Dead Body of Salim Shahzad found: Breaking NEWS by ARY

Who do you think killed journalist Saleem Shahzad?

  • Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan

    Votes: 7 13.2%
  • Al-Qaida

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • ISI

    Votes: 22 41.5%
  • CIA / Black Water

    Votes: 24 45.3%

  • Total voters
    53

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Think on this
ISI picked a person and it was not easy for them to hide him for ever? ISI picked a person some how he was killed by them and they do not forget to throw is body to be easlily found so that public can easily put finger on ISI?

Abdul, thanks for opening my eyes with 100% valid point. It is now clear that enemy has killed to implicate ISI/Navy/Army etc

thanks brother. How could it slip under my eyes. Its so clear, why would ISI make the body available? But also, it may have been a murder for a personal reason, we can only guess everything

Salam


by the way every one. I am building web site of my party and need a collection of farman-e-ilahi and ahadeeth. Please offer me some making sure its relevant to a political process. Please send it to my PM, that way I can avoid wasting time reading from ignored Indians.

Thank you all


Salam
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
The man was abducted from F6 area, one of the most secure areas of Islamabad, by the ISI who had been threatening him to back off from exposing the amount of jihadi fanaticism now inside the Armed Forces and how it caused the PNS Mehran attack.

He is abducted for telling the truth, taken away, brutally tortured, and dumped 150 km away from his house like some piece of trash!

I am utterly disgusted, ashamed, pissed off, and angry at these TRAITORS that sit and terrorise the whole of Pakistan inside their comfy offices of Aabpara!

IMRAN KHAN, IF YOU DO A DHARNA FOR SHAHZAD SALEEM'S COLD BLOODER MURDER, I SWEAR I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE THERE! But I know you wont, since the ISI is now happily helping you!!

tell me ISI picked a person and it was not easy for them to hide for ever? ISI picked a person some how he was killed by them and the do not forget to throw is body to be easlily found so that people like you can easily put finger on ISI?

Are you really that innocent to believe on this ?
 

Humble Pakistani

Councller (250+ posts)
We should be afraid, very afraid What will become of us? If we have faith and we believe then we should really be thinking What has become of this nation where no one is safe? We have Taliban killing ruthlessly and then there are drones that claim to kill the terrorists but end up killing many innocents and then we have government agencies killing innocent sometime helpless women, calling them terrorist and sometimes journalists who are standing up to write about their corruption and atrocities. Just think what will happen to us when the Lord says enough is enough! Just think!
 

moazzamniaz

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
published in BBCURDU
اس سٹوری میں انھوں نے دعوی کیا تھا کہ دہشت گردوں نے چند قیدیوں کی رہائی پر نیوی کے حکام سے جاری مذاکرات کی ناکامی

and i have also read his report

in his report Where you see بھیگی بلی بن گئے

and lets talk about the his killing
and tell me ISI picked a person and it was not easy for them to hide for ever? ISI picked a person some how he was killed by them and the do not forget to throw is body to be easlily found so that people like you can easily put finger on ISI?

Are you really that innocent to believe on this ?
Bro, just give it a light read.
Al-Qaeda had warned of Pakistan strike
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

This is the first article in a two-part report.

ISLAMABAD - Al-Qaeda carried out the brazen attack on PNS Mehran naval air station in Karachi on May 22 after talks failed between the navy and al-Qaeda over the release of naval officials arrested on suspicion of al-Qaeda links, an Asia Times Online investigation reveals.

Pakistani security forces battled for 15 hours to clear the naval base after it had been stormed by a handful of well-armed militants.

At least 10 people were killed and two United States-made P3-C Orion surveillance and anti-submarine aircraft worth US$36 million each were destroyed before some of the attackers escaped through a cordon of thousands of armed forces.

An official statement placed the number of militants at six, with four killed and two escaping. Unofficial sources, though, claim there were 10 militants with six getting free. Asia Times Online contacts confirm that the attackers were from Ilyas Kashmiri's 313 Brigade, the operational arm of al-Qaeda.

