Benevolent and Visionary Sir Musharraf - Pakistan Flourished under his Policies - acceptance evolvin

[opinion_786]

They keep posting same things again and again without any shame
Following was my response to their earlier post on same subject.

Here is the true story of your economic propaganda.

Pak Economy in 1999 was: $ 75 billion
Pak Economy in 2007 is: $ 160 billion..............................

Support your rhetorics with facts and figures, and I'll answer them back.

FYKI, the statistics have been updated

http://presidentmusharraf.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/economic-comparison-1999-2007-and-beyond/

 

[abbasiali]

Figures that are recorded by State Bank of Pakistan, IMF, World Bank, JP Morgan, Standard & Poors, ADB, Goldman Sachs, WEF can never be considered as fabricated. What are authentic figures? Figures are recorded and presented by State Bank of pakistan. Presented in National Assembly and Economic Survey's of Pakistan - by government in charge. PPP has never backed off or failed to accept, the growth that registered under Musharraf.

Pakistan's economy has NOT collapsed. Macro-economic Indicators register growth or register decline. In Musharraf's era they registered growth year-on-year and now they're registering decline in several places. Once, they'll start registering growth, again, would mean we are moving forward. Earlier growth was 7% average and now its 2%. Growth declines which results in overall economic condition of any nation.

Collapse means Bankrupt. If our debt servicing reaches a stage where we are unable to perform obligations, or alternatively generate enough revenue to support that. Increased debt servicing means halting all expenditure on infrastructure development and public growth.

You are welcome to ask further.

Thanks a lot, So does this means you don't have answer to my Question.

I know very well, what had been recorded by institution names you mentioned, try your luck to bring one document from these institutions, you will find the truth, in fact I will advise you to experience something real like this, instead of getting informations from propaganda websites from Musharaf etc.

Any ways nice try, again, I will offer you to respond my Question, if you could, which I doubt., in fact up till now, you must have had forgt my QUESTION, do you want me to repeat? lol

 

[abbasiali]

well brother aapko phir koiee nhi mna sakta aapki nazar ne sab figures fabricated hain beghare kisi proof k aap ye baat kaho gey phir mushkil he jnab.

LOL

So sweet of you, I really like this,

 

[abbasiali]

Pakistani were shoved under debt servicing before Musharraf came. Nawaz took debt to 100% of GDP. Musharaf lowed it from 64% and controlled it to 27%. Our debt servicing decreased. PPP in 2008 till 2010 increased our debts again, from $41.5 billion to $54 billion. Debt servicing INCREASES and that causes less money being spend on development & PSDP. I have several sources, you are welcome to ask. Thanks

I'll talk in figures. According to State Bank of Pakistan,

1988 - $ 18 bn (BB took over)
1990 - $ 20.5 bn
1999 - $ 38.9 bn (BB & NS era ends and Musharraf takes over)


2000 - $ 35.48 bn
2001 - $ 37.2 bn
2002 - $ 34.8 bn
2003 - $ 35.4 bn
2004 - $ 35.3 bn
2005 - $ 35.8 bn
2006 - $ 37.6 bn


2007 - $ 40.5 bn (PPP took over)
2008 - $ 45.9 bn

2009 - $ 55.67bn
2010 - $ 54.23bn


I quote Ministry of Finance, issued and accepted by PPP.

WOW

Looks you have done some home work, I don't know why I have this feeling, you hardly have gone through this PDF file, just read carefully your self, you will find a lot. but nnothing which you are trying to protect for some one behalf.

 

[GeoG]

Support your rhetorics with facts and figures, and I'll answer them back.

FYKI, the statistics have been updated

http://presidentmusharraf.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/economic-comparison-1999-2007-and-beyond/

You guys have posted these figures with various ID's .
Musharraf had illegally occupied the Presidency only until 2007 so we will stick to this period.

If you have changed (updated?) the figures, Qalam Tumharay Hath Main Hai Chahay 10 Likho Ya 100, Tumhari Marzi.

I have not done a cut n paste job, as your goodself, so take some pain, analyze the figures, tell me where I am wrong and I will respond accordingly.
Its been somewhile since touching these finance books but no harm in clearing the dust from them.
I assure you of a non personal debate.

 

[khan125]

Again long false stories,

Just simply answer my Question if you can, otherwise stay away.

Thanks

well electricity is not a figure you can really feel it:) where did it go after musharraf??
suger is also something solid can be seen where did it vanish after musharraf?
where did the wheat go it was there not in fugures but in reality?
PhD scholars were sent to europe and america not just on paper but in reality why they are not being sent now?
dollar was on 61 in all musharraf time its not figures its fact.
i thin opinion_786 has already posted many things which really physically exist and were done in musharraf's time just saying i don't believe in figures would not work these are not figures they are on ground realities.

question is to be asked from this democratic govt. where did everything go????
kia musharraf jaib me daal k le gaya????

