Zaid Hamid furious over Nawaz Sharif's statement on Two-Nations Theory

[ASQR1]

All i can say is that :2 Nation theory failed in 1947 itself when more than 1/3rd muslims decided to stay in their motherland!!

With creation of bangladesh;it was dumped into iggy bin of dhakha !!So much hypothetic brotherhood ->World saw killing and raping of millions of bangladeshi muslims!!


Why should not we close this farce thread?

Zahil hamid should stop living in mystified jinnah pakistan which was short lived,bogus and hoax!!

Jinnah pakistan is no more :( .....nor did his full blood daughter want to live in land of feudal landlords,zagirdars........

shame shame you mentioned about raping, I told not to lie but keep lieing, your own researchers have conclusively said it was a big lie.n stop now or else.

You need to read a book by "Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War" s

And stop insulting our greats, If i started u would run away crying, because I will tell the truth about Mr. Nehru having illicit relations with lords wife. So stop and be wise. I can also being out things about Mr. Gandhi

 

[mrasif80]

1. Check Ferdousy Priyabhashini in this article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13034953 She is a living victim of rape by Pakistani soldiers in 1971.
2. Read Hamod Ur Rahman report it is published in India although Pakistanis have never published it because it shows the Army's role in Bangladesh.
3. Watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwPbkyZVJo&playnext=1&list=PLD9A756B6A8A961FA

I would say Pakistan needs an Army which is really for Pakistan. It must not be doing whatever it has been doing in last 65 years. The concept of army for me is not bad, the role of army that has been performed so far is very sorrowful. Also I again say that I don't want to discuss the Army furthermore.

And you have failed to prove that arranging a meeting with IG of Kim is a security breach. Also do read the Lucman Mubbashir exposing article.

 

[mrasif80]

Actually it is shameful for us that Mohan Tiwari is joking about us. We should correct ourselves we can't stop him joking about us. He is telling you the truth about yourself and you are not willing to accept the truth. This is the biggest wrong in us.

 

[only_truths]

you are wrong again Mr. so sure. All Pakistanis want peace, but it must be based on truth, honor, ground reality and mutual respect. And therefore let us start with freeing Kashmir to start with and go from there.

Solving Kashmir will not end Indo-pak animosity. Since Pakistan is still stuck with the beginning of the problem (Kashmir), others haven.t surfaced. The river issue is waiting in line. India has forgotten about two nation theory and believe that Pakistan is here to stay. Two nation theory is alive now only Pakistani mindset. Otherwise how one can explain that even after starting all the wars between Indo-Pak so far, still Pakistan feels they are threatened by India?

 

[warsalan]

Again u r not seeing the true picture my friend, It is the duty of Leader, the political leader to fix and control Army, judiciary, civil services, and the police and the country, every thing, If a leader cannot do it than he is not a Leader, stop saying Army arrested and than did this and did that, please learn how a country is run, it is run by a leader, not by any one else, so stop putting blame and see if Leader is leading, do not say that police did this, Army did this, arrested this arrested that,

If it is what you say than It is a failure of Leadership, As a leader if he saw that Army or Police or judiciary or anyone else doing something wrong, he the leader must use his power, finesse,or smarts to fix the problem and not say he did this, or he did that.

I am not up to Favor Nawaz or any Political or Military Person because un due favoring them will make me answerable to Allah beside the person concerned. I only analyze the issue,s in the light of Sharia and in unbiased manner. What most Pakistanis are doing completely reverse if for Bhutto, Benazir, Nawaz ,Mushraaf Zardari ,Imran Khan,Altaf, etc and make them self Shakhsiaat Parsaat. Mean,s SHIRK .That what is happening in Pakistan is clear evidence of Azzab e Allahie. I never favored Nawaz but analyze 1998,1999 in light of true fact,s.
And about Failure of leader ship than it has be on the part of COAS ,s as well, because they are equally responsible of any unsuccessful adventure which were even forcefully declined by the person,s who planned and fought war against USSR and succeed it.
Actually You are supporting that Morally Corrupt and Traitor Musharaaf,as a Leader, who over throw the govt on a ridiculously ill planned hijack drama. No one in Pakistan ever calculated the issue but just bullshits, when that flight from Colombo was actually due at Karachi ? and the time Nawaz was arrested by Maj Gen Orakazai when that plane was over Indian Ocean. How that so called hijack drama took place.

I have nothing more to say.

 

[ASQR1]

Actually it is shameful for us that Mohan Tiwari is joking about us. We should correct ourselves we can't stop him joking about us. He is telling you the truth about yourself and you are not willing to accept the truth. This is the biggest wrong in us.

R U kidding me when yiou say that Mohan Tiwari is making fun of us, Have you not been reading my answers, From being an uninformed prude he is now learning things that are enlightening corners in his brains that he did know existed.

Ae u sure u r Pakistani Muslim, I have proved him wrong on everything he held very dear to him, are U really Pakistani. On his ignorance about Aryans race, on his ignorance about all Other matrs he brings up, I have proved him wrong.

About IG U R again asking questions that are so deprived of colon sense. Man o man, Y as a opposition leader do not arrange meeting with any one of your country's officials because their action so far have been anti Pakistan and they are killing Pakistanis in their country and they are sending their secret service to do the same in Pakistan and when you did not answer their very vital question asked which may risk our security than they ask these question to those that you refer to, the refereed person might answer the question u left out thinking that you have refereed this person so I should answer the questions, IG might give away some answer that may be vital for a leader not to answer.

