؟؟؟ freedom of speech ???

[aamir_uetn]

ایک راز نام کی بدروح ہے ۔ جس کو حسد نفرت کے دورے پڑتے ہیں۔
اس بدروح کے پاس کچھ اختیارات ہیں ۔ جس کا کل اس نے ناجائیز استعمال کرنے کی کوشش کی۔ لیکن لگتا ہے دوسرے ایڈمن نے اسے ناکام بنا دیا۔

raaz k paas ikhtyaaraat hain ??? u mean raaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz mooddddddd haaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

 

[پرفیکٹ سٹرینجر]

جتنی آزادی اظہار رائے پاکستان میں ہے دنیا میں کہیں بھی نہیں. نو دو گیارہ کو انسائیڈ جاب سمجھنے والوں کو سی آئی اے اور اس کے سربراہ کا اتنا میڈیا ٹرائل کرنے کی آزادی نہیں ہے جتنی آزادی پاکستانیوں اور پاکستانی میڈیا کو آئی ایس آئی اور اس کے سربراہ کا میڈیا ٹرائل کرنے حاصل ہے​

اس آزادی کے بعد جو حالت اس آزادی کے استعمال کرنے والے کی ہوتی ہے وہ بھی ناقابل بیان ہے ۔

 

[پرفیکٹ سٹرینجر]

I agree that people shouldn't abuse anyone because of differences of opinion no matter how abhorrent it may seem if it is withing the rules and code of conduct of the forum.

I don't agree with about 95% of the things you say and don't approve of your condescending, arrogant and acerbic tone 100% of the time but I still second your opinion here that you should have complete freedom to express yourself with the allowed limits of this forum.

It is a fact that PTI supporters here outnumber supporters of other parties by about 20:1. Though there are some members who support PMLn and criticize PTI but no one comes close to receiving the love that they reserve for you :-) Sometime sit down and think about it why is it so (not that I am justifying their behavior either and they should be banned for breaking the rules of the forum just as I or you should be banned for breaking them).

I too criticize IK and PTI from time to time but what I have seen is that people dislike the post and move on. Some may even provide their counter arguments but hardly anyone resorts to cursing me out. Even though I don't see a problem with criticizing public figures but if you stick to criticizing the policies and stances then you will be more effective in putting your message across.

آپ سے گزراش ہے کہ یہاں ایک دو تھریڈ ان کے خلاف لگا کر دیکھیں۔ اس کے بعد آپ میرے ساتھ سو فیصد اتفاق کریں گے

 

[handsome.ebi]

میرے بھائی ایک ادارہ جب اپنے اختیارات سے تجاوز کرے تو پھر وہاں چند جرنیل بری الزمہ نہی ہیں۔ لاکھوں کی فوج ان کے پیچھے ہے ۔ یس سر۔ یس سر۔ چند جرنیل جب ملک کا آئین توڑیں تو پھر اس ملک کے آئین کی حلف داری کا پاس ہے کہ باقی فوجی ان سے بغاوت کریں۔ اپنے لئے نہی اس ملک کے لئے۔

yar asa mumkin nai ha gernel jo kahain sipahi use karne k paband hote han, or sari dunya me asa hi hota ha, ab ap kuch generels kinwajah se poori fouj ko to ghalat na kaho

 

[Joker]

raaz k paas ikhtyaaraat hain ??? u mean raaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz mooddddddd haaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

چپ کرو ، یہ راز کی بات ہے ... ویسے مجھے کبوتری پر پہلے ہی شک تھا

 

[aamir_uetn]

چپ کرو ، یہ راز کی بات ہے ... ویسے مجھے کبوتری پر پہلے ہی شک تھا

خبردار محترم راز بھائی جان کو کبوتری کہا تو

:lol:

 

[sadani]

اگر آپ کی یہ منتق ہے تو پھر ایک اخلاقی جرت کرو۔ اس ملک پر فوج نے سب سے زیادہ حکومت کی ہے ۔ آپ فوج سے نفرت کرو۔ اور جو فوج کو سپورٹ کرتا ہے اس سے بھی ۔ کیوں کہ جو نقصان اس فوجستان نے اس ملک کو پہنچایا ہے وہ کسی سیاستدان کے بس کی بات نہی تھی۔ اور لوٹ مار کی داستانیں ناقابل بیان ہیں۔

My Point : Pakistani People does not have same level of Hatred for Army Rule Era as what they have for Political Parties Era.


