zeshaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: US national arrested in Peshawar for illegal stay

Supreme court should take strict actions against these illegal foreigners as these and govt. is exposing with every passing day.......:smashfreakB:

Agar yeh sab kuch SC say hee karwana hay too baqee kaam bhee ussee per hee choor doo,yeh qoomee aoor sobaee hakoomatain banay kee kia zaroorat hay.Naam nihad wazeeroon koo itnee ayashee karwanay kee kia zaroorat hay,baycharoon kee zindigiaan khatray main par jatti hain zimedaree sambhalitay hee,phir unkoo apnee jaan kee hifazatkay liay BULITPROOF garean bamaa driver aoor muhafizoon kay chahiay hoti hay,kaam wooh aik pai naheen kartay aoor unkay akhrajat aasmanoon koo choo rahay hotay hain.

Sabb say pehlay in (rehman malik,Babar aiwan) say yeh poocha jaay keh 3 saal pehlay jahan inkee bb maree gai thee yeh wahan say bhagay kion thay,aorr hakoomat milnay kay baad inn hee koo kion wazer e dakhila aoor wazere qanoon lagaya gayya.
aoor 3 saal tatt muhtarma kay foon BILAWAL HOUSE main kion daba kar rakhay gaay.
Aoor badshah koo kiss silsalay main aoor kiss nay mara/marwaya.
Awaam kay liay inkay pass zara sa waqat nahee hota,aoor tqreeroon aoor press confarensoon kay liay inkay paas bay tahasha waqt hota hay,aoor mulko qoom kay mufad main wahan per koi batt naheen kartay magar apnay mufaad kay liay aik doosaray per ilzam tarashhee har waqt karna inka roze kaa maamool ban chukka hay.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Now it is clear US removed Musharraf as he was not allowing CIA operatives with free hand within Pakistan

There are lots of Zia fans too . same as some fans of Ayub Khan.

Is this good way to enter in the army , rise up to General rank , attack on the elected PM , promise with the nation , keep on revising these false promises , and prolonging the tenure.

Suspend Law and Constitution , impose emergency, Marshal Law, Punishing severely the elites , like with lashes, and police sticks....and did no progress and works for people.

Rule for unlimited time , untill they were either killed or thrown out by the people.

The change of Mush was same as Husni Mubarak , or Zain was thrown out of their country. Could not go back.

Definitely , there are few few people , in the favor of Husni Mubarak still . like Adnanvia , spartacus.

Still people like Faron . This the symbol of distance from Quranic Knowledge and facts. .....

Better not to waste time with them.
 

lovely_pk

Banned
Re: Now it is clear US removed Musharraf as he was not allowing CIA operatives with free hand within Pakistan

PPP sei bara gadar koi aur party hamarei mulk mei nahe hoi saktei.... we knew they were sold before going into election but we still voted for them. It is not that they are culprit but it is us who give them a chance again and again.

I think PPP changed their philosphy after the Murder of Bhutto and they realized that " Ager Jeena hai toi America sei Pangai nahe lei nai and Jo woi kahei giye wo sach hai" and this what is happening now !!!!!!
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Raymond Davis Case: Who Failed - ISI or CIA?

I think the ISI has either colluded with or failed to prevent so many contact CIA employees (read XE/Blackwater) from getting into Pakistan. They say they were tailing Ray. D so that means they knew who he was and what his assignment was. They would also know of the CIA safe house where he was staying with his 4 buddies. Yet no action has been taken against anyone. I havent heard of any US citizens of the same ilk being given the boot even after this saga. Im sure the ISI knows there are a lot more of these guys out there. So why havent they issued a persona non grata order and kicked these bast*rds out yet?
If you say they arent aware of such people that means the ISI has failed.
If you say the ISI knows but cant do anything, then they have still failed.
 

Truth_Hurts

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Now it is clear US removed Musharraf as he was not allowing CIA operatives with free hand within Pakistan

Short memory? People of Pakistan kicked Musharaf out. Did you forget the long march already? Lawyers movement?

