Humble Pakistani

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Wife of man killed by American attempts suicide

ہاے میرے الله ، کس کو کہوں ، ہمارے سر پر ہمارے قاتلوں کو کیوں بٹھایا

YOU VOTED FOR THEM and If you have another election in the next 10 days you will vote for them again and bring them back into the parliment. this is the SAD reality. You get what you deserve.
 

KhanHaripur

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Raymond Davis Is Linked To Terrorism In Pakistan

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Raymond Davis Is Linked To Terrorism In Pakistan
  • Victims shot in the back repeatedly
  • Interior Ministry has become hub for foreign agents, foreign contractors, India, and Israel
  • Interior Ministry at odds with the Pakistani military
  • Davis used a submachine gun to kill his two victims
  • A 4-man armed security team was dispatched to rescue Davis
  • US secret contractors were on a mission in old part of Lahore
The Americans, mis-identified by the US Embassy as diplomats are believed involved in covert or black ops operations inside Pakistan, reportedly against the government of Pakistan, Americas primary ally in the region.

GORDON DUFF And RAJA MUJTABA | Monday | 7 February 2011 | Veterans Today

Protests throughout the city of Lahore, university students, various political parties, demanded stiff punishment for a group of Americans, one identified initially as Raymond Allen Davis, now identity unknown, held on a variety of charges including 2 counts of murder along with four American security contractors currently being sought after fleeing the scene of a vehicular homicide in a related incident.
Davis is accused of two counts of murder and terrorism related charges. The other four, named to police but withheld from the media, are being sought for questioning in relation to a vehicular homicide while moving in traffic to assist Davis. The four, though described by Davis and the American press to be diplomats are believed to be security contractors who entered Pakistan illegally under assumed identities.
The four not yet in custody, believed to be Americans, fled the scene after killing Ibadur Rehman, a local merchant, during a bizarre incident. The Americans, mis-identified by the US Embassy as diplomats are believed involved in covert or black ops operations inside Pakistan, reportedly against the government of Pakistan, Americas primary ally in the region.
The victim of the vehicle homicide, Rehman, a bicyclist traveling on Jail Road in Lahore, was struck and killed by a four wheel drive vehicle that was part of what Davis describes as a mission in his statement to police.
According to the statement, the two vehicles, the Honda rental with cloned plates driven by Davis and the chase vehicle, a 4 wheel drive vehicle not registered to the American consulate, containing a 4-man armed security team, were heading toward the Mozang Chungi district.
Mozang Chungi is a densely populated area of small shops and street vendors typically only used by local residents. Security sources in Pakistan state:
No American tourist or diplomat would ever go there, certainly not two car loads of heavily armed private contractors equipped for a mission of some kind. The only possible reason to be there would be terrorism. The area has been attacked before by terrorists, taking advantage of the crowds and confusion. We suspect we may have stumbled on the source of previous terror attacks and, in fact, broken up what may have become another Mumbai.
This is a classic terrorist cover, false identity, phony license plates, car filled with weapons, radios and surveillance gear.
INTERNAL POLITICAL ISSUES
Pakistan is, itself, governed by contradictions and what most believe to be an ineffective and corrupt civil government led by President Zardari, tied to money laundering in Switzerland, and an Interior Ministry seen as at odds with the powerful military. Pakistan is a nation of huge economic disparity with extreme wealth held by a few and extreme poverty for the majority, especially tribal minorities that make up a significant portion of Pakistans population.
Many Pakistanis long for a return to military government, citing failures by the current President, husband of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, who was assassinated in 2007.
Accusations tying Pakistans Interior Ministry to foreign elements, US, India and Israel, intelligence agencies and private contractors, accusations alleging complicity in terrorism and money laundering tied to the massive drug trade in neighboring Afghanistan are commonplace.
REAL EVENTS UNCLEAR
Davis, in his statement to police, stated he fired in self defense. Weapons were said to be found alongside the bodies of the slain although counter-claims of weapons being planted fill the airwaves.
Autopsy results, as reported, indicate that both were shot in the back with special fragmenting anti-personnel ammunition, one receiving four hits to the back and the other three.
Witnesses report that two young Pakistanis were fired on by the American from inside his vehicle with a fully automatic submachinegun, firing through the glass.
Damage to the vehicle, a white Honda Civic, show shots to have been fired through both the passenger window and rear windscreen.
Media in Pakistan has given extensive coverage to the families of the slain, interviewing them and neighbors who indicate the slain had no criminal or extremist history and were respected in the community. In statements to the media, family members have demanded a public hanging for those involved, no blood money will be accepted. Islamic or Sharia law allows for cash settlements or blood money to be paid to family members of homicide victims in lieu of capital punishment or imprisonment.
DIPLOMATIC STATUS DENIED BY PAKISTAN
The man, held by Pakistan in the killing of two young men during a traffic altercation, is not Raymond Allen Davis. In fact, nobody seems to know who he is, including the US embassy in Islamabad.
Davis, and his four companions who have yet to be apprehended, according to police sources, entered Pakistan illegally, using assumed identities.
However, stories in the press in Pakistan and general belief by the man in the street say that the man being held is believed to be an American security contractor active in coordinating terror attacks inside Pakistan, working with Indian intelligence, the RAW.
The area of the city Davis and his four companions were driving to has been the repeated scene of terror attacks in this city of 7 million nestled on the Indian border, hundreds of miles from Taliban strongholds. Sources in Pakistan state that it simply isnt credible that an American would be in the densely populated and poorest region of Lahore, especially an American with a false identity and rental car with license plates cloned from another vehicle 300 miles away.
DAVIS UNDER SEMI-HOUSE ARREST WITHDRAWN
Authorities in Lahore, Pakistan were allowing Davis to spend his nights at the American consulate and his days at a local police station. But now due to mounting pressures this arrangement has been cancelled. The United States government continues to demand the release of Davis though it has also refused to identify him or his associates or state their actual mission in Pakistan.
Davis is believed to be a native of Las Vegas, 36 years old with a military background in Special Forces. An internet search shows him to operate under a one man Florida based security company but there is, of yet, no known relationship between this entity and any State Department overseas mission.
A check of passport records show that Davis has traveled between Pakistan and Afghanistan 9 times during the past 18 months.
 

drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Maps, spying equipment recovered from Davis possession

read the last paragraph of column below

reymond davis is not the first american cia agent doing his activities in pakistan under protection of pakistani agencies
last year mujahideen in tribal area attacked many americans dressed as pakistanis who were going under protection of pakistani security forces,after this attack when americans got killed than this secret came out in open that many many american agents and army guys are working side by side with pakistani security forces and agencies

read column below carefully
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when a muslim nation,s security forces join kufars in their wars than we must wait for allahs big punishment.early signs of this punishment are clear,and believe me that things will get much worse if we dont return to islam.
specially our nations majority worships its army more than they worship allah,so in pakistan islam can be criticised,allahs laws can be mocked at, but you dare to type a word exposing your generals anti islam activities than people label you "terrorist".
people here conveniently forget the fact that musharaf was just a part of machinery that handed over dr aafia to usa,musharaf could not have dared to hand over dr aafia if present pakistani generals had refused.even musharafs capture of pakistani rule was due to pressure of those senior army guys who are still heading our army.musharaf could never have done it alone.
but as musharaf is no longer army chief ,so authority worshipping and weak iman pakistanis criticise him only,but they worship kyani and other generals who are even more loyal to americans than musharaf ever was.

these idiots dont know that its sincere truths like these that can save pakistan.but in pakistan no one speaks truth thats why we never get a revolution like brave arabs have achieved.
 
