Get another passport - Talat Hussain

[Zionist Hindu]

KKK is the group whose is playing in the hands of the enemy by spreading hopelessness, despair, demoralization, and tension in the society. Once you succeed in engraving such things in the minds of the common man, 80% of the battle is won. KKK = Zionist Puppies. KKK is such a lethal weapon that it paralyzes minds of the nation. Successful usage of it is a dream come true for the enemy. People like Hassan Nisar, Gen.Rtd Talat Hussain, Hassan Askri, Pervaiz Hood (YAhood) Bhai, Najum-ud-Din Sheikh and many other belong to the same category.

Have you ever wondered why all the highly educated moderate people in Pakistan are Zionist puppies and all the metric fail hate mongers are True patriots. No wonder everything in Pakistan is upside down. Good people are hated and bad ones are considered heroes.
Zaid Hamid Zindabad!!!
Mother Teresa Murdabad!!

 

[alibhai]

Go to the original article in the tribune from the link at the start of the thread. It seems most people there have also called talat out on his feeble attempt at defelecting the truth. But he has gone further and maligned those with a different view of life than him. Sinking to the low of calling them KKK. But we'll not be deterred. We will continue to speak the truth. Hamaen hae hukme-azaan, la ilaha illallah.

On a seperate note, did anyone else cringe when Kashif Abbasi non-chalantly pulled out dollar and pound currency notes/bills from his wallet during his show with talat as they went looking for conspiracy theories against the cricket team. And, It wasn't long ago they chided the wife of a politician when she was robbed while shopping for carrying dollar bills in her hand bag. ****ing hypocrites.

 

[awan4ever]

I am a fan of Talat Hussain and I rate him higher than any other sane voices that are being mentioned. The article should be read fully but I think most people are just taking out the KKK part because it is polarizing and easily distributes people into the pro and anti factions.

the KKK — is actively pushing the narrative that Pakistan is a failed state because this nation, culturally, does not have the attributes of a successful civilisation.
The madness in Sialkot seems to have triggered their wholesale laceration of Pakistanis. This incident has been mounted on the billboards of ridicule as the final verdict on this all those who live here. According to one member of the KKK, our entire history is so designed as to only produce violence and bloodbath. In other words, we as a people, are historically, culturally, and politically wish death and destruction upon ourselves and on others.
Other members of the KKK are busy in drawing rooms spreading the argument that Pakistan’s experiment in attaining the level of a civilisation has failed.

This is where he explains what the KKK is doing. But as we have seen on this very forum, similar atrocities as the one committed in Sialkot have been already committed across the border. Does that make them a failed state or does that elicit a similar response from the liberal elite? No. They highlight their weaknesses and try to find solutions from within the system instead of condemning themselves to being incorrigible savages.

While our grasp of world history may be faulty but we have poured over enough paper to know that the Indus civilisation does not have a monopoly over lynch mobs, witch-hunters, and stake-burners. Nor does the subcontinent species have beastliness built into its bones. The entire European history, as indeed British and American history is soaked in blood, sometimes shed in the name of religion, sometimes in name of carrying the white man’s burden, but mostly in brutal self-interest.
All colonialists were master killers. The British took the cake in managing meticulous elimination in the lands they occupied for gold, slaves and the glory of the crown. Today’s civilisational success — on whose merit according to the KKK, we don’t measure up — is built on yesterday’s systematic murder of weak natives.

He goes on to highlight the bloodshed committed by the 'civilized' west who we look upto as the champion of all things humane and the epitome of human social achievement. The KKK, with their enlightened world view conveniently forget the millions, yes MILLIONS ethnically cleansed in the Americas by the white man and it wasn't thousands of years ago. The amount of deaths in the two world wars is sufficient proof of the wests blood lust. Yet no one has ever condemned the whole of the west as being a nation of ravaging maniacs even after they have bombed and killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Why has no one ever called the US a savage nation?

Yes we have many weaknesses and the current spate of continuous calamities and sad events has lead to a sense of hopelessness yet condemning the whole race for the actions of a few while at the same time giving a free pass to similar and more atrocious actions of another is anything but just.

I do like Hassan Nisars take on things but I think he goes over board with the whole 'Muslim history is full of bloodshed' narrative as if the rest of the nations histories are full of chocolate and honey!

