Javed Ahmad Ghamdi Threads - Collection

coolfadi

Voter (50+ posts)
Re: Ghamdi - Women rights in Islam

i doubt the credibility of Ghamdi. He has already said somethings against Quranic verses and he is already very controversial among almost all school of thoughts.
 

lahori

Senator (1k+ posts)
Ankahi - Samaa TV - Javed Ahmed Ghamdi issues in our society

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lahori

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Ankahi - Samaa TV 24-11-2008 & 25-11-2008

PROGRAM TWO

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capre786

Minister (2k+ posts)
Q & A with Ghamdi in the light of Islam 27 dec 2009

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furry87

Senator (1k+ posts)
Second coming of jesus disputed by ghamdi

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your thoughts please , i have read the ayahs hes talking about and i found him to be correct.

The denial of Jesus's divinity (and. For the matter, of Mary's divinity) is presented in the Quran in the form of a dialogue, at the Day of Judgement, between the Almighty Jesus. All the Messengers and their nations will gather before God and He will ask the Messengers how they were received by their people and what they said to them. Among those who will be questioned is Jesus:

"And when God said, 'O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"? He said, 'To you be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, you would have known it, knowing what is within my heart, though I do not know your knowledge; you know the things unseen. I only said to them what you did commands me: "Serve God, my God and your God." (Al-Maida 5-116)

here is another tranlation of the same verse:
And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen

The quran mentions that hazrat Isa's second coming will be on the day of judgement. Key words " All the Messengers and their nations will gather before God and He will ask the Messengers how they were received by their people and what they said to them.". This clearly mentions that it will be on the day of judgement that all messengers and nations will be gathered together for questioning and not before acording to some beliefs in islam and christianity that Isa PBUH will come and save us.

Surah Al-i-imran verse 45 and 46:
45. (Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah."

46. "He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous."

Dr Israr suggests that manhood comes at the age of 40 and jesus died at 33 so jesus must return to live till 40. I find this a totally stupid conclusion from ayah 45 and 46.

Moving on Surah A-Nisa now verse 157:
157. And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]:

This should furthur clarify what Mr ghamdi was trying to say.

Can anyone shed some light on this please.
 

iaw-uae

Citizen
Re: Second coming of jesus disputed by ghamdi

Narrated By Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said "How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. JESUS) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Quran and not by the law of Gospel (Fateh-ul Bari page 304 and 305 Vol 7)

Narrated By Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (JESUS,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): 'And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e JESUS as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them." (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7)

Narrated By Salim: From his father: No, By Allah, the Prophet did not tell that JESUS was of red complexion but said, "While I was asleep circumambulating the Ka'ba (in my dream), suddenly I saw a man of brown complexion and lank hair walking between two men, and water was dropping from his head. I asked, 'Who is this?' The people said, 'He is the son of Mary.' Then I looked behind and I saw a red-complexioned, fat, curly-haired man, blind in the right eye which looked like a bulging out grape. I asked, 'Who is this?' They replied, 'He is Ad-Dajjal.' The one who resembled to him among the people, was Ibn Qatar." (Az-Zuhri said, "He (i.e. Ibn Qatan) was a man from the tribe Khuza'a who died in the pre-lslamic period.")

From the above mentioned Hadith of our beloved Prophet MUHAMMAD (saw), the matter is indisputable of the second coming of JESUS (as) before The Day!. Although as for Mr. Ghamdi, and the two different translation of the Qur'anic verses quoted above by my friend, the sunnah of our beloved Prophet MUHAMMAD (saw) and the sahih Hadiths are the correct and true commentaries of the Qur'an. It is our duty and obligation to first investigate and determine the True meaning first then jump to any conclusions.
 

Tanweer.Amjad

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Second coming of jesus disputed by ghamdi

iaw-uae said:
Narrated By Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said "How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. JESUS) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Quran and not by the law of Gospel (Fateh-ul Bari page 304 and 305 Vol 7)

Narrated By Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (JESUS,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): 'And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e JESUS as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them." (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7)

Narrated By Salim: From his father: No, By Allah, the Prophet did not tell that JESUS was of red complexion but said, "While I was asleep circumambulating the Ka'ba (in my dream), suddenly I saw a man of brown complexion and lank hair walking between two men, and water was dropping from his head. I asked, 'Who is this?' The people said, 'He is the son of Mary.' Then I looked behind and I saw a red-complexioned, fat, curly-haired man, blind in the right eye which looked like a bulging out grape. I asked, 'Who is this?' They replied, 'He is Ad-Dajjal.' The one who resembled to him among the people, was Ibn Qatar." (Az-Zuhri said, "He (i.e. Ibn Qatan) was a man from the tribe Khuza'a who died in the pre-lslamic period.")

