Controversy Solved - A 200 Years Old Manuscript of Naimat Ullah Shah Wali found

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people here share information,.you can like it ,thank it or if you disagree you can dislike it.but,insulting others views and aqaidhs is very bad.anyone who post a thread here is not imposing anything on anyone.especially quoting "quranic translation".merely just to insult others and to impose your point of view or aqeedah is not a good practice.quoting quranic verses without reference to the contextand their well known explaination,just using them as bullets and missiles to hit eachother,is this what you have learned from quran and ahadith,i really feel sorry for such people.

 

[Pakistani1947]

people here share information,.you can like it ,thank it or if you disagree you can dislike it.but,insulting others views and aqaidhs is very bad.anyone who post a thread here is not imposing anything on anyone.especially quoting "quranic translation".merely just to insult others and to impose your point of view or aqeedah is not a good practice.quoting quranic verses without reference to the contextand their well known explaination,just using them as bullets and missiles to hit eachother,is this what you have learned from quran and ahadith,i really feel sorry for such people.

Following is the translation of Quraan 31:34 and the explaination from authentic Hadeeth. Anyone has courage to ignore clear verse of Quraan and clear authentic Hadeeths should be ready for consequences on the Judgement day. May Allah have mercy on all Muslims. Be witnessed that I have communicated the truth through Quraan and authentic Hadeeths without any of my personal views:​

إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنَزِّلُ الْغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْأَرْحَامِ ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَّاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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Yusuf Ali 34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things).(Qur'aan 31:34)​

بے شک الله ہی کو قیامت کی خبر ہے اور وہی مینہ برساتا ہے اور وہی جانتا ہے جو کچھ ماؤں کے پیٹوں میں ہوتا ہے اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کل کیا کرے گا اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کس زمین پر مرے گا بے شک الله جاننے والا خبردار ہے


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Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "The key of the Unseen are five: Verily with Allah (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour He sends down the rain and knows what is in the wombs. No soul knows what it will earn tomorrow, and no soul knows in what land it will die. Verily, Allah is All-Knower, All-aware."(31:34) (Sahih Bukhari Book#60, Hadith#151)

Narrated Masruq: I said to 'Aisha, "O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad see his Lord?" Aisha said, "What you have said makes my hair stand on end ! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, he is a liar: Whoever tells you that Muhammad saw his Lord, is a liar." Then Aisha recited the Verse: 'No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Courteous Well-Acquainted with all things.' (6.103) 'It is not fitting for a human being that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration or from behind a veil.' (42.51) 'Aisha further said, "And whoever tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow, is a liar." She then recited: 'No soul can know what it will earn tomorrow.' (31:34) She added: "And whoever tell you that he concealed (some of Allah's orders), is a liar." Then she recited: 'O Apostle! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord..' (5.67) 'Aisha added. "But the Prophet saw Gabriel in his true form twice." (Shaih Bukhari, Book#60, Hadith#378)

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aik hadees pbuh k aik waqt aye ga,k k loog un ayat ko musalmanoo par lagain ge,jo kafroon k liay nazil hoi hain,tum jaisay fitna parsat munafaq azam har waqt fatwa hi jari kar saktay ahin,Q k Munafaq ki yehi nishani hai

Have you ever thought....Why Allah did not give power to Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) to have knowledge of unseen (علم الغیب) but still there are Muslims who believe that Peer, Walis, Durwaish has the knowledge of unseen (علم الغیب) despite the Qur'aanic verse: Say: None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (Unseen) except Allaah, nor can they perceive when they shall be resurrected [al-Naml 27:65] ?

The correct believe is only Allah informs his Messengers, whenever he wants to, via Wahee (وحی) about Ghaib. Hence Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) would not know about Ghaib (غیب) unless Allah informs him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). Following Hadeeth narrates once Bibi Aisha (Razi Allah Talah Unhun) was wrongly accused and Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) were very worried and had no way of knowing the truth until Allah revealed the Verses (concerning the matter):

Narrated Masruq: I asked Um Ruman, 'Aisha's mother about the accusation forged against 'Aisha. She said, "While I was sitting with 'Aisha, an Ansari woman came to us and said, 'Let Allah condemn such-and-such person.' I asked her, 'Why do you say so?' She replied, 'For he has spread the (slanderous) story.' 'Aisha said, 'What story?' The woman then told her the story. 'Aisha asked, 'Have Abu Bakr and Allah's Apostle heard about it ?' She said, 'Yes.' 'Aisha fell down senseless (on hearing that), and when she came to her senses, she got fever and shaking of the body. The Prophet came and asked, 'What is wrong with her?' I said, 'She has got fever because of a story which has been rumored.' 'Aisha got up and said, 'By Allah! Even if I took an oath, you would not believe me, and if I put forward an excuse, You would not excuse me. My example and your example is just like that example of Jacob and his sons. Against that which you assert, it is Allah (Alone) Whose Help can be sought.' (12.18) The Prophet left and then Allah revealed the Verses (concerning the matter), and on that 'Aisha said, 'Thanks to Allah (only) and not to anybody else." (Sahih Bukhari, Book #55, Hadith #602)

