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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:12 am

taul,
I understand! actually you are saying like that because you don't have any logical answer for Mr Ludhianvi's non sense Fatwas.

And I am posting a link as a reply for your Itarazaat (at http://irshad.org/exposed/false.php) on Mirza Sahib (as).
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/library/261.html

On that link your site says Mirza sahib's age was 68???? are you sure about that
Mirza Sahib(as) was born in 1835 and died in 1908?????????? how come it is 68????????
Now tell me who is liar?????? Answer my questions please.
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Topic:- Whats Real Date of Birth Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
 
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Ludhianvi on his page 6 said:
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Quran says:
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abduttawwab said:
Mirza Kazzab and his followers ..
And Quran answers
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Now Mr Ludhianvi's and his follower's position is clear by Quran. They are not just kaafirs of messiah(as) but also trying to kill his followers.

I hope people will understand and atleast there will not be more abusing against a Nabi of Allah.
 

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---Please refrain form using our Holy Quran verses for any layman (especially mentally incompetent) :evil: and do NOT commit more blasphemy :evil: and spend sometime learning about mirza's follies and lies that have been exposed by none other than himself :ugeek: How could people fall for such idiocy?it simply beats me!!May Allah (SWT) save us from such evils..How dare you use pure wording of Holy Quran for such a person,do NOT stoop yourself to the lowest of low as if not already,and make yourself a source of mockery for all...


--Ignorant masses like you could fall any time to any other being who would take you for a ride :oops: ,i believe we haven't seen the end of it :ugeek:


--You better take pride in someone who would abuse and swear at your parents,coz it seems you are too blind and incapable of understanding the basic criterion of right from wrong..
 

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The Discrepancies of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani


(In light of his own Writings)


Mirza Ghulam Qadiani wrote:

"It is obvious that a truthful, clever and open-hearted man does not make any lapses in his works. Yet, if he is mad, indisposed or hypocrite, who for the sake of flattery does agree with others, his writings becomes contradictory."
(Sat-Bachen, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 10, P. 142; Sat-Bachen, P. 26)

"He is absolutely an indisposed man whose work is full of fallacies and trivial observations."
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 184)

Is it fair for us to judge Mirza Ghulam in the light of his own writings? Please review the following brief samples of his discrepancies and decide for yourself if he was "mad, indisposed, or hypocrite". Which one of his contradictory writings should we accept?

* "I have claimed to be Maseel Maseeh, which stupid people thinks that it is The Promised Messiah ... I have never claimed to be the Messiah ibne Maryam. Anyone who accuses me of it, he is absolutely a liar and fabricator. For the last eight years, I have been announcing that I am only Maseel Maseeh; By that I mean that certain spiritual properties and nature and habits and virtues of Jesus(AS) has been given to me as well by God Almighty."
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 192)

"I swear upon that God, who has sent me and lying on Him is the work of accursed one, He has sent me as The Promised Messiah."
(Majmoo'a-e-Ishtiharaat, Vol. 3, P. 435)

* "Very true, Messiah (Jesus) died going to his native land Galeel."
(Azala-e-Auham, P. 197)

"Messiah, very secretly, ran away toward Kashmir and died there."
(Kashti-e-Nuh, P. 53)

* "Messiah's (Jesus) miracle, the sparrows and their flight, are proved in the Holy Quran, but even then they retained their earthly status."
(Aina-e-Kamalat, P. 68)

"And this should be remembered that those fowls and their flight are not proven in the Holy Quran."
(Azala-e-Auham, P. 28)

* "Thus I respect that man (Jesus) whose name I have. Not only Maseeh, I even respect his four brothers because all five were the sons of same mother."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 18)

"What was the character of Maseeh? A gluttonous, an alcoholic, neither a devout worshipper nor a hermit. Nor an adorer of truth, arrogant, self-conceited, claimant of divinity."
(Roohani Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 387)

* "All the knowledge that a Prophet possesses is taught by the angel Gabriel and the door of Gabriel's descent to bring the revelations of prophethood is closed for ever."
(Izalat-ul-Auham, P. 761)

"And Gabriel came to me and selected me and circled his finger and suggested that God would protect me from all enemies."
(Mawahib-ul-Rahman, P. 66)

* "I fully subscribe to the doctrine that Muhammad is the last of the Prophets and that any claimant to prophethood after him is an impostor and a Kafir."
(Tabligh-i-Risalat, Vol. 2, P. 20; Poster dated Oct. 2, 1891)

