Why no Taliban in middle eastern countries

[saliaz]

Why Taliban are only concerned about people In pakistan & afghanistan to follow shariah?

What about UAE, KSA, Bahrain and other Arab states etc.
what about the biggest brothels in region, DUBAI, why we have talibans from those countries instead in the name of jihad fighting with our army but not sorting out their own cities? Or they consider us out of Islam?


Where is our Saudi/Arab brothers in our difficult time, or they too busy supporting and training new regiment of suicide bombers in mudrassas in the name of sharia. Is it the relationship between Saudis and shareef's family that Punjab govt is denying Taliban's presence in southern Punjab?

 

[furry87]

Because they are from Pakistan and Afghanistan. Your question is answered. Saudia has helped pakistan alot and is , only 2 days of fund raising efforts led to 20 mill usd from saudi. Next time try searching for the answers urself. They arab states have never helped us so please dont expect anything from them ,they have always been pro india.Saudi being the only exception. Plus jordan donated some cash and sent a team of doctors so please read the news before making such threads.

 

[Nice2MU]

بات تو سچ ہے مگر بات ھے رسوائی کی۔

بات تو سچ ہے مگر بات ھے رسوائی کی۔
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This is due to the fact that our Rullers made us Baggers but filled their accountes instead.

They have neither established good and Modern Educational institutes for common people nor reforms the Madrassas to give modern eduction along with relegions education.

Our Rullers hate Justice in Country as well thats why they didn't strengthen an independent Judiciary and had always being in conflict with judiciary.

Our Rullers hate common people in Parliment as well that why they made almost impossible for common people to get a seat in Parliment.

Our Rullers hate accountabilty thats why the Biggest corrupt person is our President and his coleagues are ministers and parlimenterians.

................In short our Rullers/ Rich Class hates all those thing which can give bit relief to Common People. ​

 

[furry87]

بات تو سچ ہے مگر بات ھے رسوائی کی۔​

This is due to the fact that our Rullers made us Baggers but filled their accountes instead.​

They have neither established good and Modern Educational institutes for common people nor reforms the Madrassas to give modern eduction along with relegions education. ​

Our Rullers hate Justice in Country as well thats why they didn't strengthen an independent Judiciary and had always being in conflict with judiciary.​

Our Rullers hate common people in Parliment as well that why they made almost impossible for common people to get a seat in Parliment. ​

Our Rullers hate accountabilty thats why the Biggest corrupt person is our President and his coleagues are ministers and parlimenterians.​

................In short our Rullers/ Rich Class hates all those thing which can give bit relief to Common People. ​

Bhai tell us something we dont know, what have we done as a nation to teach these so called leaders a lesson nothing, we have slept for 50 years and looked for foreign visas so we have no right to question those that stay behind and rule over our brothers.

Second on the note of education thanks to these leaders education is now under the control of the provinces to we can say Allah Hafiz to good education. How many of us have even read the 18th amendment. We discuss events and names and parties that is all our intellect is worth. We are not fit to look after ourselves.

 

[Muhammad Ikhlaq Siddiqui]

here people are emotional to the extent of ignorance ... may b because of that among many other reasons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nice2MU]

It is the time for Change

Bhai tell us something we dont know, what have we done as a nation to teach these so called leaders a lesson nothing, we have slept for 50 years and looked for foreign visas so we have no right to question those that stay behind and rule over our brothers.

Second on the note of education thanks to these leaders education is now under the control of the provinces to we can say Allah Hafiz to good education. How many of us have even read the 18th amendment. We discuss events and names and parties that is all our intellect is worth. We are not fit to look after ourselves.

...........U raised the issues which are the results of all what I have said earlier. It is not the nation who will make education policy for themselves, it is not nation who will make any policy for accoutibility, judiciary, health etc. It is the Ruller who make the infra structure for all development.


If you want to discuss the issue you raised, we have to go back to late forties after the death of Quid-e-Azam. When the Rullers compell us to run after food and shelter. They didn't allow us to sit in rest and think about our future.