The correct believe is that the Silsila of Wahee (وحی) has been discontinued since the death of Prophet Muhhamd (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). Hence anybody who claims that he has revelation from Allah about Ghaib (غیب) is Kazzaab (کذاب).

There are very serious implication of holding wrong belief is that many hopefuls, Durwaish, Peer, Wali, have launched their religious careers (fan following) by making claim that they have the knowledge of unseen (غیب). Almost all our Sufi saints have established their credibility, and their thrones, by doing this. They first claim to have seen the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), then they say they are in direct contact with him, then they claim they have been divinely inspired, and then they build their economic empires which they leave to their successors.​

 

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Nymat ullah shah (r.a) and his poetry is not fake
but some fake ppl (zaid hamid etc) wants to give his poetry fake meanings

 

[Pakistani1947]

aik hadees

k aik waqt aye ga,k k loog un ayat ko musalmanoo par lagain ge,jo kafroon k liay nazil hoi hain,tum jaisay fitna parsat munafaq azam har waqt fatwa hi jari kar saktay ahin,Q k Munafaq ki yehi nishani hai

Brother lotaa,

Do you mean following verse (31:34) is for non-Muslims and following explanation of verse by Hazrat Aisha is for non-Muslim?

In other words, do you mean to say that in following verse (31:34) Allah says Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the tomorrow (except Muslims), Nauzobillah.

Do you also mean that in following Hadeeth, while Hazrat Aisha (RA) doing explanation of above vesres, she said : "And whoever tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow, is a liar." She then recited: 'No soul can know what it will earn tomorrow.'(31:34); She actually meant to say "And whoever (except Muslims) tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow, is a liar. Nauzobillah.

Following is the translation of Quraan 31:34 and the explaination from authentic Hadeeth. Anyone has courage to ignore clear verse of Quraan and clear authentic Hadeeths should be ready for consequences on the Judgement day. May Allah have mercy on all Muslims. Be witnessed that I have communicated the truth through Quraan and authentic Hadeeths without any of my personal views:
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إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنَزِّلُ الْغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْأَرْحَامِ ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَّاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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Yusuf Ali 34:Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things).(Qur'aan 31:34)

بے شک الله ہی کو قیامت کی خبر ہے اور وہی مینہ برساتا ہے اور وہی جانتا ہے جو کچھ ماؤں کے پیٹوں میں ہوتا ہے اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کل کیا کرے گا اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کس زمین پر مرے گا بے شک الله جاننے والا خبردار ہے
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Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "The key of the Unseen are five: Verily with Allah (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour He sends down the rain and knows what is in the wombs. No soul knows what it will earn tomorrow, and no soul knows in what land it will die. Verily, Allah is All-Knower, All-aware."(31:34) (Sahih Bukhari Book#60, Hadith#151)

Narrated Masruq: I said to 'Aisha, "O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad see his Lord?" Aisha said, "What you have said makes my hair stand on end ! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, he is a liar: Whoever tells you that Muhammad saw his Lord, is a liar." Then Aisha recited the Verse: 'No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Courteous Well-Acquainted with all things.' (6.103) 'It is not fitting for a human being that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration or from behind a veil.' (42.51) 'Aisha further said,"And whoever tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow, is a liar." She then recited: 'No soul can know what it will earn tomorrow.' (31:34) She added: "And whoever tell you that he concealed (some of Allah's orders), is a liar." Then she recited: 'O Apostle! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord..' (5.67) 'Aisha added. "But the Prophet saw Gabriel in his true form twice." (Shaih Bukhari, Book#60, Hadith#378)

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قُلْ لَا يَعْلَمُ مَنْ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ
النمل ٦٥
کہہ دیجئے کہ آسمانوں والوں میں سے زمین والوں میں سے سوائے اللہ کے کوئی غیب نہیں جانتا، انہیں تو یہ بھی نہیں معلوم کہ کب اٹھا کھڑے کیے جائیں گے؟
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قُلْ لَا أَمْلِكُ لِنَفْسِي نَفْعًا وَلَا ضَرًّا إِلَّا مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ وَلَوْ كُنْتُ أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ لَاسْتَكْثَرْتُ مِنَ الْخَيْرِ وَمَا مَسَّنِيَ السُّوءُ إِنْ أَنَا إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ وَبَشِيرٌ لِقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ
الأعراف١٨٨

