Controversy Solved - A 200 Years Old Manuscript of Naimat Ullah Shah Wali found

[Salik]

علامہ اقبال تو یہ کہہ ہیں کہ الله تعالیٰ لوح و قلم اعطا فرما دیتے ہیں اگر کوئی حضور pbuh سے وفا کرے . بحث کس بات پے الله جسے چاہے جو مرضی عطا فرما دے . اور جس کو لوح و قلم عطا ہو جائے مستقبل دیکھنا اس کے لئے کیا معنی رکھتا ہے ؟ اور ہماری کیا اوقات ہے کہ ہم نبی کریم pbuh کے مقام اور علم پر بات کریں.وہ ادب کا مقام ہے . ہم کہیں بے دھانی میں گستاخی کے مرتکب نہ ہو جایں اور اپنی آخرت خراب کر بیٹھیں.​

Allama Iqbal , Jawab-e-Shikwa

بھائی یہ حضرات علامہ اقبال كی باتوں كو نہیں مانتے۔۔۔۔ آ پ غلط جگہ سر كھپا رہے ہیں۔۔۔

 

[Pakistani1947]

علامہ اقبال تو یہ ہیں کہ الله تعالیٰ لوح و قلم اعطا فرما دیتے ہیں اگر کوئی حضور pbuh سے وفا کرے . بحث کس بات پے الله جسے چاہے جو مرضی عطا فرما دے . اور جس کو لوح و قلم عطا ہو جائے مستقبل دیکھنا اس کے لئے کیا معنی رکھتا ہے ؟ اور ہماری کیا اوقات ہے کہ ہم نبی کریم pbuh کے مقام اور علم پر بات کریں.وہ ادب کا مقام ہے . ہم کہیں بے دھانی میں گستاخی کے مرتکب نہ ہو جایں اور اپنی آخرت خراب کر بیٹھیں.

Allama Iqbal was a poet not a Prophet so please do not quote Alama Iqbal on this matter.

Allah سبحانه و تعالى says:

قُل لَّا أَقُولُ لَكُمْ عِندِي خَزَائِنُ اللَّهِ وَلَا أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ وَلَا أَقُولُ لَكُمْ إِنِّي مَلَكٌ ۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰ إِلَيَّ ۚ قُلْ هَلْ يَسْتَوِي الْأَعْمَىٰ وَالْبَصِيرُ ۚ أَفَلَا تَتَفَكَّرُونَ (Al-Anaam,6:50)
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Yusuf Ali 50: Say: "I tell you not that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me." Say: "can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not? (Al-Anaam,6:50)
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کہہ دو میں تم سے یہ نہیں کہتا کہ میرے پاس الله کے خزانے ہیں اور نہ میں غیب کا علم رکھتا ہوں اور نہ یہ کہتا ہوں کہ میں فرشتہ ہوں میں تو صرف اس وحی کی پیروی کرتا ہوں جو مجھ پر نازل کی جاتی ہے کہہ دو کیا اندھا اور آنکھوں والا دونوں برابر ہو سکتے ہیں کیا تم غور نہیں کرتے
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قُل لَّا أَمْلِكُ لِنَفْسِي نَفْعًا وَلَا ضَرًّا إِلَّا مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ ۚ وَلَوْ كُنتُ أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ لَاسْتَكْثَرْتُ مِنَ الْخَيْرِ وَمَا مَسَّنِيَ السُّوءُ ۚ إِنْ أَنَا إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ وَبَشِيرٌ لِّقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ
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Yusuf Ali 188: Say: "I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah willeth. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil should have touched me: I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith." (Al-Araf, 7:188)​

کہہ دو میں اپنی ذات کے نفع و نقصان کا بھی مالک نہیں مگرجو الله چاہے اور اگر میں غیب کی بات جان سکتا تو بہت کچھ بھلائیاں حاصل کر لیتا اور مجھے تکلیف نہ پہنچتی میں تو محض ڈرانے والا اور خوشخبری دینے والا ہوں ان لوگوں کو جو ایمان دار ہیں
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So who should we believe; Alama Iqbal or Allah!!!

Whoever insists that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) knows the unseen, either he does not believe in Allah words who says to them that no one knows the unseen but Him (سبحانه) and in addition he does not believe the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) who the aya commands him to clarify this matter to those who believe that He may know the unseen.

The fact that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) fortold about future incidents does not mean that he knows the unseen. It means that Allah showed him only what he allowed to be a sign of his Prophethood and due to its direct relation to various commands.

 

[Pakistani1947]

بھائی یہ حضرات علامہ اقبال كی باتوں كو نہیں مانتے۔۔۔۔ آ پ غلط جگہ سر كھپا رہے ہیں۔۔۔

If Alama Iqbal says something which contradicts Allah saying in Quraan then I would prefer to follow Allah. And I would advise to do so!

 

[Salik]

If Alama Iqbal says something which contradicts Allah saying in Quraan then I would prefer to follow Allah. And I would advise to do so!

I am still waiting for my answer???

Can a person see future in his dream???

Yes or No????

 

[ahmadalikhan]

If Alama Iqbal says something which contradicts Allah saying in Quraan then I would prefer to follow Allah. And I would advise to do so!

میرا آپ سے سادہ سا سوال ہے آپ غیب کس کو کہتے ہو ؟ کیا جو آنے والا کل ہے کیا وہ غیب ہے؟ یعنی کل جو کچھ ہو گا وہ پہلے سے لکھا ہوا ہے یا نہیں ؟​

 

[Salik]

میرا آپ سے سادہ سا سوال ہے آپ غیب کس کو کہتے ہو ؟ کیا جو آنے والا کل ہے کیا وہ غیب ہے؟ یعنی کل جو کچھ ہو گا وہ پہلے سے لکھا ہوا ہے یا نہیں ؟​

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wo shaid ap ko is sawal ka jawab dain gai hi nahe............... it would be difficult for him to utter a simple yes....

I am still waiting for my answer???

Can a person see future in his dream???

Yes or No????

 

[ahmadalikhan]

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ان لوگوں کو یہ نہیں پتہ کہ جس غیب کا ذکر قرآن پاک میں ہے اس کا ظہور نہیں ہے چاہے کچھ ہو جائے الله غیب کو ظاہر نہیں کرتا مگر یہ جو مستقبل میں ہونے والا ہے یہ تو الله کائنات بنانے سے پچاس ہزار سال پہلے لکھ چکا ہے جو ظاہر ہو رہا ہے لمحہ با لمحہ یعنی آج تک جو کچھ ظاہر ہو چکا وہ پہلے سے لکھا ہوا تھا لوح محفوظ میں ، اگر غیب ہوتا تو ظاہر نہ ہوتا . قرآن پاک کی آیات بھی یہی بتا رہی ہیں کہ غیب کا کسی کو پتا نہیں چل سکتا اس کا علم صرف صرف الله کو ہے. مگر یہ فیوچر تو ایک ریکارڈڈ چیز ہے جو ظاہر ہو رہا ہے. یہ مسلم شریف کی حدیث ہے کہ زمین و آسمان بنانے سےپچاس ہزار سال پہلے الله نے تقدیریں لکھ دیں تھیں.
کاش الله انہیں قرآن کو سمجھنے کی توفیق دے سیدھی سی باتیں انہیں سمجھ نہیں آتی یا یہ سمجھنا نہیں چاہتے.​

 

[Pakistani1947]

میرا آپ سے سادہ سا سوال ہے آپ غیب کس کو کہتے ہو ؟ کیا جو آنے والا کل ہے کیا وہ غیب ہے؟ یعنی کل جو کچھ ہو گا وہ پہلے سے لکھا ہوا ہے یا نہیں ؟​

Generally known definition of Ilm-e-Ghaib is "Knowledge of Unknown is called Elum e Ghaib"

Correct Definition of Elum e Ghaib is knowledge of unknown WITH OUT ANY SOURCE is called Elum e Ghaib.

First we need to understand the true definition of Ilm-e-Ghaib it will help us in understanding Ayats.

Quran:13.Ar-Ra'd: 8-9

اللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ مَا تَحْمِلُ كُلُّ أُنثَىٰ وَمَا تَغِيضُ الْأَرْحَامُ وَمَا تَزْدَادُ ۖ وَكُلُّ شَيْءٍ عِندَهُ بِمِقْدَارٍ
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Yusuf Ali 8: Allah doth know what every female (womb) doth bear, by how much the wombs fall short (of their time or number) or do exceed. Every single thing is before His sight, in (due) proportion.

الله کو معلوم ہے کہ جو کچھ ہر مادہ اپنے پیٹ میں لیے ہوئے ہے اورجو کچھ پیٹ میں سکڑتا اور بڑھتا ہے اور اس کے ہاں ہر چیز کا اندازہ ہے
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عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ الْكَبِيرُ الْمُتَعَالِ
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Yusuf Ali 9: He knoweth the unseen and that which is open: He is the Great, the Most High.