Indian and Chinese Population is much bigger than us. Can you tell me what was the role of their nation to make Nehro, Ghandi, Patel or Mao Zedong (of China) or vice versa. But I can only say that we had being unlucky that our founder father was died just after 13 months of independent, wherease Nehra, Patel, Mao Zedong and others were live till late and made significant contributions in builting their nations. After the death of Mr Jinnah, our power of rulling went to Feudal Class and since then Feudal Class is rulling us. Every Fuedal Lord has so many Formers, relatives and friends that they win always and if they can't win they buy votes (again from poor and illeterate people).


PTI and MQM (MQM would be very successful if they would not involved negative activities) gave a leadership from Middle class. Lets see whats happned.

But PTI and MQM are famous in Urban mosty. More than 65 % population is still in Rural Areas. PTI might get some votes from the rural areas of Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa as well. We would be only successul if the Power is in hands of common people. This country has been run by few percent Fuedal Class for last 63 years. It is now the time for a great shift in Power from Feudal to Middle class. Otherwise we would see such floods all the time.

 

[furry87]

First of all let me say that i hope some one other than pml and ppp come to power, my vote will definately go to IK.

Secondly you have totally missed the issue i raised, our middle class ,educated class, and bureaucracy is totally to blame for this whole mess. The politicians are corrupt and there is no point debating that . Vultures know nothing else but to eat rotten and dead flesh and you cannot blame them for that. Politicians in every part of the world are corrupt and abuse their people in one way or another and this is not just restricted to pakistan, its just coated in white cloth so we dont see it in the west.

Why do our people vote for these vultures, why has the middle class been quiet for so long, why are our civil officers puppets of these terrorists. We only have ourselves to blame for this. Education has nothing to do with this, you gave the examples of india and china ,tell me bro how many people in india are educated and how many people in china are educated or were educated 20 years ago ??.

Again i would like to reitterate that the issue i raised was not education , the issue was about our lack of knowledge and understanding of politicis, we are always discussing names and events rather than what effects us. The 18th amendment was just an example, an example that most of pakistan is clueless about. PS the feudals are not as strong as u think, that is just a myth spread around by MQM and altaf. They are strong just like any other rich person in pakistan ,they are definately not stronger than the institutions of pakistan. It is just up to the people to get honest people up there in the parliment. It is not their job to be honest.

 

[Nice2MU]

First of all let me say that i hope some one other than pml and ppp come to power, my vote will definately go to IK.

Secondly you have totally missed the issue i raised, our middle class ,educated class, and bureaucracy is totally to blame for this whole mess. The politicians are corrupt and there is no point debating that . Vultures know nothing else but to eat rotten and dead flesh and you cannot blame them for that. Politicians in every part of the world are corrupt and abuse their people in one way or another and this is not just restricted to pakistan, its just coated in white cloth so we dont see it in the west.

Why do our people vote for these vultures, why has the middle class been quiet for so long, why are our civil officers puppets of these terrorists. We only have ourselves to blame for this. Education has nothing to do with this, you gave the examples of india and china ,tell me bro how many people in india are educated and how many people in china are educated or were educated 20 years ago ??.

Again i would like to reitterate that the issue i raised was not education , the issue was about our lack of knowledge and understanding of politicis, we are always discussing names and events rather than what effects us. The 18th amendment was just an example, an example that most of pakistan is clueless about. PS the feudals are not as strong as u think, that is just a myth spread around by MQM and altaf. They are strong just like any other rich person in pakistan ,they are definately not stronger than the institutions of pakistan. It is just up to the people to get honest people up there in the parliment. It is not their job to be honest.

........About India and China, I didn't mention that they are highly educated but luckily they got some good leader to lead them and built them on strong footings. They give them bit good economical condition, bit vision. We got indipendent media in 2003 whereas India since long ago. I mentioned about feudal class because they are in govt. directly or indrectly. They intentionally compell us to run after food and Shelter. We didn't care what is going on around us because he had to care for our stomach only.


