انڈیا اور پاکستان میں جہالت کی فصل کاٹنے کا وقت ا پونھچا

[PIND-WALA]

The world has changed alot in those 2 centuries. Our standard of living and life expectancy has gone up exponentially.

I dont think you are aware of this but let me put it into perspective. Today you can have whatever you want, milk, eggs, meat, different kinds of fruits. 200 years ago if you are lucky you can have 2 kinds of food or 3 if you are very lucky. Today you can eat like kings did 200 years ago.

This system might collapse but it is the best one man kind has seen until today.

All this progress is nice story but at what cost ? Earth temp has gone up in last 50 years resulting in extreme weather all over the globe, ice melting and raising the sea level etc etc .

 

[Sonya Khan]

When you are comparing one backward State (Caliphate) with other backward states (Europe during its dark ages). Then sure it looks like Muslims were very advance.

But if you compare it to the living standards we have today... The average person has a better living standard than any of the 4 caliphs themselves.

Our school systems badly exaggerate the caliphates. Its an euphoria just like Communism. We have studies to prove that it doesnt work, but there are still people who have hopes and keep repeating the same mistakes and miserably failing. Religion doesnt work. Period.

How dare you call Caliphate a backward state...... Only backward state in the world is Hindustan and it will remain till eternity..... For us Muslims it is the rule of Allah written in Quran and Hadith that is supreme and will remain so.... Whenever Muslims waiver from this rule like having interest based economy, no severe punishments , no speedy justice and no true welfare society, we falter.......Islam has taught us everything, it’s upon us to follow it fully to have Falah........

 

[Vitamin_C]

40% of Jews are secular in Israel. And majority of Ashkenazi jews are secular.

There is a difference between Jewish isentity and Jewish religion. A perso can be born to a Jewish mother, identify as a Jew but be an athiest at the same time.

In Israel you can eat pork even though the status pig in Judaism is worse than in Islam. Educate yourself a bit before commenting please as id rather have an educated argument than teach you common sense.

How JEWS Die hard religious people are controlling the world.

When Muslims were following the ideology of Islam, they were progressing, reached every corners of the world, produces scientist, made innovations, made wealth abolished poverty and so on..
We all know the reasons of downfall.
Don't drag religion in your biased argument.

 

[Vitamin_C]

You can cherry pick negatives in almost everything that does not discredit the argument: Entire achievement of mankind of last 100,000 years on one side, and 200 years of achievents from 1800 on the other side.

The advances in medicine, agriculture, productivity has been unprecedented, we will also find a way to solve global warming issue.

All this progress is nice story but at what cost ? Earth temp has gone up in last 50 years resulting in extreme weather all over the globe, ice melting and raising the sea level etc etc .

 

[Vitamin_C]

Compared to modern democracy, capitalism and secular morality. Yes it was extremely backward.

Unless you would like to live in a state with 35 years life expectancy, chopping off limbs for petty theft, stoning to death for adultury and legalize buying and selling of human beings.

We dont have those in Pakistan anymore because the influence of secularism. None of you have any idea what it is like to live under sharia and trust me, you dont want to know so dont be an idiot.

How dare you call Caliphate a backward state...... Only backward state in the world is Hindustan and it will remain till eternity..... For us Muslims it is the rule of Allah written in Quran and Hadith that is supreme and will remain so.... Whenever Muslims waiver from this rule like having interest based economy, no severe punishments , no speedy justice and no true welfare society, we falter.......Islam has taught us everything, it’s upon us to follow it fully to have Falah........

 

[Vitamin_C]

I dodnt bring in 700ad to the argument someone else did and I agree its not a fair comparison as I have already stated society & culture has advanced significantly since then so they are obviously going to be backward compared to what we have today.

Saudi, UAE, Kuwait, Oman are oil rich gulf countries. I mean you know it yourself that their prosperity has little to do with any other variables other than oil...? Why even mention then?

Il let you have Malaysia and Turkey but ill also point out that they are among the most secular of the Muslim nation. I mean modern turkey was made as a secular country by Atta Turk.

Plus there are dozen other countries behind it that are extremely poor.

