Controversy Solved - A 200 Years Old Manuscript of Naimat Ullah Shah Wali found

ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
A rare scanned 19th century Divan of Hazrat Naimat Ullah Shah is found from following website.
http://www.bayaz.ir/

Download Complete PDF Book from
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(many predictions still not translated)
It is confirmed that its Original Poetry of Shah Naimat, see a detailed comparison of this book with others at
http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blogspot.com/2011/06/mee-beenam-radeef-other-comparisons.html

there are many other Old books of Naimat Ullah Shah Wali also found

http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blogspot.com/2011/06/kutab-hazrat-shah-syed-noor-ud-din.html

here is a screenshot of this book

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some details on this link http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blogspot.com/2011/06/200-years-old-manuscript-of-hazrat.html
 

cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
[MENTION=14829]ahmadalikhan[/MENTION]

but the book u linked is in persian , isn't there a translaton?
 

ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Have you ever thought....Why Allah did not give power to Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) to have knowledge of unseen (علم الغیب) but still there are Muslims who believe that Peer, Walis, Durwaish has the knowledge of unseen (علم الغیب) despite the Qur'aanic verse: “Say: “None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (Unseen) except Allaah, nor can they perceive when they shall be resurrected” [al-Naml 27:65] ?

The correct believe is only Allah informs his Messengers, whenever he wants to, via Wahee (وحی) about Ghaib. Hence Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) would not know about Ghaib (غیب) unless Allah informs him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). Following Hadeeth narrates once Bibi Aisha (Razi Allah Talah Unhun) was wrongly accused and Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) were very worried and had no way of knowing the truth until Allah revealed the Verses (concerning the matter):

Narrated Masruq: I asked Um Ruman, 'Aisha's mother about the accusation forged against 'Aisha. She said, "While I was sitting with 'Aisha, an Ansari woman came to us and said, 'Let Allah condemn such-and-such person.' I asked her, 'Why do you say so?' She replied, 'For he has spread the (slanderous) story.' 'Aisha said, 'What story?' The woman then told her the story. 'Aisha asked, 'Have Abu Bakr and Allah's Apostle heard about it ?' She said, 'Yes.' 'Aisha fell down senseless (on hearing that), and when she came to her senses, she got fever and shaking of the body. The Prophet came and asked, 'What is wrong with her?' I said, 'She has got fever because of a story which has been rumored.' 'Aisha got up and said, 'By Allah! Even if I took an oath, you would not believe me, and if I put forward an excuse, You would not excuse me. My example and your example is just like that example of Jacob and his sons. Against that which you assert, it is Allah (Alone) Whose Help can be sought.' (12.18) The Prophet left and then Allah revealed the Verses (concerning the matter), and on that 'Aisha said, 'Thanks to Allah (only) and not to anybody else." (Sahih Bukhari, Book #55, Hadith #602)

The correct believe is that the Silsila of Wahee (وحی) has been discontinued since the death of Prophet Muhhamd (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). Hence anybody who claims that he has revelation from Allah about Ghaib (غیب) is Kazzaab (کذاب).

There are very serious implication of holding wrong belief is that many hopefuls, Durwaish, Peer, Wali, have launched their religious careers (fan following) by making claim that they have the knowledge of unseen (غیب). Almost all our Sufi ‘saints’ have established their credibility, and their thrones, by doing this. They first claim to have seen the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), then they say they are in direct contact with him, then they claim they have been divinely inspired, and then they build their economic empires which they leave to their successors.
 

modern fakir

MPA (400+ posts)
KNOWLEDGE OF UNSEEN OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (SAWS) IN THE LIGHT OF QURAN AND AHADITH

It is in Quran - عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا- إِلَّا مَنِ ارْتَضَىٰ مِن رَّسُولٍ (Meaning - He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries, except an Apostle whom He has chosen (Prophet Mohammad - SAWS). (Al-Jinn - 26-27).

Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalani explained the above verse as follows:

QUOTE - It follows from this verse that Prophets can see some of the Unseen, and so do the Awliya Allah (saints) that follow each particular Prophet also, as each takes from his Prophet and is gifted (yukram) with his knowledge. The difference between the two is that the Prophet looks at this knowledge through all kinds of revelation, while the saint does not look upon it except in dreams or through inspiration, and Allah knows best.
UNQUOTE

(Fath al-bari (1989 ed. 8:660) Tafsir Surat Luqman, "Allah has knowledge of the Hour" (31:34)

Ibn Hajar quotes al-Qurtubi's words confirming this:

QUOTE - The truthful, righteous Muslim (al-muslim al-sadiq al-salih) is he whose state matches that of Prophets and thereby is bestowed (ukrima) some of the same kind of gifts they were given: that is to behold the unseen (wa huwa al-ittila` `ala al-ghayb).

As for the disbeliever (al-kafir), the corrupt person (al-fasiq), and the contentious one who confuses matters for the listeners (al-mikhlat) -- then no. UNQUOTE

(al-Qurtubi as quoted by Ibn Hajar in Fath al-bari (1989 ed.) 12:449.)

The gist of the above explanations by Ibn Hajr and Qurtubi is that, those who do not believe in the Knowledge of Unseen of Prophets and Awliya Allah are Kafir, Fasiq and Controversial Troublemakers in the guise of Muslims - ie., Salafis and their like minded groups.
It is in Quran - "Certainly We (Allah -SWT) have sent to you (Prophet -SAWS) as witness, deponent and the one who gives good tiding and as a forewarner (Ahzab - 45).
Who is a witness (as per the law)?
He is the one who sees things from his eyes. Statement of a Deponent who has only heard about a thing is not acceptable in the Court of law.
The above Quranic verse establishes that Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) sees our conditions, individually and collectively.
It is in Quran - لَقَدْ جَاءَكُمْ رَسُولٌ مِّنْ أَنفُسِكُمْ عَزِيزٌ عَلَيْهِ مَا عَنِتُّمْ حَرِيصٌ عَلَيْكُم بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ رَءُوفٌ رَّحِيمٌ (Meaning - An Apostle (SAWS) has been raised for you from yourselves, your living wrongly with its consequent suffering presses heavily upon him; he is ardently desirous of your welfare; and for those (of you) who are believers, he is full of pity, merciful. (At-Tawba-128).
It is in Hadith - Hazrat Ghousul Azam (r) narrates that - Prophet (SAWS) said 'Even if a thorn is pricked into your feet, I feel the pain of it'.
It is in Hadith - It is narrated by Hazrat Umar Radi Allahu anhu One day the Prophet Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam stood between us and informed us of the matters from the beginning of creation to the people of paradise entering paradise and the people of hell entering hell. Whoever remembered, remembered and whoever forgot, forgot. (Bukhari)

Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) is the last Prophet sent for the entire humanity (Kaaffatunnaas). There will be no Prophet after him. Therefore whatever is said about him in Quran with reference to his Ummah is applicable for all Muslims till the day of resurrection. We cannot say that the Quranic verses with reference to Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) viz-a-viz Ummatul Muslimeen are only for the people who lived during his life time. Therefore, the above verses establish that Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) sees the actions of every Muslim till resurrection and beyond.
We cannot understand these things with our limited understanding and mental ability. Let us understand it with examples.
Google.com gets more than 222 million hits per day and Yahoo gets about 90 millions hits per day. This means that many people are using these Web sites for various purposes. Now, let anyone consider; are not these sites aware of the individual and collective actions of their users? If a single user is unable to get required data, the site attends to his/her request immediately and within no time the problem is solved. That is the reason their users are swelling by the day.
I will explain it with another example. United States is a very large country and because of its status as undisputed super power of the world the data generated at Pentagon, While House, Capitol Hill, various Federal/State offices, US Basis and Embassies around the globe is enormous. The single man in the world who has access and control of this data is US President. Can anyone tell that the US President is unaware of the data generated at these places? Any literate human being will say no. It cannot be like that. He is fully aware and in control of this data.
How does a US President operate? He overlooks US operations and knows which direction the US policies will go to keep its position intact, at home and abroad. And if he wants to know what is happening at a remote area in the country or at a US Base at a far off corner of the World, like Diego Garcia, he does not need to ask anyone. He looks at his computer and with a few computer commands he comes to know about it.
Similarly, it is established from Quran and Ahadith that Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) is aware of all his people and everything in this cosmos, individually and collectively. Allah's (SWT) hidden machinery is in operation at optimum level at all the time. There are innumerable Angels, humans and other species working 24 hours of the day. They do not get tired. And the single person who has access and command over this machinery (other than Allah -SWT) is (Bi iznillahi - with Allah's -SWT permission) Prophet Mohammad (SAWS). If it is not so, then how people's deeds will be evaluated on the Day of Judgment when everyone's limbs will also talk of the deeds they did. Dear brothers and sisters, Allah's (SWT) administration is very efficient and Prophet Mohammed (SAWS) is in-charge and in command of this Administration. Angels, Awliya Allah and many others are working efficiently in their assigned jobs. The existence of this administration and its efficient functioning is established from the above Ahadith.

