what is Election system in Islam. I need honest comments for continue my research please respond

A.Ali.T

Minister (2k+ posts)
In british democracy we chose a leader by couting vote (person) but in Islamic democracy (Khilafat) we not count people but we weight people. (by taking public opinion for a specific candidate.

Here is an example, a questionair that will be give to every individul of state to give opinion (Vote) for a candidate.

Q1. ap apny zameer ko hazir nazir janty howy batain keh is candidate (name) ki education/taleem apki nazar ma kitni ha. oor keya kafi ha keh yeh benda mulik ka sadar ban sakay. Please circle appropriate. while 0 is worst and 10 is best.

0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 (please weight education)

Q2. apki nazar ma is shahs ki personality ka weight kitna ha.

0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 (please weight)

Q3. yeh shahs tarih se kitna waqif ha.

0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 (please weight)

Q4. is shahs ki speaking power kitni ha.

0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 (please weight)

Q5. is shahs ky dost ahbab kaisy hain.

0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 (please weight)

Q6. leader ship skills kaisy hain.

0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 (please weight)

Q7. Emandar kitna ha

0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 (please weight)

Q8. deyanat dar kitna ha.

0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 (please weight)

Q9. sharafat oor eman kitna ha.

0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 (please weight)

Q10. Sadaqat kitni ha.

0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 (please weight)

Declaration: I swear that i have given my opinion independently without any pressure and without any influnce.

after taking opinion of all public we will calculate weight and the highest weight will be winner.



Aftab, in my humble opinion, before we go into the discussion of election vs selection, let us first determine some basic things
1. What is the purpose of Islamic state?
In my opinion Islamic state is not a community whose population is mainly Muslim, but rather one whose legal order is based on and derived from the principles of the Islamic law. But then, the question arises would you use force to impose Islamic laws on non muslims? or would we govern non muslims according to their religious laws, Like afte Gazwa e Khandaq jews were dealt with using jewish laws.

2. Differentiate between Islamic state and Muslim Ummah
3. Scope of powers (authority) of the islamic state, develop consensus between the state and the citizens.
4. How to give ligetimacy to the leader of this Islamic state? (Election or Selection)
5. Role and obligations of the state
6. Role and obligations of the citizens of Islamic state
7. Relationship between state and different institutions of the state.

I am not a student of Political Science or Islamic Jurisprudence, I am just thinking out loud. Please feel free to comment, add or delete any thing from the above list. I think this can be an interesting discussion.
 

aftabshah

Councller (250+ posts)
What a logic Aftabshah.Islam is to live till last day(Insha Allah).Our DEEN has a vast spectrum.Not a fixed system introduced therefore.It has left a big canves to design accoding to time and conditions.Flexability in governing system or in such other matters is the beauty and supremacy of Islam.

Dear Mr. Baig,

I agree with you, Our deen is not totally Fixed system but can be design with circumstances. What ever i am trying to convence is Also not a fixed and can be modify with new requirements and or other substiture systems also can be implemented.

My point of view is that "comparitively this system is better than current democratic system. What you comment ???

Regards,
Aftab Hussain
 

aftabshah

Councller (250+ posts)
Aftab, in my humble opinion, before we go into the discussion of election vs selection, let us first determine some basic things
1. What is the purpose of Islamic state?
In my opinion Islamic state is not a community whose population is mainly Muslim, but rather one whose legal order is based on and derived from the principles of the Islamic law. But then, the question arises would you use force to impose Islamic laws on non muslims? or would we govern non muslims according to their religious laws, Like afte Gazwa e Khandaq jews were dealt with using jewish laws.

2. Differentiate between Islamic state and Muslim Ummah
3. Scope of powers (authority) of the islamic state, develop consensus between the state and the citizens.
4. How to give ligetimacy to the leader of this Islamic state? (Election or Selection)
5. Role and obligations of the state
6. Role and obligations of the citizens of Islamic state
7. Relationship between state and different institutions of the state.

I am not a student of Political Science or Islamic Jurisprudence, I am just thinking out loud. Please feel free to comment, add or delete any thing from the above list. I think this can be an interesting discussion.

Dear Brother Ali,

I highly appreciate your intention to further explain basics things, here i would like to explain what you are asking;

1. What is the purpose of Islamic state?

The 1st thing is that, in any state to apply islamic law, Majority is not compulsory but it is complusory that muslims have dominant power in that state. Other religions will be free to follow their law in family matters and socially, but not at state level.


2. Differentiate between Islamic state and Muslim Ummah ?

islamic state is a country/state where islamic law is in power and practice and Muslim ummah is group of all Muslim states. but its not compulsory that all muslim states follow islamic law (in modern senerio) so as a whole All muslim countries refer to term Ummah. Ummah is a term not a state.

3. Scope of powers (authority) of the islamic state, develop consensus between the state and the citizens?

The scope of power of any islamic state is to rule country under islamic laws and the rulers are consider as public servents. Consensus will be develop automatically when islamic law is in work.

