Hudhuda insaan ya parinda?

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Raaz

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Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

They think that Allah Tala is talking in Roman Arabic in Quran . Like Hud is the English word for hat. So HUD HUd means a person wearing military hat.

Rasool Pak and arab could not understand , but Pervez and Mirza could. because they were more intelligent , blessed and knew English terms too.

So Hud HUD was man with Hud.:astagh:
 

Raaz

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Raaz, please do not be personal as usual. I have my own priorities and you do not need to dictate me. SHIRK is wide spread in Pakistan due to blind following of Fake Peers. Pakistanis have distanced themselves from Quraan and authentic Hadeeths as they are looking for a short cut to Jannat thtough these Fake Peer.

I do not wish to waste my time on the stupid debate whether Hud was Insan or Parinda (definitely it was a bird). It is my choice you do need to impose anything on me. I have never been educated in madrasas but the way you write it, it sounds like you hate madrasas. Please leave this arrogant behavior and try to be humble.

Regarding Quraan, Allah is protector of Quraan (15:9):

إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ

Yusuf Ali 9: We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).

Shakir 9: Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian.

Pickthal 9: Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its Guardian.

Mohsin Khan: 9: Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption) .

ہم نے یہ نصیحت اتار دی ہے اور بے شک ہم اس کے نگہبان ہیں
No , I am not personal, That was just example.

I got you.

Your thoughts are like
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Who keeps on running ,but could not go beyond the block.

And your block is Sufi.

Try to come out of this lesson and find out more crap , obviously careful of sufi. I do not support any ism , may be sufiism , Qadyanisim , Sulfism or Hanafi-ism, Shia-ism or Ahle Sunat -Waljamat.

Allah told us to hold Quran and obey Rasool. Allah. Thats all.

Every thing is Crystal clear.
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

No , I am not personal, That was just example.

I got you.

Your thoughts are like
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Who keeps on running ,but could not go beyond the block.

And your block is Sufi.

Try to come out of this lesson and find out more crap , obviously careful of sufi. I do not support any ism , may be sufiism , Qadyanisim , Sulfism or Hanafi-ism, Shia-ism or Ahle Sunat -Waljamat.

Allah told us to hold Quran and obey Rasool. Allah. Thats all.

Every thing is Crystal clear.

It is good news for me that you are follower of Quraan and Sunnah. Me, myself chosen to be on the topic of Quraan and Sunnah only. This is my choice.

You wrote me a private message to participate in this debate of HUD HUD. I wrote a lengthy message to you indicating why I am not interested. (by the way... did you receive my private message?)

I hope with time you will be matured, Insha-Allah.
 
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Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Raaz, please do not be personal as usual. I have my own priorities and you do not need to dictate me. SHIRK is wide spread in Pakistan due to blind following of Fake Peers. Pakistanis have distanced themselves from Quraan and authentic Hadeeths as they are looking for a short cut to Jannat thtough these Fake Peer.

I do not wish to waste my time on the stupid debate whether Hud was Insan or Parinda (definitely it was a bird). It is my choice you do need to impose anything on me. I have never been educated in madrasas but the way you write it, it sounds like you hate madrasas. Please leave this arrogant behavior and try to be humble.

Regarding Quraan, Allah is protector of Quraan (15:9):

إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ

Yusuf Ali 9: We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).

Shakir 9: Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian.

Pickthal 9: Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its Guardian.

Mohsin Khan: 9: Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption) .

ہم نے یہ نصیحت اتار دی ہے اور بے شک ہم اس کے نگہبان ہیں


You can discuss it on any other page why to bring it middle of a discussion.

any way

I have always show you Authentic Hadith to support my believes but you always seems to be
Main na manoo.
 

niazi

MPA (400+ posts)
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Miracles kay munkarmugal1 and ehraz,i cant believe even any jew or christian will dare to reject miracles of their Prophets,and you so called muslim actually by rejecting mircles mentioned in quran you are rejecting Quran,think how can be a person denying quran could be muslim,may Allah give you a desire to fing truth.Next step of your is to deny Allah.
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Miracles kay munkarmugal1 and ehraz,i cant believe even any jew or christian will dare to reject miracles of their Prophets,and you so called muslim actually by rejecting mircles mentioned in quran you are rejecting Quran,think how can be a person denying quran could be muslim,may Allah give you a desire to fing truth.Next step of your is to deny Allah.