پوشیدہ اور ظاہر کا جاننے والا ہے سب سے بڑا بلند مرتبہ ہے
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Quran:Luqman, 31:34

إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنَزِّلُ الْغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْأَرْحَامِ ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَّاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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Yusuf Ali 34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things).

بے شک الله ہی کو قیامت کی خبر ہے اور وہی مینہ برساتا ہے اور وہی جانتا ہے جو کچھ ماؤں کے پیٹوں میں ہوتا ہے اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کل کیا کرے گا اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کس زمین پر مرے گا بے شک الله جاننے والا خبردار ہے
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Here Quran is referring to Elum e Ghaib means no one has the knowledge of Unseen except ALLAH . Allah gave example of Womb of mother that you don,t know what is in womb of mother because you don't know unseen. Like saying that you don't know what is behind wall.

Here source comes :

When u see what is in womb of mother through some source (for example, Ultra sound) then it is no more unseen. You are seeing it through some source then you are telling what is in womb of mother it is not knowledge of unseen because you are knowing it through some source.
Quraan didn't say that u cannot invent such tool which can see that what is in womb of mother. Quraan is referring to unseen.

When your are telling what is happening behind wall and in Afghanistan through media or any other source Then this Elum will not be consider as Elum e Ghaib.

Quran 72:26-27

عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا-إِلَّا مَنِ ارْتَضَىٰ مِن رَّسُولٍ فَإِنَّهُ يَسْلُكُ مِن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ رَصَدًا
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Yusuf Ali 26-27: "He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,- "Except an apostle whom He has chosen: and then He makes a band of watchers march before him and behind him,

وہ غیب جاننے والا ہے اپنے غائب کی باتوں پر کسی کو واقف نہیں کرتا- مگر اپنے پسندیدہ رسول کو پھراس کے آگے اور پیچھے محافظ مقرر کر دیتا ہے​

Quran Al-'Imran, 3:44

ذَ*ٰلِكَ مِنْ أَنبَاءِ الْغَيْبِ نُوحِيهِ إِلَيْكَ ۚ وَمَا كُنتَ لَدَيْهِمْ إِذْ يُلْقُونَ أَقْلَامَهُمْ أَيُّهُمْ يَكْفُلُ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا كُنتَ لَدَيْهِمْ إِذْ يَخْتَصِمُونَ
Yusuf Ali 44: This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Messenger.) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).

یہ غیب کی خبریں ہیں ہم بذریعہ وحی تمہیں اطلاع دیتے ہیں اورتو ان کے پاس نہیں تھا جب اپنا قلم ڈالنے لگے تھے کہ مریم کی کون پرورش کرے اور تو ان کے پاس نہیں تھا جب کہ وہ جھگڑتے تھے
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Today I know what happened with ESSA(a.s) how ADAM(a.s) and HAWA(a.s) expelled from Janat. What will happen after death.These are all news of unseen and Allah gave me this knowledge of unseen and my source is QURAN. I will never say that I have keys of Unseen because am using source and am knowing through some source

Quran:81.At-Takwir: 24

وَمَا هُوَ عَلَى الْغَيْبِ بِضَنِينٍ
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Yusuf Ali 24: Neither doth he withhold grudgingly a knowledge of the Unseen.
Shakir 24: Nor of the unseen is he a tenacious concealer.
Pickthal 24: And he is not avid of the Unseen.
Mohsin Khan: 24: And he (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) withholds not a knowledge of the Unseen.

اور وہ غیب کی باتوں پر بخیل نہیں ہے
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Quran Anaam, 165:59

وَعِندَهُ مَفَاتِحُ الْغَيْبِ لَا يَعْلَمُهَا إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ ۚ وَمَا تَسْقُطُ مِن وَرَقَةٍ إِلَّا يَعْلَمُهَا وَلَا حَبَّةٍ فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الْأَرْضِ وَلَا رَطْبٍ وَلَا يَابِسٍ إِلَّا فِي كِتَابٍ مُّبِينٍ
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Yusuf Ali 59: With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read).

اور اسی کے پاس غیب کی کنجیاں ہیں جنہیں اس کےسوا کوئی نہیں جانتا جو کچھ جنگل اور دریا میں ہے وہ سب جانتا ہے اور کوئی پتہ نہیں گرتا مگر وہ اسے بھی جانتاہے اور کوئی دانہ زمین کے تاریک حصوں میں نہیں پڑتا اور نہ کوئی تر اور خشک چیز ہے مگر یہ سب کچھ کتاب روشن میں ہیں
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Quran,Yusuf,12:102

ذَ*ٰلِكَ مِنْ أَنبَاءِ الْغَيْبِ نُوحِيهِ إِلَيْكَ ۖ وَمَا كُنتَ لَدَيْهِمْ إِذْ أَجْمَعُوا أَمْرَهُمْ وَهُمْ يَمْكُرُونَ
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Yusuf Ali 102: Such is one of the stories of what happened unseen, which We reveal by inspiration unto thee; nor wast thou (present) with them then when they concerted their plans together in the process of weaving their plots.

یہ غیب کی خبریں کہیں جو ہم تیرے ہاں بھیجتے ہیں اور تو ان کے پاس نہیں تھا جب کہ انہوں نے اپنا ارادہ پکا کر لیا اور وہ تدبیریں کر رہے تھے
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In 81:24 ALLAH clearly said that Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) is not the with-holder of Unseen means he (صلى الله عليه وسلم) don't have the knowledge of unseen rather I am giving him some news and some knowledge of Unseen he (صلى الله عليه وسلم) is getting his knowldege through source through Wahi.

Allah has given him (صلى الله عليه وسلم) some special limited knowledge which was unseen for Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم). Whole QURAN was totally unseen but Allah gave Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) that unseen knowledge . Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) source was different and our source was Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم).

Nither We nor Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) got knowledge without any Source. Sourceless and unlimited knowledge of Unseen is only with Allah and which is real Elum e Ghaib.

Some people in Josh of "Ishq e Rasool" and in reality in hatred of some sect
do GHULU openly say that Nabi (صلى الله عليه وسلم) knwowledge was LA-MEHDOOD Limitless and his own Which is pure Shirk e Akbar


O People of the Kitaab! Do not commit ghulu' (excess) in your Deen and do not speak about Allah, but the Haqq (truth) (Surah Nisaa, 4:171)

يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا تَغْلُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ إِلَّا الْحَقَّ ۚ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ ۚ انتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَـٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۖ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ ۘ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلًا
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Yusuf Ali 171: O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (Surah Nisaa, 4:171)

اے اہِل کتاب تم اپنے دین میں حد سے نہ نکلو اور الله کی شان میں سوائے پکی بات کے نہ کہو بے شک مسیح عیسیٰ مریم کا بیٹا الله کا رسول ہے اور الله کا ایک کلمہ ہےجسے الله نے مریم تک پہنچایا اور الله کی طرف سے ایک جان ہے سو الله پر اور اس کے سب رسولوں پر ایمان لاؤ اور نہ کہو کہ خدا تین ہیں اس بات کو چھوڑ دو تمہارے لیے بہتر ہو گا بے شک الله اکیلا معبود ہے وہ اس سے پاک ہے اس کی اولاد ہو اسی کا ہے جو کچھ آسمانوں میں ہے اور جو کچھ زمین میں ہے اور الله کارساز کافی ہے
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KNOWLEDGE OF UNSEEN OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (SAWS) IN THE LIGHT OF QURAN AND AHADITH

Allah (SWT) knows about Himself and knows everything about His creations. In this category, there is nothing 'Unseen' for Allah (SWT). Therefore, whenever we talk about 'Unseen', it will be with reference to creatures and not with reference to Allah (SWT).

(1) It is in Quran - " Say (O'Prophet - SAWS) I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah (SWT) wills. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good and no evil should have touched me. I am but a warner and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith". ( Al-Araf- 188).

(2) It is in Quran - " With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knows but He. He knows whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read)". ( Al-An'aam - 59).

(3) It is in quran - " (Say O'Prophet - SAWS) None in the heavens or on earth, except Allah (SWT), knows what is hidden; nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment) - (An-Namal - 65).

(4) It is in Quran - "Aalimul Ghaibi wash Shahadah" (Al-Hashr - 22) - meaning Allah (SWT) knows everything that is hidden and visible to His creatures.

The above Quranic verses confirm the fact that Allah (SWT) knows the minutest details about His creatures. He also knows about the creatures who will be created in future or the creatures that will remain hidden from the people (for ever). Thus we cannot refer knowledge of Unseen towards Allah (SWT). For Him, everything is "seen".

