Why no Taliban in middle eastern countries

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
Bhai jab aap dusron ki jangein laro ge to yehi ho ga, jab aap ke generals buzdil aur bewakuf hon ge yehi ho ga, jab aap ki qaum soyi howi ho gei yehi ho ga


Every point you raised today is the result of Past history. U can't detach history from all recent issues.

U mentioned about Liaqat Ali Khan, then I would ask you for how much time he lived and he was not as much sincere with Pakistan. He was the one,who has thrown us in US lap and we are still suffering. And in 3 years of time being in Premeirship what did he do for country. I didn't understand why did you mentioned the names of dictators. If you don't understand the fuedeilism in Punjab , Sindh, tBaluchistan then what can I say about that? I agree upto some extend that the roots of feudalism are bit week in K Pakhtoonkhwa, but still only Zamindar and landlords win the election in KP.

They are few but very influential.

But you are overall in the state of deniel about the influence of feudilism and fuedal mentality in our country............which is alarming for me and I stop discussion. The aurguments you have given are very away from truth and or just thinkings of your mind only.
 

saliaz

MPA (400+ posts)
After the floods alot of people are very angry at the feudals, I think this is the time to capitalise and get our Pakistanis out from the clutches of these vultures. If we miss this opportunity then people tend to have very short memory and everything will be same as before.


i agree, this might be the last chance!
 

furry87

Senator (1k+ posts)
You all fail to understand what im trying to say , the feudals are not in power their pawns are... You think they are that stupid to put themselves in open public view. Please give me a list of 50 feudals that are in our institutions and we have 100's of institutions so if ur claims are true 50 should not be a problem. Please find me 50 feudals and ill concede to you all. Meaning we are the tools that these feudals use to have their way , dont become a tool end of story.

You cannot detach ur self from the blame. If i keep sleeping while my house is burning i have no right to blame the fire. Take some responsibility. Some of you talked like we siting abroad are the only privileged class of pakistan and the rest have no money , no food , no education , no shelter no brains or will power. But i have news for u my dear friends the people that stay at home in pakistan are much much richer than us and they know very well what they are doing. Please stop treating people like they helpless and incapable of thought.
 

furry87

Senator (1k+ posts)
Who and why poor people vote them I have told you that they have been kept poor and unaware. Feudals are little in number but their influence more in their Mazaraz and Haries, they have to vote them and I have mentioned our 65 % peoples live in village.
Bhai i have already clarified this point, 65 percent votes for corrupt ...to call them stupid would be insulting , they know who they vote for and why they vote. You can do ur own research on this point, to call some one stupid just because they dont have a piece of paper from a university is highly ignorant.

You mentioned all the departments but u didn't mention Parliment, which gives them absolute Power and with this power, they do decisions of their own well & wish.
I rightly did not mention the parliment because 10 feudals rule over 10 million employee who have no courage of their own ,so you tell me who is to blame. The whole army could not stand up to musharaf and other military dicktators. Akbar bugti stood up against the whole state, ZA Bhutto stood up against the whole state, Cheif justice stood up against the whole state. You obviously have very little knowledge about how out institutions like PIA and steel mills work. Zameer bikay howe hain logon ke , naukri chalay janey ke dar pe mun band rakhtay hain , aur wo bhi palimentarians se nahi apnay seniors se kiyun ke sari corruption un ki hoti hai. Bohat paisa hai is dhanday mein bhai.

Do you really don't know that there are no feudals in Army or other civillian oraganisations? They are definetly there but on key posts, they are not Sepahi in Army or Police, or line man in WAPDA etc.

Bhai aap her department mein se mujhe 10 dhoon do mein shikast kubool ker lun ga.

You know our Feudals Class don't study Science they would study Politics, Law, History, IR etc. Why they are taking these subjects?
Science nahin parhtay to wapda aur paec mein kia ker rahe hain ?? aap t keh rahey thay idaron ki top positions feudals ke paas hain ??

But I think our discussion is going in wrong direction. My points of view in above posts were that our policy makers were/ are not among us, they are the creatures of different world. In that world they dont know how poeple live just above and below poeverty line? Even they don't care.

I agree, but we do nothing to bring them to justice. 170 million vs 1700
And you said we, the common people are wrong. Offcourse they are wrong but as I have told you who braught us to this point. Definetly our pioneer leaders. For this purpose you should read Shahab Naam by Qutratullah Shahab if you didn't read yet.
So you are saying qaid-e-azam ke baad aur koi leader hi nahi tha pakistan mein , aisa hai nahi lekin ager mein aap ke theory if u wanna call it that kabool ker lun to phir ab kisi leader hi umeed bhi nahi honi chahiye.Zia was not a stupid leader, musharraf was not a stupid leader, liaqat was nota stupid leaders, yahya was not a stupid leader.

