SHIRK AND TAUHEED

[Pakistani1947]

The basis of these Shirkia acts is wrong Islamic believes

This is not Islam - This is shirk

Dear brother Knowledge Seeker,

Could you please comment on this video? The basis of these Shirkia acts is wrong Islamic believes that Prophet Muhammd (PBUM) including Peer, Walis are alive in grave. They are Hazir Nazir, they know Gaib and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) are in your control and you can invite in your dream whenever you want to...(Astaghfirullah).

 

[Knowledge Seeker]

Dear brother Knowledge Seeker,

Could you please comment on this video? The basis of these Shirkia acts is wrong Islamic believes that Prophet Muhammd (PBUM) including Peer, Walis are alive in grave. They are Hazir Nazir, they know Gaib and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) are in your control and you can invite in your dream whenever you want to...(Astaghfirullah).

People's actions in this video are sign of Jahalat due to lack of awareness about Islamic rulings. You should also understand that although, these actions are not permissible but it might not be appropriate to call it Shirk.

Please be careful to categorise Muslim’s act as Shirk or Kufr.

 

[Pakistani1947]

People's actions in this video are sign of Jahalat due to lack of awareness about Islamic rulings. You should also understand that although, these actions are not permissible but it might not be appropriate to call it Shirk.

Please be careful to categorise Muslim’s act as Shirk or Kufr.

My Dear brother Knowledge Seeker,

If a Muslim does not believe that prostrating (سجدہ) a grave (قبر) is not SHIRK then what can I say. I can only pray for that person.
May Allah give hidaya to my Muslim brothers (Aameen)

What would you say about this video where people are prostrating a Saitan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xibjPDckIXs&feature=related

 

[Knowledge Seeker]

My Dear brother Knowledge Seeker,

If a Muslim does not believe that prostrating (سجدہ) a grave (قبر) is not SHIRK then what can I say. I can only pray for that person.
May Allah give hidaya to my Muslim brothers (Aameen)

Can you please elaborate on following questions:

1)Can you distinguish between kissing the grave and Prostrating the grave??
2)Are both actions Shirk??
3)How many types are for Prostration??
4)All forms of Prostration are Shirk??

would you say about this video where people are prostrating a Saitan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xibjPDckIXs&feature=related

You don’t seem to be that naive to present such videos to negate the importance of People of Tasawwuf.

There are many crooked people in every discipline who are abusing the society but it does not mean that we start blaming that discipline itself instead; we should promote the good work and try to eliminate the wrong acts.

 

[Pakistani1947]

Can you please elaborate on following questions:

1)Can you distinguish between kissing the grave and Prostrating the grave??
2)Are both actions Shirk??
3)How many types are for Prostration??
4)All forms of Prostration are Shirk?

My Dear brother Knowledge Seeker,

Please for just a moment, close your eyes and say three times " I will only Glorify the Quraan and Sunnah (Insha-Allah), I don't care what my Sheikh says to me " and then read following Hadith:

Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 2.667 Narrated byAbis bin Rabia:

'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you."

Now tell me what do you conclude from above Hadith. Do you think Umer (RA) would ever kiss the grave without ever seen Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) doing the same act?

I hope above Hadith would be enough to remove any doubts you might have (Insha-Allah).

Just in case, if above Hadith is not sufficient for your satisfaction then could you please let me know if you can find any authentic Hadith (Shahi Satta) where our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) kissed any grave?

 

[Knowledge Seeker]

My Dear brother Knowledge Seeker,

Please for just a moment, close your eyes and say " I will only Glorify the Quraan and Sunnah (Insha-Allah), I don't care what my Sheikh says to me " and then read following Hadith:

Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 2.667 Narrated byAbis bin Rabia:

'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you."

Now tell me what do you conclude from above Hadith. Do you think Umer (RA) would ever kiss the grave without ever seen Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) doing the same act?

I hope above Hadith would be enough to remove any doubts you might have (Insha-Allah).

Just in case, if above Hadith is not sufficient for your satisfaction then could you please let me know if you can find any authentic Hadith (Shahi Satta) where our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) kissed any grave?

Do not try to divert the discussion as usual and stick to the point. don't be reckless and kindly elaborate step by step on my questions which I asked you earlier in the post:

Originally Posted by Knowledge Seeker
Can you please elaborate on following questions:

1)Can you distinguish between kissing the grave and Prostrating the grave??
2)Are both actions Shirk??
3)How many types are for Prostration??
4)All forms of Prostration are Shirk?