Again, life expectancy had nothing to do with religion. Its stupid to put the blame of low life expectancy on religion. 1400 years ago life expectancy was low even in areas where religion was not practiced. No connection with religion. Plus why are you comparing living standards from two different eras? of course they are going to be different. A person considered rich 1400 years ago is not going to have the same amount of wealth as the richest person of the modern times. Same goes for states. You are judging history on today's standards. That is unfair. If the whole population of a state was able to get 2 meals a day 1400 years ago, that is better than today where 60% can afford 3 meals and the rest cannot afford even 1. The menu of the meals is irrelevant.
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Oman, Malaysia, Turkey, all of them cannot be outliers. Too many outliers here.
Human progress with time adds things on menu and in life. That is regardless of the practice of religion. The ability of a system is judged on the basis of how the facilities available at the time are distributed among the people, specially the less privileged. And in this regard, modern states are no doubt rich or super rich, yet wealth is divided unequally and the gap is increasing with every passing day.

 

[thinking]

India sitting on Volcano.. Just need give one Teeli..then fire spread all over India...India don't have much Army who can care a big land and population Country..Only China managed her population matter very well..China didn't fight a single war almost many decades..They only focused on economy..Now China stand where it ready for a war with US or with India..and that's I am seeing near future.. Logically after got economy strength.. China need little war to divert peoples towards more nationalism.. sacrifices...

 

[Sonya Khan]

Compared to modern democracy, capitalism and sexular morality. Yes it was extremely backward.

Unless you would like to live in a state with 35 years life expectancy, chopping off limbs for petty theft, stoning to death for adultury and legalize buying and selling of human beings.

We dont have those in Pakistan anymore because the influence of secularism. None of you have any idea what it is like to live under sharia and trust me, you dont want to know so dont be an idiot.

Now that you have called yourself a Pakistani and have claimed to know Sharia..... can you elaborate what do you mean by Sharia in first place??? BTW the arguments you have given r used by dumb Indians so try something factual.......

 

[pkpatriot]

40% of Jews are secular in Israel. And majority of Ashkenazi jews are secular.

There is a difference between Jewish isentity and Jewish religion. A perso can be born to a Jewish mother, identify as a Jew but be an athiest at the same time.

In Israel you can eat pork even though the status pig in Judaism is worse than in Islam. Educate yourself a bit before commenting please as id rather have an educated argument than teach you common sense.

Your argument is as genius as you. You are suffering imposture syndrome, you can't be wrong. All your posts are shouting I am right I am right I am right. Cool down bro, its just youropinion.

Dont dare to write Zionism, Zionist on google.

But you don't need to educate yourself. Keep saying I m right I m right like u r saying in all your posts.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Well I am not always right, and I appreciate it when people correct me when I am wrong. But when you say Jewish control the world, and try to connect that with religion. Its a very ignorant thing to say.

Jewish religion as I have already stated is different from Jewish Identity. You can be Jewish and an atheist. Infact, Jews are the least religious group in the world.

Most Jews are secular, this includes Sephardic jews.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/jews-least-observant-int-l-poll-finds-1.5287579

Your argument is as genius as you. You are suffering imposture syndrome, you can't be wrong. All your posts are shouting I am right I am right I am right. Cool down bro, its just youropinion.

Dont dare to write Zionism, Zionist on google.

But you don't need to educate yourself. Keep saying I m right I m right like u r saying in all your posts.

 

[Vitamin_C]

It is a religious law based on teachings of Muhammad in Quran, Sunnah, Qiyas and Ijma. The sum of which makes this law inconsistent with Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Now that you have called yourself a Pakistani and have claimed to know Sharia..... can you elaborate what do you mean by Sharia in first place??? BTW the arguments you have given r used by dumb Indians so try something factual.......

 

[Sonya Khan]

It is a religious law based on teachings of Muhammad in Quran, Sunnah, Qiyas and Ijma. The sum of which makes this law inconsistent with Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

The way you have written name of our Prophet PBUH without Darood shows you a lowlife scum of an Indian who is so ashamed of his nationality that he has taken a cover .... Enough said , I won’t give you even an iota of respect by discussing my religion with you..... Keep on killing people for eating beef and live in your bubble of human rights when you even take the right to live away from dalits when they drink water from a community well.......

