How Pakistan reacted when 90 Ahmedis were murdered while praying

[Raiwind-Destroyer]

relifious fascism is a big problem in pakistan. We need to realize it before we deal with it.

how did ahmadies reacted while being in israel and seeing the same Israely terrorist killing the whole palestine nation

ahamdies are back stabers they are doing propaganda against pakistan in western countries and asking for mercy from pakistan what a hypocritical ahamdies sect is

but i agree in pakistan we should not discriminate against any body

 

[Okara]

for me shia, wahabi sunni, doesnt matter. All are muslims except qadianis.

Is it necessary to agree with you? For me the base of Deen E Islam is Quran and Sunnah Wama Alayhiss Sihaba. Mean Quran and Sunnah on which Sihaba Ikram Ridwanullah Majmaeen acted collectively.
Islam is neither Sunni nor Shia rather Islam is Islam and its followers are called Muslims.

 

[Dilwaly]

Which Islam? Please define it?

I will give Lecture in islamyat class

 

[زبانِ خلق]

Our treatment with minorities is deplorable at best. Islam forbids mistreatment of minorities. The society in sub-continent is heavily influenced by the Hindu caste system, its segmented at various levels with different shades like ethnicity & financial means. Especially Christians which were mainly Hindu converts of lower castes. Brits also encouraged religious divisions to implement their divide & rule strategy.

Its time we correct our ways.

 

[Pro Reverse Colonisation]

I would never use the word 'kafir'. She has a religion and its name is christianity. She is a christian and should be called as such. what if non muslims start calling u kafir rather than muslim, would u like it?

Bro/Sis. Kindly read the Surat No. 109. If someone is not a Doctor, should he/she mind if we don call him/her a doctor

 

[Respect]

Pakistan government's has always supportive to the minorities unlike Indian government which has been doing state sponsored terrorism

Bot really Christians and Hindus have not been treated that nice, things are looking better with PTI govt.

 

[SaRashid]

Every Pakistani praising people of New zealand and its leadership for showing support for the Muslim massacre should also know how they themselves reacted when 90 Ahmedis were murdered while praying inside their praying facility.

Not a single government official attended their funeral. No rally was held in their support. Sweets were distributed openly and government could take no action against them.

We as Pakistanis should realize that we are deeply entrenched in religious fascism and it is high time we tackle this issue.

میں نے کل بھی اس موضوع پر بات کی تھی کہ نیوزی لینڈ کے مسلمانوں نے عیسائیوں کی لینے کے لیے کسی پنجابی کو نئے زمانے کا مسیح اور خدا نہیں بنایا جیسے قادیان کے پنجابیوں نے انگریز سرکار سے پیسے لے مرزا غلام قادیانی جیسے شیطان کو مسلمانوں کی لینے کے لیے پیدا کیا تھا۔
تو ایسے میں نیوزی لینڈ کی وزیراعظم اگر مسلمانوں کی دل جوئی کر رہی ہے تو قادیانیوں کی ڈیش میں کیوں آگ لگ رہی ہے؟
قادیانیوں / احمدیوں نے اپنی شکل دیکھی ہے کبھی آئینے میں؟ وہ اس قابل ہیں کہ ہم ان کے جنازے پڑھیں؟
پھر قادیانیوں پر حملہ ہوا، غلط ہوا۔ ان کافروں کو ان کے حال پر چھوڑ دو، ہاں ان کی سازشوں پر نظر رکھو کہ یہ دشمن سے مل کر کب کب ہمارے لیے نئے جال بنتے ہیں۔
مسلمانوں پر حملے ہوتے ہیں تو کون سا قادیانیوں کا بھگوڑا خلیفہ ان سے تعزیت کرتا ہے؟ الٹا یہ کمینے اسرائیل میں بیٹھ کر فلسطین کی مخالفت اور یہودیوں کے تلوے چاٹ رہے ہیں۔​

 

[SaRashid]

We should learn a lot as how to conduct ourselves from a kafir lady who really is inspiring in her every step and action. Academically Muslims are assumed to posses such qualities but sadly it is totally missing.. no wonder the whole community is on the receiving end..