Now, Lets Analyze Army Era one by one :

1 - Ayub Khan Era ( 1960s ) :

Well I am a karachiite and usually we do not have good feelings for Ayub Khan for shifting capital from KHI to ISB and doing rigging in 1962 elections against Mother of Nation Ms. Fatimah Jinnah ,

But having said that,

Ayub Khan's Era was best in terms of initial industrialization , Pakistan was emerging as an Asian Tiger and was far ahead than Korea, Singapore, Hongkong etc , Pakistani Institutions were stable e.g; PIA, Railway, Wapda , Various big dam were built , National Television was started which is a form of modern technology as per 1960s ... There are pros and cons of that era , cons may include separatist feeling among bangalis, BUT overall West Pakistani Nation was happy with his era till 1967.

Whole Nation fought war of 1965 under his leadership and still people feel proud of his historic speech which he delivered on Radio and TV.

So my point is Ayub Khan's era was not that bad as few of us think...... His era was definitely better than anyother democratic era, Before him Pakistan's democratic system was a mockery, Every year there used to be a new prime minister ( during 1950s ) So Ayub brought political stability to pakistan in early 1960s.

Ref : http://iba.edu.pk/News/speechesarticles_drishrat/Economic_policies_under_Shaoib.pdf

2 - Zia-Ul-Haq Era

Unfortunately Pakistan was threatended by Russian Red Revolution on its Western Border so Zia had to make a decision of safe guarding pakistan against Soviet Union.
He took some very strict decision , specially related to religious fundamentalism but those all were to save Pakistan from Soviet Red Revolution.

Those who have a concern that Zia could have choosed another strategy forget that Soviet Union was not interested in Afghanistan but their ultimate motive was to have a presence on warm waters of Indian Ocean. Basically Pakistan was their final target in region.

As far as Economic Policies are concerned, Zia Era was also not bad if you compare it to Political Regimes.

See below figures , both Ayub(60s) and Zia(80s) Era stands out from Political Era as far as Economic Conditions are concerned.

3 - Musharraf's Era :

Well , We all may disagree to his policy towards WOT but to be honest his tenure from 2000-2005 was excellent from economic point of view. Businessmen were really happy and development work was carried out all across pakistan. Ask any Islamabad guy about Kamran Lashari, Ask any Karachiite about Mustafa Kamal.
Also no one can say anything about corruption in Musharraf Era.

Conclusion:

Army Rule has been cited as less corrupt, economically more prosperous as compare to Political rule.
Pakistani People does not have same level of hatred towards Army Rule as what they have for Democratic Rule.

 

[Joker]

خبردار محترم راز بھائی جان کو کبوتری کہا تو

:lol:

How do you know that he/she is a bhai .More than 26000 posts suggests extra chromosome feature XXY ;)

 

[پرفیکٹ سٹرینجر]

raaz k paas ikhtyaaraat hain ??? u mean raaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz mooddddddd haaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

اختیارات اتنے ہیں۔ بندہ استعمال کرے تو شرمندہ ہوجائے ۔ جیسے ایک دن کا بادشاہ ہونا۔

 

[GujjarPakistani]

Perfect Stranger salute you...aap ne bilkul sachi tasweer pesh ki hai..aap ka thread eye opener hai, mera khial hai is issue pe is se ziada kehne ki zarurat nahin rahi

 

[Sohraab]

raaz k paas ikhtyaaraat hain ??? u mean raaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz mooddddddd haaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

KIAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Raaaz Moderator hai

aakhar yeh raaz khul hi giya

(serious)

afsoos is ki badshahi main hum kitni baar QAID huay aur yeh chup chaap baitha raha

aaj JOKER ne yeh raaz khol diya

 

[macbeth]