"I swear by God in whose hand lies my existence and say that it is He who has reputed me and called me a prophet and the Messiah."
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Appendix, P. 68)

* "The prophet and the messenger of God (Mirza Ghulam) lived in Qadian. That is why it was protected against the plague."
(Dafee-ul-Bla, P. 5)

"Once the plague very vigorously broke out in Qadian."
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 232)

* "I have never abused anyone."
(Moahiburahman, P. 18)

"Those who oppose me are wild boars and their women are worst than bitches."
(Najmul-Huda, P.15)

Are these the writings of a sane person or those of a mad, indisposed, or hypocrite individual?

It was in fact Mirza's habit to test the gullibility of his followers by making an outlandish claim. If too much resistance was offered and many were about to leave his movement, he would retract his claim temporarily and declare that the audience did not understand his true intent! At a later time, after his followers had been better prepared, he would advance his false claim again. Mirza Ghulam's work is in fact convoluted with contradictory statements and retractions for this exact reason.

The Qadiani missionaries often try to put Mirza's contradictory statements to good use and, by mentioning only the quotes that benefits their argument, try to paint an appealing portrait of Mirza.
 

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Mirza Ghulam Qadiani: From Rags to Riches
(In light of Qadiani own Writings)




--Mirza Ghulam Qadiani made a number of outlandish claims, from being the Promised Mahdi and the Promised Messiah to a Reincarnation of hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) and a prophet with new Shariat. In this article we will examine one of the motives for his claims.

--Mirza Ghulam was born to a family of substantial influence but little wealth and depended on the meager income of his father during his youth (Haqiqat-ul-Wahy, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 220). When he was twenty five years old, he committed an act for which he became detached from his family for four years. The son of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani recounts:

"My mother told me that his holiness, the Promised Messiah, one day, during his youth, went to collect the pension of his grandfather (700 rupees - Seerat-ul-Mahdi, Vol. 1, P. 131). Following him was a person by the name of Imamuddin. When he received the pension, Imamuddin mislead him and took him outside Qadian. They roamed about from place to place. When his holiness had squandered all he had, Imamuddin deserted him leaving him alone and left for some other place. However, his holiness, the Promised Messiah, did not return home for shame and for fear of infamy. And since his grandfather's desire was that he be employed somewhere, he went to Sialkot and got himself employed for a miserably low salary (ten rupees a month)."
(Seerat-ul-Mahdi, Vol. 1, P. 43; by Mirza Bashir Ahmad)



--In Sialkot, Mirza Ghulam worked as a British Government court clerk on a meager salary of ten rupees a month, for four years. During this period, he took the entrance exams to law school (Seerat-ul-Mahdi, Vol. 1, P. 137; by Mirza Bashir Ahmad), but he flunked and lost every hope of advancement in that field. Toward the end of this period, in 1868, he held several closed door discussions with Christian missionaries, particularly Mr. Reverend Butler. Within a few days of these meetings, he terminated his employment and returned to Qadian (Seerat Maseeh Moud, P. 15) to live as a guest of his father.

This was the time of great discussion and debates between Muslims and non-Muslims. The Muslim Ummah, tired of the constant abuses launched against them by unbelievers were willing to finance and support anyone who appeared to champion the cause of Islam. Mirza Ghulam commenced reading some of the literature published by Muslim Ulama about Hinduism and issued a few articles and challenges against Hindus in the local papers. Uninformed villagers, who had lived under the oppressive rule of the unbelievers for a few centuries, took special interest in an individual who was not afraid of taking their enemies head on and use their own strong tone and language in answering their attacks.

Shortly thereafter, Mirza Ghulam declared that he was in need of funds to author fifty books in which he would present three hundred arguments refuting every objection Hindus and Christians had raised against Islam. This work, he promised, would make Islam once again victorious! Muslims from the neighboring villages met the challenge and sent in advances and donations to help in this worthy cause; Mirza thus became a wealthy and somewhat recognized character. (Tabligh-e-Risalat, Vol. 1, P. 13, 25)

Mirza Ghulam recounts the difference this claim made in his life:

"No one knew me. Nor were my means of livelihood such that I could live in comfort and ease. All that I owned was a little inheritance from my father. Then Allah placed the world at my disposal, while I did not expect to obtain ten rupees a month. God, however, changed my condition and held my hand. Now, I have more than three hundred thousand rupees."
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahy, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 220-221; Haqiqat-ul-Wahy, P. 211-212)