آپ فرما دیجئے کہ میں خود اپنی ذات خاص کے لئے کسی نفع کا اختیار نہیں رکھتا اور نہ کسی ضرر کا، مگر اتنا ہی کہ جتنا اللہ نے چاہا اور اگر میں غیب کی باتیں جانتا ہوتا تو میں بہت منافع حاصل کرلیتا اور کوئی نقصان مجھے نہ پہنچتا میں تو محض ڈرانے والا اور بشارت دینے والا ہوں ان لوگوں کو جو ایمان رکھتے ہیں​

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عنِ ابْنِ عُمَرَ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمَا: أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ: " مَفَاتِحُ الغَيْبِ خَمْسٌ لاَ يَعْلَمُهَا إِلَّا اللَّهُ: لاَ يَعْلَمُ مَا فِي غَدٍ إِلَّا اللَّهُ، وَلاَ يَعْلَمُ مَا تَغِيضُ الأَرْحَامُ إِلَّا اللَّهُ، وَلاَ يَعْلَمُ مَتَى يَأْتِي المَطَرُ أَحَدٌ إِلَّا اللَّهُ، وَلاَ تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ، وَلاَ يَعْلَمُ مَتَى تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ إِلَّا اللَّهُ

صحابی رسول ابن عمر رضی اللہ تعالیٰ عنہ سے روایت کرتے ہیں کہ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے ارشاد فرمایا کہ غیب کی پانچ باتیں یا کنجیاں ہیں جن کو اللہ تعالیٰ کے سوا کوئی نہیں جانتا ایک تو یہ کہ کل کیا ہونے والا ہے؟دوسرے یہ کہ عورتوں جانوروں وغیرہ کے رحموں میں کیا ہے؟ یعنی نر ہے یا مادہ یا کچھ اور تیسرے یہ کہ بارش کب ہوگی؟ چوتھے آدمی کہاں مرے گا؟ پانچویں قیامت کب آئے گی؟ یہ باتیں صرف اللہ جانتا ہے
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اللہ کے سوا علم غیب کوئی نہیں جانتا جیسا کے اوپر پیش کی گئی آیت سے واضح

علم غیب الگ چیز ہے
اور
غیب کی خبر دینا، غیب پر مطلع کرنا، غیب ظاہر کرنا الگ چیز ہے

بیک وقت کائنات کی ہر شے سے متعلق ماضی حال مستقبل کے تمام ظاہری وباطنی امور وغیرہ
کو جاننے کی قوت ’’علم غیب ‘‘ ہے
یہ علم غیب کی مکمل تشریح نہیں ہے اس کی کامل تشریح کرنے سے مخلوق عاجز ہے

اللہ اپنے علم غیب کی قوت سے جو غیب جانتا ہے اس غیب پر اپنے نبیوں کو مطلع کرتا ہے
اور اتنا ہی مطلع کرتا ہے جتنا وہ چاہتا ہے
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وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُطْلِعَكُمْ عَلَى الْغَيْبِ وَلَكِنَّ اللَّهَ يَجْتَبِي مِنْ رُسُلِهِ مَنْ يَشَاءُ
آل عمران١٧٩

اے عام لوگوں! اللہ اس لئے نہیں تمہیں غیب پر مطلع کردے، ہاں اپنے رسولوں سے چن لیتا ہے جسے چاہے

ملفوظآت اعلی حضرت سے ترجمہ حصہ اول ص ٢٥
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عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَى غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا () إِلَّا مَنِ ارْتَضَى مِنْ رَسُولٍ
الجن٢٦-٢٨

ھ(وہ) غیب کا جاننے والا ہے، پس وہ اپنے غیب پر کسی (عام شخص) کو مطلع نہیں فرماتا، ()ھ
سوائے اپنے پسندیدہ رسولوں کے

طاہرقادری صاحب کا ترجمہ​

 

[pathseeker]

Following is the translation of Quraan 31:34 and the explaination from authentic Hadeeth. Anyone has courage to ignore clear verse of Quraan and clear authentic Hadeeths should be ready for consequences on the Judgement day. May Allah have mercy on all Muslims. Be witnessed that I have communicated the truth through Quraan and authentic Hadeeths without any of my personal views:​

إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنَزِّلُ الْغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْأَرْحَامِ ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَّاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا ۖ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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Yusuf Ali 34: Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He Who knows what is in the wombs. Nor does any one know what it is that he will earn on the morrow: Nor does any one know in what land he is to die. Verily with Allah is full knowledge and He is acquainted (with all things).(Qur'aan 31:34)​