From the above mentioned Hadith of our beloved Prophet MUHAMMAD (saw), the matter is indisputable of the second coming of JESUS (as) before The Day!. Although as for Mr. Ghamdi, and the two different translation of the Qur'anic verses quoted above by my friend, the sunnah of our beloved Prophet MUHAMMAD (saw) and the sahih Hadiths are the correct and true commentaries of the Qur'an. It is our duty and obligation to first investigate and determine the True meaning first then jump to any conclusions.

You didn't get Ghamdi's point. He said Mota Imam Malik is the first book and there is no mention about this matter. Someone should ask him how did this thing arrive in other books from Sahih bukhari to sunan ibne maja. Were all the references mentioned in these books were weak to believe? And how did other compilers were able to deduce.

Today we know that Mota Imam Malik is the only authentic book. Ghmadi is simply incredible.
 

iaw-uae

Citizen
Re: Second coming of jesus disputed by ghamdi

Mr. Ghamdi has also missed out the important thing that Christianity is not that of what was preached by Isa'a (as). The Christianity of today is of Saint Paul, and he has disrupted the very foundations of Isa'a (as)'s teachings. This is what the second coming of Isa'a (as) is all about, the breaking of the cross and other events related to it.

We should avoid such fitna's and should NOT bring up the so called FREE speech agenda of the west that is not of us...rather NOT for us.
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Second coming of jesus disputed by ghamdi

Every intellectual and philosopher today is trying explain what is DEEN. ghamdi is one the new fiutnas of the day. It is very easy to find what you want from one the books and say this is the only truth. My request to all my Muslim friends, please be aware of this fitna.
 

Maalick

Citizen
Re: Second coming of jesus disputed by ghamdi

Ghamdhi is preeching AHMADI'S concept... this is a concept of AHMADIS ...

BEWARE of this FITNA ....
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Second coming of jesus disputed by ghamdi

As far as Quran is concerned "There is absolutely NO MENTION OF SECOND
COMING OF JESUS"
, . Rest Allah Almighty is best aware what is going to happen so recourse is towards Him only.
 

butshikan

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Second coming of jesus disputed by ghamdi

babadeena said:
As far as Quran is concerned "There is absolutely NO MENTION OF SECOND
COMING OF JESUS"
, . Rest Allah Almighty is best aware what is going to happen so recourse is towards Him only.
As far as Quran is concerned:
"How many rikaats do we have to offer in 5 prayers or how many Sijdaa or rikoh etc?????
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Second coming of jesus disputed by ghamdi

"How many rikaats do we have to offer in 5 prayers or how many Sijdaa or rikoh etc?????

Rest Allah Almighty is best aware what is going to happen so recourse is towards Him only.

If u can read in between the lines? I can give you a "befitting" answer! But this is not the concerned board. Only Allah knows what will happen?
 

butshikan

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Second coming of jesus disputed by ghamdi

babadeena said:
"How many rikaats do we have to offer in 5 prayers or how many Sijdaa or rikoh etc?????

[quote:1o6vk5fn]Rest Allah Almighty is best aware what is going to happen so recourse is towards Him only.

If u can read in between the lines? I can give you a "befitting" answer! But this is not the concerned board. Only Allah knows what will happen?[/quote:1o6vk5fn]
I am just saying, can we not apply the same logic to read in between the lines of Quran (what we do to seek some thing from His resources in mentioned issues)?
 

Tanweer.Amjad

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Second coming of jesus disputed by ghamdi

sagaciouscorpion said:
Tanweer Sab...

Today we know that Mota Imam Malik is the only authentic book. Ghmadi is simply incredible.

Kindly elaborate this "ONLY"??

By ignoring the evidences of second arrival of Hazrat Isa Alaih Salam in the other books, he (Ghmadi) has concluded that Mota Imam Malik is more credible.
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Second coming of jesus disputed by ghamdi

butshikan said:
babadeena said:
"How many rikaats do we have to offer in 5 prayers or how many Sijdaa or rikoh etc?????

[quote:21fflqf1]Rest Allah Almighty is best aware what is going to happen so recourse is towards Him only.

If u can read in between the lines? I can give you a "befitting" answer! But this is not the concerned board. Only Allah knows what will happen?
I am just saying, can we not apply the same logic to read in between the lines of Quran (what we do to seek some thing from His resources in mentioned issues)?[/quote:21fflqf1]

"In between the lines of Quran" no such thing has been mentioned. So what is there to read. Now your query about rikaats and rikoh etc. You please keep one basic thing in your mind, that "Salaat" as an institution is oft-mentioned in Quran, whereas the "Return of Issa" (which no doubt is such a big event or going to be a big event), no such thing is mentioned. People resort to Hadiths for such things, unfortunately that "Source" is "disputed" and no one can deny that. Anyhow again, ONLY Allah knows the best, nothing in Quran of this incident. I think it is clear now.
 