Mirza Ghulam commenced publishing the volumes of his book, Baraheen-e-Ahmadiyyah, the first appeared in 1880, the second in 1882, and the third in early 1884. These books were no more than a collection of announcements, statements, strongly worded challenges to other religions, and boastful narration of Mirza's own superiority over others - ridden with linguistic errors and devoid of scholarly research, for the most part. Ulama became suspicious of him and were appalled when the fourth volume was released. This book consisted of little more than excessive bragging, arguments for the possibility of revelations after hazrat Muhammad(SAW), confusing statements of alleged divine revelations, and a lengthy homage to the British Imperialism. Mirza had also urged all Muslim scholars to submit a join statement of loyalty to the British government and had stressed the impermissibility of Jihad.

Thus, the promise Mirza had made to the public came to an end. Twenty five years later, after publishing the fifth volume of Baraheen-e-Ahmadiyyah, Mirza Ghulam declared:

"This is the same Baraheen-e-Ahmadiyyah, which had already been published in four volumes. The fifth volume has been now published. It was earlier promised to publish fifty volumes, but they are to be content with only five, instead of the fifty we promised. Since there is only a dot difference between five and fifty, with these five our promise has been fulfilled."
(Preface, Baraheen-e-Ahmadiyya, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 21, P. 9;
Preface, Baraheen-e-Ahmadiyya, Vol. 5, P. 7)

However, these books were a far cry from Mirza's earlier promises. His son admitted:

* "Now that five volumes of Baraheen-e-Ahmadiyya have come out in print, its preface and notes all related to the time of publication and it contains very little of the original work, that is, not more than a few pages. This can be gauged from the fact that out of the 300 arguments which he had promised, the Baraheen-e-Ahmadiyya contains only one argument and that too not in a complete form."
(Seerat-ul-Mahdi, Vol. 1, P. 7; by Mirza Bashir Ahmad)

When some Muslims demanded for the return of their advances, Mirza Ghulam announced:

"This money was given me by God. I shall not return it to anyone - not even a penny, as I am not accountable to anyone. Anyone who asks me to render account should not give me anything in the future."
(Al-Hakm, March 21, 1905)

With his newly found wealth and the backing of the British government and those loyal to its rule, Mirza Ghulam was able to create a new organization of people planted at visible and respectable positions. He proudly wrote:

"The majority of people who have joined my sect are those who are either holding eminent posts with the British Court, or the goodly rich men, their servants and friends or businessmen, lawyers or those educated in the modern way or such famous scholars, servants and noblemen who have either served the British Government in the past or are serving it at present or their relations or friends who accepted the influence of their elders and the weekly holders of the office of the caretakers of some religious orders. In short, this is a party which is the protege of the British Government from whom it has earned good name and who is worthy of the Government's favors. Or it consists of people who are related to me or are among my servants."
(Tabligh-e-Risalat, Vol. 7, P. 18)

At this time, traditionally educated individuals like Hakim Nuruddin and Moulvi Muhammad Ali joined this new organization. By relying on the services of these and other educated individuals, Mirza Ghulam was able to produce works that could impress the uninformed. Mirza gathered around himself a core group of loyal supporters who helped to improve his image, provided him with advise on religious matters, helped publish statements on behalf of the movement, and recruited people to this new organization. The first goal of this new movement was to serve the interest of the British Government and receive favors and compensation in return. In a letter to the British Lieutenant Governor, Mirza Ghulam wrote:

"I have filled shelves with books which I wrote in praise of the British, especially about the abrogation of Jihad in which many Muslims believe. This is a big service to the Government. So I hope for an appropriate and good reward."
(Tabligh-e-Risalat, Vol. 7, P. 19)

Mirza Ghulam remained partially dependent on collections from his followers to fund his own livelihood. He ordained his followers make mandatory monthly contributions and squandered the funds on himself and his family. He went so far as to threaten those who did not make the contribution with excommunication from his influential and powerful organization, which virtually ran all aspects of life in the village of Qadian. He declared:

"It is the duty of all my followers to remit some amount out of their earnings. After this announcement, we shall wait for three months. We shall remove from the list of devotees the name of anyone who does not remit a portion of his earnings during these three months."
(Lauh-ul-Mahdi, P. 1; As reported in Qadiyaniat-An Analytical Survey)