They have already denied Allah by saying

Sacha Khuda woi hy jis ny Qadiyan main nabi utara.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

It is good news for me that you are follower of Quraan and Sunnah. Me, myself chosen to be on the topic of Quraan and Sunnah only. This is my choice.

You wrote me a private message to participate in this debate of HUD HUD. I wrote a lengthy message to you indicating why I am not interested. (by the way... did you receive my private message?)

I hope with time you will be matured, Insha-Allah.
My purpose to spend time on this site is just for the betterment of people if I could do.

May be my words could be beneficial to someone.

I am happy to the follow the route of prophets , how tell people about every thing.

They dont care about their respect or the topic , but they speak truth.

They dont want any reward too.

All the population is the family of Allah Tala and Allah loves his creation. Including animals and plants and every thing.

We should work on the side of Allah ....It is Allah's job to bless Hidayat and all other blessing , we should keep open our shop.
 
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Raaz

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Allah Tala Tells in Quran Pak about its clarity and non clear people. Surah Namal starts from these Ayat....

بِسْمِ اللَّـهِ الرَّحْمَـٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ
طس ۚ تِلْكَ آيَاتُ الْقُرْآنِ وَكِتَابٍ مُّبِينٍ ﴿١﴾ هُدًى وَبُشْرَىٰ لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ ﴿٢﴾ الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُم بِالْآخِرَةِ هُمْ يُوقِنُونَ ﴿٣﴾ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْآخِرَةِ زَيَّنَّا لَهُمْ أَعْمَالَهُمْ فَهُمْ يَعْمَهُونَ ﴿٤﴾ أُولَـٰئِكَ الَّذِينَ لَهُمْ سُوءُ الْعَذَابِ وَهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ هُمُ الْأَخْسَرُونَ ﴿
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ط س یہ آیات ہیں قرآن اور کتاب مبین کی (١) ہدایت اور بشارت اُن ایمان لانے والوں کے لیے (٢) جو نماز قائم کرتے اور زکوٰۃ دیتے ہیں، اور پھر وہ ایسے لوگ ہیں جو آخرت پر پورا یقین رکھتے ہیں (٣) حقیقت یہ ہے کہ جو لوگ آخرت کو نہیں مانتے ان کے لیے ہم نے اُن کے کرتوتوں کو خوشنما بنا دیا ہے، اس لیے وہ بھٹکتے پھر رہے ہیں (٤) یہ وہ لوگ ہیں جن کے لیے بُری سزا ہے اور آخرت میں یہی سب سے زیادہ خسارے میں رہنے والے ہیں (٥)

surah Kahaf Starts from here.

لْحَمْدُ لِلَّـهِ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ عَلَىٰ عَبْدِهِ الْكِتَابَ وَلَمْ يَجْعَل لَّهُ عِوَجًا ۜ ﴿١﴾ قَيِّمًا لِّيُنذِرَ بَأْسًا شَدِيدًا مِّن لَّدُنْهُ وَيُبَشِّرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ الَّذِينَ يَعْمَلُونَ الصَّالِحَاتِ أَنَّ لَهُمْ أَجْرًا حَسَنًا ﴿


تعریف اللہ کے لئے ہے جس نے اپنے بندے پر یہ کتاب نازل کی اور اس میں کوئی ٹیڑھ نہ رکھی (١) ٹھیک ٹھیک سیدھی بات کہنے والی کتاب، تاکہ وہ لوگوں کو خدا کے سخت عذاب سے خبردار کر دے، اور ایمان لا کر نیک عمل کرنے والوں کو خوشخبری دیدے کہ ان کے لیے اچھا اجر ہے


So the young people of my Muslim nation should not be destructed by any false

statement , in the name of any cosmetic Sufi , or self made intelligent Quranist.

Perveza and Qadyanies are the clear one. may be their few arguments could

impress you , but that would be because of our lake of knowledge in this field.

Just read the respected Quran , it is very clear. better to get a Quran with word to word translation. so that we could verify every world.

And the best thing is to learn Arabic. It is international language and helpful

in finding jobs too around the world. and we will learn Quran too.

Today English is dominating but Arabic is not.

make you ready to face the creator, Allah Rab Ul Izzat.
 
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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Dear Mughal1,
So if taken your own logic and one should read the concerned verses
with context and text, then Hud HUd was a bird. BTW in these verses,
it is clearly mentioned that Birds were lined up or counted and Hud Hud
was absent. Similarly, when it is was matter to bring the throne of
Queen Sheeba, it was from Jin, these are very clear conveyings!!!!
Which one is the translation of Quran, its author's name which U will
prefer to discuss
. Mr. GA Pervez may be a learned man, but what he
translated or written or said is open to question and it is valid for
all.

