Hudhuda insaan ya parinda?

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siddique

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

there is no further need to analysis your mental deficiency. No offence meant!
People like you always dig in the past which you could not over come til yet. You are very unfortunate people who do not learn nothing from the past.
alhumdulillah we as true muslims(the ones with the believe of finality of hazret mohammed salalaho alay hay wasalam) are proud of this state of mind!!!
Not the one like you, whose believe in mirza qadiane!!!!!
Our past is beautiful (khair ul quroone qerne) the time of our beloved prophet hazret mohammed sallala ho alayhay wassalam alhumdulillah and our future shall be glorious in jannah inshallah with our beloved prophet salalalaho alayhay wassalam
not like ur with mirza in hell fire!!!!!
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Dear Mughal, where is your proof? Don't tell me stories of your delusional master. Here is my proof

She (Mariam) said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is (Quran 3:47)

Dear Jaldikar, that is your interpretation of the quranic verse not a proof. The question is, is your interpretation of the verse valid or the one I offer? The clear answer is mine because my interpretation is backed by reality not yours.

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[FONT=&quot]Hearing this, Mary said, O my Lord! How can I have a son when I am not even married yet? He replied, so it will be in time as is usual, Allah creates things according to His rule of creation; when He decides to do anything, He initiates the natural processes, and so things happen![/FONT]

regards and all the best.
 
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Jaldikar

Banned
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Dear Jaldikar, that is your interpretation of the quranic verse not a proof. The question is, is your interpretation of the verse valid or the one I offer? The clear answer is mine because my interpretation is backed by reality not yours.

[FONT=&quot]3/47) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Hearing this, Mary said, O my Lord! How can I have a son when I am not even married yet? He replied, so it will be in time as is usual, Allah creates things according to His rule of creation; when He decides to do anything, He initiates the natural processes, and so things happen![/FONT]

regards and all the best.

I didn't give any tafseer link nor posted any video nor posted any audio to support my view. Infact I have no view of my own I only gave you the accepted translation of the verse. You are forced to write your own tafseer because the translation of the verse doesn't bode well with your fake bed time stories.
 

pak4rule

Senator (1k+ posts)
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I didn't give any tafseer link nor posted any video nor posted any audio to support my view. Infact I have no view of my own I only gave you the accepted translation of the verse. You are forced to write your own tafseer because the translation of the verse doesn't bode well with your fake bed time stories.

May Allah bless you Jalidkar, whatever proof, truth you will give to them, guys like mughal1 will not accept anything coz their main aim is to create confusion and fitna in Muslims , they will keep on their nasty idiotic logics, only pray for them that Allah give them Hidayet , if they dont get hidayet then disgrace and eliminate them . ameen.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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I didn't give any tafseer link nor posted any video nor posted any audio to support my view. Infact I have no view of my own I only gave you the accepted translation of the verse. You are forced to write your own tafseer because the translation of the verse doesn't bode well with your fake bed time stories.

Dear Jaldikar, if you have no view on this matter that is fine by me, however if one offers something as evidence in support of one's claim or position then it has to be taken as one's own because one agrees with it or why would one offer something in evidence that goes against oneself?

There is nothing wrong with discussing things sensibly that only helps increase our knowledge about things.

regards and all the best.
 

pak4rule

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Allah says in Quran: "Say, ‘Shall I inform you of those whose reward with Allah is worse than that? They are those whom Allah has cursed and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made apes and swine and who worship the Evil One. These indeed are in a worse plight, and farther astray from the right path." (5:61)

In surah Baqrah Jews are described as: "And surely, you have known the end of those amongst you, who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. So We said to them: ‘Be ye apes, despised.’" (2:66)

Are we still reluctant to believe miracles? Please help me to understand your understanding of above 2 ayats. Were or are the Jews transformed into APES? I’ve never ever witnessed man transformed bodily into ape. You? You call us being reluctant to believe in miracles but couldn’t post any example from Quran and Hadith.