Khwaja Kamaluddin, one of the top recruiters of Qadianism, was suspicious of the luxurious and carefree life that Mirza Ghulam, his family, and close companions were basking in. On one occasion, he demanded action from Moulvi Muhammad Ali and Moulvi Sarwar Shah Qadiani (both leaders of the Qadiani movement) by stating:

"I have a question for which I have no answer. Please provide me with one. Formerly, we used to tell our wives that we should live the lives of the Companions who ate meager and coarse food and wore rough cloth and donated whatever they could save to the cause of Allah. We urged them to do the same. By means of these admonitions, we used to collect money from people and from our wives and send it to Qadian. But, when our wives themselves visited Qadian and came to know of the state of affair first hand, they angrily returned and told us that we were untruthful. They said they had seen the manner in which the wives of the Prophets and Companions were living in Qadian! Not even a fraction of the comfort and luxury enjoyed by their wives was experienced by those outside (Qadian). This is despite the fact that the money is not remitted to them (for their personal use) but for expenditure in the cause of Allah. We shall spend on ourselves whatever we have as it is our money earned through lawful means. Hence, they said, we were liars who had been deceiving them for long and that they would never again be deceived by us. Thus, they refused to give us any money to send to Qadian... There is a favorite reply which you provide people; this can not hold in my case, as I know the truth personally."
(Kashf-ul-Ikhtilaf, P. 13, by Sawar Shah Qadiani)

On another occasion, Khwaja Kamaluddin reprimanded Moulvi Muhammad Ali in the following way:

"What a shame! You are aware how arduously the money of the people is collected; and then this money is not spent for the national purposes for which people donate it, after shaving off their expenditures for their bare necessities. Instead, the money is spent to gratify personal desires; and then, the amount of money is also quite large. It is so large that only if the money specified for public kitchen was managed properly, it alone would suffice to meet the requirements of those projects which have been started but are now in suspense due to the shortage of funds."
(Kashf-ul-Ikhtilaf, P. 15, by Sawar Shah Qadiani)

When this was brought to the attention of Mirza Ghulam, he responded:

"My God will help me, and those will help me who will be inspired by God and by myself. Those who raise objections, they are to me no more than dead insects..."
(Al-Hakm, March 31, 1905)

"I am not a merchant to keep accounts with me nor am I a treasurer of the community to be asked to render account. I am God's vicegerent on earth. It is not proper to ask me where I spent the money. Those are truly the believers who gift me their money and afterwards do not question me. It is all the same whether they understand or not. They understand that an objection of this sort will result in the bankruptcy of their faith."
(Published in Al-Fadl, Sept. 19, 1936)

One of his close associates, put it more diplomatically when he wrote:

"I have reliably come to know that the Promised Messiah (upon him be the salutation and peace of God) has expressed great sorrow that despite his declaration that it is the desire of God that the management of the public kitchen remain in his hands (Mirza was appropriating and directing the funds) and otherwise the public kitchen would come to an end, persons like Khwaja are constantly asking him to entrust the management of the kitchen to them and have invidious doubts about him."
(Kashf-ul-Ikhtilaf, P. 14-15, by Sawar Shah Qadiani)

Mirza Bashiruddin, the son of Mirza Ghulam, in a letter to Moulvi Hakim Nuruddin, stated:

"The Hazrat (Mirza) ... shortly before his (fatal) illness said that the Khwaja (Kamaluddin) and Moulvi Muhammad Ali and others cast aspersions about me that I misappropriate public money. They should not do so, or else it will not have good consequences for them. He said that Khwaja had brought a letter from Moulvi Muhammad Ali the same day in which he had asked about the balance of the thousands of rupees which had been received, particularly since the expenditure on the kitchen had been so meager. When he (Mirza) came home, he flew into a rage and said: 'They say that we eat Haram - What do these people have to do with this money? If I were to sever my association with them, the inflow of all the income would cease'...

