An Open Letter to Siasat.pk Administrator

[Waseem]

Strange that None of the ADMINS have replied to this post.

@next2saint , bro I'm with you on this. It's not about "hating" indians in general, this is totally about Pakistani Politics, but they seem to poke their nose on any topic posted here. Be it Islamic, internal politics etc. They REALLY spend a lot of their TIME here(either they are paranoid w.r.t Pakistan or obviously being funded!)

Lets hope Admins make some wise decision - A suggestion, if you dont want to ban, limit them to "Indian section" of the website only.

What do we reply? we have clarified this issue number of times but every other month someone raises it again. This is an open discussion forum every one is invited if he follows the forum rules, There is only one restriction on our Indian members that they are not allowed in Islamic section and same goes for Muslim members that they will not discuss their religion. Unfortunately, we had a bad experience in past people can't discuss it and start insulting each other's religion.

[MENTION=10074]next2saint[/MENTION] reading your other thread I don't know how did you assume 99 percent of oursiasat.pk members are Indians, buddy there are only few Indians who can be counted on fingers, I know some of them come here for trolling not for serious discussion and trust me we keep such people in check and many of are banned, but let be honest, such people are also on our side that do the same.

Lets be open minded, try to listen to everyone and Improve yourself and country, I believe its not the praise but its criticism that helps you make yourself better, and believe me its nothing if you compare it with the that what people say or write on international forums and website now will you also demand ban on these sites in Pakistan?

At the end a request to all members, we can't be good neighbors let be good members, our differences will remain there but we can do constructive discussion and learn from each other instead of ridiculing and insulting each other. Or at least we can have fun together in non political topics. :)

 

[garry317]

What do we reply? we have clarified this issue number of times but every other month someone raises it again. This is an open discussion forum every one is invited if he follows the forum rules, There is only one restriction on our Indian members that they are not allowed in Islamic section and same goes for Muslim members that they will not discuss their religion. Unfortunately, we had a bad experience in past people can't discuss it and start insulting each other's religion.

@next2saint reading your other thread I don't know how did you assume 99 percent of oursiasat.pk members are Indians, buddy there are only few Indians who can be counted on fingers, I know some of them come here for trolling not for serious discussion and trust me we keep such people in check and many of are banned, but let be honest, such people are also on our side that do the same.

Lets be open minded, try to listen to everyone and Improve yourself and country, I believe its not the praise but its criticism that helps you make yourself better, and believe me its nothing if you compare it with the that what people say or write on international forums and website now will you also demand ban on these sites in Pakistan?

At the end a request to all members, we can't be good neighbors let be good members, our differences will remain there but we can do constructive discussion and learn from each other instead of ridiculing and insulting each other. Or at least we can have fun together in non political topics. :)

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[crankthskunk]

I have absolutely no problems with Indian taking part on Pakistani forums, provided they provide reciprocal courtesy to Pakistanis and if they do not have agendas.

From my personal experience I know that Indian websites and forums do not allow Pakistanis to comment. From their major newspapers to forums they never publish my comments. Forget about political or defence related sites. They even blocked my comments on espncricinfo.com website, which is now totally controlled by the Indians, like they are controlling ICC.

Their control is so vicious on ICC that even people like Michael Holding is totally against what Indians are doing to world Cricket. He openly criticise them now, so does Sir. Ian Botham and Nasir Hussein.

I say, based on this principle Indian should not be allowed to discuss and participate in Pakistani matters. They have their own section let them stick to it. I never ever get temptations to comment on Indian politics or internal affairs. So why do they? Where they get free time to waste on issues, which are not really related to them? Unless they have other ulterior motives. This is the crux of it, because they are found everywhere, on defence.pk, on chowk, wherever you go.

So what is with them, which compels them to comment on Pakistani issues, when these issues have nothing to do with them? I hope everyone understand what I am writing, thanks.

 

[next2saint]

What do we reply? we have clarified this issue number of times but every other month someone raises it again. This is an open discussion forum every one is invited if he follows the forum rules, There is only one restriction on our Indian members that they are not allowed in Islamic section and same goes for Muslim members that they will not discuss their religion. Unfortunately, we had a bad experience in past people can't discuss it and start insulting each other's religion.