4. How to give ligetimacy to the leader of this Islamic state? (Election or Selection)?

There will be no any selection at any level, ligetimacy will be determine by Public opinion and then by elected leaders to re-elect supreem leader. but note that there will be no opposition party but every single person have right to stand against any leader's or supreem leader's decision in a special corut.

5. Role and obligations of the state ?

Role is to Follow islamic law and obligation are countless. state is responsible for every thing that comes under law and state is responsible to every person in the state.

6. Role and obligations of the citizens of Islamic state ?

Every citizen is responsible to follow all applicable law, Also they are responsible to completly coopreate with supreem leader or head of the state that can be a president. I can't detail all obligation as there is lot more, on family level, social level, nation level, Ummah level and religious level.

7. Relationship between state and different institutions of the state?

State is major body and institutions are supporting instruments, but on state level judiciary is considar as supreem power in Islamic law, then enforecement agencies are directly under judiciary and not under president. President is not authories to change or imend any law in any case.

Thank you for your comments and if any thing in your mind please feel free to ask.

Aftab Hussain
 

aftabshah

Councller (250+ posts)
Aftab bhai

you are asking the wrong group this complicated question. Its complicated because we have been so influenced by the white's system of govt that we, ourselves, look down upon khilafat system. White's system is called democracy, which simply means that party bazi plays and leave people alone and let them do what ever they want, whether its drug, permissive sex, abortion, gun collections, etc as long you pay taxes, no body will do anything.

Also whites go around the world killing millions in the name of democracy, while khilafat would bring peace and tranquility, education, technological advancements, social welfare. Whites democracy's manifesto is to suppress non-whites specially Muslim countries as you have seen since WWII, where Khilafat treats all equal.

Those Muslims who object to Khilafat or tone down the merits of it, simply do not have enough sumajh boojh becaus ethey have been highly influenced by the whites democracy and they dont even want to find out how good khilafat is.

If you want to really learn the goods of khilafat you can view videos by Zaid Hamid on brasstacks

Salam

yes, u r right. our nation is not ready for such a great system
 
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aftabshah

Councller (250+ posts)
There were elections in Khilafat also. it is prove in history books.

system of khilafat in islam had no elections whatsoever involving common people

a group of sahaba and other pious muslims were chosen to represent a "shura". in this shura no man could enter who had ever lied single time in his life or anyone was chosen who did khayaanat or even went near corruption.the shura consisted of those people whose chacater was as clear as zum zums holy water
,not even a blemish in their character
later these pious muslims of shura elected a khaleefa or ruler of muslims .as they were themsleves very pious so they chose the most pious man in muslim ummah as their leader (this kept on happening till muslims started to get materialistic and went away from true islam)

i give you an example .when one islamic khalifa died shura chose hazrat umar bin abdul aziz (grandson of hazrat umer razialla unhu)...now umer bin abdul aziz was such pious person that history has seen very few people like him...when he was approached to lead he declined and said i do not want any iqtidaar or rule i am a simple person .he tried his best not to get elected as khalifa (a wise man once said that only that person truly deserves iqtidaar who runs away from this knowing that how heavy this responsibility is
anyway people of shura said to umer bin abdul aziz that if you fear allah you would become khalifa as ummah needs you
so he had to accept khilafat
umer bin abdul aziz was an exemplery ruler
in khilafat he became poorest of poor while before khilafat he was well off man as his wife was a princess!he also told his wife that whatever jewelery you have give in allahs name or leave me,but as his wife knew that how great a man he is so she did not hesitate in giving away everything in allahs way till he had nothing at all .nothing at all!
such allah fearing muslim khalifa were the reason that at that time whole of europe used to shiver when they heard islams name..whole world bowed to islams flag at that time and islamic state was bigger than all the states in the world.an absolute super power of that time
princes and princesses of europe used to come to baghdad etc to get education!
such were the times which are now ruined by munafiqeen majority among muslims
 

rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
The answer of all the questions are given IN Quran. we only need to read it carefully and with due understanding.
ALLAH define in Quran clearly a "SELF ASSESSMENT SYSTEM" for each of us in Surey, Al- Tauba, Ayat 24:

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A.Ali.T

Minister (2k+ posts)
Please expalin in detail. tq

Translation of this beautiful Ayat quoted by Rahat is as follows, but I don't think it is relavent to the current topic, however, I agree this a very good ayat for self assessment.

Al-Tawba
Say: If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and merchandise for which ye fear that there will be no sale, and dwellings ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger and striving in His way: then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass. Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (24)

 

aftabshah

Councller (250+ posts)
so, people will fill out this form, and then you will count them that who got more numbers..........? it is still counting, no?