 

[opinion_786]

I know very well, what had been recorded by institution names you mentioned, try your luck to bring one document from these institutions, you will find the truth, in fact I will advise you to experience something real like this, instead of getting informations from propaganda websites from Musharaf etc.

I have all the documents frrom these institutions and I also know the truth. However had you read only the newspapers, perhaps you would have known as well.

IMF, WB praise Pakistan's economic and fiscal performance

http://pakistantimes.net/2004/01/28/top3.htm


PAK Economic growth has bolstered intl confidence: WB

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\03\23\story_23-3-2007_pg5_16


World Bank President praises Pakistan's recent economic achievement

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-3651986/World-Bank-President-praises-Pakistan.html#abstract

IMF praise for Pakistan

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2677821.stm


"ADB praises micro-finance in Pakistan

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_28-12-2004_pg7_40


The world's most dangerous haven or Asia's Best Stock Exchange Karachi

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/27/guess-which-country-has-t_n_83496.html


Strong growth, aggressive privatisation boost FDI inflows: World Investment Report 2007

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\10\20\story_20-10-2007_pg5_6

Global financial bodies upbeat about Pakistan's economy

ISLAMABAD (February 19 2007): Despite internal law and order problems, the month of February appears to be highly encouraging for Pakistan as several international financial institutions have painted a very upbeat picture of the current and future outlook for its economy.

Summary of the three reports of the J. P Morgan, the Merrill Lynch, and the City Group on the performance of Pak economy have already appeared in the press in addition to a very positive report of the World Bank released in Washington on "Doing Business in South Asia - 2007, which gives high marks to Pakistan in improving its business environment.

The World Bank has ranked Pakistan 74th as against India at 143 in the ranking of doing businesses in the world, and declared it as the runner-up reformer in the region in implementing reforms to simplify cross border trade and reduce corporate tax rates.

Yet another global investment and financial institution, the Goldman Sachs, has released its report on Pakistan growth potential giving high marks to its current and future economic prospects as well as to the prudent handing of economy by economic team of the government.

Doing Business 2007

http://www.doingbusiness.org/documents/press_releases_07/db07southasiapressrelease.pdf


Pakistan was the runner-up reformer in South Asia this year. Reforms to modernize customs reduced time to import from 39 to 15 days and time to export from 33 to 24 days. Corporate tax rates fell from 39 percent in 2004 to 37 percent in 2005 and 35 percent in 2006. Bangladesh also reformed, introducing a new land registration act to improve security and reduce corruption in land transactions.

Doing Business allows policymakers to compare regulatory performance with other countries, learn from best practices globally, and prioritize reforms.

 

[opinion_786]

WOW. Looks you have done some home work, I don't know why I have this feeling, you hardly have gone through this PDF file, just read carefully your self, you will find a lot. but nnothing which you are trying to protect for some one behalf.

I have read this PDF and all files starting from 1999 onwards till 2010.

 

[opinion_786]

[ If you have changed (updated?) the figures, Qalam Tumharay Hath Main Hai Chahay 10 Likho Ya 100, Tumhari Marzi.

Qalam is always supported from various financial institutions. You need the PPP version?

Gilani calls upon Chinese companies to invest in Pakistan in a big way
BEIJING (October 25 2008): Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani on Friday urged the Chinese companies to invest in Pakistan in a big way, strengthening the bonds of ever-lasting Sino-Pak friendship through economic diplomacy. Our GDP has doubled to US $170 billion, our resilient population with a rich agriculture base and sufficient natural resources will support an economical revival.

http://www.brecorder.com/index.php?id=825744&currPageNo=1&query=&search=&term=&supDate=

"PPP govt appreciates economic policies of Musharraf regime"

16 Jan 2009: While publicly it criticizes former President Musharraf for the present economic mess, the government in its official documents has appreciated the economic policies of the previous regime that became a strong base for seeking loans from multilateral donors and friends of Pakistan. The LoI said the countrys real GDP increased from $60 billion in 2000-01 to $170 billion in 2007-08 with per capital income rising from under $500 to over $1000. During the same period, the volume of international trade increased to nearly $60 billion from $20 billion.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/govt-appreciates-economic-policies-of-musharraf-regime-aah

Amin Fahim accepts Economic performance

http://www.pid.gov.pk/press27-03-09.htm

28-03-09: The Commerce Minister Makhdoom Amin Fahim, briefed the businessmen and representatives of business organization about ever growing investment and trade opportunities in Pakistan, evident from the fact that the volume of foreign direct investments has increased to over $ 8.4 billion in 2006-2007 as compared to average of 400 million in the 1990s, Makhdoom Amin Fahim further pointed out that with growth rate of 5.8% during 2007-2008, Pakistan remains one of the fastest growing economy in the world and has seen growth rate of up to 7.5% during past few years.

