No Visa for US personnel without security clearence / How visas were issued to US personnel
zardarifan
MPA (400+ posts)
Re: No Visa for US personnel without security clearence
Yeh purani trick hai, American must have vaccant as per their requirements, these people are oretending as they have done something very great by taking these base back from US.
Old drama, keep making Pakistanis fool.
Yeh purani trick hai, American must have vaccant as per their requirements, these people are oretending as they have done something very great by taking these base back from US.
Old drama, keep making Pakistanis fool.
Raaz
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: No Visa for US personnel without security clearence
Just one drone on presidency please...
Just one drone on presidency please...
digitalzygot
Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: No Visa for US personnel without security clearence
PPP government I blame them, they are corrupt and weak and our enemies are taking advantage. Security is the priority it's shockingKayani to say CIA operatives were given visas without clearance, this is serious negligence, Kayani is responsible for this mess. Give tribal people land to air missiles to shoot drones down, train them. Drones should not fly from Pakistan territory, thousands of women and kids have died, ***** hoo in dogs par, corrupt p**s, innocent people are dying everyday. US only knows one language which is DANDA deal them with DANDA, don't rely on them for aid, IRAN is doing better without them. Pakistan has lost tens of billions in trade cuzz of US so called war, it's not our war.
PPP government I blame them, they are corrupt and weak and our enemies are taking advantage. Security is the priority it's shockingKayani to say CIA operatives were given visas without clearance, this is serious negligence, Kayani is responsible for this mess. Give tribal people land to air missiles to shoot drones down, train them. Drones should not fly from Pakistan territory, thousands of women and kids have died, ***** hoo in dogs par, corrupt p**s, innocent people are dying everyday. US only knows one language which is DANDA deal them with DANDA, don't rely on them for aid, IRAN is doing better without them. Pakistan has lost tens of billions in trade cuzz of US so called war, it's not our war.
Re: No Visa for US personnel without security clearence
Hum marey jatey hien, tum kehtey ho hall acha hay.
Hum marey jatey hien, tum kehtey ho hall acha hay.
Star Gazer
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: No Visa for US personnel without security clearence
drone from Afghanistan? something to think about from so many points of view, e.g that is invasion of space and an act of war, how will they manage the drones from there, their forces can hardly maintain the security for current purposes, what about the afghans, would they give a free hand or wheeling and dealing will be on top?
drone from Afghanistan? something to think about from so many points of view, e.g that is invasion of space and an act of war, how will they manage the drones from there, their forces can hardly maintain the security for current purposes, what about the afghans, would they give a free hand or wheeling and dealing will be on top?
canadian
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
canadian
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: No Visa for US personnel without security clearence
What about thousands who are already in The Country without security clearence ????????????
Is Pakistan a playground for US spies?
Usually whenever a spy is compromised, his country disowns him. But the US had the politico-military clout to come out openly to the aid of its spy. Perhaps, it has adopted an overt course in the Raymond case due to the fact that our ruling elite is in league with Washington in the deployment of its (US) spies in Pakistan. This could be the only logical explanation for the tacit permission granted by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani to our Ambassador in Washington DC to issue any number of visas to American citizens without clearance from the national security agencies and the Foreign Office. The media reports too claim that within three days of this open-ended permission, Pakistan’s Embassy in the US issued 500 visas to American nationals for various purposes. These visas were issued with one year validity, a sufficiently long period to set up an active spy network for any professional espionage operative. If “500 visas in three days” is any indication by now, there will be thousands of US undercover agents operating in Pakistan.
But what is such a large force of secret operatives doing in Pakistan? The deployment of this force of ‘spies’ on our soil certainly indicates that Pakistan is on high priority in America’s security perception. Without doubt, our security agencies should have analysed the reason for such a large influx of agents. So far, the government officials in general and our Interior Ministry in particular have been denying the existence of Blackwater in Pakistan. The Raymond episode has shattered their stand.
Now there is no doubt that besides Blackwater, there are many US agencies covertly active in Pakistan. In a talk show, a political analyst suggested that these undercover agents have been deployed in Pakistan to locate and apprehend Osama bin Laden, who America suspects is hiding somewhere in Pakistan. That is just a cover story; Osama was, reportedly, suffering from kidney failure, and was on dialysis when the US attacked Afghanistan - he may be dead. However, Washington is keeping him alive for ulterior motives. The actual targets and objectives are different.
Anyhow, it is up to our security agencies to determine the real reason of their presence. What is immediately required is that Pakistan should adopt a visible and strong policy about its collaboration with the US on the ongoing war on terror. This policy should not provide a blanket permission to the US to induct as many personnel into Pakistan as it desires. In addition, the visa latitude provided by the Prime Minister needs to be terminated immediately and normal visa procedures should be applied to visa seekers. The US Embassy and its Consulates in various cities must not be allowed to expand beyond the normal diplomatic protocols.
At the same time, the expansion of the US Embassy and its regional offices points towards a sinister design against Pakistan, its sovereignty and its territorial integrity. Surely, Washington’s primary target remains our nuclear capability and assets. Also, there is, reportedly, another design that is to instigate, abet and organise anti-Pakistan sentiments and insurgency in Balochistan, which is a policy option of the US. Unfortunately, with such a large number of spies in Pakistan that design is achievable.
The unfolding events have generated a grave tension in the Pak-US relations, and immense diplomatic pressures are on Pakistan. The Raymond affair has provided an opportunity to our leaders to play politics. If this affair is not sorted out in an amicable manner, we might be in great danger. Already our Prime Minister lacking political acumen has made Pakistan a playground for American agents. Unless this decision is reversed, many US spies will be roaming here with orders to kill anyone and everyone, who crosses their path.