On another occasion, when a deputy had gone to collect construction funds, Khwaja had told Moulvi Muhammad Ali: 'The Hazrat (Mirza) himself lives in a life of great comfort and luxury and teaches us to donate by reducing our expenses.' To this, Moulvi Muhammad Ali replied that although this could not be denied, this was an element of human shortcomings in him; and it in not essential for us to follow the element of human shortcoming in the Prophet."
(Haqiqat-ul-Ikhtilaf, P. 50, Mirza Mahmood Ahmad; Letter of Mirza Ghulam to Shaikh Nuruddin)

The son of Mirza Ghulam indirectly admitted to all these accusations in a Friday speech in Qadian:

"Once a man from Lughiana said that we sent donations to Qadian after bearing hardships and misfortunes. These amounts are spent on ornaments and dresses of the wife of Ghulam Ahmad. So what is the use of these donations? When this news reached his holiness, the Promised Messiah, he said it is unlawful for him to send anything to us after what he has said. Then, we shall see what harm it does to us."
(Al-Fadl, August 31, 1938)

Qadiani founders resorted to other creative ways of extracting money from their followers. They purchased a piece of land and sold burial plots at exorbitant prices to their followers. Mirza Ghulam made it incumbent upon his followers to be buried at the cemetery by stating:

"I saw a vision that I have purchased a plot of land, and I was asked to bury the members of my community there: and was asked to name it as 'Heavenly Graveyard'."
(Mukashaf, P. 23)

Indeed, the Qadiani Graveyard became a source of great income to the movement. The Qadiani mouthpiece, Al-Fadl newspaper, expressed its importance in the following way:

"The 'Heavenly Graveyard' is such a central point of this movement and an institution or department of such dimensions that it excels in importance all other departments."
(Al-Fadl, Vol. 24, No. 65, Sept. 15, 1936)


During his life, Mirza Ghulam falsely claimed to have received three hundred thousand revelations, sixty thousand of these dealt with financial issues and money! This large number proves the subject that was foremost on his mind and the mind of his associates. The outlandish claims of Mirza, his mannerism, and the lavish life style he and his close associate conducted are all indicators of the falsehood of their claim. Their actions should resonate the following verses of the Holy Quran in the heart of every believer:

O ye who believe! there are indeed many among the priests and anchorites, who in Falsehood devour the substance of men and hinder (them) from the way of Allah...
(The Holy Quran, Al-Tawba, 9:34)

The Signs of Allah have they sold for a miserable price, and (many) have they hindered from His way: evil indeed are the deeds they have done.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Tawba, 9:9)


--After knowing these facts, would anyone do a great injustice against his soul and accept the claims of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani?
 
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taul said:
---Please refrain form using our Holy Quran verses for any ....

dear brother taul! First of all Quran is not just yours, for me too. I love it. I believe it is a message from Allah for all human beings. and we should recite it regularly.
Secondly, I am believer on Muhammad (saw) and his Mehdi. but you are rejecting his Mehdi. You seems to be blind, not me. Learn from history in Quran, when the nations rejected any prophet of Allah they behaved same like you are doing. Kaafirs always make some stupid reasons to reject Prophets, Like Kuffar-e-Makah were calling Hazoor (saw) a magicians (nauzbillah).

taul, I am sorry to say but your frustration is because you have nothing to offer me. your "so called" Islam is divided in 72 sectors. each of them says others kaafir. again sorry, but your beliefs are so bloody. As I am reading your posts under "Ghazwa-e-hind" thread. May be that hadis exists in any hadis book but I never believe Hazoor(saw) means by this hadis is to kill Hindus, jews or other humans. your Islam always translate Jihaad meanings to fight with sword or weapons. You are asking me to accept that bloody beliefs. Thanks Allah I am blind to that bulshit.
There are kinds of Jihad, One Jihad is against our own sins, To spread message of Islam with peace is also Jihad. Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Qadiani (Aleh Salam) taught us the exact Islam, Brought by our beloved Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (saw). Mirza sahib(as) appointed by Allah for same purpose. And I believe that hadis is for the Army of mehdi (Messiah as). Mirza sahib(as) appointed in hind and his army will get victory not by sword jihad but by jihad-eakbar and by jihad-e-kalam and by jihad of prayers. Mehdi (as) came to stop stupid wars in the name of Jihaad. Hazoor (saw) only involved in wars for their self defense not to spread message of Islam by sword. If we believe our idealogy is strong we don't need to impose it on others. people will accept it (Islam) by our character. Some people in that thread were calling a person hindu, if that person is saying somthing bad for Islam or for our prophet (saw) just pray to Allah to show him a right path. Your way of answer will represent your personality and truthfullness of your beliefs.