Don't be pedantic and concentrate on questions asked to you and reply accordingly for further discussion.

 

[Star Gazer]

Excellent work and presentation. I would like to mention the shirk which is practiced at Mazars including Lahore at Data Darbar, Bahishti darwaza at Pakpattan, Mazar of shabaz Qallandar and many in Multan ans elsewhere. All those who do not want to be raised with the followers of such shirk and Bidat on the day of the judgement must add their voice.
Please also consider that if any one of us favors a brother,sister,reletive, friend,husband, wife or the powerful rulers of another region and choose not to side with the innocent and weak are also committing shirk, by disregarding the fact that it is our first right to please Allah insteas we choose to please others for fear of loosing their favor.

 

[Pakistani1947]

The menace (خطرہ)of grave-worship

My Brother Knowledge Seeker,

No I am not deviating from the topic . After mentioning the hadith all I said in last post " Do you think Umer (RA) would ever kiss the grave without ever seen Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) doing the same act?"

Please read following article and you will Insha-Allah get all the answers to your questions.

In the East, in countries such as India and Indonesia, the bane of Muslim association and companionship with Hindus, Bhuddists and other Mushrikeen (polytheists) have resulted in a high degree of social and religious integration. The impact of such integration on Muslims has been adverse and highly detrimental since Muslims absorbed the cultural and religious influences of the Mushrikeen cults. In the wake of Muslim association with the Mushrikeen followed the wholesale abdication by Muslims of Islamic values and of the pure and simple Ibaadat practices of Islam. The Sunnah of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) was sacrificed.

In the terminology of the Shariah, accretions which displace or tamper with the Sunnah of Nabi-e-Kareem (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) are described as "bid'ah" or innovations. In regard to bid'ah, Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: “Every act of bid'ah is deviation (dhalaal), and every act of deviation will be in the Fire."

Bid'ah in the Eyes of the Shariah, is highly reprehensible. Its villainy is such that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Whoever honours a bid'ati (perpetrator of bid'ah) helps in the destruction of the foundations of Islam."

Muslims who have taken to bid'ah, thus renouncing the Sunnah, and adopting acts and practices which have neither origin nor sanction in Islam, come within the purview of the following Qur'aanic aayat: "Many among them accept Imaan while (in fact) they are Mushriks."

In other words, they profess to be Muslims, but they perpetrate acts of shirk such as worshipping the graves by performing ruku, sajdah and tawaaf to the graves of the Auliya. The fitnah of bid'ah in our time revolves around the cult of grave-worship (qabar puja). A fundamental doctrine of the Bid'ah cult in our day, is belief and practice in grave-worship. Among the acts of shirk offered to the graves by members of the grave-worshipping cult are:

* Making ruku of the graves.
* Making sajdah to the graves.
* Making tawaaf of the graves.
* Kissing the graves.
* Reversing away from the graves in a show of excessive veneration for the graves.
* Decorating the graves with expensive bedding.
* Placing foodstuff at the graves.
* Arranging festivals and fairs at the graves. Such fairs are called "urs" by the grave-worshippers.

Bid'ah stunts the intelligence of those who indulge in it. It blinds the spiritual eyes of people. It leads unwary and ignorant people far from the straight path and sends them plunging head-long into an abyss of roohaani (spiritual) darkness. The fall into spiritual ruin is described in the following aayat of the Qur'aan Majeed:

"One who commits shirk with Allah, is as if he has fallen from the sky; then some bird (of prey) snatched him or a wind blew him and deposited him in afar away deep pit (of darkness)."

For complete article please click following link:

http://www.al-inaam.com/library/bidat/graveworship.htm


May Allah give Hidaya to all of us (Aameen)

 

[Knowledge Seeker]

My Brother Knowledge Seeker,

No I am not deviating from the topic . After mentioning the hadith all I said in last post " Do you think Umer (RA) would ever kiss the grave without ever seen Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) doing the same act?"

Please read following article and you will Insha-Allah get all the answers to your questions.

Again, you are messing up the discussion.Do not copy-Past details from other articles and make it simple. Please bother to reply to my questions step by step by giving simple answers of simple questions.