بے شک الله ہی کو قیامت کی خبر ہے اور وہی مینہ برساتا ہے اور وہی جانتا ہے جو کچھ ماؤں کے پیٹوں میں ہوتا ہے اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کل کیا کرے گا اور کوئی نہیں جانتا کہ کس زمین پر مرے گا بے شک الله جاننے والا خبردار ہے


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Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "The key of the Unseen are five: Verily with Allah (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour He sends down the rain and knows what is in the wombs. No soul knows what it will earn tomorrow, and no soul knows in what land it will die. Verily, Allah is All-Knower, All-aware."(31:34) (Sahih Bukhari Book#60, Hadith#151)

Narrated Masruq: I said to 'Aisha, "O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad see his Lord?" Aisha said, "What you have said makes my hair stand on end ! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, he is a liar: Whoever tells you that Muhammad saw his Lord, is a liar." Then Aisha recited the Verse: 'No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Courteous Well-Acquainted with all things.' (6.103) 'It is not fitting for a human being that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration or from behind a veil.' (42.51) 'Aisha further said, "And whoever tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow, is a liar." She then recited: 'No soul can know what it will earn tomorrow.' (31:34) She added: "And whoever tell you that he concealed (some of Allah's orders), is a liar." Then she recited: 'O Apostle! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord..' (5.67) 'Aisha added. "But the Prophet saw Gabriel in his true form twice." (Shaih Bukhari, Book#60, Hadith#378)

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TUMHARE SAATH MASLA KIA HAI NA TUM DOSRON KI BAAT SUNTAY HO NA PARHTAY HO .BHAI TUMHARAY JAISA MUSALMAN BUNANAY SAY MAIN BAQOOL TUMHARAY KAFIR HI ACHA.MAIN YAHAN MANAZRAY YA MUBAHLAY KARNAY KAY LIAY NAHI ATA..MERA ILMEGHAIB KAY BARAY MAIN KIA AQEEDAH HAI WOH TO MAIN NAY TUM SAY DISCUSS HI NAHI KIA PHIR TUM HAR KISI KO APNAY HI NUQTA NAZAR SE KIUN DEKHTAY HO.CONSEQUENCES MAIN BHUGTOON GA TUMHARAY PAIT MAIN KIUN MAROR UTH RAHAY HAIN.BAHAHAAL TUMHARA KAAM FASAD PEHLANA HAI TUM JANO TUMHARA KAAM JANE.

 

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بسم اللہ الرحمٰن الرحیم

قُلْ لَا يَعْلَمُ مَنْ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ
النمل ٦٥
کہہ دیجئے کہ آسمانوں والوں میں سے زمین والوں میں سے سوائے اللہ کے کوئی غیب نہیں جانتا، انہیں تو یہ بھی نہیں معلوم کہ کب اٹھا کھڑے کیے جائیں گے؟

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وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُطْلِعَكُمْ عَلَى الْغَيْبِ وَلَكِنَّ اللَّهَ يَجْتَبِي مِنْ رُسُلِهِ مَنْ يَشَاءُ
آل عمران١٧٩

اے عام لوگوں! اللہ اس لئے نہیں تمہیں غیب پر مطلع کردے، ہاں اپنے رسولوں سے چن لیتا ہے جسے چاہے

ملفوظآت اعلی حضرت سے ترجمہ حصہ اول ص ٢٥
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یہ بات تو قرآن سے صاف واضح ہے کے عالم الغیب صرف اللہ کی ذات ہے
اور اللہ کے علاوہ علم غیب کوئی نہیں جانتا حتیٰ کہ انبیا بھی

البتہ اللہ اپنے پسندیدہ رسولوں کو غیب کی خبریں ضرور دیتا ہے
اور غیب کی خبریں ملنے سے کسی کے پاس علم الغیب نہیں آجاتا

انبیا کے پاس علم غیب یعنی وہ قوت نہیں تھی جس سے وہ غیب جان سکیں
انبیا کو غیب کی خبریں سچے خوابوں اور حضرت جبرائیل کے زریعے سے اللہ کی طرف سے ملتی تھیں

انبیا کے علاوہ کسی ملنگ اور قوال کا مستقبل کی خبریں دینا درحقیقت اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے
مقام کے برابر آنے کا دعوی ہے

کسی قوال، مجاور اور ملنگ کی خبروں پر ایمان لانا اپنے ایمان کو برباد کرنا ہے ​

 

[pathseeker]