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drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Raymond Davis Case: Faheems widow commits suicide

it is being reported that fahims widow took her own life after police and agencies threatened her and fahim family to forgive reymond davis or their whole family may be harmed.this news even came in nawaiwaqt of today.
so
this is our pakistan.

where if people like me write truth they are labelled terrorists.haha!
what a country!no sense of honour,we live like slaves of kufar ,or if there is anything less than a slave .
i hope allah sends his punishment soon so atleast some better people inherit this land as this nation has failed miserably in the chance given to them by allah 60 years ago .no other nation in world has such slave mentality,and in no other nation in world truth is so hard to speak in society.
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Maps, spying equipment recovered from Davis possession

If he did what he did in self defence then it can be proved easily in the court and that should be respected by the most democratic peopel of all.
A trial should be held and justice done.
 

mrcritic

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Maps, spying equipment recovered from Davis possession

people on this forum who are in pakistan - please start RALLYING/PROTESTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Any sisast.pk member can lead this.
 

zawaar

New Member
Re: Raymond Davis has links in South Waziristan

i have mentioned earlier that taliban and black water are two faces of the same coin. they are plan A and plan B of the same mission i.e. destruction of pakistan either by this way or that way. both are funded by enemies and unfortunately a large number of pakistanis are getting confused who is real enemy. the advocates of taliban in our politics and journalism always show soft corner for taliban. whereas the crimes of taliban are so horrible and barbaric. the JI, PTI, hameed gul and media gurus with rightist inclinations, will have to wake up now. they have to stop supporting taliban now.
as i am in media, i know people from waziristan and swat, who said they were blackmailed by taliban in the name of islam and religion. the JI and fazlu are supporting them as taliban are of the same maslik as they are. Saudi arabia and some other arab countries are also backing up taliban to desablize pakistan. saleem safi rightly said "pakistan ek tandoor ban gaya hae jis main her koi a ke apni apni rotian bana raha hae"
 

simple_and_peacefull

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Raymond Davis has links in South Waziristan

i have mentioned earlier that taliban and black water are two faces of the same coin. they are plan A and plan B of the same mission i.e. destruction of pakistan either by this way or that way. both are funded by enemies and unfortunately a large number of pakistanis are getting confused who is real enemy. the advocates of taliban in our politics and journalism always show soft corner for taliban. whereas the crimes of taliban are so horrible and barbaric. the JI, PTI, hameed gul and media gurus with rightist inclinations, will have to wake up now. they have to stop supporting taliban now.
as i am in media, i know people from waziristan and swat, who said they were blackmailed by taliban in the name of islam and religion. the JI and fazlu are supporting them as taliban are of the same maslik as they are. Saudi arabia and some other arab countries are also backing up taliban to desablize pakistan. saleem safi rightly said "pakistan ek tandoor ban gaya hae jis main her koi a ke apni apni rotian bana raha hae"

dear zawaar,

there is diffrence between afghan talban and TTP. Imran ,JI and Gulhameed fevouring Afghan Taliban not TTP. TTp is slave of US & India and other masters. if Afghan Taliban this in Pakistan then they would done long time back when they 90% over of Afghan. TTP are bunch of Idoits run for money only.
 

zeshaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Raymon Davis has links in South Waziristan: Investigation report


GIlANI, HAQANI,And ZARD ARI+BHUTTO FAMILY,ALL BIKAOO SISATDAN,REHMAN MALIK,BABAR AWAN,FAROOQ NAIK,And all other cabnet membre are Guilty for present situation of Pakistan All should be braught in public court for the trial cause they are all traitors.
 

FlyHigh

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Raymond Davis has links in South Waziristan

They should insert a pole in his backside and he will start talking and remembering everything. This American killer of three innocent Pakistanis is not a diplomat but looks like a criminal on the loose sent to Pakistan to work underground and instigate terrorism and violence.

It appears that he was on a terror mission in Pakistan and paid to kill Pakistanis. He probably has a bigger secret and extensive net work of local and foreign terrorists that needs to be found when a pole is inserted in his backside. This criminal must not be given a diplomatic immunity and tried by a Pakistani court and hanged for killing three innocent people.