Can you please elaborate on following questions:

1)Can you distinguish between kissing the grave and Prostrating the grave??
2)Are both actions Shirk??
3)How many types are for Prostration??
4)All forms of Prostration are Shirk?

 

[Pakistani1947]

Its a shame that in presence of clear Quraanic verses and Hadith (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) some of my Muslim brother are still confused whether Kissing or Prostrating (سجدہ) a grave (قبر) is SHIRK or not.

May Allah give hidayat to all of us (Aameen).

 

[khalid100]

Its a shame that in presence of clear Quraanic verses and Hadith (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) some of my Muslim brother are still confused whether Kissing or Prostrating (سجدہ) a grave (قبر) is SHIRK or not.

May Allah give hidayat to all of us (Aameen).

Dear Brother Pakistani1947, just read the following and chill. If there is no guidance for these people then they will die with it. Only Allah can guide not us.
'If a man gives up contention when he is in the wrong, a house will be built for him within the Garden of Paradise; but if a man gives up contention even when he is in the right, a house will be built for him in the loftiest part of the Garden'

The strong man is not the good wrestler; the strong man is the one who controls himself when he is angry. (Bukhari & Muslim)

 

[Pakistani1947]

Source:http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503546116

Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto,Ontario, Canada, states:

A number of things should be clear in the mind of every Muslim:

1. In Islam, we must not ask, pray, or supplicate to any one other than Allah. This is why we repeat several times a day in our prayer, "You alone do we worship, and from You alone we seek assistance." (Al-Fatihah: 5)

2. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) told his cousin, Ibn `Abbas, "…if you ask, ask of Allah, if you seek assistance, seek assistance from Allah."

3. In the Qur'an, Allah tells us that He is "closer to us than our own jugular vein" (Qaf: 16), and that He knows our innermost thoughts, before we even express them.

4. He (Allah) also guarantees that no matter how ugly our sins are, we can always call upon Him directly, without any intermediary. He has also promised to answer us, so long as we turn to Him sincerely.

In the light of what we said above, no Muslim must think that there is any justification in Islam for calling upon anyone other than Allah. To do so would be nothing short of shirk or associating partners with Allah. Such a practice never existed in the best generations of Islam. We are told to follow their example in religion.

Moreover, according to the Qur'an, the pagans of Makkah who called upon deities other than Allah are cited as saying, "we only worship them in order to bring us closer to Allah." (Az-Zumar: 3) And "They are our intercessors before Allah." (Yunus: 18). It is, therefore, safe to conclude that the practice of calling upon saints, dead or alive, is nothing but a form of shirk. No Muslim should ever contemplate such a practice, if he/she is keen on keeping his/her religion intact.
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Source: http://www.askthescholar.com/question-d"

Question: Istighatha (beseeching favours) on the qabr (grave from the dead): Is it shirk or not?

Answer: Istighatha means calling upon for assistance. The Qur'an and the Sunnah establish tawhid (pure monotheism) as the corner stone of Islam; and thus calling upon anyone other than Allah in matters, which are soley under the control of Allah, is deemed as pure shirk (negation of monotheism).

The Qur'an condemns the pagans for their calling upon deities other than Allah under the false pretext, they are intermediaries in worship. Allah says, "they were commanded to worship Allah alone" (Qur'an: 98: 5).We as Muslims repeat the following in our daily prayers," You alone we worship, and You alone we call for assistance." The Prophet, peace be upon him, taught his cousin, Ibn Abbas,' My son, if you ask, ask of Allah, if you seek assistance, seek assistance from Allah. '

Therefore, to go to graves in order to seek succor from the dead is considered as shirk. We are allowed to visit graves only for praying for them, and not for seeking blessings from them.Such a practice was unknown in the time of Prophet, his companions as well as the pious generations, including those of the four imams.

We may do well to heed the words of Imam Harith al-Muhasibi, "They, whose hearts Allah has opened for His guidance, and, are therefore true in faith, and thus keen on gaining closer to Allah, would only follow the path of the wise ones: They shall observe the strict rules of the shari'ah --as established in the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and the consensus of the righteous imams.". He also said, "Beware of innovations in religion...do not depart from the path of the Prophet's companions, for, assuredly, they were on the truth and clear light; if you were to do so, you are certainly straying away from the truth."