When Allah (SWT) says He has the knowledge of unseen, it means that He has knowledge about everything that is unseen by human beings. Therefore, the reference of 'unseen' is related to Human beings, not with Allah (SWT).

There are different categories of Knowledge of Unseen given by Allah (SWT) to his chosen servants.

It is in Quran - 'Those who believe on the 'Unseen', and establish Salah and spend from what We (Allah - SWT) has given them. (Al-Baqara - 3).

(i) In the first category of Unseen, Allah (SWT) bestows the knowledge about (a) Himself (Zaat), (b) His attributes (Sifaat), (c) how the cosmos was created, (d) how life is being nurtured in the cosmos, (e) what is the purpose of our creation and (f) what is the right path for our salvation. This knowledge of 'Unseen' is generally bestowed upon the Prophets.
In this category, 'the knowledge of Unseen' in its most comprehensive and absolute format, is naturally associated with Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) as he is 'Sayyidul Anbiyaa' (SAWS) (Chief of All Prophets - Alaihis salaam ajma'een) and 'Sayyidul Khalaa'eq' (Master/origin/root of all Creations) and "Rahmatul lil Aalameen" (Mercy upon all worlds).

It is in Quran - "Wa allamat ma'alam takun ta'alam - meaning 'And We (Allah -SWT) taught you (O'Prophet - SAWS) about the things you did not know'.

It is in Quran – ‘ The Unity of Allah (SWT) is pure, who took His Servant (Mohammad Rasulullah –SAWS) in one night from the honored mosque (Masjid-e-Haraam) to the Al Aqsa mosque around which We have given abundance of virtue, so that We (Allah - SWT) show him our signs and traces of Omnipotence (which were unseen by any one in the cosmos). Without doubt He is the (only) one who sees and listens.’ (Bani Isra’el – 1).

It is in Quran – ‘The Mighty in power (Allah –SWT) has offered him (Prophet Mohammad –SAWS) the knowledge. So (equipped), he stood well poised. (With the perfect vision attained) at the highest horizon. Then he (the Prophet –SAWS) approached closer and hung (by Allah -SWT). Then (both) closed up like two bows, and indeed more closely. And He revealed to His servant (Prophet Mohammad –SAWS) What He wanted to reveal. The heart of Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) did not distrust what he saw. Will you people wrangle over what he beheld (saw). For indeed he beheld Him (Allah –SWT) yet again. Near the Lote tree lying farthest beyond which no one can go. Lying close to the Heaven of Rest. When the Lote tree was being enveloped by what it was to be enveloped with (a mystery not disclosed). His (Prophet Mohammad –SAWS) sight did not blink or did it miss anything. Indeed he saw clearly the greatest of the signs of his Lord’. (An-Najm – 1-18).

It is in Hadith (Tirmidhi and Mishkaat) - It is narrated by Hazrat Ibn Abbas (RU), he said that the Prophet (SAWS) said - 'My Sustainer came to me in a very good face and said, O'Mohammad (SAWS), I submitted 'Yes, my Sustainer (Rab), present', He said, do you know that the sublime angels argue with each other in what?, I submitted, I do not know'. Then He placed His hands of Omnipotence (Dust-e-Qudrah) in between my shoulders and I found the coolness of the hand into my chest and then I knew whatever there is, in the skies and the earth.

It is in Hadith - the Prophet (SAWS) said 'Ooteetul ilmal awwaleena wal Aakhireen" (Meaning - I have been bestowed with the knowledge of the past (present) and future creations.

Prominent scholars like al-Haytami, al-Qari, Abu’l Su`ud, and many others stated that the Prophet (SAWS) had knowledge of everything encompassed in the tablet and pen.
The sources of knowledge of Unseen of Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) are: (a) Direct, (b) Indirect, and (c) Prophetic Vision.

Direct Knowledge - The above Ahadith and verses refer to the direct knowledge bestowed upon him.

Indirect knowledge - The Quran, was sent to Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) as official document via Hazrat Jibreel (AS).

Prophetic Vision - In addition to the above two sources, the knowledge of Unseen was disclosed to Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) by way of "Prophetic vision". In this category, the World of Souls (Aalam-e-Arwah), the World of Similitude (Aalam-e-Mithaal) and Prophetic Dreams are included.

There are many Ahadith that describe the events unfolded in the past or that will happen in future till the Day of Resurrection and beyond. This knowledge was bestowed to Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) directly from "Ilm-e-Elahi" (Allah's -SWT knowledge). Under this category he might have witnessed how things unfolded in the past or will happen in future. Or may be he was simply informed about them by Allah (SWT) directly.

It is in Hadith - Abu Dharr (RU) narrates; “When the Messenger of Allah (SAWS) left us, there was not a bird that flies in the sky but that he had given us some knowledge about it.” (Ibn Hanbal & Tabarani)

It is in Hadith - Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) said that “Uthman (RU) will be martyred whilst reciting Quran. Perhaps Allah (SWT) will have him wearing a shirt. They will want to remove it and his blood will fall on the words of Allah (SWT)” (Bukhari & Muslim).

It is in Hadith - Anas (RU) narrates that the Beloved Messenger of Allah (SAWS), Abu Bakr Siddeeq (RU), Umar bin Khattab (RU) and Uthman bin Affan (RU) were climbing Mount Uhud. The mountain shook from under them, the Beloved Messenger of Allah (SAWS) said ‘Be firm Uhud, a Prophet, a Truthful person (Siddeeq) and Two martyrs are walking on you” (Bukhari & Ibn Majah).

Why Quran was sent via Hazrat Jibreel (AS)?

It is for the simple reason that people should see from their eyes how official documents are sent to Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) from Allah (SWT).

(ii) The second category of the knowledge of Unseen is related with As-haab-e-Rasulullah (SAWS), and Awliya Allah.

In this category, certain things are disclosed to the select people by Prophet Mohammad (SAWS). It is in Sahih Hadith, Prophet (SAWS) disclosed the names of the hypocrites (Munafiqun) to one of his companions, Hadhrat Hudhaifa al-Yamani (RU) .

Similarly, certain things are disclosed to Awliya Allah by way of 'unveiling' (Kashf / vision), dreams, etc. On Some favorites of Allah, Aalam-e-Mithaal /Aalam-e-Barzaq are opened. They can see everything and can communicate with the people there.

It is in Quran - "Behold the friends of Allah -SWT! On them shall come no fear, nor shall they grieve. These are they, who have believed in Allah-SWT and are mindful of (close to) Him and (have consequently abstained from everything evil). To them tidings come (from Allah -SWT) of a happy life both in this world and in Hereafter. The word of Allah -SWT is never revoked. This in itself is a great felicity (Younus - 62-64).
There are certain big categories of Awliya Allah who are known as al-Aqtaab and al-Abdaal. The biggest among them is known as Ghouse.

Muslims consider Imam Abu Hanifa (r) as Imam-e-Azam. Similarly among Sufi Shaikhs, Hazrat Shaikh Abdul Qaader Jeelani (r) is known as Ghousul Azam.

Some Muslims do not know or understand about the above categorization of Awliya Allah. They are not aware of special beneficence of Allah (SWT) upon them. Some Muslim sects, particularly Salafis and their like minded groups, deny the above status of Awliya Allah and make fun of these titles. What can we say about these people except that they would like to remain ignorant from Quran and Sunnah. They do not realize that these titles were given to them by Allah (SWT) and Prophet Mohammad (SAWS).

It is in Hadith - Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal narrates in his Musnad (1:112).

The people of Syria were mentioned in front of Hazrat Ali ibn Abi Talib (RU) when he was in Iraq, and they said: "Curse them, O' Commander of the Believers." He replied: "No, I heard the Messenger of Allah (SAWS) say: The "al-abdaal" (the big spiritual rank of Awliya Allah - translated in English as 'Substitutes') are in Syria and they are forty men, every time one of them dies, Allah (SWT) substitutes another in his place. By means of them Allah (SWT) brings down the rain, gives (Muslims) victory over their enemies, and averts punishment from the people of Syria."

Al-Haythami said: "The men (narrators) in this Hadith's chains are all those of the Sahih except for Sharih ibn 'Ubayd, and he is (indeed) trustworthy (Thiqa)."

Sakhawi also mentions this narration in his Maqasid (p. 33 #8).

This Hadith confirms the titles of Awliya Allah, their status among Muslims and reiterates that because of them Allah (SWT) " brings down the rain, gives Muslims victory over their enemies". This shows that Allah (SWT) loves his Awliya Allah and because of them many things are given to people.

Ibn Taymiyyah has expressed doubts on this Hadith and said that these may be the words of Hazrat Ali (RU).

Even if Ibn Taymiyyah considers these words to be of Hazrat Ali (RU); this Hadith must be accepted by all Salafis and their like minded people because, we all know that all Ahadith books also contain sayings of important As-haabe Rasulullah (SAWS). And Hadith Scholars and experts of the Science of Ahadith are united that anything "authentically conveyed from any of the Companions is also considered as acceptable (on par with Ahadith)."