@next2saint reading your other thread I don't know how did you assume 99 percent of oursiasat.pk members are Indians, buddy there are only few Indians who can be counted on fingers, I know some of them come here for trolling not for serious discussion and trust me we keep such people in check and many of are banned, but let be honest, such people are also on our side that do the same.

Lets be open minded, try to listen to everyone and Improve yourself and country, I believe its not the praise but its criticism that helps you make yourself better, and believe me its nothing if you compare it with the that what people say or write on international forums and website now will you also demand ban on these sites in Pakistan?

At the end a request to all members, we can't be good neighbors let be good members, our differences will remain there but we can do constructive discussion and learn from each other instead of ridiculing and insulting each other. Or at least we can have fun together in non political topics. :)

Dear Administrator,

Thankyou for your reply, however, i still have few points to discuss:

1) if someone makes a joke about your site, you take a prompt action (open mindedness is not shown), however, if a foreigner makes a joke abt any political party, religious matter or social affair, it should be considered as "open mindedness". Why?

2) there is a clear difference in my book regarding 'criticism' and 'making fun of'. A Pakistani can be critic of another Pakistani, but how can be a foreigner be critic of Pakistani? How could a comment by foreigner about our domestic problems/ religion be called healthy cricticsm? especially when it always create nuisence instead of healthy debate.

3) I need to know your defination of 'good'neighbor, for me if my neighbor's house is on fire, i will be the first one to extingish that fire, not adding more fuel to it.. otherwise next house that will catch fire would be mine.

4) I think you do consider our current goverment as an example of 'open-mindedness', as everyother country is thinking on behalf of Pakistan except the Pakistani leadership, i guess they r learning from each other and improving themselves.

Best regards,

next2saint

 

[garry317]

[MENTION=10074]next2saint[/MENTION]..

ur condition is like this,be liberal and enjoy.

 

[next2saint]

@next2saint ..

ur condition is like this,be liberal and enjoy.

this shows i care for my country, my question to you.. how do u care for your country when u r on siasat.pk 24/7..??

 

[garry317]

this shows i care for my country, my question to you.. how do u care for your country when u r on siasat.pk 24/7..??

i do care u ppl with my country too..[hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]

 

[baaghi01]

young fella

They are hired hand of the Indian RAW. I have already proven it before. They are here to inject their venom against our ISI, Army, the sole purpose. Otherwise why would any body think they can spend time here. They are actually paid or volunteer of the Indian spy agency.

Please note that we consider siasat as patriotic gossip house but for the owners it's a profitable business and nothing to do with patriotism. India being the largest country after China, provides good source of revenue for the owners.

each city in each country where people can login to Siasat, has its own advertising slot on the siasat that generates revenue for them. For example, the Ad you see on your monitor on top is different in every city/country. I see Ad on my monitor from telus phone company ' stronger rishtey....' do you see something else?

next2saints: Soon after joined siasat in Dec 2009, i requested that Indians be banned due to their trash against our country and obviously they are still here.

So good luck

Hmm thats right. I'm still waiting for a solid reason from the indian side.

 

[next2saint]

i do care u ppl with my country too..[hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]

Teacher: whats the purpose of your life?
Garry317: one and only... to live and die for siasat.pk...

 

[crankthskunk]

@next2saint ..

ur condition is like this,be liberal and enjoy.

#

And you and when I say you I mean Indians are liberals, right!

I ask you where is your liberalism, when Pakistanis comments on your websites? Why you do not publish their comments. I can speak for myself, I only comment on something relating to Pakistan on Indian sites, not on Indian internal matters. But my comments never published. From participation on this website, you may have notice, I don't use foul language or swearing words. Straight and up to the point yes, cutting edge comments yes, but not foul.

So why Indians don't publish my comments? Where is your liberalism then? Why you don't enjoy Pakistanis comments on your forums and websites?

 

[garry317]

Teacher: whats the purpose of your life?
Garry317: one and only... to live and die for siasat.pk...

 

[garry317]

#

And you and when I say you I mean Indians are liberals, right!