As far as Islamic system is concerned, it is open ended, depend on the circumstances, needs of the day and what ever is good at that moment for those people. If there was to be any specific system in Islam, Hazrat Muhammad Mustupha Salla Allah o Aleh e Waaleh i Wasallim himslef would have established it, but he didnt do it, he didnt specified how to elect his successor, nor he nominated any one, he left it to people how they want to maange it as per thier will.

We had Four Khulafa-e-Rashideen.


Hazrat Abu Bakar Razi Allah Anho was elected through a FREE ELECTION, by people of Madina, or Ashab-e-Hull-o-aqd.
One way of deciding the ruler, or ameer.

Hazrat Umar Farooq Razi Allah Anho was NOMINATED by Hazrat Abu Bakar Razi Allah Anho himslef, no ELECTION were conducted, no one was asked his opinion.
Second way of deciding the ruler, or ameer.

Hazrat Usman Ibn-e-Affan Razi Allah Anho was selected from a six member Council of Regency, nominated by Hazrat Umar Farooq Razi Allah Anho after he was stabbed fatally.
Third way of deciding the ruler, or ameer.

Hazrat Ali Ibn-e-Abi Talib Razi Allah Anho was elected by Sahaba-e-Karaam and also supported by residents of Madina.
Fourth way of deciding the ruler, or ameer.

There is no single way, or presumed Islamic Way of selecting Ruler, or ameer, or Khalifa, it all depend on situation.

What is best way in your opinion according to current situation ?
 

aftabshah

Councller (250+ posts)
What is best way in your opinion according to current situation ?

Here is a step by step Guide to Enforce Khalafat System.

1. Start From your own, research on Islamic system of Politics, Study history of Khilafat, Study Quran with Translation and Tafseer, study hadees books, Fiqa Books and Shariat Books and get equipped with Islamic knowledge.

2. Spread this knowledge to your family and Friends and advocate for this system.

3. Influnce your suroundings to adopt this system where ever you can influnce specially people in Politics.

4. Respond strongly to propa****a against Islamic Political System.

5. The last and most important thing is that, that vote for a good leader that have enough knowlege of Islam. In voting Islam should be 1st proirety to select a leader.

One and one calcutes and become a nation, when more and more people will get aware of True Islamic Political system then offcourse they will like it and in return Islamic Political system Khalafat will be implemented
 

aftabshah

Councller (250+ posts)
yes, u r right. our nation is not ready for such a great system

Gazoo, i really need your recommendation please.

I am seriously thinking to register new political Party in Pakistan and voice for the Implementation of khalaft system in Pakistan. what is your opinion, what is best interest of Pakistan and Islam.
 

rakeem

Senator (1k+ posts)
Gazoo, i really need your recommendation please.

I am seriously thinking to register new political Party in Pakistan and voice for the Implementation of khalaft system in Pakistan. what is your opinion, what is best interest of Pakistan and Islam.

WEll you're late. there is a group called Hizb-ut-Tahrir that already pledges to implement Khilafat in the whole muslim world. Before registering, understand that Pakistani don't vote on issue, ideology or interest.
Sindhis vote based on who successfully promotes division against other provinces, other ethnicities i.e. provincialism, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa vote based on linguistic group they feel close to, Balochis vote based on tribe or who makes the most venomous case against establishment, and Punjab i.e. extreme nationalism , Karachi votes on basis of middle class or else the winner will be someone from feudal class and Punjabis vote based on biradari, caste if both candidates[belong to same caste] then they vote on who they feel has made the most believable promises and all of these collectively called Pakistanis vote based on ethnicity. For starters importantly, which ethnicity,linguistic group,caste,tribe,class you belong to?[kidding]
 
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aftabshah

Councller (250+ posts)
I have idea about Hizb e Tahreer, they are working in Bangladesh and we will work in our country Pakistan.

We will eliminate caste system, bradry, internal boundries etc and will bring our nation by education to vote for Islamic system. This is our intension if somebody accept that will be good and not accept that is his choise and we are not going to offend any way.
 
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shagi

Guest
Allah is able to finish any nation from this earth forever like he did to the nations in the past. I still believe that there is lot of potential in Pakistani nation to become a world power but it will only happen if justice is uphold. Democracy is very essence of Islam. We have mis-understood it. We have made islam a religion rather than a way of life. Every good thing which islam wishes to establish is being practiced in Europe and West. In other words islam is present more in Europe and West in its practical form.
 

aftabshah

Councller (250+ posts)
Allah is able to finish any nation from this earth forever like he did to the nations in the past. I still believe that there is lot of potential in Pakistani nation to become a world power but it will only happen if justice is uphold. Democracy is very essence of Islam. We have mis-understood it. We have made islam a religion rather than a way of life. Every good thing which islam wishes to establish is being practiced in Europe and West. In other words islam is present more in Europe and West in its practical form.

Shagi, reallly great fact you have mentioned above. "islam is way of Life"
I invite you to contribute in this cause upto your extent if possible.
 

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