Let us see some more Ahadith in this context that are not disputed by any of the Muslim sects.

It is in Hadith - Tabarani said in his Mu'jam al-Awsat - that Anas (RU) said that the Prophet (SAWS) said: "The earth will never lack forty men similar to the Friend of the Merciful (Prophet Ibrahim - AS) and through them people receive rain and are given help. None of them dies except Allah (SWT) substitutes (Abdaal) another in his place."

Commenting on the above Hadith, Qatada said: "We do not doubt that Al-Hasan al-Basri is one of them (abdaal)."

Ibn Hibban also narrates this Hadith in al-Tarikh through Abu Hurayra as: "The earth will never lack forty men similar to Ibrahim (AS) the Friend of the Merciful, and through whom you are helped, receive your sustenance, and receive rain."

Imam Ahmad narrated another Hadith in his Musnad (5:322) through Ibn Ata: The Prophet (SAWS) said: "The Substitutes (Abdaal) in this Community are thirty like Ibrahim (AS) the Friend of the Merciful. Every time one of them dies, Allah (SWT) substitutes another one in his place."

Tirmidhi cites the above Hadith in Nawadir al-Usul and Imam Ahmad's student, Al-Khallal, has mentioned this Hadith in his book Karamat al-Awliya'.

It is in Hadith - Abu Dawud has mentioned the following Hadith through three different authentic chains in his book "Sunan" Chapter -"Book of the Mahdi" (English #4273), and Imam Ahmad has mentioned this Hadith in his Musnad (6:316), and Ibn Abi Shayba has mentioned this Hadith in his Musannaf.

Abu Ya'la, al-Hakim, and Bayhaqi narrated that Umm Salama (RA) the wife of the Prophet (SAWS) related that the Prophet (SAWS) said: "Disagreement will occur at the death of a Caliph and a person from the people of Madina will come forth flying to Makka. Some of the people of Makka will come to him, bring him out against his will, and swear allegiance to him between the Corner and the Maqaam (of Khana-e-Ka'aba). An expeditionary force will then be sent against him from Syria but will be swallowed up in the desert between Makka and Madina; and when the people see that, the Substitutes (abdaal) of Syria and the best people of Iraq will come to him and swear allegiance (bay'a on his hands) to him between the rukn and the maqaam..." (of Khana-e-Kaaba).

This Hadith establishes 'Karamat-e-Awliya Allah", that they can travel flying long distances within seconds and can communicate with people located at far off places.

Who is the person (came flying from Madinah to Makka) the Prophet (SAWS) is referring in the Hadith? (He may be) The Ghouse at that time.

There is a mention of people doing "bay'a" (Promise of allegiance) on the hands of this person in the Hadith. Promise of allegiance is done by all Muslims on the hands of the Khalifa-e-Islam only. Then why everyone, who new about the status of this person, went to do bay'a on his hands?

The Hadith establishes the following important facts.

There are two Khalifa-e-Islam. One is hidden and the other is apparent. The hidden Khalifa-e-Islam is also known as Ghouse. In the early Caliphate there was no need for two Khalifa-e-Islam. The four rightful Caliphs served the purpose of both Caliphates, hidden and apparent. After these rightful Caliphs, the 'apparent' Caliphate went into the hands of worldly monarchs. And the hidden Caliphate continued with the pious and deserving As-habe-Rasulullah; and after them, the deserving Awliya-e-Kubaar.

Ghouse will continue to come in the world till the Day of Resurrection. Imam Mahdi (AS), who will appear before Qiyamah, is considered to be among the major Aghwaas / rightful Caliph of Mohammad Rasulullah (SAWS) who will hold both the Caliphates, hidden as well as 'apparent'.

It is in Hadith - Imam Ahmad mentioned this Hadith in Kitab al-zuhd, also Ibn Abi al-Dunya, Abu Nu'aym, Bayhaqi, and Ibn 'Asakir narrated it - Wahb ibn Munabbih said: I saw the Prophet (SAWS) in my sleep, so I said: "Ya Rasulallah (SAWS), where are the Substitutes (abdaal) of your Community?" So he gestured with his hand towards Syria. I said: "Ya Rasulallah (SAWS), aren't there any in Iraq?" He said: "Yes, Muhammad ibn Wasi`, Hassan ibn Abi Sinan, and Malik ibn Dinar, who walk among the people similarly to Abu Dharr in his time."

The above Hadith confirms the following two things.

(a) Calling Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) as 'Ya Rasulullah (SAWS)' is a must. It is important because the great Imams of Fiqh and Ahadith ( Imam Ahmad, Ibn Abi al-Dunya, Abu Nu'aym, Bayhaqi, Ibn Asakir, etc. ) have mentioned this in their books and all their books were written after the death of Prophet Mohammad (SAWS).

Calling Prophet (SAWS) as 'Ya Rasulullah, Ya Habeeballah, Ya Mohammad, Ya Habeebana, Ya Mustafa (SAWS) (after his death) is also confirmed by Tirmizi, Nasa'i, Ibn Huzeema, Hakim and Baihaqi.

The following supplication (Dua) is mentioned in the books of all these Hadith scholars. The Dua also confirms that we must supplicate (make Dua') by taking the Waseelah of Prophet Mohammad (SAWS). As a matter of fact our Dua will not be accepted by Allah (SWT) if we do not send Durood on Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) before and after the Dua and seek Allah's favor by the mediation (Waseelah) of Prophet Mohammad (SAWS).

Allahumma inni as'aluka wa atwajjahu elaika bi habeebikal Mustafa indaka ya habeebana ya mohammadi inna natawassalu bika ila rabbika fashfa'a lanaa indal maulal a'zeemi ya ni'amar rasoolut tahiru. Allahumma shaffi'ahu feena bijaahihi indaka". (Tirmidhi, Nasai, Tabrani, Ibn Huzeema, Hakim, Baihaqi, and Salafi Scholar Al-Bani)

(Meaning - O'Allah (SWT) I implore, I beg to you with the mediation (waseelah) of your revered beloved (Prophet -SAWS) who is chosen by you. O' Beloved of the Al-mighty, O' Mohammad (SAWS) we implore to Allah (SWT) with your mediation (Waseelah). Kindly mediate (shafa'a) for us with the Exalted Almighty Allah. O' Sacred Apostle (SAWS), O' Allah (SWT), kindly accept the intercession (Shafa'a) of our Prophet (SAWS) for us in view of the "honor and grace (bi jaahihi indaka)" he has with you.

(b) Existence of great Awliya Allah in the world has been confirmed by Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) in this Hadith.

However, Awliya Allah and all their related issues remain hidden from general people. Those of us who have been bestowed with Islamic vision (kashf / unveiling) can recognize these Awliya Allah. The Hadith also indicates that an efficient hidden Administration of Allah (SWT) is in operation which is known only to a select few of us.

Nawawi in his book Bustan al-'arifin (1985 ed. p. 31) has mentioned that Muhaddith Hammad ibn Salama ibn Dinar (d. 167) was considered to be one of the abdaal.

Sakhawi in his narrations of the abdaal in his Maqasid (p. 33 #8) has stated:

QUOTE - What makes this Hadith (narrated by Hazrat Ali Ibne Abi Talib - RU mentioned above) stronger and indicates its currency among the Imams is the statement of our Imam, al-Shafi`i, concerning a certain person: "We considered him one of the abdaal".

Also, Bukhari's statement concerning another person: "They did not doubt that he was one of the abdaal."

And other than these two (among the highly acclaimed Imams), Qatada and Wahb also used to refer to certain people - stating that they were from the abdaal. UNQUOTE

Muslims should learn to respect Awliya Allah because they are not only favorites of Allah (SWT) but have been given special assignments in the world as is evident from the above Ahadith and Quranic verses.

 

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میرا آپ سے سادہ سا سوال ہے آپ غیب کس کو کہتے ہو ؟ کیا جو آنے والا کل ہے کیا وہ غیب ہے؟ یعنی کل جو کچھ ہو گا وہ پہلے سے لکھا ہوا ہے یا نہیں ؟​

إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنَزِّلُ الْغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْأَرْحَامِ ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَّاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
Yusuf Ali 34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things).

بے شک الله ہی کو قیامت کی خبر ہے اور وہی مینہ برساتا ہے اور وہی جانتا ہے جو کچھ ماؤں کے پیٹوں میں ہوتا ہے اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کل کیا کرے گا اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کس زمین پر مرے گا بے شک الله جاننے والا خبردار ہے
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Allah has explained it in very simple words. Nobody knows what is inside the womb except Allah. If you see what is in womb of mother through some source (for example, Ultra sound) then it is no more unseen. You are seeing it through some source then you are telling what is in womb of mother it is not knowledge of unseen because you are knowing it through some source. But if your Peer Naimat Ullah Shah tells you without using any source (for example ultra sound) then he is Kazab because he is clearly negating the above Quraanic verse.