میں بین کرنے کی بھینگی پالیسی کے خلاف اس پٹیشن میں پرفیکٹ سٹرینجر کے ساتھ ھوں۔۔۔سیاسی اور مذھبی اختلاف کی حد بندی کا یکساں پیمانہ ھونا چاھیئے۔۔ یہ مسکین تو پہلے ھی وقت کے اجنبی لمحوں سے اپنی شناخت کھوجنے کیلئے ملامتی چولا پہنے ھوئے ھے۔۔ اور گالیوں اور طعن و ملامت سے نیکیاں کمانے کا متلاشی ھے۔۔۔اسے آزاد چھوڑ دو۔۔۔ شائد وقت کبھی اسے حقیقت سے آشکار کر دے کہ جس رائیونڈی سلیب کے تحفظ کی خاطر کنکریاں کھاتا رھا وہ ایسا شیطانی استعارہ ھے جسے پتھر مارنا اہل ایمان پر فرض ھے۔۔کیونکہ اصل محاذ یہی ھے کہ۔۔

کرپٹ اور حرامخور حکمرانوں کے سامنے کلمہ حق کہنا جہاد ھے۔۔

 

[Whaat]

Mai to ajj tak yeh hi samjhta tha ke app ki post hi ais liye hoti hai ke app ka dill kar raha hota hai Kuch gaalian khane ka....too phir ab rona kiss baat ka hai?...Likhne ke andaz se malom ho jata hai ke maqsad tanqeed hai ya loogon ko uksana hai..... Lahaza yeh bachoon ki tarhan aaa kar rona dhona band karoo........

 

[Sohraab]

بین کرنے کی بھینگی پالیسی کے خلاف میں آپ کے ساتھ ھوں۔۔۔سیاسی اور مذھبی اختلاف کی حد بندی کا یکساں پیمانہ ھونا چاھیئے۔۔ یہ مسکین تو پہلے ھی وقت کے اجنبی لمحوں سے اپنی شناخت کھوجنے کیلئے ملامتی چولا پہنے ھوئے ھے۔۔ اور گالیوں اور طعن و ملامت سے نیکیاں کمانے کا متلاشی ھے۔۔۔اسے آزاد چھوڑ دو۔۔۔ شائد وقت کبھی اسے حقیقت سے آشکار کر دے کہ جس رائیونڈی سلیب کے تحفظ کی خاطر کنکریاں کھاتا رھا وہ ایسا شیطانی استعارہ ھے جسے پتھر مارنا اہل ایمان پر فرض ھے۔۔کیونکہ اصل محاذ یہی ھے کہ۔۔

کرپٹ اور حرامخور حکمرانوں کے سامنے کلمہ حق کہنا جہاد ھے۔۔

:lol:

oyee tu kitthoon da maskeen ae ??

 

[sir jee]

hahahaha,,,,,''mission impossible'',,,''join date Apr 2014''.

 

[GujjarPakistani]

aap ki raaye se mutfiq hoon magar hum kis tarah politicians ko zemedar qarar dain, Bhutto aur Zaradari ke siwa kis ne apni term poori ki ??

My Point : Pakistani People does not have same level of Hatred for Army Rule Era as what they have for Political Parties Era.


Now, Lets Analyze Army Era one by one :

1 - Ayub Khan Era ( 1960s ) :

Well I am a karachiite and usually we do not have good feelings for Ayub Khan for shifting capital from KHI to ISB and doing rigging in 1962 elections against Mother of Nation Ms. Fatimah Jinnah ,

But having said that,

Ayub Khan's Era was best in terms of initial industrialization , Pakistan was emerging as an Asian Tiger and was far ahead than Korea, Singapore, Hongkong etc , Pakistani Institutions were stable e.g; PIA, Railway, Wapda , Various big dam were built , National Television was started which is a form of modern technology as per 1960s ... There are pros and cons of that era , cons may include separatist feeling among bangalis, BUT overall West Pakistani Nation was happy with his era till 1967.

Whole Nation fought war of 1965 under his leadership and still people feel proud of his historic speech which he delivered on Radio and TV.

So my point is Ayub Khan's era was not that bad as few of us think...... His era was definitely better than anyother democratic era, Before him Pakistan's democratic system was a mockery, Every year there used to be a new prime minister ( during 1950s ) So Ayub brought political stability to pakistan in early 1960s.

Ref : http://iba.edu.pk/News/speechesarticles_drishrat/Economic_policies_under_Shaoib.pdf

2 - Zia-Ul-Haq Era

Unfortunately Pakistan was threatended by Russian Red Revolution on its Western Border so Zia had to make a decision of safe guarding pakistan against Soviet Union.
He took some very strict decision , specially related to religious fundamentalism but those all were to save Pakistan from Soviet Red Revolution.

