sngilani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Defiant Gaddafi vows to die as martyr, fight revolt

if you look at worlds situation now , one thing is clear , as said by our beloved PROPHETpbuh nonmuslim never been friends or well wishers of muslims.
well wishes to Gaddafi and all true muslim leaders and muslim umma.
they are dividing us and we are not realizing.
only ALLAH can save us , we have to back to our origion.

These dictators are the modern Pheroohs and Yazids. Can you imagine standing in front of them? You will be killed. That is what happened to Imam Hussain.
 

Salik

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Defiant Gaddafi vows to die as martyr, fight revolt

Decades of power has made him loose his mind.... I ve never heard of the use of Air-force on civilians...This is unprecedented brutality... May he die a dogs death ...
 

Baba jee

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Defiant Gaddafi vows to die as martyr, fight revolt

The problem with the mid-eastern revolutions is that they don't have leaders who will take over these kings and dictators! And revolutions without leaders won't last for long!
But that is a fact that there will be big changes in middle east but lets see how the public will handle these revolutions. Especially in Jordan, Egypt, Yemen, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain & Kuwait
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Has Gaddafi unleashed a mercenary force on Libya?

By wmw_admin on February 23, 2011
David Smith The Guardian February 22, 2011
There are widespread reports that Muammar Gaddafi has unleashed numerous foreign mercenaries on his people, in a desperate gamble to crush dissent and quell the current uprising.
Their origins vary according to speculation: Chad, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Niger, Mali, Sudan and possibly even Asia and eastern Europe.
The claims are hard to pin down but persistent. Ali al-Essawi, the Libyan ambassador to India, who resigned in the wake of the crackdown, told Reuters on Tuesday: They are from Africa, and speak French and other languages.
He said their presence had prompted some army troops to switch sides to the opposition. They are Libyans and they cannot see foreigners killing Libyans so they moved beside the people.
In a separate interview, Essawi told al-Jazeera: People say they are black Africans and they dont speak Arabic. They are doing terrible things, going to houses and killing women and children.
Witness accounts seem to bear out the claims. One resident of Tripoli was quoted by Reuters: Gaddafi obviously does not have any limits. We knew he was crazy, but its still a terrible shock to see him turning mercenaries on his own people and just mowing down unarmed demonstrators.
Saddam, a 21-year-old university student in Bayda, claimed mercenaries had killed 150 people in two days. The police opened fire at us, he said. My friend Khaled was the first martyr to fall and seven others died with him.
The next day, we were shocked to see mercenaries from Chad, Tunisia, Morocco speaking French attacking us We captured some of the mercenaries and they said they were given orders by Gaddafi to eliminate the protesters.
Amid the chaos gripping Libya, the volume of foreign mercenaries and much else remains confused. Some believe they could be veterans of civil wars in the Sahel and west Africa.
Ibrahim Jibreel, a Libyan political activist, told al-Jazeera that some had been in the country for months, based in training camps in the south, as if in anticipation of such an uprising. Others had been flown in at short notice, he said.
Some reports suggest white mercenaries have also been spotted fighting on Gaddafis behalf. White South Africans who left the national army after the end of racial apartheid have been in demand for their expertise in various war zones, including Afghanistan and Iraq, but there is currently no evidence that any have joined the conflict in Libya.
Experts suggest that Gaddafi has plenty of options in the region. He has traditionally had a network of skilled soldiers from all over west Africa, said Adam Roberts, author of The Wonga Coup, the story of a failed attempt by Simon Mann and other mercenaries to overthrow the president of Equatorial Guinea in 2004. There are lots of Africans, particularly from west Africa or Sudan, who go to Libya because its wealthier.
Mercenaries remain a potent weapon against civilian populations, despite the African Unions 1977 Convention for the Elimination of Mercenarism in Africa. Liberian civil war veterans have been hired by Ivory Coast president Laurent Gbagbo to terrorise protesters following his widely acknowledged election defeat.
Roberts added: Gaddafi and other dictators tend to surround themselves with fighters who will be loyal to them rather than to a local faction. Foreign mercenaries are likely to be less squeamish about shooting at local people.
They are likely to better trained a small unit that can be relied upon. They might also have experience of fighting battles and therefore be more capable if push comes to shove.
The view was echoed by Reed Brody of Human Rights Watch. Its hard to get your own people to shoot your own people, he said. In this kind of situation, you can see why mercenaries would be an advantage because its easier to get foreigners to shoot at Libyans than to get Libyans to shoot at Libyans.
Gaddafi can offer mercenaries what they want more than anything: money. Sabelo Gumedze, a senior researcher at the Institute for Security Studies (ISS) in South Africa, said: Mercenaries are purely driven by profit. As long as they make money, theyre going to do it, and leaders like Gaddafi have money at their disposal.
There is a constant supply of willing recruits, he added. In Africa the process of demobilising rebels is poor. The only thing they know is how to fight. If someone can turn the barrel of a gun into profit, they jump at it. They have few other employment opportunities.
Jos Gmez del Prado, chair of the working group on the use of mercenaries at the UN human rights council, said: You can find, particularly in Africa, many people whove been in wars for many years. They dont know anything else. They are cheap labour, ready to take the job for little money. They are trained killers.
Del Prado said he has heard the reports of mercenaries in Libya from a number of sources and is very worried.
But some analysts urged against jumping to conclusions in Libya, noting that the country has a significant black population who may simply be serving in the regular army and could be mistaken for mercenaries. These include Chadians who sided with Gaddafi in his past conflicts with Chad and were rewarded with houses, jobs and Libyan citizenship.
The UN refugee agency (UNHCR) said yesterday it had received alarming reports that Libyans were turning on African refugees whom they accused of being mercenaries.
Issaka Souare, a senior researcher at the ISSs Africa conflict prevention programme, said: In the south of Libya you do have people of sub-Sarahan origin, including Hausa speakers. Some might have integrated into the Libyan army and these would probably be among the first to be deployed. It will then be easy for people to say they are foreign mercenaries.
People started talking about this issue on the third day, but I think Gaddafi should have had sufficient resources to deal with the protests before resorting to mercenaries. How long would it take Gaddafi to get mercenaries together and deploy them? Maybe a week. So I see it as unlikely at this stage, but it could happen if army defections continue.
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FaisalLatif