If your Peer Naimat Ullah Shah gives us the exact date of the doomsday ( قیامت) then he is Kazab.

If your Peer Naimat Ullah Shah tell you that what day he will die (as commonly mentioned in fabricated Sufi stories) then he is Kazab.

 

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Pakistani1947 STOP Misguiding people and save urself . instead of repeating the same things over and over come up with a logical argument !

Generally known definition of Ilm-e-Ghaib is "Knowledge of Unknown is called Elum e Ghaib"

Correct Definition of Elum e Ghaib is knowledge of unknown WITH OUT ANY SOURCE is called Elum e Ghaib.

First we need to understand the true definition of Ilm-e-Ghaib it will help us in understanding Ayats.

Quran:13.Ar-Ra'd: 8-9

اللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ مَا تَحْمِلُ كُلُّ أُنثَىٰ وَمَا تَغِيضُ الْأَرْحَامُ وَمَا تَزْدَادُ ۖ وَكُلُّ شَيْءٍ عِندَهُ بِمِقْدَارٍ
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Yusuf Ali 8: Allah doth know what every female (womb) doth bear, by how much the wombs fall short (of their time or number) or do exceed. Every single thing is before His sight, in (due) proportion.

الله کو معلوم ہے کہ جو کچھ ہر مادہ اپنے پیٹ میں لیے ہوئے ہے اورجو کچھ پیٹ میں سکڑتا اور بڑھتا ہے اور اس کے ہاں ہر چیز کا اندازہ ہے
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عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ الْكَبِيرُ الْمُتَعَالِ
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Yusuf Ali 9: He knoweth the unseen and that which is open: He is the Great, the Most High.

پوشیدہ اور ظاہر کا جاننے والا ہے سب سے بڑا بلند مرتبہ ہے
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Quran:Luqman, 31:34

إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنَزِّلُ الْغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْأَرْحَامِ ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَّاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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Yusuf Ali 34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things).

بے شک الله ہی کو قیامت کی خبر ہے اور وہی مینہ برساتا ہے اور وہی جانتا ہے جو کچھ ماؤں کے پیٹوں میں ہوتا ہے اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کل کیا کرے گا اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کس زمین پر مرے گا بے شک الله جاننے والا خبردار ہے
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Here Quran is referring to Elum e Ghaib means no one has the knowledge of Unseen except ALLAH . Allah gave example of Womb of mother that you don,t know what is in womb of mother because you don't know unseen. Like saying that you don't know what is behind wall.

Here source comes :

When u see what is in womb of mother through some source (for example, Ultra sound) then it is no more unseen. You are seeing it through some source then you are telling what is in womb of mother it is not knowledge of unseen because you are knowing it through some source.
Quraan didn't say that u cannot invent such tool which can see that what is in womb of mother. Quraan is referring to unseen.

When your are telling what is happening behind wall and in Afghanistan through media or any other source Then this Elum will not be consider as Elum e Ghaib.

Quran 72:26-27

عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا-إِلَّا مَنِ ارْتَضَىٰ مِن رَّسُولٍ فَإِنَّهُ يَسْلُكُ مِن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ رَصَدًا
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Yusuf Ali 26-27: "He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,- "Except an apostle whom He has chosen: and then He makes a band of watchers march before him and behind him,

وہ غیب جاننے والا ہے اپنے غائب کی باتوں پر کسی کو واقف نہیں کرتا- مگر اپنے پسندیدہ رسول کو پھراس کے آگے اور پیچھے محافظ مقرر کر دیتا ہے​

Quran Al-'Imran, 3:44

ذَ*ٰلِكَ مِنْ أَنبَاءِ الْغَيْبِ نُوحِيهِ إِلَيْكَ ۚ وَمَا كُنتَ لَدَيْهِمْ إِذْ يُلْقُونَ أَقْلَامَهُمْ أَيُّهُمْ يَكْفُلُ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا كُنتَ لَدَيْهِمْ إِذْ يَخْتَصِمُونَ
Yusuf Ali 44: This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Messenger.) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).

یہ غیب کی خبریں ہیں ہم بذریعہ وحی تمہیں اطلاع دیتے ہیں اورتو ان کے پاس نہیں تھا جب اپنا قلم ڈالنے لگے تھے کہ مریم کی کون پرورش کرے اور تو ان کے پاس نہیں تھا جب کہ وہ جھگڑتے تھے
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Today I know what happened with ESSA(a.s) how ADAM(a.s) and HAWA(a.s) expelled from Janat. What will happen after death.These are all news of unseen and Allah gave me this knowledge of unseen and my source is QURAN. I will never say that I have keys of Unseen because am using source and am knowing through some source

Quran:81.At-Takwir: 24

وَمَا هُوَ عَلَى الْغَيْبِ بِضَنِينٍ
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Yusuf Ali 24: Neither doth he withhold grudgingly a knowledge of the Unseen.
Shakir 24: Nor of the unseen is he a tenacious concealer.
Pickthal 24: And he is not avid of the Unseen.
Mohsin Khan: 24: And he (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) withholds not a knowledge of the Unseen.

اور وہ غیب کی باتوں پر بخیل نہیں ہے
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Quran Anaam, 165:59

وَعِندَهُ مَفَاتِحُ الْغَيْبِ لَا يَعْلَمُهَا إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ ۚ وَمَا تَسْقُطُ مِن وَرَقَةٍ إِلَّا يَعْلَمُهَا وَلَا حَبَّةٍ فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الْأَرْضِ وَلَا رَطْبٍ وَلَا يَابِسٍ إِلَّا فِي كِتَابٍ مُّبِينٍ
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Yusuf Ali 59: With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read).

اور اسی کے پاس غیب کی کنجیاں ہیں جنہیں اس کےسوا کوئی نہیں جانتا جو کچھ جنگل اور دریا میں ہے وہ سب جانتا ہے اور کوئی پتہ نہیں گرتا مگر وہ اسے بھی جانتاہے اور کوئی دانہ زمین کے تاریک حصوں میں نہیں پڑتا اور نہ کوئی تر اور خشک چیز ہے مگر یہ سب کچھ کتاب روشن میں ہیں
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Quran,Yusuf,12:102

ذَ*ٰلِكَ مِنْ أَنبَاءِ الْغَيْبِ نُوحِيهِ إِلَيْكَ ۖ وَمَا كُنتَ لَدَيْهِمْ إِذْ أَجْمَعُوا أَمْرَهُمْ وَهُمْ يَمْكُرُونَ
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Yusuf Ali 102: Such is one of the stories of what happened unseen, which We reveal by inspiration unto thee; nor wast thou (present) with them then when they concerted their plans together in the process of weaving their plots.

یہ غیب کی خبریں کہیں جو ہم تیرے ہاں بھیجتے ہیں اور تو ان کے پاس نہیں تھا جب کہ انہوں نے اپنا ارادہ پکا کر لیا اور وہ تدبیریں کر رہے تھے
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In 81:24 ALLAH clearly said that Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) is not the with-holder of Unseen means he (صلى الله عليه وسلم) don't have the knowledge of unseen rather I am giving him some news and some knowledge of Unseen he (صلى الله عليه وسلم) is getting his knowldege through source through Wahi.

Allah has given him (صلى الله عليه وسلم) some special limited knowledge which was unseen for Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم). Whole QURAN was totally unseen but Allah gave Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) that unseen knowledge . Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) source was different and our source was Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم).

Nither We nor Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) got knowledge without any Source. Sourceless and unlimited knowledge of Unseen is only with Allah and which is real Elum e Ghaib.