بس کر دے ڈرامے باز۔
ان عیسائیوں نے افغانستان، پاکستان، عراق، شام وغیرہ کی بجا کے رکھ دی ہے۔ لاکھوں انسانوں کو موت کے گھاٹ اتار دیا ہے۔ اپنے مہلک ہتھیاروں کو ہم پر آزما رہے ہیں۔ ہندوستان کو اکساتے ہیں کہ پاکستان پر حملہ کر دے، اسرائیل امریکہ نے ہندوستان کو گود لیا ہوا ہے۔
ایک نیوزی لینڈ کی وزیراعظم نے ہمدردی کیا کر دی، تو چاہ رہا ہے ہم اپنی شلواریں اتار کر اس کے آگے بھنگڑے ڈالنا شروع کر دیں؟ کوئی شرم حیا ہے تیرے اندر؟
نیوزی لینڈ والوں نے بھی اپنی کمینی فوج افغانستان وغیرہ بھیجی ہوئی ہے جہاں یہ کمینے اپنے امریکی باپوں کے اشارے پر لوگوں پر زمین تنگ کر رہے ہیں۔
اور نیوزی لینڈ کی وزیراعظم اگر برقعہ پہن کر ہمدردی کر رہی ہے تو کون سا کمال ہوگیا؟ یہ سب وہ اپنی مشہوری کے لیے کر رہی ہے۔ اگر وہ اتنی بہادر اور سچی ہے تو اپنی فوج مسلمانوں کی زمینوں سے واپس بلوائے۔ کیوں باقی عیسائی اور یہودی کافروں سے مل کر مسلمان ممالک پر قابض فوج کا حصہ بنی ہوئی ہے؟​

 

[SaRashid]

پاکستان میں جتنے حملے احمدیوں / قادیانیوں / مرزائیوں / فسادیوں پر ہوئے ہیں، اس سے کہیں زیادہ شیعوں پر ہوئے ہیں۔ اور شیعوں سے زیادہ سنیوں پر ہوئے ہیں، اور ہو رہے ہیں۔ کل ہی مفتی تقی عثمانی پر قاتلانہ حملہ ہوا اور کم سے کم دو افراد زندگی کی بازی ہار گئے۔
اس پر یہ احمدی مردود اور ان کے بھگوڑے خلیفہ کے پیٹ میں درد کیوں نہیں ہوا؟
کیا کی کوئی مذمت؟
یا پوٹیاں کرنے کے لیے بس یہ فورم رہ گیا ہے؟​

 

[fawad ali]

I am not talking about the attack. Attack tau hakoomat ya log nahe kertai. We cannot control it. But the reaction to it is what we can control. Reaction hamara kia tha? No one went to see their families. No sympathies by anyone. If anyonr tried to show sympathy, he was threatened.

 

[Humi]

It is not just about showing solidarity to the victims but the hate filled rhetoric too that contributes to their victimization and enables extremists to take actions against them.That needs to be reduced.

The sitting PM himself contributes to this disgusting bigotry by walking back his wishes to appoint Atif Mian as the Finance minister when it is pointed out to him that he is a Qadyani but you demand politicians who enable anti Muslim rhetoric in Western countries to be thrown out. The government in power enables a terrorist Mumtaz Qadri loving nut job Chohan by giving him a bigger platform but we want anti-immigrant politicians in Western nations to be de-platformed.

You want the media of foreign countries to stop giving coverage to individuals who spread hate against Muslim but you have well known personalities on Pakistani media saying horrible things about Qadyanis. Forget well known figures in media, even most Pakistanis wont have an issue spreading hate against them by claiming Qadyanis are against Islam and anti Pakistani agents. Why do you have a problem then when Americans claim that Muslims are against the freedoms of Western nations and extremist agents designed to bring in Sharia? You want foreign countries to take better care of refugees fleeing Syria but think Afghani refugees can never be loyal enough to Pakistani. Some people have issues with Muslims in India being labeled as Pakistani agents but smear Shia and Afgani minorities as being Irani and Afghani agents.

The hypocrisy couldn't be more obvious and disheartening.

 

[SaRashid]

It is not just about showing solidarity to the victims but the hate filled rhetoric too that contributes to their victimization and enables extremists to take actions against them.That needs to be reduced.

What hate? It's you who 'believe' we hate them. The reality is we treat them the way they are asking for. Their faith is based upon direct attack on ours, they are continuously at war with our ideology. This is like in a Christian majority country, an group funded by 'Muslim extremists' claims that they follow a 'Punjabi Jesus' who hails from Lahore Pakistan. And this 'Desi Jesus' is the messiah for all the Christians in the world and those who don't believe in this 'Punjabi Jesus' are the infidels and kafirs. Do you think the Pope from Vatican is going to love that and is going to shower this Punjabi-Jesus-group with chocolates and candies?