Councller (250+ posts)
Gaddafi: Cruel and Stupid

Gaddafi follows past dictators
The embattled leader isn't the first strong-man to cut communication links or threaten protesters.

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By using foreign mercenaries and brutal force, Gaddafi has lost claims to legitimacy [GALLO/GETTY]

The brutal response by Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi against pro- democracy protestors in the country indicates his determination not to leave office without a bloody battle, but his moves follow the path that eventually led to ouster of two neighbouring dictators.
In a televised address Tuesday from his residential compound that was bombed by US planes in 1986, a highly animated and yelling Gaddafi repeatedly called the protestors "rats" and warned them that they will be crushed and sentenced to the "capital punishment" for going against his rule.
But it was that realisation that they face death and heavy reprisals that actually made demonstrators two weeks ago in Cairo's Tahrir Square more entrenched in their positions.
And like Hosni Mubarak of Egypt and Tunisia’s Zine Al-Abidin Ben Ali, Gaddafi too cut off all communications in the country and used force against protestors.
In Tunisia and Egypt, that violent reaction in itself turned otherwise passive residents - who weren’t taking part in the protests initially - against the governments in the two countries.
Hired goons
Violent reaction by the regimes in Tunisia and Egypt against the protestors in fact strengthened their calls from simple reform to complete change.
Instead of using thugs and hired muscle on horseback and camels, like Mubarak did against the Tahrir Square pro-democracy activists, Gaddafi employed foreign mercenaries and heavily armed militiamen, according to eyewitnesses.
The shots on Tahrir protestors by snipers from rooftops was also echoed by Gaddafi who allowed his supporters to shoot at demonstrators from building rooftops, helicopters, and, according to some reports, warplanes.
By using overwhelming force, Gaddafi is in fact renouncing any remains of legitimate claims to power.
Employing foreign mercenaries to quell the uprising by his own people shows that he doesn’t have enough public support among his own people, and possibly even among his own military.
Unraveling
Just like the final days of Mubarak, Gaddafi now stands nearly isolated as international condemnations pour in against his regime and his brutal attempts to suppress uprising.
"Those who are still with him in the military will soon realise they cannot go on using such heavy weapons and sheer brutal force against their fellow Libyans and will turn against him," said Khaled Mahmoud, a Cairo-based independent expert on Libyan affairs.
Mahmoud pointed to defections in Gaddafi’s diplomatic corps and by some ministers as a prelude to possible major military defections. At least twelve Libyan diplomats have announced their resignation - amongst them Libya’s envoys to France, the United States and UNESCO
"The most telling sign that Gaddafi will fall is that wave of defections from his close diplomatic supporters and some military officers," said Mahmoud. "He is used to firing people not being deserted like that."
"Gaddafi’s use of hired guns also means he is really shaken and scared. Those are not signs of someone confident of public backing," Mahmoud added.
Mahmoud who writes for the London-based pan-Arab newspaper Asharq Alwasat said that Gaddafi’s threat to use even more force in his speech Tuesday means he has no political course to take.
Other analysts say that Gaddafi - who came to power in a 1969 coup - didn’t learn any lessons from his two neighbours, Egypt and Tunisia.
News from the front
On the ground, there were signs Gaddafi maybe indeed losing his iron-fist grip on the country, just like the two former dictators did in their final days.
Egyptian expatriates returning from Libya told the local press that Gaddafi’s troops have abandoned many positions and deserted hundreds of miles of land - especially in the Eastern part of the country where two major cities, Benghazi and Bayda, are no longer under Gaddafi’s control.
The London-based Libya Al-Youm newspaper reported that members of three large tribes including the large Warfla tribe, have threatened to take "heavy weapons" against the regime if mass murder of their "sons" doesn’t stop - an indication that the tribal system could be working against Gaddafi.
Politically, the two speeches that Gaddafi and his son, Saifulisalm, gave were awkward, rambling and threatening in tone - just like Ben Ali’s and Mubarak’s.
Mubarak’s last speech, that came when hundreds of thousands gathered in Cairo’s Tahrir Square waiting for his resignation, shocked Egyptians because of Mubarak’s intransigence and insistence not to leave office. The speech is widely thought now to have galvanised the protestors.
"For Gaddafi, the last straw came during the past few days with Saifulislam’s threatening, arrogant and insulting speech to the Libyan people," said Abdelmonem Al-Houniy, Gaddafi’s former ambassador to the Arab League in Cairo who quit two days ago in protest against the use of violence against the protestors.
"That speech meant the regime is writing its own death certificate by insisting to go against its own people," he said.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/02/2011223133338324939.html
 