Three attacks on navy buses in which at least nine people were killed last month were warning shots for navy officials to accept al-Qaeda's demands over the detained suspects.

The May 2 killing in Pakistan of Osama bin Laden spurred al-Qaeda groups into developing a consensus for the attack in Karachi, in part as revenge for the death of their leader and also to deal a blow to Pakistan's surveillance capacity against the Indian navy.

The deeper underlying motive, though, was a reaction to massive internal crackdowns on al-Qaeda affiliates within the navy.

Volcano of militancy
Several weeks ago, naval intelligence traced an al-Qaeda cell operating inside several navy bases in Karachi, the country's largest city and key port.

"Islamic sentiments are common in the armed forces," a senior navy official told Asia Times Online on the condition of anonymity as he is not authorized to speak to the media.

"We never felt threatened by that. All armed forces around the world, whether American, British or Indian, take some inspiration from religion to motivate their cadre against the enemy. Pakistan came into existence on the two-nation theory that Hindus and Muslims are two separate nations and therefore no one can separate Islam and Islamic sentiment from the armed forces of Pakistan," the official said.

"Nonetheless, we observed an uneasy grouping on different naval bases in Karachi. While nobody can obstruct armed forces personnel for rendering religious rituals or studying Islam, the grouping [we observed] was against the discipline of the armed forces. That was the beginning of an intelligence operation in the navy to check for unscrupulous activities."

The official explained the grouping was against the leadership of the armed forces and opposed to its nexus with the United States against Islamic militancy. When some messages were intercepted hinting at attacks on visiting American officials, intelligence had good reason to take action and after careful evaluation at least 10 people - mostly from the lower cadre - were arrested in a series of operations.

"That was the beginning of huge trouble," the official said.

Those arrested were held in a naval intelligence office behind the chief minister's residence in Karachi, but before proper interrogation could begin, the in-charge of the investigation received direct threats from militants who made it clear they knew where the men were being detained.

The detainees were promptly moved to a safer location, but the threats continued. Officials involved in the case believe the militants feared interrogation would lead to the arrest of more of their loyalists in the navy. The militants therefore made it clear that if those detained were not released, naval installations would be attacked.

It was clear the militants were receiving good inside information as they always knew where the suspects were being detained, indicating sizeable al-Qaeda infiltration within the navy's ranks. A senior-level naval conference was called at which an intelligence official insisted that the matter be handled with great care, otherwise the consequences could be disastrous. Everybody present agreed, and it was decided to open a line of communication with al-Qaeda.

Abdul Samad Mansoori, a former student union activist and now part of 313 brigade, who originally hailed from Karachi but now lives in the North Waziristan tribal area was approached and talks begun. Al-Qaeda demanded the immediate release of the officials without further interrogation. This was rejected.

The detainees were allowed to speak to their families and were well treated, but officials were desperate to interrogate them fully to get an idea of the strength of al-Qaeda's penetration. The militants were told that once interrogation was completed, the men would be discharged from the service and freed.

Al-Qaeda rejected these terms and expressed its displeasure with the attacks on the navy buses in April.

These incidents pointed to more than the one al-Qaeda cell intelligence had tracked in the navy. The fear now was that if the problem was not addressed, North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) supply lines could face a new threat. NATO convoys are routinely attacked once they begin the journey from Karachi to Afghanistan; now they could be at risk in Karachi port. Americans who often visit naval facilities in the city would also be in danger.

Therefore, another crackdown was conducted and more people were arrested. Those seized had different ethnic backgrounds. One naval commando came from South Waziristan's Mehsud tribe and was believed to have received direct instructions from Hakeemullah Mehsud, the chief of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (Pakistan Taliban). Others were from Punjab province and Karachi, the capital of Sindh province.

After Bin Laden was killed by American Navy Seals in Abbottabad, 60 kilometers north of Islamabad, militants decided the time was ripe for major action.

Within a week, insiders at PNS Mehran provided maps, pictures of different exit and entry routes taken in daylight and at night, the location of hangers and details of likely reaction from external security forces.