Stop living in a fools paradise, be realistic. You can't compare these Ahmedis with the Muslims living in a foreign land. You can't compare mangoes with potatoes, can you?

The sitting PM himself contributes to this disgusting bigotry by walking back his wishes to appoint Atif Mian as the Finance minister when it is pointed out to him that he is a Qadyani but you demand politicians who enable anti Muslim rhetoric in Western countries to be thrown out.

PM Imran had to comply with the wishes and demands of Pakistani Muslims or else he would be thrown out of power. The PM couldn't go against the Constitution which has declared the Ahmediyya as a Non-Muslim minority.

And once again you're imagining things that we the Muslims living in Muslim majority countries demand that such Islamophobic politicians must step down. Show me where we have made such a demand. If you fail to do so, say sorry or edit your above post.

The government in power enables a terrorist Mumtaz Qadri loving nut job Chohan by giving him a bigger platform but we want anti-immigrant politicians in Western nations to be de-platformed.

Blair, Bush, Obama, Trump have invaded Muslim countries and killed innocent people by branding them as terrorists. Such villainous figures ruled countries like Britain and US. Did you ever hear or read a demand from mainstream Muslims that these terrorists must step down from power?

You want the media of foreign countries to BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

Stop imagining things. We don't want that you claim we do.

 

[SaRashid]

I am not talking about the attack. Attack tau hakoomat ya log nahe kertai. We cannot control it. But the reaction to it is what we can control. Reaction hamara kia tha? No one went to see their families. No sympathies by anyone. If anyonr tried to show sympathy, he was threatened.

Why on earth would we show sympathy to these mischief makers that you call Ahmedis? We didn't attack them. Those who attacked them in their place of worship might be the agents of India, or America who probably wanted to give impression that Pakistan wasn't safe for minorities. The truth is Ahmediya/Mirzais haven't been attacked much in this country. Their mentors living in the West complain more than needed. More attacks have been perpetrated against the majority Muslims in this country.
To hell with these enemies of the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w, we don't care about them, they may go to a shit hole, who cares?
The Mirzais also dont' care about us. They don't condemn that Rohingiya Muslims were targeted by the Buddhists. They don't condemn when Christian nations attack Muslims and kill the innocent.

 

[Humi]

What hate? It's you who 'believe' we hate them. The reality is we treat them the way they are asking for. Their faith is based upon direct attack on ours, they are continuously at war with our ideology. This is like in a Christian majority country, an group funded by 'Muslim extremists' claims that they follow a 'Punjabi Jesus' who hails from Lahore Pakistan. And this 'Desi Jesus' is the messiah for all the Christians in the world and those who don't believe in this 'Punjabi Jesus' are the infidels and kafirs. Do you think the Pope from Vatican is going to love that and is going to shower this Punjabi-Jesus-group with chocolates and candies?

Stop living in a fools paradise, be realistic. You can't compare these Ahmedis with the Muslims living in a foreign land. You can't compare mangoes with potatoes, can you?


PM Imran had to comply with the wishes and demands of Pakistani Muslims or else he would be thrown out of power. The PM couldn't go against the Constitution which has declared the Ahmediyya as a Non-Muslim minority.

And once again you're imagining things that we the Muslims living in Muslim majority countries demand that such Islamophobic politicians must step down. Show me where we have made such a demand. If you fail to do so, say sorry or edit your above post.


Blair, Bush, Obama, Trump have invaded Muslim countries and killed innocent people by branding them as terrorists. Such villainous figures ruled countries like Britain and US. Did you ever hear or read a demand from mainstream Muslims that these terrorists must step down from power?


Stop imagining things. We don't want that you claim we do.

ah great, the good old everyone and everything is out to get us and we dont play a part in it at all.

You all need to stop beating the drums of the constitution says so, so its OK. I doubt a more hollow argument than thet exists as far as this issue is concerned. Holocaust and slavery were perfectly legal too. The "legality" of something doesn't make it right. If Western nations amend their constitution or introduce legislation to treat Muslims as second class citizens then I suppose I will find you saying that its perfectly OK as well then as it's legal now? As far as the point of the Pakistani government coddling bigotry is OK because that's what Pakistanis want then in some of these Western nations, majority of its citizens support getting rid of Muslim refugees or even limiting Muslim immigration to as little numbers as possible. I suppose the Western governments should honour the wishes of their citizens and just toss Muslim refugees out as well? Not that that dont treat Muslim refugees horribly but things could definitely be made much more horrible for them.