Right on the money Saladin, it is about time we started taking these actions
 

sayeenwada

Councller (250+ posts)
The Deepening Mystery of Raymond Davis and Two Slain Pakistani Motorcyclists 09 Feb, 2011 | Author: oolaah | No Comments B

The Deepening Mystery of Raymond Davis and Two Slain Pakistani Motorcyclists


By DAVE LINDORFF The mystery of American Raymond A. Davis, currently imprisoned in the custody of local police in Lahore, Pakistan and charged with the Jan. 27 murder of two young men, whom he allegedly shot eight times with pinpoint accuracy through his car windshield, is growing increasingly murky. Also growing is the anger among

www.oolaah.com
 

Night_Hawk

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: The Deepening Mystery of Raymond Davis and Two Slain Pakistani Motorcyclists 09 Feb, 2011 | Author: oolaah | No Comments

The Deepening Mystery of Raymond Davis and Two Slain Pakistani Motorcyclists
Written by oolaah on 09 February 2011

By DAVE LINDORFF

The mystery of American Raymond A. Davis, currently imprisoned in the custody of local police in Lahore, Pakistan and charged with the Jan. 27 murder of two young men, whom he allegedly shot eight times with pinpoint accuracy through his car windshield, is growing increasingly murky. Also growing is the anger among Pakistanis that the US is trying to spring him from a Punjab jail by claiming diplomatic immunity. On Feb. 4, there were massive demonstrations, especially in Lahore, demanding that Davis be held for trial, an indication of the level of public anger at talk of granting him immunity.

Davis (whose identity was first denied and later confirmed by the US Embassy in Islamabad), and the embassy have claimed that he was hired as an employee of a US security company called Hyperion Protective Consultants, LLC, which was said to be located at 5100 North Lane in Orlando, Florida. Business cards for Hyperion were found on Davis by arresting officers.

However CounterPunch has investigated and discovered the following information:

First, there is not and never has been any such company located at the 5100 North Lane address. It is only an empty storefront, with empty shelves along one wall and an empty counter on the opposite wall, with just a lone used Coke cup sitting on it. A leasing agency sign is on the window. A receptionist at the IB Green & Associates rental agency located in Leesburg, Florida, said that her agency, which handles the property, part of a desolate-looking strip mall of mostly empty storefronts, has never leased to a Hyperion Protective Consultants. She added, “In fact, until recently, we had for several years occupied that address ourselves.”

The Florida Secretary of State’s office, meanwhile, which requires all Florida companies, including LLSs (limited liability partnerships), to register, has no record, current or lapsed, of a Hyperion Protective Consultants, LLC, and there is only one company with the name Hyperion registered at all in the state. It is Hyperion Communications, a company based in W. Palm Beach, that has no connection with Davis or with security-related activities.

The non-existent Hyperion Protective Consultants does have a website (www.hyperion-protective.com), but one of the phone numbers listed doesn’t work, an 800 number produces a recorded answer offering information about how to deal with or fend off bank foreclosures, and a third number with an Orlando exchange goes to a recording giving Hyperion’s corporate name and asking the caller to leave a message. Efforts to contact anyone on that line were unsuccessful. The local phone company says there is no public listing for Hyperion Protective Consultants–a rather unusual situation for a legitimate business operation.

Pakistani journalists have been speculating that Davis is either a CIA agent or is working as a contractor for some private mercenary firm–possibly Xe, the reincarnation of Blackwater. They are not alone in their suspicions. Jeff Stein, writing in the Washington Post on January 27, suggested after interviewing Fred Burton, a veteran of the State Department’s counter-terrorism Security Service, that Davis may have been involved in intelligence activity, either as a CIA employee under embassy cover or as a contract worker at the time of the shootings. Burton, who currently works with Stratfor, an Austin, TX-based “global intelligence” firm, even speculates that the shootings may have been a “spy meeting gone awry,” and not, as US Embassy and State Department officials are claiming, a case of an attempted robbery or car-jacking.