Read the following verse, you will know the status of Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) in the Cosmos.

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It is in Quran - Allah (SWT) and His angels send blessings (and salutations) on Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) : O you who believe! Send your salutations and reverence on him, and salute him with all respect. (Al-Ahazab 56). (Allahumma salle ala mohammadin wa ala ale mohammadin wa barik wo sallim).


The above Quranic verse is in present tense. It is not that the Durood was sent on Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) during his life time only. This is a continuous process. This establishes the fact that the life span of Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) is continuous. Let us see, what Quran says in this context.
It is in Quran Behold! Allah (SWT) took the covenant (promise) of (all) the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you an Apostle (Mohammad SAWS), confirming what is with you; do you believe in him and render him help." Allah (SWT) said: "Do you agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses. (Aal-e-Imran 81).
When was the covenant (promise/affidavit) taken from all prophets?

When souls of all Prophets were created, and before them, the supreme soul of Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) was also created.

Allah (SWT) gathered all souls of Prophets and took the covenant from them that they will believe in Prophet Mohammads (SAWS) supremacy in the cosmos. When they agreed, Allah (SWT) says, He is also a witness of that gathering and covenant along with all the Prophets.

This shows the Supreme Soul of Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) was created first as root of all creations. From this root, everything in this cosmos was created.
It is in Hadith - Narrated by Abu Hurayrah (RU). When Allah's (SWT) Messenger was asked since how long he is the Prophet of Allah (SWT), he replied, When Adam (AS) had not yet had his spirit joined to his body. (Tirmidhi).
It is in Quran Qad Jaaakum minallhi Noonrun wa Kitabun Mubeen (Meaning - Without doubt Noor from Allah (SWT) ( Prophet Mohammad - SAWS) came to you and a Book of Illumination (Quran-e-Mubeen) (Maida 15).
The above Quranic verses and Ahadith confirm the fact that 'the first thing Allah (SWT) created was the 'Noor-e-Nabi (SAWS). The above Quranic verse and Sahih Hadith also confirm the authenticity of the Hadith in which the Prophet (SWAS) said "I am from the Allah's (SWT) Noor (existence) and everything else is (created) from my Noor (existence).
When the Prophet (SAWS) (as per the above Quranic verses and Ahadith) was living before his birth, then how come he will not be living after he is gone from this world?
As a matter of fact, the concept of death is not associated with any soul whatsoever.
It is in Quran - And (remember) when your Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their loins, their seed (or from Adam's loin his offspring) and made them testify as to themselves (saying): "Am I not your Lord?" They said: "Yes! We testify," lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: "Verily, we have been unaware of this." (Al-Araf - 172).
Meaning, we were living before our birth and we will continue to live in Barzaq after our deaths. The living conditions are different with reference to each world. Our earlier living in Ilm-e-Elahi is different from our current living (also in Ilm-e-Elahi) in this world and our living in Barzaq after our death will be different as per the conditions of that world.
When there is no death for the souls of common people, how come Salafis and their like minded groups associate death with the Supreme Soul of Prophet Mohammad (SAWS)?
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It is in Hadith (Bukhari wo Muslim) - Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) said Allah (SWT) gives and I distribute.

This is a Sahih Hadith in which Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) is saying that Allah (SWT) gives and He distributes. He is not saying, "I will distribute till I am alive and after me someone else (Nauzubillahi) will distribute".
My dear brothers and sisters, all Quranic verses and Ahadith about Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) are for all the people and for all time.
Some Muslim sects think that since Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) is not alive, he is not active (Nauzubillahi).
They do not understand the functioning of this cosmos. Their hard disk (mental capacity) is very limited, therefore they cannot understand the functioning of this huge cosmos. What is required is, they should replace their hard disks to understand complex issues of this cosmos.
Where can we get hard disks replaced (religious understanding improved)? Awliya Allah and Sufi Shaikhs are the hardware and software Engineers/specialists of our souls. Refer them your problems, they will fix them for you with which you can understand religious issues better.
My dear brothers and sisters, I am positive that insha-Allah all your doubts about the knowledge of unseen of Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) must have been cleared after reading the above information.
 