We should be rational and well aware if we interpret “miracles” mentioned in Quran.
The word “apes” has been used figuratively meaning that the Israelites became abject and mean like the monkeys, the transformation being NOT in BODY OR FORM but in CHARACTER and SPIRIT. They were not actually transformed into apes, only their hearts were changed. By the use this word it is intended to point out that just as apes or monkey are abject and despised animals, similarly the Jews will always remain humiliated in the world and, in spite of their great resources in wealth and education, will never be able to gain any stronghold on the earth; the root meaning of the word signifying abjectness and humiliation as well as groveling in the dust.

The words „apes“and „swine“have been used here in a figurative sense. Certain traits are peculiar to particular animals, and these cannot be fully described unless the animal to which they are known to belong is expressly named. The ape is noted for its mimicry and the swine is characterized by filthy and shameless habits and also by its stupidity. The expression, “who worship the Evil One,” shows that the words “apes” and “swine” have been used here figuratively.


its very strange that you and mughal1 curse mullas for preaching Islam in mullas way, why then you think you have the right to give false or any idiotic explanation about Islam ?

You wont be successful , trust me, coz hidayet is blessed by Allah's will to any person and one who got hidayet , you or your master " shaitaan" wont be able to make him " gumrah ".

cheers.
 
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Jaldikar

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Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Dear Jaldikar, if you have no view on this matter that is fine by me, however if one offers something as evidence in support of one's claim or position then it has to be taken as one's own because one agrees with it or why would one offer something in evidence that goes against oneself?

There is nothing wrong with discussing things sensibly that only helps increase our knowledge about things.

regards and all the best.

I mean it is not my own translation nor my own views but what is written in Quran. I follow what is in Quran. The words are clear in Quran and your fake bed time stories have no authenticity nor do you have any authentic evidence to support your illogical claim except ayen bayen shayen.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

I mean it is not my own translation nor my own views but what is written in Quran. I follow what is in Quran. The words are clear in Quran and your fake bed time stories have no authenticity nor do you have any authentic evidence to support your illogical claim except ayen bayen shayen.

Dear Jaldikar, The quran is in Arabic not english and whoever translates it is actually interpreting it according to his own understanding. Whether that interpretation is right or wrong depends on what evidence is there to support it. Proof is not dependent upon what I say is right or what you say is wrong no matter how many times we repeats this mantra. Only evidence can show what is right or wrong.

Whether we are following the quran rightly or wrongly similarly depends on proper understanding of the quran or failing on that. People are free to believe whatever they like but they are not not free to act without facing the consequences.

I do not claim my interpretation is sensible because I say so but that I have supported my interpretation with clear unchallengeable evidence. On the other hand you keep telling me your interpretation is correct but my interpretation is bed time story despite the fact that you have not produced any supporting evidence for the position you are taking.

So you can carry on claiming what you like but without evidence your claim is just a claim. It is like you accuse someone of something but provide no evidence.

regards and all the best.

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Ehraz

MPA (400+ posts)
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its very strange that you and mughal1 curse mullas for preaching Islam in mullas way, why then you think you have the right to give false or any idiotic explanation about Islam ?

You wont be successful , trust me, coz hidayet is blessed by Allah's will to any person and one who got hidayet , you or your master " shaitaan" wont be able to make him " gumrah ".

cheers.
Please don't try to fake the funk! For me there is no need to curse anyone, and btw you people are doing much better than I will ever do so. See around ya... everybody is cursing his own eldest and ullemas for the mass disturbance caused in the society by them. I don't curse my eldest or my ullemas for what they have been taught.
I have mentioned before that I am not here to impose my version of Islam on anyone but I have my say, and I make use of it. You are right hidayat come only from Allah, and we should pray hard for His guidance.