بسم اللہ الرحمٰن الرحیم

قُلْ لَا يَعْلَمُ مَنْ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ
النمل ٦٥
کہہ دیجئے کہ آسمانوں والوں میں سے زمین والوں میں سے سوائے اللہ کے کوئی غیب نہیں جانتا، انہیں تو یہ بھی نہیں معلوم کہ کب اٹھا کھڑے کیے جائیں گے؟

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وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُطْلِعَكُمْ عَلَى الْغَيْبِ وَلَكِنَّ اللَّهَ يَجْتَبِي مِنْ رُسُلِهِ مَنْ يَشَاءُ
آل عمران١٧٩

اے عام لوگوں! اللہ اس لئے نہیں تمہیں غیب پر مطلع کردے، ہاں اپنے رسولوں سے چن لیتا ہے جسے چاہے

ملفوظآت اعلی حضرت سے ترجمہ حصہ اول ص ٢٥
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یہ بات تو قرآن سے صاف واضح ہے کے عالم الغیب صرف اللہ کی ذات ہے
اور اللہ کے علاوہ علم غیب کوئی نہیں جانتا حتیٰ کہ انبیا بھی

البتہ اللہ اپنے پسندیدہ رسولوں کو غیب کی خبریں ضرور دیتا ہے
اور غیب کی خبریں ملنے سے کسی کے پاس علم الغیب نہیں آجاتا

انبیا کے پاس علم غیب یعنی وہ قوت نہیں تھی جس سے وہ غیب جان سکیں
انبیا کو غیب کی خبریں سچے خوابوں اور حضرت جبرائیل کے زریعے سے اللہ کی طرف سے ملتی تھیں

انبیا کے علاوہ کسی ملنگ اور قوال کا مستقبل کی خبریں دینا درحقیقت اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے
مقام کے برابر آنے کا دعوی ہے

کسی قوال، مجاور اور ملنگ کی خبروں پر ایمان لانا اپنے ایمان کو برباد کرنا

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• The Knowledge of the Unseen (Ilm-ul-Ghayb)
  
  We, The Ahle As Sunnah, believe that Allah has given the knowledge of the Ghayb (unseen), to the Prophet [May Allah bless him and grant him peace], and that it is also permissable to say that our Prophet [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knows the knowledge of the Ghayb. However, it is not possible, nor permissable to say that the Prophets [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knowledge of the Ghayb is equal to that of Allah - or even like the knowledge of Allah, since Allahs knowledge is His own and the Prophets [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knowledge has been given to him by Allah.
  There are some people, who say to hold such beliefs will render that person a Kafir or an unbeliever. We will prove, with the help of Allah, that such a notion is not one of kufr.
  
  Belief of the Ahle Sunnah about ilm of the Ghayb
  
  Mufti Ahmad Yar Khan (Allah have mercy on him) states:-
  
  Allah has informed His Prophets about certain things from the Unseen. The knowledge of the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) is more than anyone elses. Nobody can be equal to the knowledge of the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) knowledge in the world. The five special things of the Unseen, Allah has informed some of these parts to the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace).
  (See book Ja-alhaq, chapter Masala Gaib by Mufti Ahmad Yar Khan.)
  
  
  Proof from the Quran that the Prophet Muhammad [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] has been given the knowledge of Ghayb
  
  Allah says in the Quran,
  
  These are the tidings of Unseen that We reveal to you in secret.
  Surah-Ale-Imran, verse 44.
  
  Nor will He disclose to you the secrets of the Unseen. But He chooses of His Apostles (For the purpose)
  Surah-Ale-Imran, verse 179.
  
  The Knower of Unseen reveals not His secret to anyone. Except to His chosen Messengers.
  Surah-Al-Jinn, verse 26.
  
  Allah has sent down to you the Book and Wisdom and has taught to you what you did not know, and great is the grace of Allah upon you.
  Surah Al-Nisa, Verse 113.
  
  Imam Tabari writes under this verse:
  
  Allah TAALA has told the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace), you must thank Allah TAALA Who has informed you of what has already happened and what will happen in the future and this is a great grace of Allah upon you.
  (Tafsir Tabari under verse 113 of Surah Al-Nisa).
  
  The above Quranic verses prove that Allah TAALA has given Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) the knowledge of the Ghayb.
  
  
  
  Proofs from the Ahadith that Prophet Muhammad [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] had the knowledge of the Ghayb
  
  We find in a narration from the collection of Imam Bukhari :
  
  Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) stood up in one meeting and he started to tell us about events from the beginning of this world to the end and he told us about heaven and hell and about the people who were going to hell and who were going to heaven and what will be their places in heaven and hell. Of course, some people remember what he told us and some people have forgotten.
  (Bukhari, Chapter Bada-Ul-Khalq.)
  