Those who have a concern that Zia could have choosed another strategy forget that Soviet Union was not interested in Afghanistan but their ultimate motive was to have a presence on warm waters of Indian Ocean. Basically Pakistan was their final target in region.

As far as Economic Policies are concerned, Zia Era was also not bad if you compare it to Political Regimes.

See below figures , both Ayub(60s) and Zia(80s) Era stands out from Political Era as far as Economic Conditions are concerned.

3 - Musharraf's Era :

Well , We all may disagree to his policy towards WOT but to be honest his tenure from 2000-2005 was excellent from economic point of view. Businessmen were really happy and development work was carried out all across pakistan. Ask any Islamabad guy about Kamran Lashari, Ask any Karachiite about Mustafa Kamal.
Also no one can say anything about corruption in Musharraf Era.

Conclusion:

Army Rule has been cited as less corrupt, economically more prosperous as compare to Political rule.
Pakistani People does not have same level of hatred towards Army Rule as what they have for Democratic Rule.

 

[aamir_uetn]

اختیارات اتنے ہیں۔ بندہ استعمال کرے تو شرمندہ ہوجائے ۔ جیسے ایک دن کا بادشاہ ہونا۔

لیکن ان کے پاس اختیارات ہیں یہ آپ کیسے کہہ سکتے ہیں

 

[sensible]

اگر آپ کی یہ منتق ہے تو پھر ایک اخلاقی جرت کرو۔ اس ملک پر فوج نے سب سے زیادہ حکومت کی ہے ۔ آپ فوج سے نفرت کرو۔ اور جو فوج کو سپورٹ کرتا ہے اس سے بھی ۔ کیوں کہ جو نقصان اس فوجستان نے اس ملک کو پہنچایا ہے وہ کسی سیاستدان کے بس کی بات نہی تھی۔ اور لوٹ مار کی داستانیں ناقابل بیان ہیں۔

رہی بات پیپلزپارٹی یا نون لیگ کی تو۔ پہلی دفعہ پچھلے 67 سال میں پہلی دفعہ پیپلز پارٹی نے پانچ سالہ ٹرم پوری کی۔ اور دو ڈھائی سال سے زیادہ نواز شریف حکومت کو چلنے نہی دیا گیا۔ تو کیسے کہا جاسکتا ہے کہ حکومت ان کی ناکام ہوئی یا آمریت کے شب خون کی نظر ہوئی ۔

جہاں تک عمران کی بات ہے ۔ اس نے مشرف کو سپورٹ کیا۔ اس نے ہر کرپٹ سیاستدان کو اپنی پارٹی میں قبول کیا۔
جب آپ نواز یا زرداری یا آمریت کے دور کو پاکستان کی مشکلات کا ذمہ دار سمجھتے ہو تو یہ مت بھولو کہ جو ٹولہ آج عمران گرد جمع ہے یہ انہی پیدا کی گئی مشکلات کے حصہ دار رہے ہیں۔

o bhai.app ke nawaz shareef tu paida hi fouj ke battan se huwe.imran khan ne tu support kiya or app ke haan kon sa musharraf ke sath kaam karne waloon ki kammi hai unhi ke dam pe nawaz shareef ki hakoomat chal rahi hai tu pehle khud jee bhar ke sharam kar lo phir dusroon ko dilana.
or azadi kisi bhi kisam ki ho hadd ke ander hi achi hoti hai.azadi izhar ke naam pe kabhi apni maan or bapp ko tu kuch aisa nahien kaha ho ga jise kehne ke baad yeh kehna para ho ke azadi e izhar ka istehmal huwa iss liyeh bemuhar azadi hamien nahien chahiyeh .azadi siraf azadi ki hadd tak kafi hai.madar pidar azadi nahien.

 

[aamir_uetn]

KIAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Raaaz Moderator hai

aakhar yeh raaz khul hi giya

(serious)

afsoos is ki badshahi main hum kitni baar QAID huay aur yeh chup chaap baitha raha

aaj JOKER ne yeh raaz khol diya

نہیں عزیز من ابھی صرف شکوک و شبہات ہیں

 

[aamir_uetn]

How do you know that he/she is a bhai .More than 26000 posts suggests extra chromosome feature XXY ;)