Pakistan people cannot untie on the imam of mosque, and your telling me they kicked musharraf out because of long march.. are you kidding me, everything happens because there is someone triggering for it, a bullet leaves the barrel because someone has pressed the trigger, so my friend people of pakistan are just actors, the game is being played by usa, nawaz, zardari, and mullahs... i think the best party to lead pakistan is colition between imran khan, musharraf and mqm.
i tell you why...
imran khan is honest but has no idea how to run the government or deal with politics and thus changes his stance on different things often.
Musharraf knows how to run the government and deal the outside world, but he need someone who can also look after the little things that goes on within the country.
MQM is a party with honest people who are not corrupt and came from middle class families and are still middle class, they know how it feels to live on minimum wage..

All togather they can be a strong group.. without eachother they can never come in power so... lets wait and see what happens in the future.
 

arslan4u

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Now it is clear US removed Musharraf as he was not allowing CIA operatives with free hand within Pakistan

Pakistan people cannot untie on the imam of mosque, and your telling me they kicked musharraf out because of long march.. are you kidding me, everything happens because there is someone triggering for it, a bullet leaves the barrel because someone has pressed the trigger, so my friend people of pakistan are just actors, the game is being played by usa, nawaz, zardari, and mullahs... i think the best party to lead pakistan is colition between imran khan, musharraf and mqm.
i tell you why...
imran khan is honest but has no idea how to run the government or deal with politics and thus changes his stance on different things often.
Musharraf knows how to run the government and deal the outside world, but he need someone who can also look after the little things that goes on within the country.
MQM is a party with honest people who are not corrupt and came from middle class families and are still middle class, they know how it feels to live on minimum wage..

All togather they can be a strong group.. without eachother they can never come in power so... lets wait and see what happens in the future.
"imran khan is honest but has no idea how to run the government"
How did you conclude this? Did you interview him about his plans to run government? Have you even seen his interviews he has given over the last 3 years?
 

Urooj_lbw

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Now it is clear US removed Musharraf as he was not allowing CIA operatives with free hand within Pakistan

i want people like u, jiee Musharraf, silent supporters of Musharraf are waiting for election, time will prove inshAlah, after all people should not be so dumbo that they select the same corrupt jaageerdars waderaas from Sindh and Punjab, u know suger price for example has been 25 to 30 RS per KG through out until 2008 , so what happened after 2008, Nawaz and Zardari Sugar Maafia has done the damage, kahan gia ghareeb, bewaquuf bana gai, sugar stock karke 2 months me aane waale elections ke lie peese side pe karlie , awaam jahil abhi bhi naare maar rahi he
Love you Mushraf. Lion of Pakistan.
 

Salik

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Raymond Davis Case: Who Failed - ISI or CIA?

I think the ISI has either colluded with or failed to prevent so many contact CIA employees (read XE/Blackwater) from getting into Pakistan. They say they were tailing Ray. D so that means they knew who he was and what his assignment was. They would also know of the CIA safe house where he was staying with his 4 buddies. Yet no action has been taken against anyone. I havent heard of any US citizens of the same ilk being given the boot even after this saga. Im sure the ISI knows there are a lot more of these guys out there. So why havent they issued a persona non grata order and kicked these bast*rds out yet?
If you say they arent aware of such people that means the ISI has failed.
If you say the ISI knows but cant do anything, then they have still failed.

What can ISI do if these people are in the country with full agreement of the sitting govt???

If there woudnt have been the public pressure... they would have sent RD back with garlands and he would have received a hero's welcome in the US?

May be Zardari is considering him for another Nishan e Pakistan...
 

adnan_younus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Now it is clear US removed Musharraf as he was not allowing CIA operatives with free hand within Pakistan

I didnt say against TTP ; i said against alqaeda operatives .... TTP is pakistans internal problem... alqaeda and haqqani group afpak problem...
ISI is not sure who is behind TTP "may be indian agencies or CIA or any other force", but ISI is with CIA to fight against TTP, does it make sense.
 

adnan_younus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Raymond Davis Case: Who Failed - ISI or CIA?

its a failure of PPP governmentwho bypassed ISI and gave visas without their poermision...stop maligning ISI and the army.. they are the sole reasons pakistan is still surviving... otehrwise politicians dnt have the capacity to run the whole country.. they can only run patches
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Raymond Davis Case: Who Failed - ISI or CIA?