It seems to me that you are very afraid of that what I have to say! If your belief is that strong, then why do you use poor and bad language against others who disagree with you? Please be focused on the topic and stop being tangled. Did ever mentioned your Sunni, Shia, Deoband, Wahabi, etc. sects in a debate? The answer is a BIG no. Stay focused... whatever you do otherwise nothing will be left behind to be proud of it...! ;-)
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

its very strange that you and mughal1 curse mullas for preaching Islam in mullas way, why then you think you have the right to give false or any idiotic explanation about Islam ?

You wont be successful , trust me, coz hidayet is blessed by Allah's will to any person and one who got hidayet , you or your master " shaitaan" wont be able to make him " gumrah ".

cheers.

Dear pak4rule, I did not curse mullas and I did not accuse mullas about anything without putting forth evidence for it. If I said my interpretation of islam is right regarding any point then I always put forth my evidences as is clear in this very thread. If mullas claim that Jesus was born without father then it is not my responsibility to provide evidence for it but of mullas. They either should do that or not push forth such interpretations of the quran which they cannot back up with evidences. The same goes for various other things which they claim are miracles but in my view are not because there is no evidence to prove them as such.

As for mullas, they fight over things they claim are sunnah but I do not think they are sunnah because the evidence supports the opposite. My point is always follow the evidence instead of make beliefs because that way one cannot go wrong. This will help eliminate sects from amongst us. It is because if we all follow evidence then we will all be led to the same conclusion.

The only person who would not like us to follow evidence is the one who does not want us to unite, for such a person make beliefs are the only way to divide people to keep their masters happy ie the ruling elite. Who divide masses for ruling them. Of course one is free to disagree.

regards and all the best.
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

What a wastage of time and engery: In quran the army of Suleman (as) has been
divided into three:
a) Jinn
b) Annas
c) Taier (Birds).
So by all accounts, Hud Hud is a bird.
When the Lord of this Universe has made the life easy for people, what the
hell they are bent upon to make it so complicated!!!!
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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I do not want to comment on Qadyanis as they have already been declared Kafir (non-Muslim). It is just a waste of time to debate with them. Muslim must make themselves role model so that non-Muslims including Qadianis get inspiration and join them on to the straight path.

In my personal opinion (I may be wrong), Quraanist were evolved after getting sick and tired of hearing fabricated stories spread by Sufis and other deviated sects and took extreme step of rejecting Hadeeths altogether. The blind followers of these deviated sects had been protecting their non-Islamic believe through fabricated stories. They welcomed every fabricated story which could support their non-Islamic believes. In other words, these blind followers tried to justify non-Islamic believes of their religious leaders through fabricated stories. Whereas it should have been vice versa, that is, they should have checked the believes of their religious religious leaders in the light of Quraan and authentic Hadeeths. For example, some of the religious leaders gained authenticity by spreading news that they are in contact with Prophet Muhammad through dreams and that they are capable to lead their followers to Jannat through a short cut. In such situation the blind follower could not even think asking any evidence in support of non-Islamic activities of their religious leaders. According to the blind followers, how their Peer could be wrong while he is in direct contact with Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) via dreams.

All Muslim sects who are based on personalities other than our beloved prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) are raised on very fragile and weak foundations. That is why, they are vulnerable to attacks from Quraanist, Qadianis and other non-Muslims. The only strong foundation for a Muslim can not be anything other than Qur'aan and authentic Hadeeths.

May Allah give hidayat to my Muslim brothers so that they may be united under one Umbrella of Quraan and authentic Hadeeths. (Aameen).
 
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Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
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Sir, please get mature! It is very well explained there, but you are not willing to understand. It's OK.
You must be a very special person who is able to understand "prindoon ki zuban".
Your logic for the simple thing makes me laugh. Hope you don't mind it... ;-)

Well for me Allah's prophet can understand parindoon ke zuban.
But for you A Nabi can not translate/understand Wahi of Allah.


I am waiting for your response on that .