Salik

Senator (1k+ posts)
[MENTION=4976]pakistani1947[/MENTION]

What is unseen??

What is unseen for me... might not be unseen for you.... what is unseen for you...might not be unseen for me... what is unseen for me ... was not Unseen for the prophet pbuh... and what is Unseen for the prophet pbuh... is not unseen for Allah SWT....

Did the prophet not gives signs of the hour??? Who had seen the hour at that time???... It is still unseen but the signs we see day and night...

You might "see" something in your dream... hence that does not remain unseen for you... but it is unseen for me..

In the same way Allah SWT "can" show his beloved people a glimpse of the future... and it is not unseen anymore...

as Naimatullah Shah wali says مي بينم...ٰ I see.... when he sees something... how is it unseen for him???

When a crook like nostradamus can see the glimpses of the future.. why can't the awlia???
 
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Wadaich

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(1). Narrated 'Ubada bin As-Samit: The Prophet said, "The (good) dreams of a faithful believer is a part of the forty-six parts of prophetism:' (Sahih Bukhari-Book #87, Hadith #116)

(2). Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The (good) dream of a faithful believer is a part of the forty-six parts of prophetism." (Sahih Bukhari-Book #87, Hadith #117)

(3). Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "When the Day of Resurrection approaches, the dreams of a believer will hardly fail to come true, and a dream of a believer is one of forty-six parts of prophetism, and whatever belongs to prothetism can never be false." Muhammad bin Sirin said, "But I say this." He said, "It used to be said, 'There are three types of dreams: The reflection of one's thoughts and experiences one has during wakefulness, what is suggested by Satan to frighten the dreamer, or glad tidings from Allah. So, if someone has a dream which he dislikes, he should not tell it to others, but get up and offer a prayer." He added, "He (Abu Huraira) hated to see a Ghul (i.e., iron collar around his neck in a dream) and people liked to see fetters (on their feet in a dream). The fetters on the feet symbolizes one's constant and firm adherence to religion." And Abu 'Abdullah said, "Ghuls (iron collars) are used only for necks." (Sahih Bukhari-Book #87, Hadith #144) (Sahih Muslim- Book #029, Hadith #5621)
 

pakiace

Banned
can anyone come to the point - what was the controversy? every one is here without the answer to this question yet all interested in copy/pasting hadiths! i just want to know - what the controversy was? why was he considered fake BY WHOM - AND WHAT NOW HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO PROVE HIS LEGITIMACY? CAN ANY ONE ANSWER TO MY THIS SIMPLE QUESTION - OR SHALL I HASSLE GOOGLING IT FOR WHAT YOU WILL DO THE SAME HERE AND COPY PAST ME?
 

ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
can anyone come to the point - what was the controversy? every one is here without the answer to this question yet all interested in copy/pasting hadiths! i just want to know - what the controversy was? why was he considered fake BY WHOM - AND WHAT NOW HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO PROVE HIS LEGITIMACY? CAN ANY ONE ANSWER TO MY THIS SIMPLE QUESTION - OR SHALL I HASSLE GOOGLING IT FOR WHAT YOU WILL DO THE SAME HERE AND COPY PAST ME?

Controversy is , people say , poetry of Naimat ullah Shah is crafted or fake hence all the predictions are wrong , opinion of people is divided on it but now it is proved with many references of old books, his poetry and predictions are available, and he is very famous in countries like Iran etc where Persian is spoken but in Pakistan just his predictions are famous., as i posted above,
details are on this link

http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blogspot.com/2011/06/mee-beenam-radeef-other-comparisons.html
 
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Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
"He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,- (Al-Jinn, 72:26)

عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا (Al-Jinn, 72:26)
Yusuf Ali 26: "He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,- ((Al-Jinn, 72:26))
وہ غیب جاننے والا ہے اپنے غائب کی باتوں پر کسی کو واقف نہیں کرتا