Minister for Water and Power Raja Pervez Ashraf had blamed the Musharraf regime for not inducting even a single unit in the power generation system, but two days ago the Ministry of Water and Power in a written reply to the National Assembly refuted the claim of its own Ministry. The ministry conceded that 2200 MW power had been injected in the system during the last seven years.
http://www.brecorder.com/index.php?id=841386&currPageNo=1&query=&search=&term=&supDate=

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

just telling stores and weeping about the past is not going to help..........

if you say worst form of democracy is better than dictatorship then why you hate zardari love him praise him.................

yes its a gift of musharraf for those who have the fever of democracy who think worst democracy is better than dictatorship.............why dont they thank musharraf for that why these munafiks on one hand keep saying democracy and on the other hand accuse musharraf of bringing the democracy champian zardari............

love zardari bc worst democracy is better than dictatorship...................

if saving skin is where you criticize musharraf then musharraf was a non elected man compare him to NS 2 3rd majority PM elected represented why he ran away leaving those who elected him gave him 2 3rd majority to a dictator.

why don't you criticize him who ran away like a jakal not even thinking of the 2-3rd majority given to him by the people of this nation??????????

It is only those stubborn Dictator praising stooges of former dicator who will not answer the questions but rather pose another question. Just look at your above answer. I presented you the comparison to your neighbour enemy who has done wonders under the elected representation of the people of that country. while in Your country, thugs from the Army keep coming back and ruling the country like a kingdom. Funny yet, the same politicians you are lementing about were holding the ministries within the Dictatorial regimes . Why on earth you think, the Dictator would be dependent on the same corrupt Politicians, he so dearly kicked out ? It is all PR for the common people of Pakistan and defaming the political system.
The history of Pakistan has seen Dictators rule this country more than the civilians .They all screw up the country and then fled the country by striking deals with their masters . Nawaz Sharif indeed came back to Pakistan and was sent back again from the airport by the order of the King of Pakistan Musharraf. He was ruling the country like his own personal properties.And they all suckers do that. You who are promoting and propagating in favour of Musharraf has not seen how much people of Pakistan hate this foreign slave. The pit we are in is the consequesnces of his blind slavery to foreign powers. This pathetic piece of trash could not even stay in his own country after screwing it up badly.He took off never to return back. Good ridden, you can keep him, west can keep him and other mother fathers can keep him as well...

And your funny talk about recognizing and respecting the people's mandate in Nawaz Sharif's case. What a twisted mentality of dictator's praiser. Why your beloved Dictator didn't think about it before occupying the Prime Minister's office by sending thugs to arrest him ? Would he cared about his public Mandate and thought about respecting the vote of people of Pakistan ? Go get a life, you looser.

 

[opinion_786]

^^^ Zaidi Qasim, as you have nothing new to contribute. Listen to this video of Kamran Khan, where he praises Musharraf's family, wife and children and his upbringing. I have yet to hear this for any politician. Listen to after 8 minute.

 

[GeoG]

Qalam is always supported from various financial institutions. You need the PPP version?

Any of your version will do, Musharraf or PPP
Just take all figures from one set of version, not that GDP from one set and Debt Service Ratio from the other.
You Choice.

You have my response no 32 of this thread, just tell me where I am wrong in my assessment.
No Cut n Paste Please
and no crap from selective statements and KK like interview.

 

[Zaidi Qasim]

^^^ Zaidi Qasim, as you have nothing new to contribute. Listen to this video of Kamran Khan, where he praises Musharraf's family, wife and children and his upbringing. I have yet to hear this for any politician. Listen to after 8 minute.

What it got to do with his illegal taking over the Government of Pakistan. And remember, in later 1999, The west ( which now you love to quote) were condeming his illegal coup against civilian Governemnt. Bill Clinton didn't even want to come to Pakistan under Musharraf's regime. And that was all before he became their hunch man. I do not need to see If Kamran likes the way Musharraf was brought up or no, I do not need any witnesses to prove his mentality. I know that he ruined my country, sold the ordinary people and collected dollars from Americans. I know what he done to the Constituion of Pakistan ( like his previous Dictators) . I know why Amnericans romming around Pakistan and how they rommed around Pakistan picking up Pakistanis from their homes during his time. I know that 2/3 of the airspace was handed to America. I also know that at some of those airstrips, even Pak Airforce Officials couldn't entry without American consent. That is the lowest point of a foreign agent who sold the soul of the country for few dollars which were not even spent on the people of Pakistan. You are only acting as a hired peptalk person for Musharraf. Your facts are only one sided and prejudiced.