Even the information about what actually transpired is sketchy at this point. American media reports have Davis driving in Mozang, a busy commercial section of Lahore, and being approached by two threatening men on motorcycles. The US says he fired in self-defense, through his windshield with his Beretta pistol, remarkably hitting both men four times and killing both. He then exited his car and photographed both victims with his cell phone, before being arrested by local Lahore police. Davis, 36, reportedly a former Special Forces officer, was promptly jailed on two counts of murder, and despite protests by the US Embassy and the State Department that he is a “consular official” responsible for “security,” he continues to be held pending trial.

What has not been reported in the US media, but which reporter Shaukat Qadir of the Pakistani Express Tribune, says has been stated by Lahore police authorities, is that the two dead motorcyclists were each shot two times, “probably the fatal shots,” in the back by Davis. They were also both shot twice from the front. Such ballistics don’t mesh nicely with a protestation of self-defense.

Also left unmentioned in the US media is what else was found in Davis’ possession. Lahore police say that in addition to the Beretta he was still holding, and three cell phones retrieved from his pockets, they found a loaded Glock pistol in his car, along with three full magazines, and a “small telescope.” Again, heavy arms for a consular security officer not even in the act of guarding any embassy personnel, and what’s with the telescope? Also unmentioned in US accounts: his car was not an embassy vehicle, but was a local rental car.

American news reports say that a “consular vehicle” sped to Davis’ aid after the shooting incident and killed another motorcyclist enroute, before speeding away. The driver of that car is being sought by Lahore prosecutors but has not been identified or produced by US Embassy officials. According to Lahore police, however, the car in question, rather than coming to Davis’s aid, actually had been accompanying Davis’s sedan, and when the shooting happened, it “sped away,” killing the third motorcyclist as it raced off. Again a substantially different story that raises more questions about what this drive into the Mozang district was all about.

Davis has so far not said why he was driving, heavily armed, without anyone else in his vehicle, in a private rental car in a business section of Lahore where foreign embassy staff would not normally be seen. He is reportedly remaining silent and is leaving all statements to the US Embassy.

The US claim that Davis has diplomatic immunity hinges first and foremost on whether he is actually a “functionary” of the consulate. According to Lahore police investigators, he was arrested carrying a regular US passport, which had a business visa, not a diplomatic visa. The US reportedly only later supplied a diplomatic passport carrying a diplomatic visa that had been obtained not in the US before his departure, but in Islamabad, the country’s capital.

(Note: It is not unusual, though it is not publicly advertised, for the US State Department to issue duplicate passports to certain Americans. When I was working for Business Week magazine in Hong Kong in the early 1990s, and was dispatched often into China on reporting assignments, my bureau chief advised me that I could take a letter signed by her to the US Consulate in Hong Kong and request a second passport. One would be used exclusively to enter China posing as a tourist. The other would be used for going in officially as a journalist. The reason for this subterfuge, which was supported by the State Department, was that once Chinese visa officials have spotted a Chinese “journalist” visa stamped in a passport, they would never again allow that person to enter the country without first obtaining such a visa. The problem is that a journalist visa places strict limits on a reporter’s independent travel and access to sources. As a tourist, however, the same reporter could – illegally — travel freely and report without being accompanied by meddling foreign affairs office “handlers.”)

Considerable US pressure is currently being brought to bear on the Pakistani national government to hand over Davis to the US, and the country’s Interior Minister yesterday issued a statement accepting that Davis was a consular official as claimed by the US. But Punjab state authorities are not cooperating, and so far the national government is saying it is up to local authorities and the courts to decide whether his alleged crime of murder would, even if he is a legitimate consular employee, override a claim of diplomatic immunity.

Under Pakistani law, only actual consular functionaries, not service workers at embassy and consulate, have diplomatic status. Furthermore, no immunity would apply in the case of “serious” crimes–and certainly murder is as serious as it gets.