If our pioneer leaders would make a strong basic infra structure of True Democracy , our constitution etc. , we wouldn't have Tragidy of 1971 and Marshal Laws. But again who were our Pioneer Politicians............ The Feudals Lords i.e. Nawabs, Chuhdries, Wadairas, Khanzaday, Sahib Zadays, Sardars etc . Such prefixes in their names you often encounter with.
Her chaudry isnt a feudal , majority arnt , Her khan zada is not a feudal , majority are not. Wadaira aur sardar bohat kaam hain as there are only a few in each tribe. Punjab mein punchait hoti hai and that has an elder from each family. Atleast thats how it works in the kashmiri biradari or whatever that shit is called.Khans have jirga of elders like the panchait in punjab, baloch and sindhis have waderas and saradars and i have no clue how that stuff works but i know this much that they are not so powerful without support from civil officers.

They have made the dull policies (& policies which suite them) and we are suffering till this date in the form of Low Leteracy rate, high poverty, Terrorism, floods etc.

Bhai jab aap dusron ki jangein laro ge to yehi ho ga, jab aap ke generals buzdil aur bewakuf hon ge yehi ho ga, jab aap ki qaum soyi howi ho gei yehi ho ga

Please read this again with out picking out people and events. You claim feudals are strong , bukti was a feudal who stood against the state guess waht happened to him?? , bhutto was a feudal he stood against the state what happened to him ?? NS was a feudal/ industrialist he stood against the state guess what happned to him ?? Mush has all the state institutions on his fingetips, he stood against the people guess what happened to him ??
 
Why Taliban are only concerned about people In pakistan & afghanistan to follow shariah?

What about UAE, KSA, Bahrain and other Arab states etc.
what about the biggest brothels in region, DUBAI, why we have talibans from those countries instead in the name of jihad fighting with our army but not sorting out their own cities? Or they consider us out of Islam?


Where is our Saudi/Arab brothers in our difficult time, or they too busy supporting and training new regiment of suicide bombers in mudrassas in the name of sharia. Is it the relationship between Saudis and shareef's family that Punjab govt is denying Taliban's presence in southern Punjab?

اصل میں طالبان شریعت کا نفاذ چاہتے ہی نہیں ہیں۔ وہ صرف اقتدار اور اختیار چاہتے ہیں۔ وہ جانتے ہیں کہ مزہب ہی کے ذریعے سے لوگ کو آسانی سے ہاتھوں میں لیا جا سکتا ہے اور اس شریعت کی اوٹ میں وہ جہاد کے نام پر سیاست کرتے ہیں۔ شریوت امن کا پیغام ہے، ظلم اور خون خرابے کا نہیں اور طالبان کی شریعت شروع ہی خون خرابے سے ہوتی ہے۔
 

shaheedchoudry

Minister (2k+ posts)
because no Zia was born in those countries..................because those countries doesnt have corrupt, illeterate, bikaaoo and jahil Ulema like we have...................
Allah Zia ko es ki saza dey. Zia was creator of many things that turned out to be harmful for Pakistan. Mujahdeen, Sipah sahaba, Klashankof culture, MQM, heroine culture and much more.
 

Night-Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
tumharey raaziq o khaaliq Nawaz Ganju ka siyaasi baap........naheen pehchaney?

ویسے ایم کیو ایم کے خالق ضیاء صاحب کو فارسی کا یہ مقولہ یاد رکھنا چاہئیے تھا کہ

افعی کشتند و بچہ اش را نگہداشتند کار فردمنداں نیست

سانپ کو مار دینا لیکن اس کے بچوں کی پرورش کرنا عقل مندوں کا کام نہیں
 
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LeftBrain

MPA (400+ posts)

ویسے ایم کیو ایم کے خالق ضیاء صاحب کو فارسی کا یہ مقولہ یاد رکھنا چاہئیے تھا کہ

افعی کشتند و بچہ اش را نگہداشتند کار فردمنداں نیست

سانپ کو مار دینا لیکن اس کے بچوں کی پرورش کرنا عقل مندوں کا کام نہیں

wesey tumharey liye faarsi ka aik or maqoola bhi hey.

Urfi too meyandeesh za Ghoghaaye raqeeban
Awaz-e-sagaan kam na kunand rizq-e-gada ra

tumhari "awaaz" se bhi kuh naheen honey walaa
 

Ammar isb

Councller (250+ posts)
Saudi aid is commendable; however it is high time that the Kingdom starts investing in social development rather than aiding radical madaris who are a breeding ground for terrorism
 

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