How can you follow a person who claim to be a prophet
and ASK A GAIR NABI HINDU BOY to translate wahi of Allah. and remain in doubt on the translation and ask another gair nabi to translate it. can not even understand that what is the language.

DO NOT AVOID AND ANSWER.
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
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Oh yes, it has. I gave this ayah as ref to make use of brain. ONLY ALLAH HAS THE POWER TO GIVE AND TAKE LIVE AND NONE OTHER. If you interpret this literally, than you have to admit Jesus was son of God or something like that. (God forbid)

OH COME ON WHY YOU CAN NOT EVEN READ QURAN with Care.

you are not even read Quran with care then no way you will pay attention to my posts.

READ AGAIN WHAT QURAN SAID

Sura 5
(110. (Remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O `Isa, son of Maryam! Remember My favor to you and to your mother when I supported you with Ruh - il-Qudus ﴿Jibril﴾ so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught you the Book, the Hikmah, the Tawrah and the Injil; and when you made out of the clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My permission, and you breathed into it, and it became a bird by My permission, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers by My permission, and when you brought forth the dead by My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you since you came unto them with clear proofs, and the disbelievers among them said: `This is nothing but evident magic.''')


READ WITH OPEN MIND please.

Allah clearly says that "BY MY PERMISSION"

But any way i know you will not pay attention again.
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
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Your bore me! everything is written and well preserved. You have exposed yourself as liar... My African friend... Lol!

I am still waiting for you answer about
That how you can follow a person who can not understand the wahi of Allah. who ask GAIR NABI HINDU Boy to translate wahi of Allah for him. And remain in doubt about the translation done by that boy and again ask another GAIR Nabi to translate the wahi for him . He even do not know that what is the language of Wahi.
OMG

and you are not answered it yet
or even point out that where i can get the answer

if you think on this question with care you will be freed :)
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Why should I? You are debating with me and not with my whole Jamaat. It is possible that other people in my Jamaat even disagree with me perspective. We are debating as an individual and not Ahmadi vs Sunni. You take single ayah literally and I disagree.


Ehraz answer please can your Khalifa be wrong???
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Loool! Oh my goodness. Why do you try to impose your version of Islam on me? Did ever imposed my belief on you? Please don't make fool of your self.

edit: your next call could be: stop telling Christians Jesus is not son of God! :-) Or I should avoid Christian people... :-)

No I just back your views that
Every one should Believe on Quran.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

And I am waiting Jews to be transformed into APES AND SWINE.;)(clap)
All Muslims believe in Allah and Quran and what allah Tala has said in Quran.

You will get Apes and Swine Transformed.

Have you not seen How Mirza Mardood transformed from a mulla to false Nabi and False Mahdi. What was that ? Less than ape ?

And how Pervaiz is transforming Quranic meanings , Is it not like a transformation to swine??

He deviated lots of people like Mughal in the name of common sense. The pig is also very intelligent animal.

Dont we think that what is Quran style.allah Tala tells the examples and describes clearly there , that it is example. like example of noor in Surah noor.

And tells in 1st parah that Allah do not shy of giving example even of a mosquito. ( Thought Mosquito is avery valueless animal)
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
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The reason I am more interested in realistic interpretation.

REALISTIC Interpretation
Hmmm
Which REALISTIC interpretation.
For Human every thing that fit in his mind is realistic.

Human REALIZATION for a thing changes over time changes on basis of any theory that he can prove.
once man thinks that earth is in center
Now try to translate Quran according to that REALISTIC DISCOVERY of that time.

then man said Sun do not move
Now translate Quran according to this REALISTIC THEORY.

Now we believe that Even Sun is moving

Now again change the Quran translation to fit in to this REALISTIC theory.

your approach is
Change interpretation of Quran as per what is REALISTIC for you.
My Approach is
Try to find out REALITY according to the Quran.

I know you will not change your REALISTIC approach
 
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