Again taul, can you start another thread for Arguments on Mirza sahib's
(as) writings or prophecies
. I will try to answer each of them as I believe from my Heart that Mirza sahib (as) is true mehdi/prophet of Allah. and I must believe a prophet can not lie. I tried to answer one or two arguments but this way we will go to another long discussion. I feel myself rensponsible to answer your reasonable questions as It is my duty to spread a true message to my all brothers. But this thread should be around "Ludhianvis' Lecture".
thanks.
 

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--In Islam there are sects but you are NOT even muslims so to consider yourself as muslims is the biggest joke of century and to unveil the truth is every Muslims responsibility.


--Your leader's biodata is open for all to read and verfiy and see the truth with their own eyes :ugeek: You Qadiyanis call such a person to be messiah whose own words contradict each other,whose tantrums and obscene language against the mightiest messenger knew no boundary and who swore repeatedly at Mother of Prophet Jesus (Peace be upon him)..you people simply do NOT want to know the truth that's what i figured,committing an act of sin unknowingly is one thing but to purposely keep perpetrating an act of blasphemy is unforgivable and pure devilish :evil:


--Your denial of description of Messiah needs no other proof since you are adamant NOT to read and go over your mirza's own wordings which is full of absurd statements and delusions!!We Muslims needn't look beyond our Holy Quran and Ahadith and who ever claim to say even a single word against these two sources is in itself exposing him self to be a fake and a deceiver.your illusion of Jihad and it's explanation is yet another proof contradicting both..


--Reincarnation is a tenet of hinduism perhaps your mirza got too influenced by such rituals he saw around and tried to fabricate stuff and fit in Islam :shock: This whole belief of reincarnation does NOT exist in Islam at all, but surely could only exist in Qadiyanism or Mirzaism :roll:


--Are you really too incapacitated to see all this??Do you even how to go about understanding Islam?You have got to be unbelievably ignorant to deny all this :)
 
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taul said:
layman (especially mentally incompetent)
Astaghfirullah!
So you are not learning........ Imagine! just imagine if you were abusing a true prophet......?
I am saying again my brother you don't know what you are doing. I am feeling sympathy for you, please don't put yourself in trouble. Please don't represent abujahal. Or you will be lost in the history of rejectors of promissed messiah (aleh salam) like kuffar-e-makah or other nations of prophets punished by Allah.
If you will use those type of words again. I will not be bound to answer your comments.
 
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My dear taul, I am not here to proove prophecy of Mirza Sahib(as). I don't care what you call him (nauzobillah). If you think he was not true I will not ask to provide a list of his prophecies. I am trying to say in very very very very simple words I just want to discuss Ludhianvi's "Wajibul Qatal" fatwa for Ahmadis. but............ you just let anybody else to discuss that matter first. Post your arguments on any other forum please please please understand what I want to say.................. :oops: I will give you all of your answers.
 

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---I Strongly beleive your are very ill-informed and know very little about your own mirza and do NOT much knowledge about your qadiyanism or Mirzaism and want to hide under this false belief,falling for a layman who contradicts the very basics of Islam by denying the Holy Quran and Ahadith and yet you fail to grasp the reality of this matter :oops: why would you wanna blend things like taking reincarnation from hinduism then leaving out on important issues in Islam??it doesn't work that way no cocktail or fabrications in Islam


--Atleast Jews,chirstians and all others are at ease by having their own identity whereas you seem to have identity crisis that would never ever be resolved. :P


--All fatwas stem from the fact of "Blasphemy" and truly so Capital Punishment holds for all the perpetrators..By denying the teachings of Holy Quran and Ahadith mirza crossed the limits and ya'll are doomed with him :ugeek:
 
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In Islam there are sects but you are NOT even muslims

I don't need your or your molvi's certificate to be called a Muslim. I know I am a Muslim (Alhamdolillah) much better than your Taliban type Islam (killing others in the name of relegion is your hobby/ your Islam). Thank you for not calling me that type of bloody (let me say) muslim. From you I would like to be called non-muslim. No more sects in Islam only one Islam exists. Islam of Ahmadis. Hazrat Mohammad(sw) said, all sects will go to hell but only one will go to Paradise and you are saying reverse.
 
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Taul,

I answered one of your argument
*"The Quran mentions the names of three cities with great respect: Mecca, Medina, and Qadian."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 140, footnote; Footnote of Izala-ul-Autham, P. 34/77)

Has anyone seen a mention of the city of Qadian in the Holy Quran?

check last pages.

