Noam Chomsky:Pakistan Drifting Away from Science

[waqqaskhan]

I saw the video it was too much for me to understand quiet honestly. Its not weather I know or not how this universe came into being I have firm believe it was created by Allah SWT may be a scientist would exactly know how it was created, still it had planned by Allah SWT. Even it was all evolved to this current shape it was by the planning of Allah SWT this is what I believe. I think this discussion will lead us nowhere, but I must say you are very well behaved and respecting human being otherwise people start mocking and abusing in the second round of argument. If you think I lose the argument I accept it. I still believe in Allah SWT and this will further increase my faith in him.

 

[Citizen X]

Problem is no one teaches actual Islam in Pakistan and when someone does, Like Ghamdi he immediately becomes a "fitna" because he is threatening the lively hood of other bhaand mullahs so he is killed or forced into exile overseas. Get rid of mullahs of which 99% of jahils, frauds and bhaands and 99% of these problems will be solved. According to them just do your 5 times salah, fast 30 days, do hajj or umrah, wear your shalwar above your knees, have big unkempt bushy beards and give them your chanda and you are guaranteed heaven. Beyond that, its ok to steal, cheat, lie, deceive, treat others like shit, etc etc.

 

[Vitamin_C]

I saw the video it was too much for me to understand quiet honestly. Its not weather I know or not how this universe came into being I have firm believe it was created by Allah SWT may be a scientist would exactly know how it was created, still it had planned by Allah SWT. Even it was all evolved to this current shape it was by the planning of Allah SWT this is what I believe. I think this discussion will lead us nowhere, but I must say you are very well behaved and respecting human being otherwise people start mocking and abusing in the second round of argument. If you think I lose the argument I accept it. I still believe in Allah SWT and this will further increase my faith in him.

No one knows where it came from, we know what happened after big bang but we don't know enough information about it to be able to make a theory of what happened before the big bang. We have hypothesis, one of them is the multi-verse. Scientists cannot make leaps of faith in explaining natural phenomena, we have to wait until we have conclusive evidence, and if we do not have the evidence, or if the evidence is out of reach for us we cannot make a judgement on the issue.

Whenever I see something that looks finely tuned, like certain laws of physics in our universe, it makes me think that there must be such a large number of universes that at-least one of them had to have a boiling point of water at 100 degrees etc etc.

The reason why Earth looks so perfect is that there is such a large number of planets in this universe. 400 billion galaxies, each galaxy with 400 billion stars and each star with multiple planets. Its only a numbers game that a certain percentage of planets will be at a perfect distance between their star/sun and certain percentage of those will receive right amount of water from meteors etc etc. The number of planets is so big that atleast one of them had to be like Earth with just the right conditions. If the odds of winning a lottery is 1 in 7,000,000 and number of people who play they lottery is 100,000,000 then it is highly likely that there will be atleast one winner.

So far from everything we have studied, we have found out that complexity comes from simplicity and not the other way around. If we study formation of stars and planets, evolution of life, the big bang, everything had a simple beginning and become more and more complex over time, this is what makes it hard to believe in a creator because the creator would be more complex than the creation and this is not something that we observe in nature. Anyway, to each his own, you have a right to believe what you want to believe but I respect that you took the time to understand another point of view and try to learn something new.

 

[waqqaskhan]

I am always ready to talk to people of different views this is how you become tolerant, one think I always think is most of us do not observe things personally but it is shown on tv and we believe the science because it proves its self through experiment. Allah SWT knows the psychology of a human, he sends Prophets who tell people about the unseen and due to nature of the human, people had the same question show us something so that we believe you. Quran has many stories like that. Many Prophets are therefore given Miracles to satisfy people. But the problem is many people even seeing the Miracle denied the prophet. So I am the one believed Prophet came and their character and Miracles were enough to believe them. I am big admirer of Science I do not know any good Scholar of religion totally denies the Science.