نوکیا فون کے زوال کے بعد

Sarfraz1122

MPA (400+ posts)
فِن لینڈ کا چھوٹا سا شہر نوکیا انتہائی غیر دلچسپ منظر پیش کر رہا ہے۔ موسم سرما کی برف میں چند بلاکز پر محیط فلیٹوں کا سلسلہ ہے اور مرکزی سڑک کے ساتھ ہی دکانوں کی ایک چھوٹی سی پٹی ہے۔ یہاں ہوٹل اور سستے دام والا سپر سٹور بھی ہے۔


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اسے دیکھ کے ایسا محسوس نہیں ہوتا کہ 90 کے عشرے میں اس شہر نے موبائل فون کی صنعت میں انقلاب لانے والی کمپنی کو اپنا نام دیا تھا اور فن لینڈ کی معیشیت کو دنیا میں سب سے زیادہ خوش حال بنانے میں مدد دی تھی۔اپنے عروج کے وقت سنہ 2000 کے عشرے میں دنیا کے 40 فیصد موبائیل فون نوکیا نے مہیا کیے تھے اور فن لینڈ کو عالمی سطح پر تسلیم شدہ صارفین کی پہلی برانڈ دی تھی۔اندرون ملک اس کے ثمرات اور بھی زیادہ اچھے تھے۔ ریسرچ انسٹی ٹیوٹ آف فِنش اکانومی کے مطابق سنہ 1998 سے سنہ 2007 کے دوران فن لینڈ کی شرح نمو میں نوکیا کا حصہ ایک چوتھائی تھا۔ اس دورانیے کو فن لینڈ کے وزیر خزانہ ’معیشیت کا معجزہ‘ کہتے ہیں۔تاہم جس تیزی سے یہ ابھرا تھا، اسی تیزی سے موبائیل فون کے بازار میں نوکیا کی برتری نیچے بھی آگئی تھی۔ اس سے نہ صرف فن لینڈ کی معیشیتکو دھچکا لگا بلکہ ملک کی تاریخ کی طویل ترین کساد بازاری میں بھی اس نے اہم کردار ادا کیا۔



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نوکیا سے تقریباً 15 منٹ کے فاصلے پر ہی ٹیمپیئر ہے جہاں کمپنی کے تحقیق و ترقی کی سب سے بڑے شعبے قائم ہیں۔ کمپنی کے اچھے دنوں میں یہاں چار ہزار انتہائی ہنرمند افراد کام کرتے تھے۔ٹیمپیئر شہر کے معاشی اور شہری ترقی کے ڈائریکٹر کاری کنکالا کہتے ہیں ’یہ یہاں کی ہر شے کی ریڑھ کی ہڈی تھا۔ یونیورسٹیاں نوکیا کے ساتھ مل کے کام کرنے پہ انحصار کرتی تھیں، ذیلی ٹھیکیداروں کا انحصار بھی نوکیا پر ہی تھا، بچے بھی نوکریوں کے لیے نوکیا کی جانب دیکھتے تھے۔‘’اور اب ہمیں 14 سے 15 فیصد بیروزگاری کی شرح کے ساتھ مشکل ترین صورت حال کا سامنا ہے۔‘ٹیمپیئر میں نوکیا کے آر ایند ڈی منصوبے کے سابق سینیئر مینیجر مِکا گرنڈسٹورم کہتے ہیں ’میرے خیال میں ہماری سب سے بڑی کامیابی موٹورولا سے بھی چھوٹی جسامت کے موبائیل فون کی تیاری تھی۔ یہ سنہ 1997-1998 کی بات ہے۔ یہ ایک طرح سے انجینیئرنگ خواب تھا۔‘تاہم موبائیل فون کی صنعت میں سمارٹ فون متعارف ہونے کے بعدصورت حال بالکل تبدیل ہوگئی۔ خاص طور پر سنہ 2007 میں ٹیکنالوجی کی کمپنیایپل کی جانب سے آئی فون متعا رف کروانے کے بعد۔