Feudalism Myth or Truth

If feudal are not so strong, then go & do bit search about your Parlementarians and Army & Civillian officials. You would find very few peoples from middle class as compare to feudals, in these institutions. Any these three institutions are running the whole country.

 

[furry87]

mere bhai , wapda mein kitnay feudals hain , nadra mein kitne feudals hain, police mein kitnay feudals hain , army mein kitnay feudals hain ,isi mein kitnay feudals hain , motor way mein kitnay feudals hain , pepco mein kitnay feudals hain , paec mein kitnay feudals hain , suparco mein kitnay feudals hain , nescom mein kitnay feudals hain ,department of revenues mein kitnay feudals hain , ports and shipping mein kitnay feudals hain ,humaray commerce aur economy mein kitnay feudals hain , foreign affairs mein kitnay feudals hain , education ministry mein kitnay feudals hain ??


Feudals itnay bewakuf nahi ke sari dunia ke samnay aa ke karay ho jain , wo peechay se dorian khainchtay hain. Ye humari ghalti hai jo unhein baar baar vote dete hain. Ager aap ko aik dafa ***** katay to aap baar baar ja ke ussi *****y se pyar nahi kartay. To is baat ko samnay rakhtay howe ye sub humari ghalti hai chahey aap kabool kerna pasand karo ya nahi. AH

 

[saliaz]

Because they are from Pakistan and Afghanistan. Your question is answered. Saudia has helped pakistan alot and is , only 2 days of fund raising efforts led to 20 mill usd from saudi. Next time try searching for the answers urself. They arab states have never helped us so please dont expect anything from them ,they have always been pro india.Saudi being the only exception. Plus jordan donated some cash and sent a team of doctors so please read the news before making such threads.

First of all i think i mixed two separate issues in one thread i.e. taliban and flood relief help from Arab Countries. Thanks for correction, but we all know thats not enough considering being "BROTHER" islamic countries! I know we always beg but this is something unimaginable, for those who are in desperate need.

However, i also beleive you missed the point. Taliban/Al Qaida from inception trying to implement shariah law in Afghanistan and now in parts of our country, similar to one in KSA, also there has been large number of captured prisioner during operations from arab countries including Saudi Arabia. There has also been evidence of some of their finances from same sources. Still there are many links of terrorist activites to those mudarras sponsored by same countries. Now you also remember US Military base originally in Saudi cities, eventually moved to Qatar or Bahrain, due to public reaction and terrorim incidents within KSA as reaction.

They are pro india so do afghans are the question is why? Is that because of different sect? There are muslim countries all over the world then why only Afghanistan and Pakistan they believe should follow shariah?

 

[saliaz]

Finally some NEWS

http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article104110.ece

 

[furry87]

First of all i think i mixed two separate issues in one thread i.e. taliban and flood relief help from Arab Countries. Thanks for correction, but we all know thats not enough considering being "BROTHER" islamic countries! I know we always beg but this is something unimaginable, for those who are in desperate need.

However, i also beleive you missed the point. Taliban/Al Qaida from inception trying to implement shariah law in Afghanistan and now in parts of our country, similar to one in KSA, also there has been large number of captured prisioner during operations from arab countries including Saudi Arabia. There has also been evidence of some of their finances from same sources. Still there are many links of terrorist activites to those mudarras sponsored by same countries. Now you also remember US Military base originally in Saudi cities, eventually moved to Qatar or Bahrain, due to public reaction and terrorim incidents within KSA as reaction.

They are pro india so do afghans are the question is why? Is that because of different sect? There are muslim countries all over the world then why only Afghanistan and Pakistan they believe should follow shariah?

Mere bhai taliban sharia ke liye nahi lar rahey , ab ager aap ko ye bhi nahi pata to mein is se aggay aap ko kia bataon. Is issue pe aap khud articles parh lo, wana aur school bombing aur wo sub. Kisi ke peet pe chura maro ge to wo aap ko pappian nahi de ga. Kisi ke bachay maro ge to wo aap ko duwain nahi de ga, apnay doston ke khilaaf 2do numbri karo ge to wo dost nahi rahey ga. The rest i leave up to you to find out.