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karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Obama Prepares Invasion Of Libya Under Humanitarian Cover

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
February 23, 2011
In a speech delivered earlier today with Secretary of State Clinton at his side, Obama announced that the government of the United States will soon intervene in Libya with its globalist partners under the threadbare cover of humanitarian aid and respect for human rights.
Obama announced he will send CFR member and Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs William J. Burns to Europe and the Middle East.
According to teleprompter-reader-in-chief Obama, Mr. Burns will intensify our consultation with allies and partners. In other words Burns will serve as the point man ahead of the coming globalist intervention in Libya, where there is around 44 billion barrels of estimated oil reserves.
 

wanderer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: Obama Prepares Invasion Of Libya Under Humanitarian Cover

If thats whats going to be, then Libya was better off bearing their current ruler.
 

lotaparty

Voter (50+ posts)
Re: Obama Prepares Invasion Of Libya Under Humanitarian Cover

I was already thinking why international community is not stopping human rights violation in libya. i support invasion in Libya otherwise Gaddafi will kill all his opponents. It has become necessary.
 

pakistan_pak

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Obama Prepares Invasion Of Libya Under Humanitarian Cover

us thieves,,,now i am sure they are responsible for this situation.....black gold...is n't it?
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Obama Prepares Invasion Of Libya Under Humanitarian Cover

I was already thinking why international community is not stopping human rights violation in libya. i support invasion in Libya otherwise Gaddafi will kill all his opponents. It has become necessary.

Sorry, by mistake I "Liked" your post
Iraq is an example, human rights and WMDs were just a cover to invade it.

America and its LOTAY are not solution to problems Muslims world facing, in fact they are adding fuel to fire.
 
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arslan4u

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Obama Prepares Invasion Of Libya Under Humanitarian Cover

The world is a "global village" and America wants to be the "global wadaira", i think America should stop being the 'thekedaar' of the world.

First they plant the seeds of a problem, when it starts growing they come to uproot it and plant new seeds:
They back Taliban, and after a few decades they say its enough, setup Qarzai puppet show.
They back Musharraf, and after 8 years they say its enough, setup Zardari puppet show.
They back Qaddafi, and after 3 decades they say its enough, setup "XYZ" puppet show.
 