So no matter how saintly or pious the person buried in a grave is, we are not allowed to call upon him for assistance. To do so is shirk, and shirk is an unpardonable sin in Islam. "Surely, Allah will not forgive those who associate partners with Him. But, He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And those who associate partners with Allah have certainly gone far astray." ( Qur'an: 4: 116 ).

 

[Knowledge Seeker]

My Dear brother Knowledge Seeker,

Please for just a moment, close your eyes and say three times " I will only Glorify the Quraan and Sunnah (Insha-Allah), I don't care what my Sheikh says to me " and then read following Hadith:

Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 2.667 Narrated byAbis bin Rabia:

'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you."

Now tell me what do you conclude from above Hadith. Do you think Umer (RA) would ever kiss the grave without ever seen Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) doing the same act?

I hope above Hadith would be enough to remove any doubts you might have (Insha-Allah).

Just in case, if above Hadith is not sufficient for your satisfaction then could you please let me know if you can find any authentic Hadith (Shahi Satta) where our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) kissed any grave?

Where have you got this impression that I am supporting the actions of People in the video? Again check carefully, what I had mentioned in reply of your desire about me to comment on video : People's actions in this video are sign of Jahalat due to lack of awareness about Islamic rulings. You should also understand that although, these actions are not permissible but it might not be appropriate to call it Shirk.

Please be careful to categorise Muslims act as Shirk or Kufr.

So if you are not capable of judging my stance on the matter, how could you even be justified declaring actions of other Muslims as Shirk?

Only thing which I have been focusing you to realize is that every impermissible action can not be classified as Shirk. There is a basic principle in knowledge that, "Ruling on a matter comes after sound understanding of it. To criticize someone's actions, one must first soundly understand them as the person intended them, not as one's own understanding determines.

Shirk is dangerous, but accusing someone of shirk unjustly is even more dangerous. I hope that following references would be beneficial for you to become conscious about the consequences of calling People who believe in Allah and his Prophet Mohammad (Salallahu Alaihi Wassalam) as Mushrik and unbeliever.

The Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said Verily, I fear about a man from you who will read Quran so much that his face will become enlightened and he will come to personify Islam. This will continue until Allah desires. Then these things will be taken away from him when he will disregard them by putting them all behind him and will attack his neighbour with the sword accusing him of Shirk. The Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam) was asked-which of the two was committing Shirk-The attacker or the attacked. The Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam) replied-The attacker (the one accusing of other of Shirk). [Tafseer Ibn e Kathir:Vol 2:265; Masnad E Abu Yaalaa:Chapter on Beliefs]

Ibn Umar (Radhi Allah Anho) related that the Holy Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: If a Muslim calls another unbeliever, then if he is a unbeliever let it be so; otherwise, he [the caller] is himself a unbeliever.'' [Sunan Abu Dawud:, Book of Sunna: vol. 3, p. 484]

Abu Zarr (Radhi Allah Anho) reported that the Holy Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: No man accuses another man of being a sinner, or of being a kafir, but it reflects back on him if the other is not as he called him.''[Sahih Bukhari:Book of Ethics: 78: 44]

Ibn Umar (Radhi Allah Anho) considered the Khawarij and the heretics as the worst beings in creation, and he said: They went to verses which were revealed about the disbelievers and applied them to the Believers. [Sahih Bukhari:6:2539, Sahih Muslim:2:1067;Fatah ul Bari:12:286:6532]

Its a shame that in presence of clear Quraanic verses and Hadith (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) some of my Muslim brother are still confused whether Kissing or Prostrating (سجدہ) a grave (قبر) is SHIRK or not.

Alhamdulillah, I have firm standing on Ilm-e-Tawheed that is why I take proper care to avoid calling something shirk unjustly.

I have Husne Zan with you that you are not blindly following specific group, its material and scholars. If you are confident enough about your understanding of Tawheed then instead of running around without properly addressing my questions, which I have been repeatedly asking you in this post, Please concentrate this time on the answers based on your understanding.

I assure you that I will not even ask any reference in support of your answers. Just reply step by step solely based on your understanding about the questions ( Please no copy-past) .

1)Can you distinguish between kissing the grave and Prostrating the grave??
Answer.................
2)Are both actions Shirk??
Answer................
3)How many types are for Prostration??
Answer...............
4)All forms of Prostration are Shirk?
Answer...............

I have made format for you to answer the question in simple and precise approach based on your understanding.

I will not discuss anything further in this post unless you reply to my questions fairly.

 

[Pakistani1947]