Coming to the issues of arabs, i have no soft corner for anyone ...arbi khud bheek mang rahey hon ge jab tail khatam ho ga. Its not about sects and its not about religion , qatar quwait to Allah mian ki gai hain, syria , jordan , egypt , libya , oman , lebanon , falestine itnay ameer nahi hain aur un ke apnay maslay masail hain. Ab ager aap chahtay ho ke koi arbi aa ke aap ke maslay hal karey aap ko paisay de , aap ki salary de to wo kabhi nahi ho ga. Saudi humaray bohat achay dost hain ,aur un se zada is dunia mein shahid hi kisi mulk ne humary madad ki ho. Just for your information KSA mein shariat kisi kitab mein likha ho ga lekin wo nafiz her giz nahi hai ,aur ager nafiz hain to gareeb aur auraton ki leye nafiz hain, it is a kingdom not an islami riasat. ager aik percent arbi, tajik , uzbek pakray jata hain to is ka matlab ye nahi ke puri resistence arab chala rahey hain ya arab loag chala rahey hain , ya phir arab hakumateen chala rahi hain.

Aur aap ager samajtay ho k e arab arab ko nahi marta to you are sadly mistaken , iraq pe attack howa arab kidher thay , quwait pe attack howa to arab kidher thay , falestine pe attack howa to arab kidher thay , syria pe attack howa to arab kidher thay , libya pe attack howa to arrab kidher thay. lebanon pe attack howa to arab kidher thay ??

Apna ghar khud theek karo , arab humaray mammay nahi lagtay jo gaud mein bitha ke lorian sunain.

 

[Nice2MU]

mere bhai , wapda mein kitnay feudals hain , nadra mein kitne feudals hain, police mein kitnay feudals hain , army mein kitnay feudals hain ,isi mein kitnay feudals hain , motor way mein kitnay feudals hain , pepco mein kitnay feudals hain , paec mein kitnay feudals hain , suparco mein kitnay feudals hain , nescom mein kitnay feudals hain ,department of revenues mein kitnay feudals hain , ports and shipping mein kitnay feudals hain ,humaray commerce aur economy mein kitnay feudals hain , foreign affairs mein kitnay feudals hain , education ministry mein kitnay feudals hain ??


Feudals itnay bewakuf nahi ke sari dunia ke samnay aa ke karay ho jain , wo peechay se dorian khainchtay hain. Ye humari ghalti hai jo unhein baar baar vote dete hain. Ager aap ko aik dafa ***** katay to aap baar baar ja ke ussi *****y se pyar nahi kartay. To is baat ko samnay rakhtay howe ye sub humari ghalti hai chahey aap kabool kerna pasand karo ya nahi. AH

Who and why poor people vote them I have told you that they have been kept poor and unaware. Feudals are little in number but their influence more in their Mazaraz and Haries, they have to vote them and I have mentioned our 65 % peoples live in village.

You mentioned all the departments but u didn't mention Parliment, which gives them absolute Power and with this power, they do decisions of their own well & wish.

Do you really don't know that there are no feudals in Army or other civillian oraganisations? They are definetly there but on key posts, they are not Sepahi in Army or Police, or line man in WAPDA etc.

You know our Feudals Class don't study Science they would study Politics, Law, History, IR etc. Why they are taking these subjects?

But I think our discussion is going in wrong direction. My points of view in above posts were that our policy makers were/ are not among us, they are the creatures of different world. In that world they dont know how poeple live just above and below poeverty line? Even they don't care.

And you said we, the common people are wrong. Offcourse they are wrong but as I have told you who braught us to this point. Definetly our pioneer leaders. For this purpose you should read Shahab Naam by Qutratullah Shahab if you didn't read yet.