What can ISI do if these people are in the country with full agreement of the sitting govt???

If there woudnt have been the public pressure... they would have sent RD back with garlands and he would have received a hero's welcome in the US?

May be Zardari is considering him for another Nishan e Pakistan...

The ISI is media savvy and has many media personnel and outlets on its payroll. They could easily have made this a public issue to put pressure on the government. Secondly they could have arrested someone like RD and unmasked his activities infront of the public. This way even if they had to let go of that person due to immunity they could have argued that there are many more under their radar who need to be kicked out.
However they chose to sit by idly and let these people wander around.
Moreover If the ISI is such a law abiding, we-just-listen-to-the-bloody-civilian-government type institution they would have allowed themselves to be taken over by the Ministry of Interior.
 

Salik

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Raymond Davis Case: Who Failed - ISI or CIA?

its a failure of PPP governmentwho bypassed ISI and gave visas without their poermision...stop maligning ISI and the army.. they are the sole reasons pakistan is still surviving... otehrwise politicians dnt have the capacity to run the whole country.. they can only run patches

It is the continuation of the failure which started in Mush's time.... when he allowed the bloody CIA to establish their setup in the first place...
 

Salik

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Raymond Davis Case: Who Failed - ISI or CIA?

The ISI is media savvy and has many media personnel and outlets on its payroll. They could easily have made this a public issue to put pressure on the government. Secondly they could have arrested someone like RD and unmasked his activities infront of the public. This way even if they had to let go of that person due to immunity they could have argued that there are many more under their radar who need to be kicked out.
However they chose to sit by idly and let these people wander around.
Moreover If the ISI is such a law abiding, we-just-listen-to-the-bloody-civilian-government type institution they would have allowed themselves to be taken over by the Ministry of Interior.

Agreed .... to some extent though...

But secret organizations don't play this media stuff openly... because they are no more "secret" in that case...
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Raymond Davis Case: Who Failed - ISI or CIA?

Agreed .... to some extent though...

But secret organizations don't play this media stuff openly... because they are no more "secret" in that case...

They dont come out and say "We the ISI think that..." that is why they employ journalists and tv anchors to do their bidding. These guys just put up stories by saying 'a source told me'.
They had Zaid Hamid doing a good job but he was too mental for anyone normal to take him seriously.! :D
 

Salik

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Raymond Davis Case: Who Failed - ISI or CIA?

They had Zaid Hamid doing a good job but he was too mental for anyone normal to take him seriously.! :D

You might have to read some really bad comments from the fans of Zaid Hamid on these Gustakhana Kalimaat....
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Raymond Davis Case: Who Failed - ISI or CIA?

You might have to read some really bad comments from the fans of Zaid Hamid on these Gustakhana Kalimaat....


It wont be the first time! ;)
After all im a rafidi/takfiri/cia/mossad/raw/illuminati funded agent! :D
 

A.Ali.T

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Raymond PAK - AMERICA jang karana chahta tha - Russian Agency

Yaar itni choro kay banda lapait sakay. :) Kal tum kaho gay kay Pakistan mein jitnay bhi billi kuttay martay hain un kay peechay bhi Raymond Davis ka haath hai. Bhai ye sab ko pata hai kay wo CIA ka agent hai aur American interests kay liye kaam kar raha tha. Laiken exaggerate nahi karo.

"Pakistan aur America kay darmiyan khuli jang ho sakti hai"[hilar] Joke of the year. Bhai, American Pakistan pay itna dependant hai kay wo choon bhi nahi kar sakta warna Afghanistan America ka qabristaan ban jaiy ga. Aisay hi General Kiyani ka naam world's most powerful men mai nahi aaya tha.