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نوکیا نے سمارٹ فون کے بازار میں اپنی بقا کی لڑائی جاری رکھی، تاہم سنہ 2014 میں نوکیا کا موبائیل فون کا کاروبار مائیکروسوفٹ نے خرید لیا تھا اور
سمارٹ فون
ڈیوائس پر سے نوکیا کا نام یکسر مٹا دیا گیا تھا۔
فِن لینڈ کی ٹیکنالوجی کی صنعت کا مستقبل جو بھی ہو کچھ لوگوں کے خیال میں نوکیا جیسی بڑی اور متاثرکن کمپنی پھر سے ابھر سکتی ہے۔
نوکیا کے تحقیق اور ترقی کے شعبے کے ایک اور سابق مینیجر سیپّو ہاتایا کہتے ہیں ’جب نوکیا اس کاروبار کا اہم کھلاڑی تھا فِن لینڈ میں بہت سی اچھی چیزیں ہوئی تھیں۔ اب صورت حال تبدیل ہورہی ہے۔ نئی ایجادات بڑی کمپنیوں کے ذریعے نہیں ہورہی ہیں بلکہ چھوٹی اور نئی کمپنیوں کے ذریعے ہورہی ہیں۔‘

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Quora1

Banned
.. There would be many educated reason for epic fall of Nokia , But the biggest non educated reason to reckon are Finish/Finland people r very racist and they have had not allowed IT students from Subcontinent to get jobs in Nokia.. Finish people decide jobs the Nokia on basis of ethnicity, If one is Finish he will be Boss and Research and if applicant is from Subcontinent e.g India, Pak , Srilanka he/she should do cleaning jobs in Finland... Y USA is best in Research and Mobiles bcz they gave all the best IT jobs to people from subcontinent, all the best Facebook ,appple mobile jobs r decide on merit , but guys from USA on this forum can give there views if USA decide jobs on merit or ethinicity??
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Seriously? What do you know about Finnish people? Do you know how many Indians and Pakistanis used to work for the Nokia and now working for other Finnish companies? If you tried and didn't get job it was because you were not good enough for it. With this attitude you won't get any job in US or anywhere else

United States of America 318.9 million(2014)





  1. Europe has Population 742.5 million
  2. Hello foreigner, I did not talked about ur and my personal life, I have commented on Nokia a big company.
but Why does the United States have almost all of the best universities in the world?


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Foreigner

Senator (1k+ posts)
.. There would be many educated reason for epic fall of Nokia , But the biggest non educated reason to reckon are Finish/Finland people r very racist and they have had not allowed IT students from Subcontinent to get jobs in Nokia.. Finish people decide jobs the Nokia on basis of ethnicity, If one is Finish he will be Boss and Research and if applicant is from Subcontinent e.g India, Pak , Srilanka he/she should do cleaning jobs in Finland... Y USA is best in Research and Mobiles bcz they gave all the best IT jobs to people from subcontinent, all the best Facebook ,appple mobile jobs r decide on merit , but guys from USA on this forum can give there views if USA decide jobs on merit or ethinicity??
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Seriously? What do you know about Finnish people? Do you know how many Indians and Pakistanis used to work for the Nokia and now working for other Finnish companies? If you tried and didn't get job it was because you were not good enough for it. With this attitude you won't get any job in US or anywhere else.
 

alicekim

Senator (1k+ posts)
Open immigration policies of United States, United Kingdom, Canada and Australia are the only reason of their survival and sustenance in the modern world !



Soviet Union got destroyed, then Germany got destroyed, then Japan got destroyed, then entire Europe got destroyed, then Middle-East got destroyed by Economic pressures and lack of Technology and Investments. All these countries have one thing in common. They don't allow immigration ! Next in this list will be China and South Korea if they didn't open up their countries.


Look into the Cricket Teams ..... Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand have mostly non-white (first-generation immigrants). And that's the only reason they can still play this game and participate in International Tournaments.


All countries should welcome immigrants, make proper policies, and adjusts their cultures and societies to welcome these immigrants .... instead of closing their doors, and banning scarfs, halal meat etc. (like they do in Denmark / France). Remember, immigrants are not just bhokay-nangay , they usually bring great wealth of education, professional experiences with them, and most of the times, they bring their life savings and their entire capital to invest in the host country !
 