As far as the blacklisting of politicians is concerned, I meant politicians like Trump, Fraser Anning etc. Most of us are definitely wishing for them to be indicted or removed in next elections which is perfectly fine as that is how it should be.

 

[SaRashid]

ah great, the good old everyone and everything is out to get us.

I am not sure why you think just because it's in the constitution, the mistreatment is OK. If Western nations amend their constitution to treat immigrants more horribly than they already do, then

This is you who thinks that this is mistreatment allowed by our Constitution. The people of Pakistan do not agree with your opinion in this matter. That's why this clause which was inserted in the Constitution in 1974 is still in place.
Western nations do not consult us before writing their constitutions, so we don't care what they do with theirs, do we?

 

[T-i-g-e-r]

for me shia, wahabi sunni, doesnt matter. All are muslims except qadianis.

well if you really compare shia and qadiyani . you will be surprised to know qadiyani only do one thing wrong which is not to accept muhammad pbuh last prophet where as shia attack on all pillars of islam . they dont belive in ones of allah they believe there are 5 powers . they dont believe in finality of prophet they believe their imams shar equal powers and after muhammad their imam is superior to all other prophets . they dont believe in quran they says real quran will be brought by hazrat mehdi , and then they believe prophet muhamad was helpless man who failed to establish the real state because he was at the mercy of people around him who were not loyal and they abuse them .. last but not the least qadyanies are recent fitna some 200 before they born but they are a ideology .. where as shiaism is 1350 hundered year old fitna and they dont hold ideology their source is struggle for power through character assassination

 

[SaRashid]

well if you really compare shia and qadiyani . you will be surprised to know qadiyani only do one thing wrong which is not to accept muhammad pbuh last prophet where as shia attack on all pillars of islam . they dont belive in ones of allah they believe there are 5 powers . they dont believe in finality of prophet they believe their imams shar equal powers and after muhammad their imam is superior to all other prophets . they dont believe in quran they says real quran will be brought by hazrat mehdi , and then they believe prophet muhamad was helpless man who failed to establish the real state because he was at the mercy of people around him who were not loyal and they abuse them .. last but not the least qadyanies are recent fitna some 200 before they born but they are a ideology .. where as shiaism is 1350 hundered year old fitna and they dont hold ideology their source is struggle for power through character assassination

You're seriously exaggerating about shias. Their mainstream is not as you're describing. You need to get informed first before speaking on this subject.
Shias don't explicitly deny the finality of Prophethood after Muhammad pbuh, but Qadiyanis do. That's why our Constitution declared Ahmedis out of the fold of Islam but not shias.

 

[T-i-g-e-r]

You're seriously exaggerating about shias. Their mainstream is not as you're describing. You need to get informed first before speaking on this subject.
Shias don't explicitly deny the finality of Prophethood after Muhammad pbuh, but Qadiyanis do. That's why our Constitution declared Ahmedis out of the fold of Islam but not shias.

i heard from many personally that wahi was supposed to come to hazrat ali ... and the night hazrat ali slept on pbhum s bed at the time of migration it came to hazrat ali thinking he is prophet .. there are many who will tell you nepal story they die and get life again ..

 

[Steyn]

Oh fuck off. You people and demanding rights for Qadyanis.

Muslim Pakistanis are dying of poverty and are in shitty condition in the county and their rights being violated. Ever heard of what happened at Sahiwal when the government murdered "Muslim" innocent family?

Who came out in protest for the orphaned kids?

Give me a break.

New Zealand is a developed nation. Residents of Shitholes like Pakistan don't have any rights.

You stupid people would protest about rights of animals in a shithole like Africa too where humans don't have rights. It's like you're blind to reality.

 

[SaRashid]

i heard from many personally that wahi was supposed to come to hazrat ali ... and the night hazrat ali slept on pbhum s bed at the time of migration it came to hazrat ali thinking he is prophet .. there are many who will tell you nepal story they die and get life again ..

Obviously you heard the wrong thing. Mainstream shias don't have such beliefs about revelation. It's only a minority shia-offshoot which holds such belief. And as I said, instead of hearing lies from people, do your own research.