I ask you where is your liberalism, when Pakistanis comments on your websites? Why you do not publish their comments. I can speak for myself, I only comment on something relating to Pakistan on Indian sites, not on Indian internal matters. But my comments never published. From participation on this website, you may have notice, I don't use foul language or swearing words. Straight and up to the point yes, cutting edge comments yes, but not foul.

So why Indians don't publish my comments? Where is your liberalism then? Why you don't enjoy Pakistanis comments on your forums and websites?

visit..indiandefence.com..many pakistnis are there and enjoy ur stay(bigsmile)

 

[crankthskunk]

visit..indiandefence.com..many pakistnis are there and enjoy ur stay(bigsmile)

Been there done that, no joy. Indians are not tolerant.[hilar][hilar][hilar]
Oh, sorry, not liberal enough.:lol::lol:

 

[garry317]

Been there done that, no joy. Indians are not tolerant.[hilar][hilar][hilar]
Oh, sorry, not liberal enough.:lol::lol:

u said,pakistais are not invited..if invited then face them...here also pakistanis are abusing me..did i complain for it??no..u r also not tolerant even

 

[nauman]

The day you start treating this country as ur own family you will be on the road to success.. Btw, this means you do allow US, UK, India or any other country to interfere in Pakistan's affair, as per your point of view its global village afterall... :/

my country for me is more than my family.but i dont want to answer u further as u r so stupid that it is worthless to be logical with u

 

[Unicorn]

What do we reply? we have clarified this issue number of times but every other month someone raises it again. This is an open discussion forum every one is invited if he follows the forum rules, There is only one restriction on our Indian members that they are not allowed in Islamic section and same goes for Muslim members that they will not discuss their religion. Unfortunately, we had a bad experience in past people can't discuss it and start insulting each other's religion.

@next2saint reading your other thread I don't know how did you assume 99 percent of oursiasat.pk members are Indians, buddy there are only few Indians who can be counted on fingers, I know some of them come here for trolling not for serious discussion and trust me we keep such people in check and many of are banned, but let be honest, such people are also on our side that do the same.

Lets be open minded, try to listen to everyone and Improve yourself and country, I believe its not the praise but its criticism that helps you make yourself better, and believe me its nothing if you compare it with the that what people say or write on international forums and website now will you also demand ban on these sites in Pakistan?

At the end a request to all members, we can't be good neighbors let be good members, our differences will remain there but we can do constructive discussion and learn from each other instead of ridiculing and insulting each other. Or at least we can have fun together in non political topics. :)

Nindak Narey Rakhia, angaan Khaat Bichey,
keep a critic in your hose, Have a comfortable bed for him,

Sabun aur paani bin nermal karay suhay,
He can keep you clean without soap and water.

 

[crankthskunk]

u said,pakistais are not invited..if invited then face them...here also pakistanis are abusing me..did i complain for it??no..u r also not tolerant even

There is a difference, you don't have power here, otherwise the story would have been different. Pakistanis are actually liberal that they tolerate your comments here, but Indians are not. Forget about Indian defence I was ban for a day on Pakistani defence site just because the Indians complained. And why the complaints? Because on threads where on one the fighters were discussed and on another production of Audi cars in India. I wrote some home truth about Indian's poor and some videos on the wonderful and superior capabilities of Tejas and off course on the indigenous nature of the nuclear Submarine produced by India, putting some photographs showing clearly its origins and busting the myth of its indigenous nature. For Indians it was attack on their country so they lodged complaints. [hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]

Good isn't it? And our websites just for traffic, because they earn money from the clicks, let the Indians rule and even go against their Pakistani participants. How much liberal you want Pakistanis to be? :lol::lol:

On the contrary, like I said, I only comment on Indian website when a topic or article on Pakistan is written or discussed, but Indian never like my point of view, which is normally straight to the point. I guess Indians are neither democratic nor liberal. :)

You know why they didn't publish my comments on Cricinfo? After 2nd test defeat of India. I wrote, come on England lets go for whitewash. This was too much for Indian sensitivities, so my comments never saw the light of the day. I am English off course I have to follow my country. This is how liberal Indians are, and that was also on website which is international, supposedly, lol.

Please don't talk about your democracy and liberalism, I have tested it many many times, no joy.