  Imam Muslim writes that:
  
  The Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) led the Fajr prayer and then sat on the pulpit, and until Zuhr he told the people of the things about the Unseen. After Zuhr, he sat on the pulpit and continued until Asar, then sat on the pulpit and continued until Maghrib prayer. He even informed of the dwellers of Paradise and Hell.
  (Muslim chapter on Fadial).
  
  Hafidhh ibn Hajar Asqalani in his famous commentary to Sahih Bukhari writes that:
  
  What Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) told in that one meeting is a miracle of the Prophet and this should not be doubted.
  (Fathul Bari chap on Bada-Ul-Khalq).
  
  Imam Bukhari writes:
  
  The Munafiqs (hypocrites- those who were outwardly Muslims but inwardly unbelievers) made an objection to the knowledge of the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace). The Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) stood on the pulpit and said, Ask me what you will.One person stood up and asked, What will be my place in the Hereafter? The Prophet replied, Hell. Another person whose name was Abdullah bin Huzaifa, (people doubted whether he was a legitimate child), stood up and asked, Who is my Father? The Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) replied, Your Father is Huzaifa. (The accusation on Abdullah bin Huzaifa was cleared.) The Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) repeated, Ask me, ask me.
  [Bukhari Kitab-ul-Itisaam Muslim chap on Fadial].
  
  It is evident from this Hadith that the only people who objected to the knowledge (Ilm-e-ghaib) of the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) were the Munafiqs (hypocrites), and the belief that Allah informed His Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) of more knowledge than any one else is the belief of the blessed companions of the Prophet.
  
  Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal quotes the following narration which provides more evidence on the Prophets knowledge :
  
  The Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) stated, I have seen my Lord, He put His hands upon my chest, after which everything appeared before me and I recognized everything.
  [Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, vol 5, page 243]
  
  Hafidhh Ibn Kathir writes:
  
  A shepherd was with his goats. Upon which a wolf came and grabbed one goat and ran. The shepherd then chased after the wolf to get the goat back. The wolf then spoke to him and said, Why do you take what food (rizq) which Allah has provided for me? The shepherd was astonished that the wolf spoke. The wolf again said, If you are so surprised that I can talk then go to Madina. You will find the last of the Prophets, and he can inform you of the Past and the Future. The shepherd left his goats and went straight to the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) and mentioned his experience. The Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) replied, The wolf spoke the truth" Isnad (chain of narrators) for this hadith is (Jayid) Authentic.
  [Taareekh: Chapter of Miracles of Prophet [May Allah bless Him and grant Him peace].
  
  We also find the following clear cut hadith without any ambigious meanings from Sahih Muslim:
  The Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) stated, Allah put the earth before me and I saw it from the East to the West
  [Muslim (Chapter of Excellence of the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace]
  
  This Hadith is a proof that the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) was bestowed with the knowledge of the whole world.
  
  Hafidhh Ibn Kathir and Ibn Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab al Najdi write:
  Suad bin Qarib recited a poem in front of the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace), I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah. Allah has made you the trustee over all the ghaib.
  [Sirat-un-Nabi and Mukhtasar Sirat ul Rasool, Storey on Swad bin Qariq by Hafidhh ibn Kathir and Ibn Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab al Najdi]
  Shaykh-ul-Islam, al-Hafidhh Ibn Hajar Asqalani writes that:
  
  One of the qualities bestowed upon a Prophet is the quality that he knows what has already happened in the past and what will happen in the future.
  (Fathul Bari chap on Anbiya).
  
  From all the above Ahadith it is proven that the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) was bestowed with more knowledge, than any other in the creation by Allah Almighty. It is also clear that he, (May Allah bless him and grant him peace), has been bestowed with the knowledge of the past and future and it is therefore permissible to say that Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) is the trustee of the knowledge of Ghayb.
  
  It is proven from the above narrations that Allah Almighty bestowed (that is gave) our Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) the knowledge of the Ghayb, so it is permissible to say that he, (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) knows the Ghayb. Hence if someone says that they hold the Prophet to know the Ghayb(unseen), he is not committing Kufr or Shirk by holding such a belief.
  
  Sayyedina Khidr (Alay hissalaam) also knew the Ghayb?
  
  Imam Tabari, Imam Qurtabi and Qadi Shawkani quote the following narration:
  
  Ibn Abbas reported that Khidr was a man who did all his work with the knowledge of the Ghayb because he knew the Ghayb.
  [Tafsir Tabari, Tafsir Qurtabi, Tafsir Fathul Qadir, by Imam Tabari, Qurtabi and Qadi Shawkani].
  