قُل لَّا يَعْلَمُ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ ۚ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ (An-Naml,27:65)
Yusuf Ali 65: Say: None in the heavens or on earth, except Allah, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment). (An-Naml,27:65)
کہہ دے الله کے سوا آسمانوں اور زمین میں کوئی بھی غیب کی بات نہیں جانتا اور انہیں اس کی بھی خبر نہیں کہ کب اٹھائے جائیں گے

قُل لَّا أَقُولُ لَكُمْ عِندِي خَزَائِنُ اللَّهِ وَلَا أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ وَلَا أَقُولُ لَكُمْ إِنِّي مَلَكٌ ۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰ إِلَيَّ ۚ قُلْ هَلْ يَسْتَوِي الْأَعْمَىٰ وَالْبَصِيرُ ۚ أَفَلَا تَتَفَكَّرُونَ (Al-Anaam,6:50)
Yusuf Ali 50: Say: "I tell you not that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me." Say: "can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not? (Al-Anaam,6:50)
کہہ دو میں تم سے یہ نہیں کہتا کہ میرے پاس الله کے خزانے ہیں اور نہ میں غیب کا علم رکھتا ہوں اور نہ یہ کہتا ہوں کہ میں فرشتہ ہوں میں تو صرف اس وحی کی پیروی کرتا ہوں جو مجھ پر نازل کی جاتی ہے کہہ دو کیا اندھا اور آنکھوں والا دونوں برابر ہو سکتے ہیں کیا تم غور نہیں کرتے

قُل لَّا أَمْلِكُ لِنَفْسِي نَفْعًا وَلَا ضَرًّا إِلَّا مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ ۚ وَلَوْ كُنتُ أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ لَاسْتَكْثَرْتُ مِنَ الْخَيْرِ وَمَا مَسَّنِيَ السُّوءُ ۚ إِنْ أَنَا إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ وَبَشِيرٌ لِّقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ
Yusuf Ali 188: Say: "I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah willeth. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil should have touched me: I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith." (Al-Araf, 7:188)​

کہہ دو میں اپنی ذات کے نفع و نقصان کا بھی مالک نہیں مگرجو الله چاہے اور اگر میں غیب کی بات جان سکتا تو بہت کچھ بھلائیاں حاصل کر لیتا اور مجھے تکلیف نہ پہنچتی میں تو محض ڈرانے والا اور خوشخبری دینے والا ہوں ان لوگوں کو جو ایمان دار ہیں
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
[MENTION=4976]pakistani1947[/MENTION]

What is unseen??

What is unseen for me... might not be unseen for you.... what is unseen for you...might not be unseen for me... what is unseen for me ... was not Unseen for the prophet pbuh... and what is Unseen for the prophet pbuh... is not unseen for Allah SWT....

Did the prophet not gives signs of the hour??? Who had seen the hour at that time???... It is still unseen but the signs we see day and night...

You might "see" something in your dream... hence that does not remain unseen for you... but it is unseen for me..

In the same way Allah SWT "can" show his beloved people a glimpse of the future... and it is not unseen anymore...

as Naimatullah Shah wali says مي بينم...ٰ I see.... when he sees something... how is it unseen for him???

When a crook like nostradamus can see the glimpses of the future.. why can't the awlia???

1. Allah's Knowledge is Eternal, Prophet's (صلى الله عليه وسلم) Knowledge was not eternal.
2. Allah's Knowledge Is Zaati, Prophet's
(صلى الله عليه وسلم) Knowledge Is Granted (by Allah)
3. Allah's Knowledge Is Infinite, Prophet's (صلى الله عليه وسلم) Knowledge is Finite

Generally known definition of Ilm-e-Ghaib is "Knowledge of Unknown is called Elum e Ghaib"

Correct Definition of Elum e Ghaib is knowledge of unknown WITH OUT ANY SOURCE is called Elum e Ghaib.


First we need to understand the true definition of Ilm-e-Ghaib it will help us in understanding Ayats.