As a result, the militants were able to enter the heavily guarded facility where one group targeted the aircraft, a second group took on the first strike force and a third finally escaped with the others providing covering fire. Those who stayed behind were killed.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/ME27Df06.html
 
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samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
for those stupids who think it was not ISI's job....................

phir
ISI valoon ko chakley pe hi mulazimat kr lenee chaheyy kionkey yahi kaam inko aata he ..............everyone knows jo dalali ka role inho ne Raymond Davis k case me play kia.....

Agar CIA /black water itna hi strong he to phir b ISI valooon ko Dalaaali ki job hi suit krtee he kionkey ore koiee kaaam ye nhi kr saktey .................na apney mulk ko bacha saktey hain na apney dushman ko pehchan saktey hain....................sirf siasi dallaaaali hi krni ateee he...............

sharam se doob marooo...........Abbottabad me kia hoa kisi ISI k dallaaaay ne btaya aaapko ,,,,,,,,ispr ne btaya aap ko ??????????

4 bandey poorey Base p 16 ghatey kaabiz raheee kuch pata chala aap ko ?????????????

itna to zardari ne zaleel nhi krvaya tha jitna inhoon ne krvaya he .......................
 

moazzamniaz

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I have
but do think on what i have said.
about his killing
No way it could be done by ISI or Army
Did i say that it was done by ISI????? I just told u that how his article showed the sheer incompetence of our intelligence agencies as well as deep penetration of Alqaeda terrorists in our military forces. Both these points portray a very bad image of our security forces. Now, who killed him, currently only God knows that. All other theories are just speculations, but most of these point towards our agencies.
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
Did i say that it was done by ISI????? I just told u that how his article showed the sheer incompetence of our intelligence agencies as well as deep penetration of Alqaeda terrorists in our military forces. Both these points portray a very bad image of our security forces. Now, who killed him, currently only God knows that. All other theories are just speculations, but most of these point towards our agencies.

No it did not point toward our agencies
Keeping the point i mention in mind

Having some supporters is not something strange.
and even as per his report
Main point is that There were arrested by Army it self and refuse to release them if it was a deep penetration or some power full element then they might have not even captured let alone not releasing them.
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
for those stupids who think it was not ISI's job....................

phir
ISI valoon ko chakley pe hi mulazimat kr lenee chaheyy kionkey yahi kaam inko aata he ..............everyone knows jo dalali ka role inho ne Raymond Davis k case me play kia.....

Agar CIA /black water itna hi strong he to phir b ISI valooon ko Dalaaali ki job hi suit krtee he kionkey ore koiee kaaam ye nhi kr saktey .................na apney mulk ko bacha saktey hain na apney dushman ko pehchan saktey hain....................sirf siasi dallaaaali hi krni ateee he...............

sharam se doob marooo...........Abbottabad me kia hoa kisi ISI k dallaaaay ne btaya aaapko ,,,,,,,,ispr ne btaya aap ko ??????????

4 bandey poorey Base p 16 ghatey kaabiz raheee kuch pata chala aap ko ?????????????

itna to zardari ne zaleel nhi krvaya tha jitna inhoon ne krvaya he .......................


tell me ISI picked a person and it was not easy for them to hide for ever? ISI picked a person some how he was killed by them and the do not forget to throw is body to be easlily found so that people like you can easily put finger on ISI?

Are you really that innocent to believe on this ?
 

moazzamniaz

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No it did not point toward our agencies
Keeping the point i mention in mind

Having some supporters is not something strange.
and even as per his report
Main point is that There were arrested by Army it self and refuse to release them if it was a deep penetration or some power full element then they might have not even captured let alone not releasing them.
1- Article clearly states that whereabouts of the prisoners were constantly known to the terrorists. Is it penetration or what???
2- Investigating intelligence agencies were threatened like they were some kammi kameen of a village. They had to acquiesce to a no of the terrorists` demands, now how many times u have seen that?????
3- No one knows that still how many terrorists and their sympathizers/apologists are hiding among the ranks of our security forces.
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
1- Article clearly states that whereabouts of the prisoners were constantly known to the terrorists. Is it penetration or what???
2- Investigating intelligence agencies were threatened like they were some kammi kameen of a village. They had to acquiesce to a no of the terrorists` demands, now how many times u have seen that?????
3- No one knows that still how many terrorists and their sympathizers/apologists are hiding among the ranks of our security forces.