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alicekim

Senator (1k+ posts)
Seriously? What do you know about Finnish people? Do you know how many Indians and Pakistanis used to work for the Nokia and now working for other Finnish companies? If you tried and didn't get job it was because you were not good enough for it. With this attitude you won't get any job in US or anywhere else.


Can you please tell us all if Finland gives Citizenship to those Indians and Pakistani employees of Nokia ? Or the country only make them work on a visa and then ask them to leave , even if they have been working for 10 or 15 years ?
 

Foreigner

Senator (1k+ posts)
Can you please tell us all if Finland gives Citizenship to those Indians and Pakistani employees of Nokia ? Or the country only make them work on a visa and then ask them to leave , even if they have been working for 10 or 15 years ?

Sure it does, if you legally stay (and work) for 5 years and you fulfill other requirements (language and good record).
 

alicekim

Senator (1k+ posts)
Seriously? What do you know about Finnish people? Do you know how many Indians and Pakistanis used to work for the Nokia and now working for other Finnish companies? If you tried and didn't get job it was because you were not good enough for it. With this attitude you won't get any job in US or anywhere else.


What he is saying is partially true ... all the European companies (Alcatel, Nokia, Orascom etc.) have whites as their country managers and country directors for Pakistan, Dubai, Indian markets etc. I know that American companies operate differently. Google Pakistan head is Pakistani Guy, Cisco Pakistani head is Pakistani Guy, Uber Pakistani head is Pakistani Lady ... etc. Why is that I have always noticed that these European companies have White Management for our Countries , and still they don't that well in their businesses.
 

Foreigner

Senator (1k+ posts)



What he is saying is partially true ... all the European companies (Alcatel, Nokia, Orascom etc.) have whites as their country managers and country directors for Pakistan, Dubai, Indian markets etc. I know that American companies operate differently. Google Pakistan head is Pakistani Guy, Cisco Pakistani head is Pakistani Guy, Uber Pakistani head is Pakistani Lady ... etc. Why is that I have always noticed that these European companies have White Management for our Countries , and still they don't that well in their businesses.

Have you thought that it could be because US is a huge country with a large number of immigrants so they would easily find a Pakistani guy if they need it for some specific role. In Finland there are about 400 Pakistani living in total (and that includes family members), so you can't really compare it with US or UK. If it would be any racist country, it wouldn't be offering completely free education to the people of all over the world.
 

Sarfraz1122

MPA (400+ posts)
got destroyed,

i think ur choice of wording is wrong "destroy" is harsh word ..ok these countries may have some crises but they are still very best..
and i agree with ur point that these countries should open the door to all specially sub continent people..
but sub continent people should also understand ,create harmony and respect west values , culture and traditions ...
 

Iconoclast

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Nokia had a deal with Microsoft under which they won't be able to produce phones till 2017. That's just a bunch of horsecrap to say Nokia recruits based on ethnicity. In my opinion the biggest reason in their downfall was their rigidity towards innovation in the truest of senses and sticking to a tired OS. However they will be outing their first devices next year or in the last couple of quarters of this year. I have never been a fan of Nokia, always used a Sony from t600 to z5.
 

Username

Senator (1k+ posts)
Open immigration policies of United States, United Kingdom, Canada and Australia are the only reason of their survival and sustenance in the modern world !



Soviet Union got destroyed, then Germany got destroyed, then Japan got destroyed, then entire Europe got destroyed, then Middle-East got destroyed by Economic pressures and lack of Technology and Investments. All these countries have one thing in common. They don't allow immigration ! Next in this list will be China and South Korea if they didn't open up their countries.


Look into the Cricket Teams ..... Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand have mostly non-white (first-generation immigrants). And that's the only reason they can still play this game and participate in International Tournaments.


All countries should welcome immigrants, make proper policies, and adjusts their cultures and societies to welcome these immigrants .... instead of closing their doors, and banning scarfs, halal meat etc. (like they do in Denmark / France). Remember, immigrants are not just bhokay-nangay , they usually bring great wealth of education, professional experiences with them, and most of the times, they bring their life savings and their entire capital to invest in the host country !