The gist of the whole article I think is that if all these nations can rise above the blood feuds and social injustices so can we. There is no genetic defect in us that stops us from getting there.We just need to find the will to do it.
I sometimes feel that Hassan Nisar and the KKKs give this impression that we are genetically incapable of achieving anything worthwhile. That is where I want to get up and dropkick him/them in the nuts!

 

[alibhai]

@awan4ever, bhai the question is not are we the worst. The question is, how are we doing in the present.

Hasan Nisar is the harshest. I'll give you that. But, his critique is not limited to the past. Infact his only criticism of the past arouses when people around him bring up the conquerors of our past. And he has to then point out that most of them were conquering there brethern. But that is politics of those days. But his criticism of a society where everyone, from the milkman, to the shopkeeper, to the policeman, to the security guard, doctor, pharmacist, teacher, you name it, is corrupt to some degree rings true. Living in the west has opened my eyes to the possibility of a society where better can be achieved. Even if it is done by force of law.

Offcourse, there is no genetic defect. There is a deficit of honest introspection and the next step has to be remedial action. But the naysayers, attack you at call to introspection. And we are not progressing any further because of that. Isn't it true that we as a society, as a country, as the whole ummah are not adding anything to the world right now. Honestly, we add nothing to the world of arts or science. If anything, we are seen as bent upon destroying it all. And it hurts. We know what we, our people are capable of given the right opportunity. So it hurts when as a collective we are at constant loggerheads, stuck in traffic jam and not getting anywhere. I take Hasan Nisar's rants as a son would take a fathers'. He is flustered by our failures.

 

[awan4ever]

@awan4ever, bhai the question is not are we the worst. The question is, how are we doing in the present.

Hasan Nisar is the harshest. I'll give you that. But, his critique is not limited to the past. Infact his only criticism of the past arouses when people around him bring up the conquerors of our past. And he has to then point out that most of them were conquering there brethern. But that is politics of those days. But his criticism of a society where everyone, from the milkman, to the shopkeeper, to the policeman, to the security guard, doctor, pharmacist, teacher, you name it, is corrupt to some degree rings true. Living in the west has opened my eyes to the possibility of a society where better can be achieved. Even if it is done by force of law.

Offcourse, there is no genetic defect. There is a deficit of honest introspection and the next step has to be remedial action. But the naysayers, attack you at call to introspection. And we are not progressing any further because of that. Isn't it true that we as a society, as a country, as the whole ummah are not adding anything to the world right now. Honestly, we add nothing to the world of arts or science. If anything, we are seen as bent upon destroying it all. And it hurts. We know what we, our people are capable of given the right opportunity. So it hurts when as a collective we are at constant loggerheads, stuck in traffic jam and not getting anywhere. I take Hasan Nisar's rants as a son would take a fathers'. He is flustered by our failures.

I have seen Hassan Nisar go overboard. Although I agree with the father-son rant metaphor yet he is a media person and he has to hold back on certain things which he doesnt. I agree with most of what you have said, infact all of it but that is different from the narrative of the typical KKK who would just go about dissing the whole nation without actually offering a remedy. Sometimes I feel the crazed ZaidHamid nuts are better than these KKKs because atleast the nuts have a suggestion, albeit a flawed one, for the problems whereas the KKKs are just 'mein-na-manoo' types who only see the good things of the west and the bad things in the east.

 

[barhaich]

Amazing essay, subliminal meaning.

 

[Wadaich]

Our Heros are your villans and vice versa

@ Hi Zionist Hindu
Have you ever wondered why all the highly educated moderate people in Pakistan are Zionist puppies and all the metric fail hate mongers are True patriots. No wonder everything in Pakistan is upside down. Good people are hated and bad ones are considered heroes.
Zaid Hamid Zindabad!!!
Mother Teresa Murdabad!!

I appreciate your courage by not hiding your identity. At least you are not one of the meanest creatures on this forum who are indians but pose as pakistani. I respect your courage. But keep in mind our heroes are your villains and vice versa. As a case in point "We take pride in Ghori you in Prithvi".

How our heroes Empowered by Eimaan crushed your heroes and obliterated them from the face of the earth.

So, whenever we exalt our heroes, I can feel your pain pertaining to 1000 years. I sympathize with you.