 

[pkpatriot]

Well I am not always right, and I appreciate it when people correct me when I am wrong. But when you say Jewish control the world, and try to connect that with religion. Its a very ignorant thing to say.

Jewish religion as I have already stated is different from Jewish Identity. You can be Jewish and an atheist. Infact, Jews are the least religious group in the world.

Most Jews are secular, this includes Sephardic jews.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/jews-least-observant-int-l-poll-finds-1.5287579

Do you know the Palestine issue, anyways leave it. You don't wanna understand because your problem is not Jews. The bigger umbrella of your debate is , "Religion is a hurdle in the way of prosperity."
And you just don't wanna understand that its your point of view.
I can understand even bigger prospect of your argument.
I just wanna tell you that giving rights to the minorities and tolerance is part of our religion and we don't need to pretend to be secular or atheist for that.

Be happy.

 

[Vitamin_C]

You cannot have tolerance and equality in a country in which you give favoured status to one religion/ethnicity. It is as backward as saying whites are superior to blacks.

Muslims are not equal citizens in India and Ahmedis are not equal citizens in Pakistan. But in Canada everyone is equal under the law. This is why secularism is superior.

Do you know the Palestine issue, anyways leave it. You don't wanna understand because your problem is not Jews. The bigger umbrella of your debate is , "Religion is a hurdle in the way of prosperity."
And you just don't wanna understand that its your point of view.
I can understand even bigger prospect of your argument.
I just wanna tell you that giving rights to the minorities and tolerance is part of our religion and we don't need to pretend to be secular or atheist for that.

Be happy.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Not everyone in Pakistan shares your religious beliefs so learn to be tolerant of others.

The way you have written name of our Prophet PBUH without Darood shows you a lowlife scum of an Indian who is so ashamed of his nationality that he has taken a cover .... Enough said , I won’t give you even an iota of respect by discussing my religion with you..... Keep on killing people for eating beef and live in your bubble of human rights when you even take the right to live away from dalits when they drink water from a community well.......

 

[Sonya Khan]

Not everyone in Pakistan shares your religious beliefs so learn to be tolerant of others.

Wrong ..... Pakistan was made in the name of Islam ........ We never hide behind secular status..... You need to teach tolerance to India where secularism is trumpeted but actually Hindu Bakhts r making life miserable for everyone , even the low cast Hindus as well.......

 

[Vitamin_C]

Then take the white out of the flag if it was only made for Muslims. Your obviously not shy about your bigotry.

Wrong ..... Pakistan was made in the name of Islam ........ We never hide behind secular status..... You need to teach tolerance to India where secularism is trumpeted but actually Hindu Bakhts r making life miserable for everyone , even the low cast Hindus as well.......

 

[Sonya Khan]

Then take the white out of the flag if it was only made for Muslims. Your obviously not shy about your bigotry.

Don’t need a dictation from an Indian what to do.....Teach India to end bigotry and make the flag all saffron or stop killing Kashmiris and Muslims ....

 

[Vitamin_C]

Are you a retard? I am not an Indian and anyone who has been on this forum for over 8 years knows that.

If I dont share your belief it doesnt make me an Indian. Stop being a bigot and learn to tolerate people who hold beliefs that are different than yours.

Don’t need a dictation from an Indian what to do.....Teach India to end bigotry and make the flag all saffron or stop killing Kashmiris and Muslims ....

 

[Sonya Khan]

Are you a retard? I am not an Indian and anyone who has been on this forum for over 8 years knows that.

If I dont share your belief it doesnt make me an Indian. Stop being a bigot and learn to tolerate people who hold beliefs that are different than yours.

You r calling me a retard and then you preach tolerance???? ....... You attack our religion and then preach tolerance???? ........ You may disguise yourself but your writings smell of hatred towards Islam and Pakistan...... Lastly you may call me bigot but it’s actually u who can’t tolerate Islam , Sharia Law and Pakistan ...... Indian ......