  The above statement proves from a narration from a Sahabi, which is accepted by leading and reputable classical authorities, that it is permissible to say about Khidhr that he knew the Ghayb, so how can it possibly be wrong to say that Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) also knows the Ghayb.
  
  Hafidhh ibn Kathir and Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab al Najdi wrote;
  Malik Bin Aouf Nazri has written a Poem about our Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) and has written
  I have not seen any one like you in this world that I can compare with.
  Who always fulfill all that he promises.
  There is no one more generous than him,
  When you ask him some thing he will inform you of what is going to happen tomorrow.
  [Sirat an Nabi Ibn Kathir and Muktasar Sirat al Rasool chapter Gazwa Hawazan by Hafidh ibn Kathir and Ibn Shaykh Najdy]
  
  
  We will now examine some doubts that are raised by the opponents of the above Quranic and Ahadith based beliefs, and then by the grace of Allah, will answer their doubts so that the truth may become clear, Inshaallah.
  
  Q) How can you say that Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) has been given the knowledge of the Ghayb when Allah Almighty says in the Quran that there are five things of which no one has any knowledge about?
  
  The relevant verse of the Quran is as follows:-
  
  Undoubtedly, Allah has the knowledge of the Hour, and He sends rain and knows what is in the wombs of the mothers and no soul knows in what land it will die. Undoubtedly, Allah is the Knower, All Aware. (Surah Luqman Verse 34)
  
  There are two answers to this:
  
  The word used in this verse in Arabic is Adri, which refers to that knowledge which someone can attain by guessing. Of course the knowledge of the Unseen of the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) was not by guessing. Allah informed this to him.
  
  Hafidhh Ibn Kathir (who met and briefly studied with Ibn Taymiyya) has written in his famous commentary to the Quran, Tafsir Ibn Kathir, the meaning of this ayaat, namely, that no-one can find the knowledge of these things on there own endeavor. Only Allah can give this knowledge, for example Allah gives knowledge to the Angels whose duties are to control rain, and therefore on the command of Allah it rains.
  Also Allah commands an Angel who goes into the mothers womb and hangs a record around the childs neck what he/she will do in their lifetime. This knowledge is not attained by the Angel but rather it is given by Allah Himself.
  
  If the [SUB]literal and direct meaning is taken from the above quoted ayaat, then it will mean that only Allah knows what is in the mothers womb[/SUB] but today, we can discover quite easily if the child is a male or female by modern scanning techniques.
  
  If the Angels have some knowledge on the five Unseen things - given to them by Allah, why is it strange if the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) also has some of this knowledge - again bestowed by Allah.
  
  During the battle of Badr, the Prophet mentioned the names of the kafirs that were to die the next and also described the manner in which the companions would achieve martyrdom.
  These are clear and authentic examples of the Prophet, (May Allah bless him and grant him peace), informing his ummah about future events, hidden from all else (ie ghayb), [Taken from Sahih Bukhari chapter on the Battle of Badr and also Tafsir Ibn Kathir on Surah Luqman Ayaat 34.]
  
  (Q) Did Prophet Muhammad (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) not stop people from saying that he [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] had the knowledge of tomorrow?
  
  On one occasion our Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) went to a wedding. There, the girls were singing about the battle of Badr. When they saw the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) coming they stopped singing about Battle of Badr and started to sing that: "There is a Prophet amongst us that knows about tomorrow". The Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) said carry on singing what you were singing before. [Miskat chapter Nikah]
  If he [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knew about tomorrow, then why did he stop them from singing it?
  
  The Answer to this is:
  These poems were written by a Companion [Sahabi], and had it been incorrect, he [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] would have instructed them to stop immediately and not to repeat.
  
  This means the poem was right. The reason he told them to stop singing was because a wedding celebration was taking place and he wanted them to sing the poem that they were singing before, and secondly he did not want them to praise him in the presence of himself. That was one of the beauties of our Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace), that he didnt like to be praised.
  
  Everyone knows that our Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) did know about the future events up to the Day of Judgment and even after, how else could he have told us about the Mahdi, the Dajjal, the second coming of Jesus, the questions to be asked in the grave, the bridge over Hell which everyone will have to cross to get to Heaven, the Meezan (scales) where everyones actions will be weighed etc etc.
  
  There are countless more proofs which show without a shadow of a doubt that the Beloved Messenger of Allah, (May Allah bless him and grant him peace), had been given the knowledge of the Ghayb (Unseen) and ALLAH is the knower of all things!
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[Temojin]

Leave it mates, I assure you that any amongst these don't even care reading what you have written with references and reasoning. You have done your duty and step away now saying salam.

See, if anyone doesn't want to ask through waseelah or doesn't want to believe in this scripture, it is ok but the time he starts calling the other mushrik, it goes all wrong and he falls into a pit with black heart.