Could you believe on that report that
They always knew where the suspects were being detained

and Al-Qaida done nothing to release them but keep attacking other points but not the one where they were detained?
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
They had to acquiesce to a no of the terrorists` demands, now how many times u have seen that?????
3- No one knows that still how many terrorists and their sympathizers/apologists are hiding among the ranks of our security forces.

Some points from the report
Al-Qaeda demanded the immediate release of the officials without further interrogation. This was rejected.


The militants were told that once interrogation was completed, the men would be discharged from the service and freed.

Do you think that once the interrogation get completed they would really be freed? After getting knowledge of ever point of there network Why they bother to release?

So how you can say that
They had to acquiesce to a no of the terrorists` demands,

and you said
now how many times u have seen that?????

well i have seen it many times done by US dont you remember a FAKE person making fool out of US Army who gave millions of Dollor to a fake person claiming to be high official Taliban leader?

and about your 3rd point.

That is why Army did not release any and investigate them.
 

moazzamniaz

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Could you believe on that report that
They always knew where the suspects were being detained

and Al-Qaida done nothing to release them but keep attacking other points but not the one where they were detained?

بھائی جان، دہشت گرد بھی ہماری طرح کے دماغ رکھنے والے انسان ہوتے ہیں. وہ اپنی مرضی سے ٹارگٹ پسند کرینگے، یا کہ پہلے سے بتا کر جال میں پھنسنے کیلیے آئیں گے؟؟؟؟ آپ شاید طالبان کو بہت ہی 'معصوم' سمجھ رہے ہیں

بھائی سارا مسلہ یہ کہ کہ جن کو آپ شک کا فائدہ دینا چاہتے ہیں، انہیں کسی چیز کی پرواہ ہی نہیں. چار دن ہو گئے ہیں اور کسی سرکاری ادارے کی طرف سے اس رپورٹ کے کسی ایک نقطہ کی بھی تردید نہیں آئ. کچھ غلط ہوتا تو اگلے دن ہی آ جاتی
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
بھائی جان، دہشت گرد بھی ہماری طرح کے دماغ رکھنے والے انسان ہوتے ہیں. وہ اپنی مرضی سے ٹارگٹ پسند کرینگے، یا کہ پہلے سے بتا کر جال میں پھنسنے کیلیے آئیں گے؟؟؟؟ آپ شاید طالبان کو بہت ہی 'معصوم' سمجھ رہے ہیں

بھائی سارا مسلہ یہ کہ کہ جن کو آپ شک کا فائدہ دینا چاہتے ہیں، انہیں کسی چیز کی پرواہ ہی نہیں. چار دن ہو گئے ہیں اور کسی سرکاری ادارے کی طرف سے اس رپورٹ کے کسی ایک نقطہ کی بھی تردید نہیں آئ. کچھ غلط ہوتا تو اگلے دن ہی آ جاتی

اگلے*دن*تردید*آجاتی*اور*آپ*فورا*مان*جاتے*کے*وہ*صیح*کہہ*رہے*ہیں

:)

what was the purpose of those attacks?

and are you agreed that your point that Army accept what ever They Demanded was not correct
 
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Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
اگلے*دن*تردید*آجاتی*اور*آپ*فورا*مان*جاتے*کے*وہ*سہی*کہہ*رہے*ہیں

:)

what was the purpose of those attacks?

and are you agreed that your point that Army accept what ever They Demanded was not correct

Ya * kaha sy agaye :(
 

moazzamniaz

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اگلے*دن*تردید*آجاتی*اور*آپ*فورا*مان*جاتے*کے*وہ*سہی*کہہ*رہے*ہیں