Dear babadeena, please look into dictionary for meaning of word bird. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. In urdu it is the same thing ie prinda does not only mean bird with feathers. Likewise in Arabic word bird does not mean just a bird with feathers. It also means soaring bird ie a free spirited person who likes flying high or a lively, strong and well trained person for a particular task.

As for translations of the quran, mr parwez's interpretation is better than any but still lacks here and there.

The current translation are wrong because no one has bothered to emphasis the points I am raising they just followed tradition.

Translations are not wrong in essence but in emphasis. Just as they translated taair into bird rather than cavalry. Word TAAIR=bird of feather, steed, horse that is trained and used for a particular purpose, omen etc for example. Likewise word jinn=jinn is not a wrong translation but people who have wrong ideas about word jinn will continue hoplding on to it unless the spect that more sensible is given to this word jinn= demon, nomad, rarely seen, stranger, powerful person, expert, controlling freak, giant etc. When a word has so many meanings why should one use a meaning that keeps confusion going?

Mr parwez does not have beard because it is not sunnah or necessary. Arab shaikhs many still not have beards. Iqbal did not think beard was deeni obligation and jinnah for the same reason.

Moreover, I am challenging these mullas right here to prove me wrong about it. Just talking and talking more is not the answer. It is better to learn what you do not know than start talking nonsense.

I do not follow anyone but the quran and the authentic ahadith and support anyone on any opinion anyone has that I think is appropriate.

It is mulla slaves who cannot imagine life beyond mullas that are showing their flying colours.

I am not asking anyone to accept my opinion blindly, who am I to do that? I am sharing my view on issues and people are free to share theirs. However the problem with mulla slaves is that they cannot accept that anyone should express their opinion at all, particularly if it exposes them and their mullas.

They are not here to exchange views but to fight to impose their views. Regardless it is not their muhalla masjid where they beat each other up but an open forum for sensible people who wish to learn from each other.

Anyway thanks for your participation and all the best.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Brother babdeena
Assalam-o-alaikum.
Brother they are against MULLAHs (both "GAQ" GHULAM AHMED QADIYANI & "GAP" GHULAM AHMED PERVEZ), so Mr Pervez shaved his beard to look different while other one didnot). Both translated Quran from their own thinking & want to look different from others.
I have seen some writtings of AMEEN ISLAHI (he has different way of thinking from mainstream ulemas), & still see some of his writtings from time to time but THIS STUPID METHODOLOY & VIEW POINT i am still not came across in his writtings. They have gone so far here.
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Point is let say for the sake of argument i agree that HUD HUD was HUMAN (Please note still i have not accepted is as MAN)..
MUGHAL1 WROTE:-
The quran is not talking about different species of being but same species ie human and it is dividing them into different categories. teachers, engineers, armed officers and other experts and worker etc
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#1)So for modern way of thinking can u explained my question, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US WHAT WAS THE SEX OF HUD HUD.. WAS HE A MAN, or WOMAN. As WOMAN can also be teacher, engineer, armed officer, expert worker etc)
Please note that i am not making fun of Quran (naozubillah), i just want to know if your so called modern way of thinking can go this far or already have...

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Jaza-k-ALLAH

Dear biomat, I take it as name of a man and gender of a man= male.

For your information parwez has not translated the quran by himself, he has used rules of wisdom, natural facts and the quranic text as basis. he then used that as criterion to select ahadith by cross examining them and rejected what he thought were not right with arguments. If any of you and your mates have problems with that you need to question your own approach as well as his and see which of them is right approach. Also you can scrutinise his arguments and see if you can present better arguments. That is how you prove your point.

regards and all the best.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Did i talk about past generation
Did i talk about Bada Bazurg etc.

Simple Questions need Simple Answer
Question

What is the good approach

1) try to fit and understand Quran on what we know and what we think is REALISTIC
2) try to know and try to find and understand reality of things by on the basis of Quran.

So Choose your option.

Dear Abdul Allah, please read your questions a few times yourself and see if you can rephrase them because as they are they do not make much sense to me. If you are trying to isolate the quran from the world and vice versa then you would be wrong. As for know and realistic, they are one and the same thing if you mean know as knowledge not information. It is because you know what you know therefore you know it is real. The problem is with that which we do not know and we form opinions about it not being sure one way or the other. Hope this helps you to see why your questions are confusing.