If our pioneer leaders would make a strong basic infra structure of True Democracy , our constitution etc. , we wouldn't have Tragidy of 1971 and Marshal Laws. But again who were our Pioneer Politicians............ The Feudals Lords i.e. Nawabs, Chuhdries, Wadairas, Khanzaday, Sahib Zadays, Sardars etc . Such prefixes in their names you often encounter with.

They have made the dull policies (& policies which suite them) and we are suffering till this date in the form of Low Leteracy rate, high poverty, Terrorism, floods etc.

 

[furry87]

Who and why poor people vote them I have told you that they have been kept poor and unaware. Feudals are little in number but their influence more in their Mazaraz and Haries, they have to vote them and I have mentioned our 65 % peoples live in village.
Bhai i have already clarified this point, 65 percent votes for corrupt ...to call them stupid would be insulting , they know who they vote for and why they vote. You can do ur own research on this point, to call some one stupid just because they dont have a piece of paper from a university is highly ignorant.

You mentioned all the departments but u didn't mention Parliment, which gives them absolute Power and with this power, they do decisions of their own well & wish.
I rightly did not mention the parliment because 10 feudals rule over 10 million employee who have no courage of their own ,so you tell me who is to blame. The whole army could not stand up to musharaf and other military dicktators. Akbar bugti stood up against the whole state, ZA Bhutto stood up against the whole state, Cheif justice stood up against the whole state. You obviously have very little knowledge about how out institutions like PIA and steel mills work. Zameer bikay howe hain logon ke , naukri chalay janey ke dar pe mun band rakhtay hain , aur wo bhi palimentarians se nahi apnay seniors se kiyun ke sari corruption un ki hoti hai. Bohat paisa hai is dhanday mein bhai.

Do you really don't know that there are no feudals in Army or other civillian oraganisations? They are definetly there but on key posts, they are not Sepahi in Army or Police, or line man in WAPDA etc.

Bhai aap her department mein se mujhe 10 dhoon do mein shikast kubool ker lun ga.

You know our Feudals Class don't study Science they would study Politics, Law, History, IR etc. Why they are taking these subjects?
Science nahin parhtay to wapda aur paec mein kia ker rahe hain ?? aap t keh rahey thay idaron ki top positions feudals ke paas hain ??

But I think our discussion is going in wrong direction. My points of view in above posts were that our policy makers were/ are not among us, they are the creatures of different world. In that world they dont know how poeple live just above and below poeverty line? Even they don't care.

I agree, but we do nothing to bring them to justice. 170 million vs 1700
And you said we, the common people are wrong. Offcourse they are wrong but as I have told you who braught us to this point. Definetly our pioneer leaders. For this purpose you should read Shahab Naam by Qutratullah Shahab if you didn't read yet.
So you are saying qaid-e-azam ke baad aur koi leader hi nahi tha pakistan mein , aisa hai nahi lekin ager mein aap ke theory if u wanna call it that kabool ker lun to phir ab kisi leader hi umeed bhi nahi honi chahiye.Zia was not a stupid leader, musharraf was not a stupid leader, liaqat was nota stupid leaders, yahya was not a stupid leader.

If our pioneer leaders would make a strong basic infra structure of True Democracy , our constitution etc. , we wouldn't have Tragidy of 1971 and Marshal Laws. But again who were our Pioneer Politicians............ The Feudals Lords i.e. Nawabs, Chuhdries, Wadairas, Khanzaday, Sahib Zadays, Sardars etc . Such prefixes in their names you often encounter with.
Her chaudry isnt a feudal , majority arnt , Her khan zada is not a feudal , majority are not. Wadaira aur sardar bohat kaam hain as there are only a few in each tribe. Punjab mein punchait hoti hai and that has an elder from each family. Atleast thats how it works in the kashmiri biradari or whatever that shit is called.Khans have jirga of elders like the panchait in punjab, baloch and sindhis have waderas and saradars and i have no clue how that stuff works but i know this much that they are not so powerful without support from civil officers.