 

[moahhid]

Anyone may have any faith and can practice anything, we don’t have any problem with that because our Deen teaches us tolerance towards other faiths BUT, BUT, BUT when someone try to label something with the name Islam (especially when they try to spread it with the name Islam) then we will ask for proof from Quran and Sunnah whether you like it or not.

 

[moahhid]

We don’t name anybody but anyone who is worshiping anyone or anything other than Allah S.W.T or associate partner(s) with Allah S.W.T in His Lordship, Worship and/ or names and attributes is a Mushrik. Now, if someone fits into this definition due to his/ her aqeedah or practice that is not my fault.

 

[such bolo]

We, The Ahle As Sunnah, believe that Allah has given the knowledge of the Ghayb (unseen), to the Prophet [May Allah bless him and grant him peace], and that it is also permissable to say that our Prophet [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knows the knowledge of the Ghayb. However, it is not possible, nor permissable to say that the Prophet’s [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knowledge of the Ghayb is equal to that of Allah - or even like the knowledge of Allah, since Allah’s knowledge is His own and the Prophet’s [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] knowledge has been given to him by Allah.

بسم اللہ الرحمٰن الرحیم


[MENTION=23919]pathseeker[/MENTION]
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میرے بھائی آپ کی بات بھی وہی ہے جو ہم کافی دیر سے سمجھانے کی کوشش کر رہے ہیں


کیا اللہ مستقبل کی خبریں جاننے کے لئے کسی کا محتاج ہے؟؟؟
نہیں ہر گز نہیں
کیوں کے اللہ کے پاس علم غیب ہے
جس کے پاس علم غیب ہو وہ غیب کی خبروں کے لئے کسی کا محتاج نہیں ہوسکتا

کیا اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم مسقبل ماضی یا حال کی خبریں جاننے کے لئے اللہ کے محتاج تھے ؟
کیا اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے پاس جبرائیل امین غیب کی خبریں لے کر آتے تھے؟؟
ہاں
کیوں کہ نبی کے پاس علم غیب نہیں تھا
اگر اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے علم غیب ہوتا تو غیب کی خبروں کے لئے جبرائیل امین کی کیا ضرورت؟؟؟



اس لئے اللہ عالم الغیب ہے
اور نبی عالم الغیب نہیں ​

 

[onlykami]

Whats your opinion about the ahadeeth which [MENTION=4976]pakistani[/MENTION]1947 quoted?????

So the copy paste spree starts... :)

 

[onlykami]

Brother Jazakallah you enlighten the whole discussion in a very simple words, if still someone is confuse than we just pray for him

بسم اللہ الرحمٰن الرحیم


@pathseeker



میرے بھائی آپ کی بات بھی وہی ہے جو ہم کافی دیر سے سمجھانے کی کوشش کر رہے ہیں


کیا اللہ مستقبل کی خبریں جاننے کے لئے کسی کا محتاج ہے؟؟؟
نہیں ہر گز نہیں
کیوں کے اللہ کے پاس علم غیب ہے
جس کے پاس علم غیب ہو وہ غیب کی خبروں کے لئے کسی کا محتاج نہیں ہوسکتا

کیا اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم مسقبل ماضی یا حال کی خبریں جاننے کے لئے اللہ کے محتاج تھے ؟
کیا اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے پاس جبرائیل امین غیب کی خبریں لے کر آتے تھے؟؟
ہاں
کیوں کہ نبی کے پاس علم غیب نہیں تھا
اگر اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے علم غیب ہوتا تو غیب کی خبروں کے لئے جبرائیل امین کی کیا ضرورت؟؟؟



اس لئے اللہ عالم الغیب ہے
اور نبی عالم الغیب نہیں ​

 

[TruPakistani]

Can some of the learned members tell me :

1. How can some people see glimpses of future in dreams ?
2. What is the term القا mean. It is pronounced as "Al-qa" ?

P.S; No copy pastes and no long replies please.

 

[babadeena]

1. How can some people see glimpses of future in dreams ?

Dreams are not restricted to "some People", rather this is with everyone.
Almost all our narrations attributed to some pious past personalities, contain
this typical sentence :
"In the meantime, he fell slept and what he saw in his dream was................
..........." then whole story is built upon such thing.
Dreams convey future glimpses, whether it is correct, is something
open to question. Everyone is not like Ibrahim(as) or Yusuf (as).

2. What is the term القا mean. It is pronounced as "Al-qa" ?

The nearest meaning in English, can be "to put" (into something). If you
wish I can give you quranic verses in this regard.
The other same word is "laq" which is "to meet". (Mulaqaat)