 

[opinion_786]

Any of your version will do, Musharraf or PPP You have my response no 32 of this thread, just tell me where I am wrong in my assessment. [/COLOR]

Brother, your response 32 is all oratory calculations, unsubstantiated and cannot be supported by any figures. Its just like minusing KSE market capitalization from Reserves. There's a rationality in economics. One cannot balance one from the other.

Western economies were all averaging 2% when Pakistan's rose to become 7% - and now that our economy is 2%, our neighbours India and China are still averaging 7% to 9%. Why? Its a country's independent efforts & policies that we rise and our negligence that we fall.

However, you are welcome to bring up any figures that are unproven. I'll answer them. If not today, tomorrow. Thanks

 

[opinion_786]

What it got to do with his illegal taking over the Government of Pakistan. And remember, in later 1999, The west ( which now you love to quote) were condeming his illegal coup against civilian Governemnt. Bill Clinton didn't even want to come to Pakistan under Musharraf's regime. And that was all before he became their hunch man. I do not need to see If Kamran likes the way Musharraf was brought up or no, I do not need any witnesses to prove his mentality. I know that he ruined my country, sold the ordinary people and collected dollars from Americans. I know what he done to the Constituion of Pakistan ( like his previous Dictators) . I know why Amnericans romming around Pakistan and how they rommed around Pakistan picking up Pakistanis from their homes during his time. I know that 2/3 of the airspace was handed to America. I also know that at some of those airstrips, even Pak Airforce Officials couldn't entry without American consent. That is the lowest point of a foreign agent who sold the soul of the country for few dollars which were not even spent on the people of Pakistan. You are only acting as a hired peptalk person for Musharraf. Your facts are only one sided and prejudiced.

Brother, west never concerned me. My love for Musharraf is for the achievements he achieved for pakistan, under Pakistan First! I hell care what the west thinks. I only know policies that are made keeping in mind Pakistan's National Interest.

As for the rest of your post, you still need to bring up supporting evidences. Musharraf never broke the constitution. The constitution is altered in a systematic way, through National Assembly and Senate. Why don't you condemn what your Ameer-ul-Momineen NS was doing with 13th and 14th amendments to constitution?

 

[GeoG]

Brother, your response 32 is all oratory calculations, unsubstantiated and cannot be supported by any figures. Its just like minusing KSE market capitalization from Reserves. There's a rationality in economics. One cannot balance one from the other.

Western economies were all averaging 2% when Pakistan's rose to become 7% - and now that our economy is 2%, our neighbours India and China are still averaging 7% to 9%. Why? Its a country's independent efforts & policies that we rise and our negligence that we fall.

However, you are welcome to bring up any figures that are unproven. I'll answer them. If not today, tomorrow. Thanks

I look forward to your answer
and your comment about European economies growing by 2 percent,
our comparable ecoomies should be China and India and not Europe
Even Europe was averaging at around 5 percent during that era.

 

[opinion_786]

I look forward to your answer
and your comment about European economies growing by 2 percent,
our comparable ecoomies should be China and India and not Europe
Even Europe was averaging at around 5 percent during that era.

I have already answered you. You bring forth credible sources to prove what you have written in post 32. Otherwise, they are just oral rantings. Further, I have proven to you, Pakistan's economy was growing 7% under Musharraf and now its 2% under PPP. Today, India and China are still averaging 7% to 9%. Why this conflict of Pakistan with its comparable economies?

No Europe was not averaging around 5% during that era.

European Union - GDP growth
2005 - 2.0
2006 - 3.2
2007 - 2.9

Euro Zone - GDP growth
2005 - 1.7
2006 - 3.0
2007 - 2.7

You can take out the average.

 

[GeoG]

I have already answered you. You bring forth credible sources to prove what you have written in post 32. Otherwise, they are just oral rantings. Further, I have proven to you, Pakistan's economy was growing 7% under Musharraf and now its 2% under PPP. Today, India and China are still averaging 7% to 9%. Why this conflict of Pakistan with its comparable economies?

No Europe was not averaging around 5% during that era.

European Union - GDP growth
2005 - 2.0
2006 - 3.2
2007 - 2.9

Euro Zone - GDP growth
2005 - 1.7
2006 - 3.0
2007 - 2.7

You can take out the average.

Don't play games, do the averge of 1999 - 2007 and see the result.

 

[opinion_786]

You are welcome to provide them to me. Or, should I provide them? And, also inform why Indian and Chinese economy still averages 7-9% while ours is down to 2% ?

 

[GeoG]

You are welcome to provide them to me. And, also inform why Indian and Chinese economy still averages 7-9% while ours is down to 2% ?

It averarges around 3.8 percent for this period (+-0.2 percent due to inclusion of new memeber states) whose reporting standards were not same as of Developed countries.
source FT.com

Your beloved General has given a great Tohfa of War on Terror, which intensified after 2007 plus non payment of 400+ billion rupees to Power Generators, no power no production simple hence very low growth of GDP.