:)

what was the purpose of those attacks?

and are you agreed that your point that Army accept what ever They Demanded was not correct

میں ساری رات بیٹھ کران معصوم سوالوں کے جوابات دے سکتا ہوں، مگر فائدہ کچھ نہیں:). اگر حکومت تردید شائع کرتی ہے تو پھر رائٹر کی کریڈیبلٹی داؤ پر لگتی ہے. اسی لیے سلیم شہزاد نے آرٹیکل میں القاعدہ کے مذاکرات کار منصوری اور پکڑے جانے والے محسود کمانڈو کا نام بھی دیا ہے. اور ابھی یہ صرف آدھی رپورٹ ہے. یعنی کہ پھر سلیم شہزاد مزید ثبوت اور ریفرنسز وغیرہ دیتا

اور آپکا دوسرا نقطہ: انہی فوجی ایجنسیوں نے چار چار سال بعد لوگوں کو چھوڑا ہے، کتنوں کو لواحقین سے فون پر بات کروائی ہے، یا ان سے "اچھا" سلوک کیا ہے ؟؟؟؟ انہوں نے تو ان چار ماہ میں ان کے چند حامی فوجی گرفتار کیے اور وہ بسوں پر حملے اور مہران بیس پر حملے میں دو درجن کے قریب شہری اور فوجی مار گئے. یعنی کہ جب کچھ مطالبات نہیں مانے تو پھر انہوں نے کیسا 'مہران- کھڑاک' ڈالا. اس دوران ایجنسی والے ڈر کے مارے یا تو سیف ہاوسز بدلتے رہے، اور یا جی ایچ کیو پر حملے کی مانند دہشتگردوں کی دھمکیوں سے ڈر کر مذاکرات کرنے کیلیے ثالث ڈھونڈتے رہے
 
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samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
میں ساری رات بیٹھ کران معصوم سوالوں کے جوابات دے سکتا ہوں، مگر فائدہ کچھ نہیں:). اگر حکومت تردید شائع کرتی ہے تو پھر رائٹر کی کریڈیبلٹی داؤ پر لگتی ہے. اسی لیے سلیم شہزاد نے آرٹیکل میں القاعدہ کے مذاکرات کار منصوری اور پکڑے جانے والے محسود کمانڈو کا نام بھی دیا ہے. اور ابھی یہ صرف آدھی رپورٹ ہے. یعنی کہ پھر سلیم شہزاد مزید ثبوت اور ریفرنسز وغیرہ دیتا

اور آپکا دوسرا نقطہ: انہی فوجی ایجنسیوں نے چار چار سال بعد لوگوں کو چھوڑا ہے، کتنوں کو لواحقین سے فون پر بات کروائی ہے، یا ان سے "اچھا" سلوک کیا ہے ؟؟؟؟ انہوں نے تو ان چار ماہ میں ان کے چند حامی فوجی گرفتار کیے اور وہ بسوں پر حملے اور مہران بیس پر حملے میں دو درجن کے قریب شہری اور فوجی مار گئے. یعنی کہ جب کچھ مطالبات نہیں مانے تو پھر انہوں نے کیسا 'مہران- کھڑاک' ڈالا. اس دوران ایجنسی والے ڈر کے مارے یا تو سیف ہاوسز بدلتے رہے، اور یا جی ایچ کیو پر حملے کی مانند دہشتگردوں کی دھمکیوں سے ڈر کر مذاکرات کرنے کیلیے ثالث ڈھونڈتے رہے

kia fauji k agey been baja rahee hain...............ye brainless creatures hain inki inhee zalimana ore jahilana karvaion ne pakistan ko aaaj is more pe la khara kia he..............
 

sam123

Banned
tell me ISI picked a person and it was not easy for them to hide for ever? ISI picked a person some how he was killed by them and the do not forget to throw is body to be easlily found so that people like you can easily put finger on ISI?

Are you really that innocent to believe on this ?

After being murdered His body was thrown in river or canal............It could have gone into indus river and arabian sea...but some fisherman noticed it and informed police..