"Wo AlQaeda ko nuclear material faraham kar raha tha". Another joke. Abey nuclear material koi shakar ya namak ka thaila nahi hai kay har aadmi jaib mein liye ghoom raha hai. Taliban aur AlQaeda nay nuclear material may goli bigho kay logon ko maarna tha???

dukelondon
Brother, before accepting or rejecting any any idea, do some research on the subject and educate yourself. Just a friendly advice
 

Abdali

Senator (1k+ posts)
The CIA's Killing Spree in Lahore

By Mike Whitney

February 24, 2011 Salon
-- When CIA-agent Raymond Davis gunned down two Pakistani civilians in broad daylight on a crowded street in Lahore, he probably never imagined that the entire Washington establishment would spring to his defense. But that's precisely what happened. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Mike Mullen, John Kerry, Leon Panetta and a number of other US bigwigs have all made appeals on Davis's behalf. None of these stalwart defenders of "the rule of law" have shown a speck of interest in justice for the victims or of even allowing the investigation to go forward so they could know what really happened. Oh, no. What Clinton and the rest want, is to see their man Davis packed onto the next plane to Langley so he can play shoot-'em-up someplace else in the world.

Does Clinton know that after Davis shot his victims 5 times in the back, he calmly strode back to his car, grabbed his camera, and photographed the dead bodies? Does she know that the two so-called "diplomats" who came to his rescue in a Land Rover (which killed a passerby) have been secretly spirited out of the country so they won't have to appear in court? Does she know that the families of the victims are now being threatened and attacked to keep them from testifying against Davis? Here's a clip from Thursday's edition of The Nation":

"Three armed men forcibly gave poisonous pills to Muhammad Sarwar, the uncle of Shumaila Kanwal, the widow of Fahim shot dead by Raymond Davis, after barging into his house in Rasool Nagar, Chak Jhumra.

Sarwar was rushed to Allied Hospital in critical condition where doctors were trying to save his life till early Thursday morning. The brother of Muhammad Sarwar told The Nation that three armed men forced their entry into the house after breaking the windowpane of one of the rooms. When they broke the glass, Muhammad Sarwar came out. The outlaws started beating him up.

The other family members, including women and children, coming out for his rescue, were taken hostage and beaten up. The three outlaws then took everyone hostage at gunpoint and forced poisonous pills down Sarwars throat." ("Shumailas uncle forced to take poisonous pills", The Nation)

Good show, Hillary. We're all about the rule of law in the good old USA.

But why all the intrigue and arm-twisting? Why has the State Department invoked the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations to make its case that Davis is entitled to diplomatic immunity? If Davis is innocent, then he has nothing to worry about, right? Why not let the trial go forward and stop reinforcing the widely-held belief that Davis is a vital cog in the US's clandestine operations in Pakistan?

The truth is that Davis had been photographing sensitive installations and madrassas for some time, the kind of intelligence gathering that spies do when scouting-out prospective targets. Also, he'd been in close contact with members of terrorist organizations, which suggests a link between the CIA and terrorist incidents in Pakistan. Here's an excerpt from Wednesday's The Express Tribune:

"His cell phone has revealed contacts with two ancillaries of al Qaeda in Pakistan, Tehreek-e-Taliban of Pakistan (TTP) and sectarian Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ), which has led to the public conclusion that he was behind terrorism committed against Pakistans security personnel and its people ....This will strike people as America in cahoots with the Taliban and al Qaeda against the state of Pakistan targeting, as one official opined, Pakistans nuclear installations." ("Raymond Davis: The plot thickens, The Express Tribune)

"Al Qaeda"? The CIA is working with "ancillaries of al Qaeda in Pakistan"? No wonder the US media has been keeping a wrap on this story for so long.

Naturally, most Pakistanis now believe that the US is colluding with terrorists to spread instability, weaken the state, and increase its power in the region. But isn't that America's M.O. everywhere?

Also, many people noticed that US drone attacks suddenly stopped as soon as Davis was arrested. Was that a coincidence? Not likely. Davis was probably getting coordinates from his new buddies in the tribal hinterland and then passing them along to the Pentagon. The drone bombings are extremely unpopular in Pakistan. More then 1400 people have been killed since August 2008, and most of them have been civilians.

