You were the one who asked me to give you proof of Imran's racism. Truth is bitter.
Yes, but you did not give any proof. Instead you gave proof of your own city centric beliefs.
Truth is bitter, but falsehood is
poison.
Go read Miandad's book man
Go see his career. Why should we believe his take on matters more than anyone else?
You have not provided any solid proof. One story is that Imran declared the innings when Maindad was near a record. This is pathetic. Players don't play for records but for the team. If the team won that match, Imran did nothing wrong!
I dont really see any point of that since you wont know cricketers back then.
Come give me evidence and I will look into it. I actually know a case of one Karachi player who is still b!tching about Imran Khan to this day. Ali Aryan posted his video. Are you referring to him? His case didn't appeal to me at all.
Hehe... Amusing you think world is all happy and nice and there is no racism in Pakistan. If you look at teams from Karachi they are multi ethnic, my apologies if my arguments took an ethnic colour.
There may be racism in Pakistan. Show me where Imran practiced it. You haven't till now.
If you want to consider his xenophobia as a joke, well its up to you. Babar Ghauri should never have said what he did but to see Imran respond the way he did was shocking.
I would say it was bad taste on Imran's part. But to say that Imran is racist against dark skinned Pakistanis, when many of his relatives are also dark skinned, that is too far fetched.
Im not defending Babar Ghauri here but your insistence on defending Imran shows the extent of your xenophobia as well
Haha. Absolutely baseless. You are misunderstanding me.
NO Karachiites and MQM are not synonymous though many disagree with that in Karachi. The saying goes 'if they dont care about us, why should we listen to them?'. People in Karachi have a lot of grievances on the way they have been treated by the state since the infamous quota system. I could go on and on. When etnicity is the thought grinded into you from day one. You need to look at what the establishment has done to Karachi before you start judging.
Yes I agree, but you need to move on. Doing politics on the basis of those grievances will do no good. This is what MQM is doing. I give you an idea - support PTI Karachi. This is one party that is above the traditional ills of Pakistan and also free of violence or ethnic stigmas.
Till now you had an excuse to support a regional party like MQM - all the other parties were corrupt or extremist. But now you have PTI.
Well that makes two of us. My opinions on PTI and its supporters were shaped by coming on this forum. When one PTI member put forward the idea that all Urdu speaking be rounded up and put in concentration camps was when i joined this forum, december 2010. That was not the only time that racism has occurred from PTI memebers, it still continues. I was never a hardcore supporter of MQM before i started reading this forum.
So you are reacting. But PTI supporter can be anyone. We can't put restrictions on anyone claiming to be a PTI supporter. PTI is a relatively new party. Those who have joined it may have baggage from past political affiliation. PTI should not be blamed for it.
There is a strong opinion about MQM after May 12 and their tussle with IK, but to abuse Muhajir is totally idiotic and uncalled for. I never did that and really don't see any sane person doing it.
We could both accuse each other of racism all day or I should say week long or we could have some constructive discussion
No MQM is a party that raises its voice on all grievances whether they be ethnic or any other. However they have moved on from ethnic politics and should be commended for that
It is very difficult to "move on" from ethnic politics. Stigmas don't leave you. It's like "You can take him out of the jungle, but can't take the jungle out of him".
May advice is that we should all look for boarder solutions, not regional ones.
Ah well you are right about SKMH, though I have never been there I have heard great stories.
See in Karachi, if you have a problem that cant be solved, not all of us have contacts in high places, you go to MQM and your work gets done
That is good, and this part of MQM is commendable. However, what about the violence part? The ethnic one?
That's why I am saying, if you can find a party in which you can have similar access to local leadership, but without the ethnic and violence stigmas attached, it would be better.
I dont care about that, never have. My reason for supporting MQM is its stance on different issues NOT ethnicity.
Issue related to what? The country, or simply Karachi?
If you mean country, national issues, then what about MQM's alliance with every government in power?
Well it exists my friend. Maybe you dont see it but it does. We had to live through it in the 90s, I was young then but I remember. It wasnt just against MQM then.
I am talking about my own region. Maybe you are right about Karachi.
Thankfully, Allah ka shukar hai, things are much better now, everyone gets on well, feelings arent so high as they were once before. Hopefully things will improve, it takes time to heal wounds
One thing is very important - politics of violence should be abandoned. You can even be an ethnic party, but don't pick up arms.
What would you say about Patterson observation? MQM's ten thousand strong militant squad?