If you could express your point clearly than of course I can try and answer your question accordingly.

regards and all the best.
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Dear Mughal1
Assalam-o-alaikum
The way you are replying is making you similar to qadiyanis, thats is when placed with logics from Quran & Sunnah, they tend to reply to those posts in which some one attack personally or their leader..
So by replying my post regarding MALE & FEMALE, you missed my posting of SURAH BAQARAH VERSE 260..
You cannot pick & choose according to your mindset.
Next you will be discussing that QURAN IS MAKHLOOQUE OF ALLAH or not.
ANGELS ARE MALE or FEMALE.. etc etc..
Bhai place ARABIC GRAMMER RULE in front of us WHERE WE SHOULD TREAT "TAAIR" in SURAH NAMAL as HUMAN & BIRD in SURAH BAQARA..
There are rules in ARABIC, thats why so many scholars have translated it as BIRD.
By using your childish logic you want others to just ignore it & continue reading it.
Please make note that is PUBLIC FORUM that is every one can post what he/she likes.
So when you are posting something way different so be ready to face any type of replies.
So try to focus on those postings also where Quranic references have been given.
Hope that you can hold your position on this HUD HUD as HUMAN issue.
Jaza-k-ALLAH
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

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Do they not see the birds above them with wings outspread and [sometimes] folded in? None holds them [aloft] except the Most Merciful. Indeed He is, of all things, Seeing.
Surah Mulk verse 19
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

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Do you not see that Allah is exalted by whomever is within the heavens and the earth and [by] the birds with wings spread [in flight]? Each [of them] has known his [means of] prayer and exalting [Him], and Allah is Knowing of what they do.
Surah Noor verse 41
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

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And when Abraham said (unto his Lord): My lord! Show me how Thou givest life to the dead, He said: Dost thou not believe? Abraham said: Yea, but (I ask) in order that my heart may be at ease. (His Lord) said: Take four of the birds and cause them to incline unto thee, then place a part of them on each hill, then call them, they will come to thee in haste. And know that Allah is Mighty, Wise.
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Surah Baqarah verse 260

Dear biomat, the story of prophet Abraham is that he was sent not to any particular nation. He seems to me a kind of prophet for all people of that time like Adam and Noah. First he starts learning things himself then Allah gives him the mission then Allah teaches him how to call people to Allah and then he goes to one people and then to another people and so on and so forth.

Coming to story of birds, the important point to remember is that any nation that moves away from Allah is a dead nation and to revive it the leader must bring it back to its original form through training and hard work. Given the huge task, even the prophet get a big fright and run for support to Allah. The same happened to Abraham that seeing his task before him he just became a bit depressed. So Allah teaches him how to tackle his people like a person trains his birds. The story is same in case of Moses and Jesus. People are people they give you a big headache when you talk sense to them. It takes a life time to bring up a nation that means something. Our prophet also got worried when people stoned him for talking sense. It is difficult to understand why people beat you up when you talk sense but they do. It is strange world out there.

Rise and fall of nations is repeated discussed in the quran and that is what revelation for revolution means. Mullas have masked these teachings for a simple reason to prevent people from rising up against emperors, rulers and ruling elite. This is what people need to realise. Unless people realise this and unmask the reality of the quranic message for themselves, they will only remain dead people and will never rise. It is for the very same reason they invented stories of 2nd coming of jesus. So that muslim rather than rising up against evil forces wait for the massiah=saviour. The quran is all about self reliance not about waiting for some one else to come and save you. The conspiracy against islam and muslims is clear. It is strange that coming of jesus and mahdi is not at all mentioned in the quran despite such hype amongst masses. Can people not put two and two together?

regards and all the best
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

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And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.
Surah Al-Imran verse 49
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Dear Mughal1
Dont show us story of Abraham & Adam..
Give us a break will u, u r discussing MEHDI & JESUS second coming... Man...
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Show me arabic grammer rule or logic so that i can translate TAAIR as human & bird correctly..
I have posted some ayats please read it & show me ARABIC GRAMMER LOGIC FOR CORRECT TRANSLATION..
 
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biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
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[The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."
Surah Al-Maida verse 110
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
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And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.
surah Al-Anaam verse 38
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
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And there entered the prison with him two young men. One of them said, "Indeed, I have seen myself [in a dream] pressing wine." The other said, "Indeed, I have seen myself carrying upon my head [some] bread, from which the birds were eating. Inform us of its interpretation; indeed, we see you to be of those who do good."
Surah Yousuf verse 36
 
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