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Salik

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Obama Prepares Invasion Of Libya Under Humanitarian Cover

In the best interest of his people Gaddafi should transfer power otherwise this hype power will parasitize on poor Libyan blood for years

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Bilal_Mushi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Libya protests: Gaddafi says Bin Laden to blame

Libya: Colonel Gaddafi Speaks On State TV

Colonel Muammar Gaddafi has spoken on state television, amid further clashes and protests in Libya.

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Gaddafi has spoken on state television for the third time since uprisings began

The statement, which he made over the phone to a television presenter in the town of Zawiya, marks the third time Gaddafi has spoken out since uprisings began.
Fierce fighting raged in the town between his forces and rebels as he spoke.
Gaddafi offered his condolences to those who had died in the unrest, calling them "Libya's children".
He added that those who had been protesting were on "hallucinogenic drugs".

"You in Zawiya turn to Bin Laden," he said. "They give you drugs."

Muammar Gaddafi's son, Seif al-Islam Gaddafi, has also spoken on Libyan TV
Several people have also been killed by pro-Gaddafi forces near the town of Misratah, as violent protests continue to spread.
A witness, who only wanted to be identified as Mohamed, said a unit of paramilitary forces controlled by one of Gaddafi's sons, Khamis, attacked near Misratah airport.
"Khamis's brigade launched a violent attack on protesters near the airport this morning at around 10:30 (0830 GMT).
"The brigade has managed to control the site but we are still trying to push it back," he said.
Meanwhile, Muammar Gaddafi's son, Seif al-Islam Gaddafi, has denied the government launched airstrikes against Libyan cities.
He also claimed reports of the number of protesters killed have been exaggerated.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Libya-Colonel-Gaddafi-Makes-State-Television-Speech-As-Fighting-Continues/Article/201102415939952?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15939952_Libya%3A_Colonel_Gaddafi_Makes_State_Television_Speech_As_Fighting_Continues


Libya protests: Gaddafi says Bin Laden to blame

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Protesters have been consolidating gains in cities in the east

Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi has told state TV that Osama Bin Laden and his followers are to blame for the protests wracking his country.

In a phone call from the town of al-Zawiya played live on TV, Col Gaddafi said young people were being duped with drugs and alcohol to take part in "destruction and sabotage".
Col Gaddafi is battling to shore up control of Tripoli and western areas.
Protesters have been consolidating gains in cities in the east.
'This is your country'
The telephone call was said to be an address to the people of al-Zawiya, 50km (30 miles) west of the capital, where there has been renewed gunfire reported in the streets.
Col Gaddafi said the protesters had no genuine demands and were being dictated to by the al-Qaeda leader.
"Bin Laden ... this is the enemy who is manipulating people. Do not be swayed by Bin Laden," he said.
"It is obvious now that this issue is run by al-Qaeda. Those armed youngsters, our children, are incited by people who are wanted by America and the Western world.
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"Those inciting are very few in numbers and we have to capture them."
He said the young protesters were "trigger happy and they shoot especially when they are stoned with drugs".
He said that Libya was not like Egypt and Tunisia, which have seen their leaders deposed, because the people of Libya had it in their own hands to change their lives through committees.
"This is your country and it is up to you how to deal with it," he said.
Calling the situation in al-Zawiya a "farce", he urged families to rein in their sons, saying many of the protesters were underage and beyond the reach of the law.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12570279
 
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zeshaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: "You in Zawiya turn to Bin Laden," ......"They give you drugs." Gaddafi.

Look like,He is going to be in comma(not the royal khaima) soon.
 

Young

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: "You in Zawiya turn to Bin Laden," ......"They give you drugs." Gaddafi.

Gadhafi god bless u. U r a best leader of Libya. Otherwise only american pithoos will rule it.
 

Bilal_Mushi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: "You in Zawiya turn to Bin Laden," ......"They give you drugs." Gaddafi.

Why is he blaming Bin Laden why not Obama? Best leaders don't kill their people like this.

Gadhafi god bless u. U r a best leader of Libya. Otherwise only american pithoos will rule it.
 

dildada

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Obama Prepares Invasion Of Libya Under Humanitarian Cover

I don't know why we are admiring this USA + Israel Sponsor Revolution. Don't you people remember about the re-mapping of Arab world Geographic boundaries. They divide Sudan into two parts. For a moment If I accept it is revolution in Egypt, can anybody tel me what changed after Husni Departure. Fresh Army General take controlled of Egypt who is very happy with Israel and USA.

By the way Libya and Iran are not pro-american countries why there same sort of things start happening.

I smell the smoke of big fire on Muslims, beware of Dajal weapons !!!!!!!