Germany got destroyed? Seriously? Lol

Germany helped all of the World including the US to survive the last economic recession which had almost killed American economy. While all other countries were crying for help, struggling for stability, Germany came out as a winner.

Germany has kept Greece from bankruptcy. Germany has helped all of East Europe. Germany has the strongest economy on Planet Earth. The Strongest Economy!

Japan's problem lies in its aging population. Japan are probably The Most Aged Nation on Earth. They're struggling. Instead of opening their borders, they decided to spread out through outsourcing. They're also shifting the nature of Economy. From manufacturing to services.

UK has a strong economy and dint have to struggle much because it's World's biggest Services-Based economy.

I don't think immigration is a determining factor in a country's economy. It does help but this help comes at certain costs, which many Nations are not willing to pay. Immigration is the biggest reason of Black Economy in the developed world.
 
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Username

Senator (1k+ posts)
Open immigration policies of United States, United Kingdom, Canada and Australia are the only reason of their survival and sustenance in the modern world !



Soviet Union got destroyed, then Germany got destroyed, then Japan got destroyed, then entire Europe got destroyed, then Middle-East got destroyed by Economic pressures and lack of Technology and Investments. All these countries have one thing in common. They don't allow immigration ! Next in this list will be China and South Korea if they didn't open up their countries.


Look into the Cricket Teams ..... Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand have mostly non-white (first-generation immigrants). And that's the only reason they can still play this game and participate in International Tournaments.


All countries should welcome immigrants, make proper policies, and adjusts their cultures and societies to welcome these immigrants .... instead of closing their doors, and banning scarfs, halal meat etc. (like they do in Denmark / France). Remember, immigrants are not just bhokay-nangay , they usually bring great wealth of education, professional experiences with them, and most of the times, they bring their life savings and their entire capital to invest in the host country !

And by the way there's no ban on Halal products in Denmark. Don't listen to the Media. I visit Denmark almost once every month. Shelves are packed with Halal meat. Even mainstream Grocers sell Halal meat like Fakta, Netto, Brugsen, Ftex, and Lidl.
 

geekali

New Member
Nokia CEO is Indian. There are a lot of people in Higher management from India also from sub-continent. Also Nokia made bad decisions in part about phone but how Nokia is coming back in network technology is amazing.
Source: I work at Nokia.
 

sangeen

Minister (2k+ posts)
Nokia didn't catch the new techs train properly.... When the world was digging in to Android, Nokia kept its boring Java based OS..... From Hardware point of view Nokia was on the top, its phones were durable and long standing..... But software was rubbish.
 

alicekim

Senator (1k+ posts)
Germany got destroyed? Seriously? Lol

Germany helped all of the World including the US to survive the last economic recession which had almost killed American economy. While all other countries were crying for help, struggling for stability, Germany came out as a winner.

Germany has kept Greece from bankruptcy. Germany has helped all of East Europe. Germany has the strongest economy on Planet Earth. The Strongest Economy!

Japan's problem lies in its aging population. Japan are probably The Most Aged Nation on Earth. They're struggling. Instead of opening their borders, they decided to spread out through outsourcing. They're also shifting the nature of Economy. From manufacturing to services.

UK has a strong economy and dint have to struggle much because it's World's biggest Services-Based economy.

I don't think immigration is a determining factor in a country's economy. It does help but this help comes at certain costs, which many Nations are not willing to pay. Immigration is the biggest reason of Black Economy in the developed world.


Bhai, aaj kay Germany ki baat nahi ho rahi ...

I thought, writing "Soviet Union" will explain itself kay what time and era I was talking about ....

This is in WW I and II when Soviet and Germany were Unipolar societies and they got destroyed , and then same happened to Japan.

U.S. survived in that era because of its open immigration ! Remember, Einstein was an immigrant who brought the Nuclear technology.

The one-child issue of China and the aging population issue of Japan is purely an economic issue !
 

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