Some people in Josh of "Ishq e Rasool" and in reality in hatred of some sect
do GHULU openly say that Nabi (صلى الله عليه وسلم) knwowledge was LA-MEHDOOD Limitless and his own Which is pure Shirk e Akbar


O People of the Kitaab! Do not commit ghulu' (excess) in your Deen and do not speak about Allah, but the Haqq (truth) (Surah Nisaa, 4:171)

يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا تَغْلُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ إِلَّا الْحَقَّ ۚ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ ۚ انتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَـٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۖ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ ۘ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلًا
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Yusuf Ali 171: O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (Surah Nisaa, 4:171)

اے اہِل کتاب تم اپنے دین میں حد سے نہ نکلو اور الله کی شان میں سوائے پکی بات کے نہ کہو بے شک مسیح عیسیٰ مریم کا بیٹا الله کا رسول ہے اور الله کا ایک کلمہ ہےجسے الله نے مریم تک پہنچایا اور الله کی طرف سے ایک جان ہے سو الله پر اور اس کے سب رسولوں پر ایمان لاؤ اور نہ کہو کہ خدا تین ہیں اس بات کو چھوڑ دو تمہارے لیے بہتر ہو گا بے شک الله اکیلا معبود ہے وہ اس سے پاک ہے اس کی اولاد ہو اسی کا ہے جو کچھ آسمانوں میں ہے اور جو کچھ زمین میں ہے اور الله کارساز کافی ہے
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[riverblue]

i give up.........its painful to read 1947's mile long posts

 

[modern fakir]

Pakistani1947 certainly you are in no position to declare anyone kazab.. Because you urself dont know whats going to be your END. Secondly, Peer Naimatullah Shah wali's sayings are truly not for you because you obviously have no trust in them and you have no desire to learn either. So you cant declare anyone kazab because YOU ARE NO AUTHORITY and if you call someone as respected as SHAH NAIMATULLAH A KAZAB THEN THAT LABEL CAN COME BACK ON YOU !

 

[Pakistani1947]

Pakistani1947 certainly you are in no position to declare anyone kazab.. Because you urself dont know whats going to be your END. Secondly, Peer Naimatullah Shah wali's sayings are truly not for you because you obviously have no trust in them and you have no desire to learn either. So you cant declare anyone kazab because YOU ARE NO AUTHORITY and if you call someone as respected as SHAH NAIMATULLAH A KAZAB THEN THAT LABEL CAN COME BACK ON YOU !

Nobody is forcing you not to follow your Peer Naimat ullah shah. I would prefer to follow clear verses of Quraan instead of any Peers predictions.

 

[modern fakir]

Nobody is forcing you not to follow your Peer Naimat ullah shah. I would prefer to follow clear verses of Quraan instead of any Peers predictions.

Wrong Pakistani ..Let me correct you ..You prefer to Follow the Interpretation of the quran based on some misguided sects. Now like i said ...by all means keep on doing that ..but you have no right to question Shah Naimutullah's position WHO IS A DISTINGUISHED WALI (ra) and Inshallah a person of great stature !

here is some extra reading for you ...Salam !

Hadith of Ibn `Umar in Ahmad and Bukhari.)
2. A man from Banu `Amir, after asking the Prophet certain questions, said: "Is there any knowledge left which you do not know?" whereupon the Prophet said: "Allah has taught me a great good, and there is a kind of Unseen knowledge which Allah alone knows: He has knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, He knows what lies in the womb, no one (but He) knows what one will gain tomorrow, and no one (but He) knows in what land one shall die."7

7Ahmad narrated it and Ibn Kathir mentions it in his Tafsir for Surat Luqman. al-Haythami said in Majma` al-zawa'id (#116): "Abu Dawud narrates part of it, and all of the sub-narrators in Ahmad's chain are trustworthy and they are Imams."

 

[Pakistani1947]

Hadith of Ibn `Umar in Ahmad and Bukhari.)
2. A man from Banu `Amir, after asking the Prophet certain questions, said: "Is there any knowledge left which you do not know?" whereupon the Prophet said: "Allah has taught me a great good, and there is a kind of Unseen knowledge which Allah alone knows: He has knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, He knows what lies in the womb, no one (but He) knows what one will gain tomorrow, and no one (but He) knows in what land one shall die."7

7Ahmad narrated it and Ibn Kathir mentions it in his Tafsir for Surat Luqman. al-Haythami said in Majma` al-zawa'id (#116): "Abu Dawud narrates part of it, and all of the sub-narrators in Ahmad's chain are trustworthy and they are Imams."

My Dear modern fakir,

Who is questioning this hadeeth? This is in agreement with following verse of Quraan:

إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنَزِّلُ الْغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْأَرْحَامِ ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَّاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
Yusuf Ali 34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things).

بے شک الله ہی کو قیامت کی خبر ہے اور وہی مینہ برساتا ہے اور وہی جانتا ہے جو کچھ ماؤں کے پیٹوں میں ہوتا ہے اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کل کیا کرے گا اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کس زمین پر مرے گا بے شک الله جاننے والا خبردار ہے​

 

[messam]

Re: "He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,- (Al-Jinn, 72:26)

عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا (Al-Jinn, 72:26)
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Yusuf Ali 26: "He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,- ((Al-Jinn, 72:26))

وہ غیب جاننے والا ہے اپنے غائب کی باتوں پر کسی کو واقف نہیں کرتا
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قُل لَّا يَعْلَمُ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ ۚ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ (An-Naml,27:65)
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Yusuf Ali 65: Say: None in the heavens or on earth, except Allah, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment). (An-Naml,27:65)

کہہ دے الله کے سوا آسمانوں اور زمین میں کوئی بھی غیب کی بات نہیں جانتا اور انہیں اس کی بھی خبر نہیں کہ کب اٹھائے جائیں گے

قُل لَّا أَقُولُ لَكُمْ عِندِي خَزَائِنُ اللَّهِ وَلَا أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ وَلَا أَقُولُ لَكُمْ إِنِّي مَلَكٌ ۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰ إِلَيَّ ۚ قُلْ هَلْ يَسْتَوِي الْأَعْمَىٰ وَالْبَصِيرُ ۚ أَفَلَا تَتَفَكَّرُونَ (Al-Anaam,6:50)
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Yusuf Ali 50: Say: "I tell you not that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me." Say: "can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not? (Al-Anaam,6:50)
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کہہ دو میں تم سے یہ نہیں کہتا کہ میرے پاس الله کے خزانے ہیں اور نہ میں غیب کا علم رکھتا ہوں اور نہ یہ کہتا ہوں کہ میں فرشتہ ہوں میں تو صرف اس وحی کی پیروی کرتا ہوں جو مجھ پر نازل کی جاتی ہے کہہ دو کیا اندھا اور آنکھوں والا دونوں برابر ہو سکتے ہیں کیا تم غور نہیں کرتے
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قُل لَّا أَمْلِكُ لِنَفْسِي نَفْعًا وَلَا ضَرًّا إِلَّا مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ ۚ وَلَوْ كُنتُ أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ لَاسْتَكْثَرْتُ مِنَ الْخَيْرِ وَمَا مَسَّنِيَ السُّوءُ ۚ إِنْ أَنَا إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ وَبَشِيرٌ لِّقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ

Yusuf Ali 188: Say: "I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah willeth. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil should have touched me: I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith." (Al-Araf, 7:188)​

کہہ دو میں اپنی ذات کے نفع و نقصان کا بھی مالک نہیں مگرجو الله چاہے اور اگر میں غیب کی بات جان سکتا تو بہت کچھ بھلائیاں حاصل کر لیتا اور مجھے تکلیف نہ پہنچتی میں تو محض ڈرانے والا اور خوشخبری دینے والا ہوں ان لوگوں کو جو ایمان دار ہیں​

AFSOS SUDDD AFSOS !!!!

AAj hum do takkay k log PYARE AAQA (SALL ALLAH HU ALYEE HE WASALLAM ) K ILM KEE BAATEIN KAR RAHE HEIN.... Afsos Mera bhai Pakistan 1947 NABI e KAREEM ALYEE HEE SALAAT TU WASALAAM K kissi naa KISSI Pahlu ko kamzor Sabit karnay k liye research kar raha hai... Betaa Kal ko AAQA ALYEE HE SALAAT TU WASALAAM K SAAmnay Yeh moun lay k Jana aur kahnaa "K YYAA RASUL ALLAH AlYEE HEE WASALLAM Mein nay Duniya mein Dalail k saath saabit kar diaa thaa k aap etc etc ILM say aari theee.. ""
Jahil Insaano Qayamat tak k aanay kee khabbar, Qayamat Ka hisab kesa ho gaa us kee khabbar, Kesi katarain laggi hon gee , kon kya karta ho ga, kon kese aye gaa, kissi ghaseetaa jaa raha hoga , sab kuch tau bata diaa... ALLAH PAAK Nay dikhaya tau he bataya.. Lakin tum jese Jahil ko tau nahi pata thaa naa..

Lets come to the rFirst reference of Surah Jinn Ayat No. 26

عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا (Al-Jinn, 72:26)
وہ غیب جاننے والا ہے اپنے غائب کی باتوں پر کسی کو واقف نہیں کرتا

Kaash K is kee agli ayat b parh lee hoti Jahil Insaan..
http://quran.com/72/27
Ayat No 27 surah Jin

Except whom He has approved of messengers, and indeed, He sends before each messenger and behind him observers !!!