Quran:13.Ar-Ra'd: 8-9

اللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ مَا تَحْمِلُ كُلُّ أُنثَىٰ وَمَا تَغِيضُ الْأَرْحَامُ وَمَا تَزْدَادُ ۖ وَكُلُّ شَيْءٍ عِندَهُ بِمِقْدَارٍ
Yusuf Ali 8: Allah doth know what every female (womb) doth bear, by how much the wombs fall short (of their time or number) or do exceed. Every single thing is before His sight, in (due) proportion.
الله کو معلوم ہے کہ جو کچھ ہر مادہ اپنے پیٹ میں لیے ہوئے ہے اورجو کچھ پیٹ میں سکڑتا اور بڑھتا ہے اور اس کے ہاں ہر چیز کا اندازہ ہے


عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ الْكَبِيرُ الْمُتَعَالِ
Yusuf Ali 9: He knoweth the unseen and that which is open: He is the Great, the Most High.
پوشیدہ اور ظاہر کا جاننے والا ہے سب سے بڑا بلند مرتبہ ہے

Quran:Luqman,
31:34

إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنَزِّلُ الْغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْأَرْحَامِ ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَّاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
Yusuf Ali 34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things).
بے شک الله ہی کو قیامت کی خبر ہے اور وہی مینہ برساتا ہے اور وہی جانتا ہے جو کچھ ماؤں کے پیٹوں میں ہوتا ہے اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کل کیا کرے گا اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کس زمین پر مرے گا بے شک الله جاننے والا خبردار ہے

Here Quran is referring to Elum e Ghaib means no one has the knowledge of Unseen except ALLAH . Allah gave example of Womb of mother that you don,t know what is in womb of mother because you don't know unseen. Like saying that you don't know what is behind wall.

Here source comes :


When u see what is in womb of mother through some source (for example, Ultra sound) then it is no more unseen. You are seeing it through some source then you are telling what is in womb of mother it is not knowledge of unseen because you are knowing it through some source.

Quraan didn't say that u cannot invent such tool which can see that what is in womb of mother. Quraan is referring to unseen.

When your are telling what is happening behind wall and in Afghanistan through media or any other source Then this Elum will not be consider as Elum e Ghaib.


Quran 72:26-27

عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا-إِلَّا مَنِ ارْتَضَىٰ مِن رَّسُولٍ فَإِنَّهُ يَسْلُكُ مِن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ رَصَدًا
Yusuf Ali 26-27: "He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,- "Except an apostle whom He has chosen: and then He makes a band of watchers march before him and behind him,
وہ غیب جاننے والا ہے اپنے غائب کی باتوں پر کسی کو واقف نہیں کرتا- مگر اپنے پسندیدہ رسول کو پھراس کے آگے اور پیچھے محافظ مقرر کر دیتا ہے

Quran Al-'Imran, 3:44

ذَ*ٰلِكَ مِنْ أَنبَاءِ الْغَيْبِ نُوحِيهِ إِلَيْكَ ۚ وَمَا كُنتَ لَدَيْهِمْ إِذْ يُلْقُونَ أَقْلَامَهُمْ أَيُّهُمْ يَكْفُلُ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا كُنتَ لَدَيْهِمْ إِذْ يَخْتَصِمُونَ
Yusuf Ali 44: This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Messenger.) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).
یہ غیب کی خبریں ہیں ہم بذریعہ وحی تمہیں اطلاع دیتے ہیں اورتو ان کے پاس نہیں تھا جب اپنا قلم ڈالنے لگے تھے کہ مریم کی کون پرورش کرے اور تو ان کے پاس نہیں تھا جب کہ وہ جھگڑتے تھے

Today I know what happened with ESSA(a.s) how ADAM(a.s) and HAWA(a.s) expelled from Janat. What will happen after death.These are all news of unseen and Allah gave me this knowledge of unseen and my source is QURAN. I will never say that I have keys of Unseen because am using source and am knowing through some source

Quran:81.At-Takwir: 24

وَمَا هُوَ عَلَى الْغَيْبِ بِضَنِينٍ
Yusuf Ali 24: Neither doth he withhold grudgingly a knowledge of the Unseen.
Shakir 24: Nor of the unseen is he a tenacious concealer.
Pickthal 24: And he is not avid of the Unseen.
Mohsin Khan: 24: And he (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) withholds not a knowledge of the Unseen.
اور وہ غیب کی باتوں پر بخیل نہیں ہے