They have made the dull policies (& policies which suite them) and we are suffering till this date in the form of Low Leteracy rate, high poverty, Terrorism, floods etc.

Bhai jab aap dusron ki jangein laro ge to yehi ho ga, jab aap ke generals buzdil aur bewakuf hon ge yehi ho ga, jab aap ki qaum soyi howi ho gei yehi ho ga

 

[gazoomartian]

Why Taliban are only concerned about people In pakistan & afghanistan to follow shariah?

What about UAE, KSA, Bahrain and other Arab states etc.
what about the biggest brothels in region, DUBAI, why we have talibans from those countries instead in the name of jihad fighting with our army but not sorting out their own cities? Or they consider us out of Islam?


Where is our Saudi/Arab brothers in our difficult time, or they too busy supporting and training new regiment of suicide bombers in mudrassas in the name of sharia. Is it the relationship between Saudis and shareef's family that Punjab govt is denying Taliban's presence in southern Punjab?

Because the west doesnt need to create taliban in the middle east. We got nukes, they dont. But InshaAllah Iran will have one soon

 

[YAHYA87]

Because the west doesnt need to create taliban in the middle east. We got nukes, they dont. But InshaAllah Iran will have one soon

taliban are extreme right wing Pashtun tribal fighters and their ideologies are also very close to pashtun tradition but they do have influence among few Uzbek having Islamist mindset and also among right wing in rest of Pakistan that is why their arenty any Taliban in Arab and other middle eastern countries....But they do have their own set of violent outfits like Al Qaida type outfit....Iran is totally different from taliban and Iran have always been Taliban's worst enemy...

 

[furry87]

taliban are extreme right wing Pashtun tribal fighters and their ideologies are also very close to pashtun tradition but they do have influence among few Uzbek having Islamist mindset and also among right wing in rest of Pakistan that is why their arenty any Taliban in Arab and other middle eastern countries....But they do have their own set of violent outfits like Al Qaida type outfit....Iran is totally different from taliban and Iran have always been Taliban's worst enemy...

lol bhai jitnay pashtun hain utnay punjabi bhi hain , ye aap ki ghalat fehmi hai

 

[YAHYA87]

lol bhai jitnay pashtun hain utnay punjabi bhi hain , ye aap ki ghalat fehmi hai

Tu mainay Rightwing mindset mai mai Punjabi, Sindhi, Baluch aur muhajiroon ko bhi include kia hai....

 

[LeftBrain]

because no Zia was born in those countries..................because those countries doesnt have corrupt, illeterate, bikaaoo and jahil Ulema like we have...................

 

[A.Ali.T]

FURY87 and Nice2MU
Both of you have raised some very good points.

FURY87 said that, PS the feudals are not as strong as u think, that is just a myth spread around by MQM and altaf.
Forget about MQM and Altaf, we are talking about much larger issue. Feudals, in my opinion are still very strong, they may not be in very large number, but they are in the driving seat. You and I and rest of us Pakistanis may be very strong and great in number, however, from outside we cannot turn the Titanic around, but a very small and weak person sitting at the wheel can very easily turn the ship in which ever way he chooses. In the same way feudals or their representatives are sitting at the key positions and protecting their interests. I can give few very recent examples, I am sure you still remember last years sugar scandal, very recent Khursheed Shah and Naveed Qamars incident during the floods.

Brothers as long as we are totally dependent on someone for our basic needs, we cannot think independently for ourselves forget about the country. Our Pakistani brothers living in rural areas are totally dependent on these feudals. I was watching a news show few days ago in which they showed that the villagers were still in a flood afflicted village, because the wadera did not give them permission to leave the village yet. Just imagine if you cannot think independently and freely to save your life, how can you expect them to vote according to their will.

After the floods alot of people are very angry at the feudals, I think this is the time to capitalise and get our Pakistanis out from the clutches of these vultures. If we miss this opportunity then people tend to have very short memory and everything will be same as before.