Bus ab mere ronay kaa waqt ho gaya hai Apni haalat per aur apnay is bhai kee haalat per.. Tum nay Jaanay boojhay yaa bina janay Quran kee aik ayat ko parha aur doosri ko nahi parha faqat yeh sabit karnay k liye K PYARE AAQA (ALYEE HEE SALAAT TU WASALAAM , Mein Qurbaan un k Naalain mubarak per jammi hui dhool per ) K pass Ilm nahi thaa.. Imaan kee tajdeed karnaa aur Maafi Mangna, wo jantay hein tum nay jo abi kia aur tumhari maafi ko b jana lain gay aur maaf b kar dain gay.
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[Pakistani1947]

Re: "He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,- (Al-Jinn, 72:26)

AFSOS SUDDD AFSOS !!!!

AAj hum do takkay k log PYARE AAQA (SALL ALLAH HU ALYEE HE WASALLAM ) K ILM KEE BAATEIN KAR RAHE HEIN.... Afsos Mera bhai Pakistan 1947 NABI e KAREEM ALYEE HEE SALAAT TU WASALAAM K kissi naa KISSI Pahlu ko kamzor Sabit karnay k liye research kar raha hai... Betaa Kal ko AAQA ALYEE HE SALAAT TU WASALAAM K SAAmnay Yeh moun lay k Jana aur kahnaa "K YYAA RASUL ALLAH AlYEE HEE WASALLAM Mein nay Duniya mein Dalail k saath saabit kar diaa thaa k aap etc etc ILM say aari theee.. ""
Jahil Insaano Qayamat tak k aanay kee khabbar, Qayamat Ka hisab kesa ho gaa us kee khabbar, Kesi katarain laggi hon gee , kon kya karta ho ga, kon kese aye gaa, kissi ghaseetaa jaa raha hoga , sab kuch tau bata diaa... ALLAH PAAK Nay dikhaya tau he bataya.. Lakin tum jese Jahil ko tau nahi pata thaa naa..

Lets come to the rFirst reference of Surah Jinn Ayat No. 26

عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا (Al-Jinn, 72:26)
وہ غیب جاننے والا ہے اپنے غائب کی باتوں پر کسی کو واقف نہیں کرتا

Kaash K is kee agli ayat b parh lee hoti Jahil Insaan..

Ayat No 27 surah Jin

Except whom He has approved of messengers, and indeed, He sends before each messenger and behind him observers !!!

Bus ab mere ronay kaa waqt ho gaya hai Apni haalat per aur apnay is bhai kee haalat per.. Tum nay Jaanay boojhay yaa bina janay Quran kee aik ayat ko parha aur doosri ko nahi parha faqat yeh sabit karnay k liye K PYARE AAQA (ALYEE HEE SALAAT TU WASALAAM , Mein Qurbaan un k Naalain mubarak per jammi hui dhool per ) K pass Ilm nahi thaa.. Imaan kee tajdeed karnaa aur Maafi Mangna, wo jantay hein tum nay jo abi kia aur tumhari maafi ko b jana lain gay aur maaf b kar dain gay.
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Dear brother messam, Please do not assume that I am trying to find any weakness in our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh (Nauzobilla).

I think you are joining this debate late we have already discussed the point you have raised.

Following is the complete translation of the verse 3:179

مَّا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيَذَرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عَلَىٰ مَا أَنتُمْ عَلَيْهِ حَتَّىٰ يَمِيزَ الْخَبِيثَ مِنَ الطَّيِّبِ ۗ وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُطْلِعَكُمْ عَلَى الْغَيْبِ وَلَـٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ يَجْتَبِي مِن رُّسُلِهِ مَن يَشَاءُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ۚ وَإِن تُؤْمِنُوا وَتَتَّقُوا فَلَكُمْ أَجْرٌ عَظِيمٌ

Yusuf Ali 179: Allah will not leave the believers in the state in which ye are now, until He separates what is evil from what is good nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen. But He chooses of His Messenger. (For the purpose) whom He pleases. So believe in Allah. And His apostles: And if ye believe and do right, ye have a reward without measure.(Qur'aan, Sura al-Imran 3, verse 179)

الله مسلمانوں کو اس حالت پر رکھنا نہیں چاہتا جس پر اب تم ہو جب تک کہ ناپاک کو پاک سے جدا نہ کر دے اورالله کا یہ طریقہ نہیں ہے کہ تمہیں غیب پر مطلع کر دے لیکن الله اپنے رسولوں میں جسے چاہے چن لیتا ہے سو تم الله اور اس کے رسول پر ایمان لاؤ اور پرہیزگاری کرو تو تمہارے لیے بہت بڑا اجر ہے

Following are some relevant verses of Qur'aan:

قُل لَّا أَقُولُ لَكُمْ عِندِي خَزَائِنُ اللَّهِ وَلَا أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ وَلَا أَقُولُ لَكُمْ إِنِّي مَلَكٌ ۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰ إِلَيَّ ۚ قُلْ هَلْ يَسْتَوِي الْأَعْمَىٰ وَالْبَصِيرُ ۚ أَفَلَا تَتَفَكَّرُونَ
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Yusuf Ali 50: Say: "I tell you not that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me." Say: "can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not? (Qur'aan 6:50)

کہہ دو میں تم سے یہ نہیں کہتا کہ میرے پاس الله کے خزانے ہیں اور نہ میں غیب کا علم رکھتا ہوں اور نہ یہ کہتا ہوں کہ میں فرشتہ ہوں میں تو صرف اس وحی کی پیروی کرتا ہوں جو مجھ پر نازل کی جاتی ہے کہہ دو کیا اندھا اور آنکھوں والا دونوں برابر ہو سکتے ہیں کیا تم غور نہیں کرتے
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وَعِندَهُ مَفَاتِحُ الْغَيْبِ لَا يَعْلَمُهَا إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ ۚ وَمَا تَسْقُطُ مِن وَرَقَةٍ إِلَّا يَعْلَمُهَا وَلَا حَبَّةٍ فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الْأَرْضِ وَلَا رَطْبٍ وَلَا يَابِسٍ إِلَّا فِي كِتَابٍ مُّبِينٍ

Yusuf Ali 59: With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read). (Qur'aan 6:59)
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اور اسی کے پاس غیب کی کنجیاں ہیں جنہیں اس کےسوا کوئی نہیں جانتا جو کچھ جنگل اور دریا میں ہے وہ سب جانتا ہے اور کوئی پتہ نہیں گرتا مگر وہ اسے بھی جانتاہے اور کوئی دانہ زمین کے تاریک حصوں میں نہیں پڑتا اور نہ کوئی تر اور خشک چیز ہے مگر یہ سب کچھ کتاب روشن میں ہیں
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قُل لَّا يَعْلَمُ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ ۚ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ

Yusuf Ali 65: Say: None in the heavens or on earth, except Allah, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment). (Qur'aan 27:65)
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کہہ دے الله کے سوا آسمانوں اور زمین میں کوئی بھی غیب کی بات نہیں جانتا اور انہیں اس کی بھی خبر نہیں کہ کب اٹھائے جائیں گے
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1. Nobody except Allah who knows unseen (غیب) (Qur'aan 27:65) & (Qur'aan 6:59)

2. Allah when ever He wishes and what ever amount of information He wishes (see below example) provides to His messengers (اپنے رسولوں) Ref: (Qur'aan, Sura al-Imran 3, verse 179) & (Qur'aan 6:50)

Allah's Prophet only know the amount of unseen knowledge as much revealed by Allah. For example, Prophet Yaqoob (AS) was given information about shirt via Wahi (Quraan 12:96) but the information about the where about of Prophet Yousuf (AS) was not given while Prophet Yousuf (AS) were inside the well although Prophet Yaqoob (AS) become ill due to this incidence.

After the death of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم), if someone claims that he can predict future then he/she must proof that he/she is getting revelation (Wahi) from Allah.

Some people in Josh of "Ishq e Rasool" do GHULU openly say that Nabi (صلى الله عليه وسلم) knowwledge was LA-MEHDOOD Limitless and his own Which is pure Shirk e Akbar


O People of the Kitaab! Do not commit ghulu' (excess) in your Deen and do not speak about Allah, but the Haqq (truth) (Surah Nisaa, 4:171)

يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا تَغْلُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ إِلَّا الْحَقَّ ۚ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ ۚ انتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَـٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۖ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ ۘ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلًا
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Yusuf Ali 171: O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (Surah Nisaa, 4:171)

اے اہِل کتاب تم اپنے دین میں حد سے نہ نکلو اور الله کی شان میں سوائے پکی بات کے نہ کہو بے شک مسیح عیسیٰ مریم کا بیٹا الله کا رسول ہے اور الله کا ایک کلمہ ہےجسے الله نے مریم تک پہنچایا اور الله کی طرف سے ایک جان ہے سو الله پر اور اس کے سب رسولوں پر ایمان لاؤ اور نہ کہو کہ خدا تین ہیں اس بات کو چھوڑ دو تمہارے لیے بہتر ہو گا بے شک الله اکیلا معبود ہے وہ اس سے پاک ہے اس کی اولاد ہو اسی کا ہے جو کچھ آسمانوں میں ہے اور جو کچھ زمین میں ہے اور الله کارساز کافی ہے​

 

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دینی معاملات آپ كے لئے مضاحكہ خیز ہو سكتے ہیں میرے لئے نہیں۔۔۔

آپ نے گفتگو كا رخ دوسری طرف موڑ دیا۔۔

I never claimed that Naimatullah Shah Wali :rahm: said that he had Ilm ul Ghaib...