Pakistan, its government and its people need to limber up and stand firm in resisting the US designs. Otherwise, the US secret agents will have a field day in Pakistan to further their designs, and we will be collectively digging our own grave.
The writer is a freelance columnist.
What about thousands who are already in The Country without security clearence ????????????
Is Pakistan a playground for US spies?
Usually whenever a spy is compromised, his country disowns him. But the US had the politico-military clout to come out openly to the aid of its spy. Perhaps, it has adopted an overt course in the Raymond case due to the fact that our ruling elite is in league with Washington in the deployment of its (US) spies in Pakistan. This could be the only logical explanation for the tacit permission granted by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani to our Ambassador in Washington DC to issue any number of visas to American citizens without clearance from the national security agencies and the Foreign Office. The media reports too claim that within three days of this open-ended permission, Pakistan’s Embassy in the US issued 500 visas to American nationals for various purposes. These visas were issued with one year validity, a sufficiently long period to set up an active spy network for any professional espionage operative. If “500 visas in three days” is any indication by now, there will be thousands of US undercover agents operating in Pakistan.
But what is such a large force of secret operatives doing in Pakistan? The deployment of this force of ‘spies’ on our soil certainly indicates that Pakistan is on high priority in America’s security perception. Without doubt, our security agencies should have analysed the reason for such a large influx of agents. So far, the government officials in general and our Interior Ministry in particular have been denying the existence of Blackwater in Pakistan. The Raymond episode has shattered their stand.
Now there is no doubt that besides Blackwater, there are many US agencies covertly active in Pakistan. In a talk show, a political analyst suggested that these undercover agents have been deployed in Pakistan to locate and apprehend Osama bin Laden, who America suspects is hiding somewhere in Pakistan. That is just a cover story; Osama was, reportedly, suffering from kidney failure, and was on dialysis when the US attacked Afghanistan - he may be dead. However, Washington is keeping him alive for ulterior motives. The actual targets and objectives are different.
Anyhow, it is up to our security agencies to determine the real reason of their presence. What is immediately required is that Pakistan should adopt a visible and strong policy about its collaboration with the US on the ongoing war on terror. This policy should not provide a blanket permission to the US to induct as many personnel into Pakistan as it desires. In addition, the visa latitude provided by the Prime Minister needs to be terminated immediately and normal visa procedures should be applied to visa seekers. The US Embassy and its Consulates in various cities must not be allowed to expand beyond the normal diplomatic protocols.
At the same time, the expansion of the US Embassy and its regional offices points towards a sinister design against Pakistan, its sovereignty and its territorial integrity. Surely, Washington’s primary target remains our nuclear capability and assets. Also, there is, reportedly, another design that is to instigate, abet and organise anti-Pakistan sentiments and insurgency in Balochistan, which is a policy option of the US. Unfortunately, with such a large number of spies in Pakistan that design is achievable.
The unfolding events have generated a grave tension in the Pak-US relations, and immense diplomatic pressures are on Pakistan. The Raymond affair has provided an opportunity to our leaders to play politics. If this affair is not sorted out in an amicable manner, we might be in great danger. Already our Prime Minister lacking political acumen has made Pakistan a playground for American agents. Unless this decision is reversed, many US spies will be roaming here with orders to kill anyone and everyone, who crosses their path.
Pakistan, its government and its people need to limber up and stand firm in resisting the US designs. Otherwise, the US secret agents will have a field day in Pakistan to further their designs, and we will be collectively digging our own grave.
The writer is a freelance columnist.
haqiqat
MPA (400+ posts)
Re: No Visa for US personnel without security clearence
just one drone on previous presidency would have solved all the problem once and for all (clap)
just one drone on previous presidency would have solved all the problem once and for all (clap)
Re: No Visa for US personnel without security clearence
Or if you can not win them than join them.
Become a 51 state of U.S, A first Muslim country to become part of America.
Weigh the benefits, As Muslims we will be able to have a say in their world affairs. Etc Etc.
Or if you can not win them than join them.
Become a 51 state of U.S, A first Muslim country to become part of America.
Weigh the benefits, As Muslims we will be able to have a say in their world affairs. Etc Etc.
karachiwala
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
How visas were issued to US personnel
Wadaich
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: How visas were issued to US personnel
لگے ہاتھوں اس جرم زید حامد، آرمی، اور آئ ایس آئ کو بھی چند ایک مغلظات سنا دی ہوتیں تو ایمان تازہ ہو گیا ہوتا و الله
karachiwala
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: How visas were issued to US personnel
What a stupid person you are my friend. Not sure how your math works and how you add 2 plus 2 to be 11. You are genius for sure its just people do not understand you. Keep up the good work some day someone will understand you!!!!
What a stupid person you are my friend. Not sure how your math works and how you add 2 plus 2 to be 11. You are genius for sure its just people do not understand you. Keep up the good work some day someone will understand you!!!!
gazoomartian
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: No Visa for US personnel without security clearence
صحیح مصرع ہے
دل کو خوش رکھنے کو غالب یہ خیال اچھا ہے
دل کو خوش رکھنے کو غالب یہ خیال اچھا ہے
(bigsmile)(bigsmile)
gazoomartian
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: No Visa for US personnel without security clearence
Americans are exaggerating to hide their embarrassment their slave country finally kicked them out of Shamsi base. Also, their statements may be for home consumption. In norther American culture winners are respected, regardless how the person.
inkey wiqaar to thes pauhnchi hai
Americans are exaggerating to hide their embarrassment their slave country finally kicked them out of Shamsi base. Also, their statements may be for home consumption. In norther American culture winners are respected, regardless how the person.
inkey wiqaar to thes pauhnchi hai