Quran Anaam, 165:59

وَعِندَهُ مَفَاتِحُ الْغَيْبِ لَا يَعْلَمُهَا إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْبَرِّ وَالْبَحْرِ ۚ وَمَا تَسْقُطُ مِن وَرَقَةٍ إِلَّا يَعْلَمُهَا وَلَا حَبَّةٍ فِي ظُلُمَاتِ الْأَرْضِ وَلَا رَطْبٍ وَلَا يَابِسٍ إِلَّا فِي كِتَابٍ مُّبِينٍ
Yusuf Ali 59: With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read).
اور اسی کے پاس غیب کی کنجیاں ہیں جنہیں اس کےسوا کوئی نہیں جانتا جو کچھ جنگل اور دریا میں ہے وہ سب جانتا ہے اور کوئی پتہ نہیں گرتا مگر وہ اسے بھی جانتاہے اور کوئی دانہ زمین کے تاریک حصوں میں نہیں پڑتا اور نہ کوئی تر اور خشک چیز ہے مگر یہ سب کچھ کتاب روشن میں ہیں


Quran,Yusuf,12:102

ذَ*ٰلِكَ مِنْ أَنبَاءِ الْغَيْبِ نُوحِيهِ إِلَيْكَ ۖ وَمَا كُنتَ لَدَيْهِمْ إِذْ أَجْمَعُوا أَمْرَهُمْ وَهُمْ يَمْكُرُونَ
Yusuf Ali 102: Such is one of the stories of what happened unseen, which We reveal by inspiration unto thee; nor wast thou (present) with them then when they concerted their plans together in the process of weaving their plots.
یہ غیب کی خبریں کہیں جو ہم تیرے ہاں بھیجتے ہیں اور تو ان کے پاس نہیں تھا جب کہ انہوں نے اپنا ارادہ پکا کر لیا اور وہ تدبیریں کر رہے تھے


In 81:24 ALLAH clearly said that Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) is not the with-holder of Unseen means he (صلى الله عليه وسلم) don't have the knowledge of unseen rather I am giving him some news and some knowledge of Unseen he (صلى الله عليه وسلم) is getting his knowldege through source through Wahi.

Allah has given him (صلى الله عليه وسلم) some special limited knowledge which was unseen for Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم). Whole QURAN was totally unseen but Allah gave Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) that unseen knowledge . Muhammad
(صلى الله عليه وسلم) source was different and our source was Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم).

Nither We nor Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) got knowledge without any Source. Sourceless and unlimited knowledge of Unseen is only with Allah and which is real Elum e Ghaib.


Some people in Josh of "Ishq e Rasool" and in reality in hatred of some sect

do GHULU openly say that Nabi (صلى الله عليه وسلم) knwowledge was LA-MEHDOOD Limitless and his own Which is pure Shirk e Akbar


O People of the Kitaab! Do not commit ghulu' (excess) in your Deen and do not speak about Allah, but the Haqq (truth)
(Surah Nisaa, 4:171)


يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا تَغْلُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ إِلَّا الْحَقَّ ۚ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ ۚ انتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَـٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۖ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ ۘ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلًا
Yusuf Ali 171: O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (Surah Nisaa, 4:171)
اے اہِل کتاب تم اپنے دین میں حد سے نہ نکلو اور الله کی شان میں سوائے پکی بات کے نہ کہو بے شک مسیح عیسیٰ مریم کا بیٹا الله کا رسول ہے اور الله کا ایک کلمہ ہےجسے الله نے مریم تک پہنچایا اور الله کی طرف سے ایک جان ہے سو الله پر اور اس کے سب رسولوں پر ایمان لاؤ اور نہ کہو کہ خدا تین ہیں اس بات کو چھوڑ دو تمہارے لیے بہتر ہو گا بے شک الله اکیلا معبود ہے وہ اس سے پاک ہے اس کی اولاد ہو اسی کا ہے جو کچھ آسمانوں میں ہے اور جو کچھ زمین میں ہے اور الله کارساز کافی ہے

In Short

1. Allah's Knowledge is Eternal, Prophet's
(صلى الله عليه وسلم) Knowledge was not eternal.
2. Allah's Knowledge Is Zaati, Prophet's
(صلى الله عليه وسلم) Knowledge Is Granted (by Allah)
3. Allah's Knowledge Is Infinite, Prophet's (صلى الله عليه وسلم) Knowledge is Finite