The US media have been uncritically quoting the State Department as saying that Pakistan is “violating” the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of 1963 by holding Davis in jail on murder charges. Those reporters should check the actual document.

Section II, Article 41 of the treaty, in its first paragraph regarding the “Personal inviolability of consular officers,” states:

“Consular officers shall not be liable to arrest or detention pending trial, except in the case of a grave crime and pursuant to a decision by the competent judicial authority.”

In other words, the prosecutorial, police and judicial authorities in Lahore and the state of Punjab are doing exactly what they are supposed to do in holding Davis on murder charges, pending a judicial determination concerning whether or not he can properly claim diplomatic immunity.

The US claim that Pakistan is violating the convention is simply nonsense.

There is also the matter of double standards. The US routinely violates the Vienna Diplomatic Accord that governs international diplomatic rights. For example, the same convention requires countries that arrest, jail and prosecute foreigners for crimes to promptly notify the person’s home country embassy, and to grant that embassy the right to provide legal counsel. Yet the US has arrested, charged with murder, and executed many foreign nationals without ever notifying their embassies of their legal jeopardy, and has, on a number of occasions, even gone ahead with executions after a convict’s home country has learned of the situation and requested a stay and a retrial with an embassy-provided defense attorney. The US, in 1997, also prosecuted, over the objections of the government of Georgia, a Georgian embassy diplomat charged with the murder of a 16-year-old girl.

Apparently diplomatic immunity has more to do with the relative power of the government in question and of the embassy in question than with the simple words in a treaty.

It remains to be seen whether Davis will ever actually stand trial in Pakistan. The US is pushing hard in Islamabad for his release. On the other hand, his arrest and detention, and the pressure by the US Embassy to spring him, are leading to an outpouring of rage among Pakistanis at a very volatile time, with the Middle East facing a wave of popular uprisings against US-backed autocracies, and with Pakistan itself, increasingly a powder keg, being bombed by US rocket-firing pilotless drone aircraft.

Some Pakistani publications, meanwhile, are speculating that Davis, beyond simple spying, may have been involved in subversive activities in the country, possibly linked to the wave of terror bombings that have been destabilizing the central government. They note that both of the slain motorcyclists (the third dead man appears to have been an innocent victim of the incident) were themselves armed with pistols, though neither had apparently drawn his weapon.

A State Department official, contacted by Counterpunch, refused to provide any details about the nature of Davis’ employment, or to offer an explanation for Hyperion Protective Consultants LLC’s fictitious address, and its lack of registration with the Florida Secretary of State’s office.

Davis is currently scheduled for a court date on Feb. 11 to consider the issue of whether or not he has immunity from prosecution.

Dave Lindorff, a frequent contributor to Counterpunch, is the founder of the online alternative newspaper ThisCantBeHappening! atwww.thiscantbehappening.net


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zeshaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Drone Attacks completely stopped after Raymond Davis Issue - Did you notice that?

Has anyone noticed that drone attacks have completely stopped since the Raymond

Davis affair?

There is not any news about any new drone Attack in media, are our media sleeping or avoiding any news regarding Drone Attacks.

If you are not noticed,than you are forced away from reality.

See the timeline at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan
 
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haqiqat

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Drone Attack

yes u r right cause if they Punjab government will not release devils soon you will see many suicide bombings and hear the Punjabi Taliban taking responsibility and soon you will hear USA looking to drone attacks in Punjab
 

habib22

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Drone Attack

No drones attack because all nation is ready to spark thats why they are not taking risk , drones attacks are with the orders of ppp gov, wait if nation keep stand unit we can get ride off all type of attacks now and free our Rico Dik mine also, this is little complicated watch my next video
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Drone Attack

Drone attacks are taking place not only with the Government of Pakistan's node but Army is also involved faciliating them as well.If Army doesn't want, No attacks could take place in Pakistan even if the PPP wants it.
 

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