 

[next2saint]

my country for me is more than my family.but i dont want to answer u further as u r so stupid that it is worthless to be logical with u

aww! dont take it to your heart..

btw, u did answer to my question :)

 

[next2saint]

What do we reply? we have clarified this issue number of times but every other month someone raises it again. This is an open discussion forum every one is invited if he follows the forum rules, There is only one restriction on our Indian members that they are not allowed in Islamic section and same goes for Muslim members that they will not discuss their religion. Unfortunately, we had a bad experience in past people can't discuss it and start insulting each other's religion.

@next2saint reading your other thread I don't know how did you assume 99 percent of oursiasat.pk members are Indians, buddy there are only few Indians who can be counted on fingers, I know some of them come here for trolling not for serious discussion and trust me we keep such people in check and many of are banned, but let be honest, such people are also on our side that do the same.

Lets be open minded, try to listen to everyone and Improve yourself and country, I believe its not the praise but its criticism that helps you make yourself better, and believe me its nothing if you compare it with the that what people say or write on international forums and website now will you also demand ban on these sites in Pakistan?

At the end a request to all members, we can't be good neighbors let be good members, our differences will remain there but we can do constructive discussion and learn from each other instead of ridiculing and insulting each other. Or at least we can have fun together in non political topics. :)

Dear Administrator,

Thankyou for your reply, however, i still have few points to discuss:

1) if someone makes a joke about your site, you take a prompt action (open mindedness is not shown), however, if a foreigner makes a joke abt any political party, religious matter or social affair, it should be considered as "open mindedness". Why?

2) there is a clear difference in my book regarding 'criticism' and 'making fun of'. A Pakistani can be critic of another Pakistani, but how can be a foreigner be critic of Pakistani? How could a comment by foreigner about our domestic problems/ religion be called healthy cricticsm? especially when it always create nuisence instead of healthy debate.

3) I need to know your defination of 'good'neighbor, for me if my neighbor's house is on fire, i will be the first one to extingish that fire, not adding more fuel to it.. otherwise next house that will catch fire would be mine.

4) I think you do consider our current goverment as an example of 'open-mindedness', as everyother country is thinking on behalf of Pakistan except the Pakistani leadership, i guess they r learning from each other and improving themselves.

Best regards,

next2saint

[MENTION=4936]Adeel[/MENTION]
[MENTION=10205]Waseem[/MENTION]


P.S (as adviced by Mod (Adeel) on thread: So many visitors on Siasat.pk but hardly any participation.. why!!!)

 

[Waseem]

[MENTION=10074]next2saint[/MENTION]

1) if someone makes a joke about your site, you take a prompt action (open mindedness is not shown), however, if a foreigner makes a joke abt any political party, religious matter or social affair, it should be considered as "open mindedness". Why?

Well can you please give an example, when did we ban or warned any member on making fun of our site. People here have labelled us (team) as biased, Indian/ Israeli agent even some of them have personally abused me, but still they are here, participating freely. And I have already clarified Indian members are not allowed to participate in topics on our religion.

there is a clear difference in my book regarding 'criticism' and 'making fun of'. A Pakistani can be critic of another Pakistani, but how can be a foreigner be critic of Pakistani? How could a comment by foreigner about our domestic problems/ religion be called healthy cricticsm? especially when it always create nuisence instead of healthy debate.

You can't get the exact idea what others think about us, reading and interacting with others always helps you. And if 'foreigners' are criticizing Pakistan then we are also criticizing them, there are several threads on their domestic issues that we have discussed here, by your definition isn't it interference in their internal matters?
And I think they participating under their national flag is much better than false flags, trust me, it will be greater nuisance than this one.

3) I need to know your defination of 'good'neighbor, for me if my neighbor's house is on fire, i will be the first one to extingish that fire, not adding more fuel to it.. otherwise next house that will catch fire would be mine.

You will extinguish his fire when you live like normal neighbors, but if you are enemies than you will let the fire destroy him without realizing that it will also burn you soon. Dear, Its hate and mistakes on BOTH SIDES that is not letting us to live like normal neighbors, both have to realize it (I don't see it happening soon) or we willremain 3rd world countries forever like that.

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