Bret Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Second coming of jesus disputed by ghamdi

Furry bro I think few of the principles should be understood here before further commenting on the issue of the second coming of Prophet Essa Ibn Mariyam Alihim Salam.

Every Rasool (The Prophet who comes with definitive Divine laws and serve as the final warning sign for his dissenting people) of Allah SWT has to be followed by his people in its entirety or to be doomed for destruction for their repulsive attitudes and deviant conducts.

A Rasool of Allah SWT cant be overcome by his enemies but its a complete diametrical opposite of that first line of principle and that is Rasools used to overcome their disbelieving populace of their concerned particular regions.


Since the vast majority of Bani Israel tribes rejected Prophet Essa AS and tried to lynch him therefore the final punishment of those unbelievers is still pending according to the Sunnah of Allah SWT and this would be done in the end of times in front of their real Messiah Essa AS.


Now I would like to clarify some of the points which this detractor and follower of the Enlightened Moderation model of his secular patrons step by step briefly according to the Ayaats of Holy Quran he has mentioned;


1) Al Maidah: 116: According to Ghamdi sahib Prophet Essa AS would have said to Allah SWT that my Lord Almighty since I was present with them just before the end of the world so how come they followed that dogma of my divinity again along with my blessed mother?. So nave Mr Ghamdi is over here to divert the minds of laymen here in this video and forget to mention that what about those followers of Essa AS who were deceased before his second advent in this world and how would they have benefited from the clarifications of Prophet Essa AS in the end times? Here in this Ayaa Karima it is clearly alluded to those followers of Essa AS who were mislead from the teachings of that Jewish impersonator (Pseudo) Saint Paul and the torch bearers of his ideologies after the ascent or disappearance of Prophet Essa AS in 30 C.E.


2) Al Imran: 46: Dr Israr has a valid point here once again that since word Shaab is still being used in the Arab world for those men who have not reached to the age of 40 / forty and Kahulat / Kahulan is rightly used for men who are aged forty or above. So its an another point which Allah SWT alluded to the followers of Islam that Prophet Essa AS would definitely again arrive in this world and he will speak to the people and his followers after reaching to that age of 40 and above.


3) Imam Maliks Muwatta: It is to be noted here that although it is widely believed among the scholars of Islam that this piece of Imam Malik is no doubt very much authentic and one of the earliest Hadith corpus as well which proves its veracity and authenticity to such extent that Imam Shafi & Shah Wali Ullah ranked it after the Holy Quran in its importance and validity. But Ghamdi here has forget to mention in this clip (Deliberately) that Muwatta of Imam Malik is not merely a Hadith book but its a book of those Hadiths of Prophet SAW which deals mainly with the Fiqh (Jurisprudence) issues of rituals, beliefs, rights, norms, customs and traditions of the Muslim society of Medina (Mainly between 93-179 AH). Therefore the Hadith scholars of Islam dont rate Muwatta as a genuine Hadith book per se but as a valuable legal manual of Islam and therefore its logical to see that not much explanation has been mentioned in this book regarding to the issues of end of times and trial & tribulations of that era.


Finally in the end I would like to mention one Ayaa here from Al Zukhruf, Chapter 43 Ayya 61;

And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment) therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me this is a Straight Way.


Many of the scholars of Quran have a view point here that in this Ayaa it is alluded to the people of Qurayesh and there successive generation of Muslims that his (Prophet Essa ASs Second) coming would be a sign of the impending end of the world and therefore O people dont doubt about that final hour which will descends on your necks no matter how much you deny and despise of its advent. Some scholars and exegetes of Holy Quran do however have second interpretation of that Ayaa that it was intended for the polytheists of the tribes of Quriesh that since Jesus AS has arrived towards his nation therefore the last hour is not that far from you and try to follow the path of Muhammad PBUH who has been given the task of Prophet-hood to guide you people and so on with other major explications on this subject. Apart from that who can deny the Sahih Ahdiths of the iconic Imams of Hadith of Islam (Imam Bukhari & Muslim), which are in abundance in number to profess that Prophet Essa AS will indeed descent on this world just prior to its end and will hoist the flag of Islam till the end of his blessed life on this earth. Only the rejecters of Hadith and Ahmadis can afford to deny those authentic reports of Shiekhien of Hadith and where does people like Ghamdi stands, I think you are intelligent enough to nominate them in those deviant groups where their ideologies seems to bore more semblance and consonance.