My whole argument was about the possibility of knowing the future .... by any non-scientific and non-instrumental means ....

میرے محترم آپ خواب کے علاوہ جس امکان کو تلاش کر رہے ہیں ...آخر اس امکان کا اللہ کے نبی pbuhنے کوئی تذکرہ کیا ہے؟؟؟ اور جب یہ بات ثابت ہوگیی کے عالم الغیب صرف اللہ کی ذات ہے تو یہ بات بھی طے ہے کے جب بھی کسی کو غیب پر مطلع کیا جائیگا تو وہ اللہ کی طرف سے ہوگا ..یعنی اللہ خود اسے مطلع کریگا بندہ خود سے غیب نہیں جان سکتا​

Kindly define a bad dream for me...

If I see in a dream... that I am dying tomorrow.. and I am a very sinful person... and I supposedly I do not want to leave this world... this is a bad dream for me... and if I die tomorrow... and the dream comes true... was it from Shaitan.... But... How does the shaitan know about the time of my death???

If it is a pious person like you guys are... he would love to die... so it is a good dream... and from Allah SWT???

How can the same dream to one is from Allah SWT and to other is from Shaitan???

آپ نے بہت ہی خوبصورت نکتہ اٹھایا ہے اور اور اگر میری پوسٹ نمبر ٧٥ پڑھیں تو اس میں میں نے واضح لکھا ہے ہے کے کسی بھی خواب کے بارے میں اعتماد سے کچھ نہیں کہا جا سکتا ​

اب ایک حدیث ملاحظہ کریں​

نبی pbuhنے فرمایا میں نے خواب دیکھا کے میں مکہ سے ایک ایسی زمین کی طرف ہجرت کر رہا ہوں جہاں کھجوریں ہیں. میرا ذہن اس طرف گیا کے یہ جگہ یمامہ ہے یا ہجر. لیکن بعد میں معلوم ہوا کہ مدینہ یعنی یثرب ہے
بخاری حدیث نمبر ٧٠٣٥​

اسی طرح صحیح بخاری میں حدیث نمبر ٧٠١٧ (خوابوں کی تعبیر کا بیان) میں ہے کے ابوہریرہ رضی اللہ عنہ خواب میں طوق کو ناپسند کرتے تھے اور قید کو پسند کرتے تھے...اور قید سے مرد دین پر ثابت قدمی لیتے تھے​

ان احادیث کے پیش کرنے کا واحد مقصد آپ کی اس بات کو تسلیم کرنا ہے کے خواب سے متعلق حقیقت اللہ ہی جانتا ہے ...پہلے حدیث واضح کرتی ہے کے اللہ کے نبی pbuh کو بھی بعد میں علم ہوا کے وہ جگہ جو اللہ کے نبی pbuh نے خواب میں دیکھی تھی وہ یمامہ نہیں بلکے یثرب تھی​

اسی طرح دوسری روایت لانے کا مقصد یہ ہے کے ہم جیسے لوگ قید کو اپنے لئے برا سمجھ سکتے ہیں مگر ابو ہریرہ رضی اللہ عنہ قید کو خوشکن سمجھتے تھے...سبحان اللہ ​

یعنی یہ ممکن ہے کہ خواب میں بعض دفعہ آپ کسی چیز کو خوشکن نہ سمجھیں اور درحقیقت وہ خوشکن ہی ہو اور کسی چیز کو آپ بری سمجھیں مگر حقیتا وہ اچھی ہو..یعنی ثابت ہوا کے حقیقت اللہ ہی جانتا ہے
ہاں ہمارے لئے عمومی حکم یہ ہے کے ہم توکل سے کام لیں اور جب ہم کوئی ایسا خواب دیکھیں جو ہمارے لئے راحت اور خوشی کا سبب بنے تو ہمیں اللہ کی حمد و ثنا کرنی چاہیے اور اسے اپنے خیر خواہ کو بتا سکتے ہیں اور جب ہم کوئی ایسا خواب دیکھیں جو ہمارے لئے غم یا خوف کا سبب ہو تو ہمیں تعوذ پڑھنی چاہیے، دائیں ہاتھ پر تھوتھکرنا چاہیے تین دفع اور ہوسکے تو نماز کا اہتمام کرنا چاہیے اور اسے کسی نہ بتانا چاہیے اور یہ کے ایسے خواب شیطان کی طرف سے ہوسکتے ہیں​

By the way.... What do you think about the dream of the king in Surah Yousuf... He saw some mixed stuff.. Seven good years... Seven bad.. and then one good... Who was it from... If it was from Shaitan, Why did Prophet Yousuf AS bother to interpret it... If the dream of the Nanbai (who was told that he is going to be crucified) again from Shaitan... Why did Prophet Yousuf AS interpret it again...

Secondly... If it is a mixed dream... Some bad and some good... who do we attribute it to???? Allah SWT or Shaitan???

میرے بھائی جب ایک چیز جب مشتبہ ہوگئی تو کیا ہوا؟؟؟ اللہ پر توکل تو ہر صورت میں لازمی ہے..نہ کوئی برائی اللہ کی مرضی کے بغیر آسکتی ہے نا کوئی بھلائی.آپ ذکر و ازکار کریں اور اللہ پر توکل​

Now coming to Naimatullah again... Can you prove it was not a dream??? Though I suggest that it was as he says "He sees".. If you dont agree with Kashf... what are the other ways of seeing things?​

If a person sees a dream.. and relates it... Would you call him a liar?? On the basis of that it doesnt penetrate your skull????

میرے بھائی میں کیا ثابت کروں...جس نے کتاب لکھی ہے وحی بتائیگا کے آیا بنیاد خواب ہیں یا کشف وغیرہ
میں جہاں تک سمجھا ہوں یہ پیشنگوئیاں خواب نہیں...باقی اللہ بہتر جانتا ہے ​

کیوں کے خواب کو علما حق اتنا سنجیدگی سے نہیں لیتے ..کیوں کے جیسا کے میں نے پہلے کہا کہ خواب کے بارے میں حتمی طور پر کچھ نہیں کہا جاسکتا
ہاں انبیاء کے خواب ہمیشہ سچے ہوتے ہیں اور ان خوابوں کو عام آدمی کی خوابوں سے نہیں ملایا جاسکتا..آپ صحیح بخاری میں خوابوں کی تعبیر کا بیان ضرور پڑھیں انشااللہ بہت سے سوالوں کے جواب مل جائیںگے​

I dont care about rest of the thousands of stories... I want to be point specific... we can discuss them one by one.. and I dont just close my eyes and believe whatever I hear and see...

آپ پروا نہیں کرتے مگر حقیقت ہے کے ہمارے یہاں آج کل خواب بیان کر کر کے لوگوں کو اپنے گرویدہ بنایا جا رہا ہے اور جاہل عوام انکی اس دھوکہ دہی میں آجاتی ہے​

میں آپ کو اپنا ذاتی تجربہ مختصرا عرض کروں...عمان کے شہر صلالہ جانے کا اتفاق ہوا... وہاں میں نے صالح علیہ سلام کی اونٹنی کے آثار اور حضرت عمران کے نام کا مزار خود اپنی آنکھوں سے دیکھا جہاں لوگ جوق در جوق زیارت کرنے جاتے ہیں...حضرت عمران کے نام کی قبر کے پاکستانی مجاور کا کہنا تھا کے اسے خواب میں یہ قبر دکھائی گیئ ...جب کے تحقیق سے ثابت ہوتا ہے کے عمران جن کا ذکر قرآن میں ہے انکے بارے میں کوئی مستند تاریخ نہیں کے وہ کون تھے یعنی نبی تھے یا نہیں ...مگر ہمارے پاکستانی بھائی نہ وہاں نبی عمران علیہ سلام کا بورڈ آویزاں کردیا ہے...مزید صحیح حدیث میں ہے کے صالح علیہ سلام کی قوم کے آثار سعودی عرب میں تبوک کے پاس ہیں...اور صلالہ میں ان اثار کا ہونا معنی خیز ہے اور حیران کن طور پر یہ آثار بھی ایک صاحب کو خواب میں ہی ظاہر ہووے​

اب آپ بتائے کے انکے خواب سچے یا اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی حدیث؟؟؟​