I believe your are cutting and pasting that type of sentences without its context.
"Can you just clearify how it was a lie" then we will go on next topic........ now don't go away. I am waiting
 

one24

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abrehman janab mera aik simple question ha.jub ap log namiz pharty ho tu apny (ankles)thakny nangy rukhty ho ya cover ..bcz jo mujy thora bhut pata ha..ka ya sunat-e-rasool ha.or jitany be firaqy han who asa he kerty han.if i am wrong plz correct me.
 

AbbaG

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Mirza Jo Hota Khuda Ka Nabi
Na Toilet Main Gir Kar Marta Khabi


Answer that you so called Musalman - abrehman
 

taul

Siasat.pk - Blogger
@ ab



---Quite strange you still have the cheek to call yourself a muslim :shock: ..ya'll need some serious help!!even if you got it you'd still run away from it.

---Like i earlier said all the authentic points raised will be put off by irrational and blind people like you by shrugging it off as mere dreams :lol: ..Theology doesn't work that way, whatever mirza did was plain and simple contrary to the core beliefs of Islam and is Evident..I'm completely convinced as well as the readers here that you are hesitant and unwilling to even scratch the surface of your own qadiyanism or mirzaism and are simply tagging along like a buffoon just to get yourself counted in the bunch of liars and disbelievers :P


---You certainly had seen that coming the last point mentioned about his death :lol: but i wanted to have you get the feeling of mirza's activities while he was alive first coz amateurs like you have NOT even read mirz'a own literature. :lol:
 

niazi

MPA (400+ posts)
JazakAllah Taul brother,for sending knowledgable and informative post for us,
and for qadianies ,there is no doubt that they live in bewakoofon ki jannat and will go to hell inshallah,I cant believe that how come a person who has brain will do such a injustic to him self,shame on you when you say jihad is haram,
Prophet Mohammad(pbuh)started jihad with his companions ,you are directly accusing prophet Mohammad(pbuh)of doing naozbillah some thing that your napak false liar mirza prohibited,so for you Mirrza is important then prophet Mohammad(peace and blessing be upon him).May Allah show you right path.
 
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brother one24! mera zaaty khiaal hay kay is say faraq nahee perhta is say ziada important hay kay aap kee namaz main concentration ho agar aap feel ker rahay hain kay ankles say neechay clothings aanay say mumkin hay jab aap sajday yaah rakooh main jaain to paoon main kaprha aanay say gir jaanay kaa ehtamaal ho to phir zaroor ooper ker lain. Hazoor (salaAllah eleh wasalam) kay zamanay main arab kay log open khulah keprha istimaal kertay thay is liay agar waisa kaprha ya paunjab kay log "Tehmat" pehantay hain us main mera khiaal hay better hay kay ooper ker lia jaay. werna yeh koi important nahee hay jaisay mazree. Mera bhee yehee khiaal hay kay dono tareeqay theek hain. Agar aap ko is kay mutalaiq koi khaas Hazoor(saw) kaa hukam(hadees) pata ho to mujhay bata dain (JazakAllah). main bhee koi Scholor nahee hoon.
 

taul

Siasat.pk - Blogger
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--What kind of deviant psyche you Qadiyanis possess? :shock: So dissociated from reality..Listen i'll make it easier for you if you were to prepare for any exam let's say physics you need to get in touch with books regarding this particular subject NOT some fairytales :oops: ..


--Similarly we have in Islam,The Holy Quran and Ahadeeth to be followed in order to be a Muslim and be prepared for an exam that is to commence once we all depart this mortal world.Now you may get hold of both of em anywhere in the world and get acquainted with the True and Real Islam :ugeek:


--Not some one who preaches and fabricates "Reincarnation" to be a part of Islam :shock:.If some one told you,an apple to be an orange and kept insisting to call it as such and you happened to be in the right frame of mind with all senses working fine, you'd easily and effortlessly catch his bluff and weed out apple from oranges,that's precisely we Muslims have been doing catching the black sheep who have gone astray and kept calling themselves Muslims when infact they're not even anywhere remotely close!! :ugeek:
 
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taul said:
---Quite strange you still have the cheek to call yourself a muslim

Taul agian! AlhamdoliAllah I am a Muslim. My sympathy is with you, because you couldn't not stop me!! afsos.
My suggession: listen carefully! pick up a stone and crush your head with it, and make sure stone is bigger than your head. :) Or I am saying again Alhamdolillah I am a true Muslim
 
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