And, there's more. This is from (Pakistan's) The Nation:

"A local lawyer has moved a petition in the court of Additional District and Sessions ... contending that the accused (Davis)... was preparing a map of sensitive places in Pakistan through the GPS system installed in his car. He added that mobile phone sims, lethal weapons, and videos camera were recovered from the murder accused on January 27, 2011." ("Davis mapped Pakistan targets court told", The Nation)

So, Davis's GPS chip was being used to identify targets for drone attacks in the tribal region. Most likely, he was being assisted on the other end by recruits or members of the Tehreek-e-Taliban.

A lot of extravagant claims have been made about what Davis was up to, much of which is probably just speculation. One report which appeared on ANI news service is particularly dire, but produces little evidence to support its claims. Here's an excerpt:

"Double murder-accused US official Raymond Davis has been found in possession of top-secret CIA documents, which point to him or the feared American Task Force 373 (TF373) operating in the region, providing Al-Qaeda terrorists with "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents," according to a report.

Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) is warning that the situation on the sub-continent has turned "grave" as it appears that open warfare is about to break out between Pakistan and the United States, The European Union Times reports.....The most ominous point in this SVR report is "Pakistan's ISI stating that top-secret CIA documents found in Davis's possession point to his, and/or TF373, providing to al Qaeda terrorists "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents", which they claim are to be used against the United States itself in order to ignite an all-out war in order to re-establish the West's hegemony over a Global economy that is warned is just months away from collapse," the paper added. ("CIA Spy Davis was giving nuclear bomb material to Al Qaeda, says report", ANI)

Although there's no way to prove that this is false, it seems like a bit of a stretch. But that doesn't mean that what Davis was up to shouldn't be taken seriously. Quite the contrary. If Davis was working with Tehreek-e-Taliban, (as alleged in many reports) then we can assume that the war on terror is basically a ruse to advance a broader imperial agenda. According to Sify News, the president of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari, believes this to be the case. Here's an excerpt:


"Zalmay Khalilzad, the former US envoy to Afghanistan, once brushed off Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardaris claim, that the US was arranging the (suicide) attacks by Pakistani Taliban inside his country, as madness, and was of the view that both Zardari and Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who believed in this US conspiracy theory, were dysfunctional leaders.

The account of Zardaris claim about the US hand in the attacks has been elaborately reproduced by US journalist Bob Woodward, on Page 116 of his famous book Obamas Wars, The News reported.

Woodwards account goes like this: One evening during the trilateral summit (in Washington, between Obama, Karzai and Zardari) Zardari had dinner with Zalmay Khalilzad, the 58-year-old former US ambassador to Afghanistan, Iraq and the UN, during the Bush presidency.

Zardari dropped his diplomatic guard. He suggested that one of the two countries was arranging the attacks by the Pakistani Taliban inside his country: India or the US. Zardari didnt think India could be that clever, but the US could. Karzai had told him the US was behind the attacks, confirming the claims made by the Pakistani ISI.

Mr President, Khalilzad said, what would we gain from doing this? You explain the logic to me.

This was a plot to destabilize Pakistan, Zardari hypothesized, so that the US could invade and seize its nuclear weapons. He could not explain the rapid expansion in violence otherwise. And the CIA had not pursued the leaders of the Pakistani Taliban, a group known as Tehreek-e-Taliban or TTP that had attacked the government. TTP was also blamed for the assassination of Zardaris wife, Benazir Bhutto. ("Pakistan President says CIA Involved in Plot to Destabilize Country and Seize Nukes", Sify News)

Zardari's claim will sound familiar to those who followed events in Iraq. Many people are convinced that the only rational explanation for the wave of bombings directed at civilians, was that the violence was caused by those groups who stood to gain from a civil war.

And who might that be?

Despite the Obama administration's efforts to derail the investigation, the case against Davis is going forward. Whether he is punished or not is irrelevant. This isn't about Davis anyway. It's a question of whether the US is working hand-in-hand with the very organizations that it publicly condemns in order to advance its global agenda. If that's the case, then the war on terror is a fraud.
 

Abdali

Senator (1k+ posts)
More Dead Pakistanis Killed By American Terrorist.

Extrajudicial Killing:: US Kills 6 People In Pakistan: The officials said three missiles slammed into the house, killing four people. Two people were killed in the strike on the car. They did not identify the victims.Mbaarraak hoo Pakistanis..Coward slaves.​
 

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