 

[ASQR1]

I am not up to Favor Nawaz or any Political or Military Person because un due favoring them will make me answerable to Allah beside the person concerned. I only analyze the issue,s in the light of Sharia and in unbiased manner. What most Pakistanis are doing completely reverse if for Bhutto, Benazir, Nawaz ,Mushraaf Zardari ,Imran Khan,Altaf, etc and make them self Shakhsiaat Parsaat. Mean,s SHIRK .That what is happening in Pakistan is clear evidence of Azzab e Allahie. I never favored Nawaz but analyze 1998,1999 in light of true fact,s.
And about Failure of leader ship than it has be on the part of COAS ,s as well, because they are equally responsible of any unsuccessful adventure which were even forcefully declined by the person,s who planned and fought war against USSR and succeed it.
Actually You are supporting that Morally Corrupt and Traitor Musharaaf,as a Leader, who over throw the govt on a ridiculously ill planned hijack drama. No one in Pakistan ever calculated the issue but just bullshits, when that flight from Colombo was actually due at Karachi ? and the time Nawaz was arrested by Maj Gen Orakazai when that plane was over Indian Ocean. How that so called hijack drama took place.

I have nothing more to say.

As u mentioned COAS and it is right, but do you not remember who was COAS at the time that Kargil happened, it was Musharraf who had set up Pak. Army to hold and encircle Indian Army in Kargil, it was known to NS but he refused to acknowledge it when he got pressure from Clinton, what he should have said that Kashmir is a Disputed territoy and we want to you to ask U.N or you our best friend to solve it, not give in right away to the demands of Clinton.

NS should have told Clinton that we will continue to fight as it is disputed territory till we win it or Till U.N. decides to settle it once for all.

the drama that you talk about did not start from Colombo, it started from china, to make it short COAS had gone for consultation to China about Kargil and NS did not know it but fired him when he was comming back.

Now I am going to write something very serious because I heard it with my own ears here in Toronto. I heard on an Indian program a tape played by this Indian anchor in which I could hear the voice the of Mushraf talking to his commander about Kargil. I was taken a back and thought that Indian Secret service is so smart that they have the tape of our Gen. conversion about Kargil.


But alas it was not true that the conversion tape was that of Gen. Musharraf but Indian did not get it NS or his Military secrtory gave it to India. I was embarrassed and ashamed, I heard it with my own ears. believe me.

 

[ASQR1]

Solving Kashmir will not end Indo-pak animosity. Since Pakistan is still stuck with the beginning of the problem (Kashmir), others haven.t surfaced. The river issue is waiting in line. India has forgotten about two nation theory and believe that Pakistan is here to stay. Two nation theory is alive now only Pakistani mindset. Otherwise how one can explain that even after starting all the wars between Indo-Pak so far, still Pakistan feels they are threatened by India?

Where in my post did i say two Nation theory, Read my post and than answer, let me repeat. We want Kashmir problem solved, u say Indian has forgotten about it than WHY INDIA HAS 500,000 bullies stationed in Kashmir killing innocent Kashmiris. where in the word you see 500,000 soldiers stationed in a province of a country in the world killing their own people.

In fact thy are not your people, if they were, you would have never killed 80,000 and still counting so far.

About water your country like many other pacts does not stick to the pacts, it your habit to go back on all the pacts and promises and that is why Mr. Jinnah got frustrated and asked for Pakistan, remember he was in congress party in the beginning.

 

[khanpanni]

can you elaborate a little what kind of change you're expecting when Imran khan become in Power?:lol:

I am not PMLN suppoter. Of course I follow Quaid-e-Azams speeches and 2 nations theory and my

best support is for genuine modern leader Imran Khan . This will be 3rd new alliance of different groups
and people ?

 

[mrasif80]

R U kidding me when yiou say that Mohan Tiwari is making fun of us, Have you not been reading my answers, From being an uninformed prude he is now learning things that are enlightening corners in his brains that he did know existed.

Ae u sure u r Pakistani Muslim, I have proved him wrong on everything he held very dear to him, are U really Pakistani. On his ignorance about Aryans race, on his ignorance about all Other matrs he brings up, I have proved him wrong.

About IG U R again asking questions that are so deprived of colon sense. Man o man, Y as a opposition leader do not arrange meeting with any one of your country's officials because their action so far have been anti Pakistan and they are killing Pakistanis in their country and they are sending their secret service to do the same in Pakistan and when you did not answer their very vital question asked which may risk our security than they ask these question to those that you refer to, the refereed person might answer the question u left out thinking that you have refereed this person so I should answer the questions, IG might give away some answer that may be vital for a leader not to answer.

There is no material only text in your response. All that you have said about IG and Kim is just production of your mind like a story writer not the established fact. You have failed again to prove that the meeting was indeed a security breach.

 

[warsalan]

Again ridiculous base less and sentimental , i heard this i heard that and i saw that.
How Pakistan encircled Indian army,? a childish and silly thing to say, you are like Musharaaf living in a fools Paradise.Where are the ground fact,s of the battle field of Kargil and strategic position of both the armies when snow start melting down in Early May. And what was the recommendations of the Pak Air Chief and DDG ISI Gen Jamshed Gulzar Kiyani to PM Nawaz in late May.

About hijack drama i do,nt know what Musharaaf was doing i referred the so called hijacked plane,s shaduled landing time at Karachi and Nawaz arrest time in Islamabad , all these facts are available in the anti terrorist court,s trail in Karachi in which Nawaz sentenced life in imprisonment.

Hazrat Mohammad SAW was a Leader and Commander in the battle field.

Go and watch views of Gen jamshaed gulzar kiyani,(DDG ISI at that time) Gen shahid aziz, Gen shoaib amjad , and Gen hameed gull on kargil debacle, most of them are available on internet.
No more because ignorant ,s can not be convinced.

As u mentioned COAS and it is right, but do you not remember who was COAS at the time that Kargil happened, it was Musharraf who had set up Pak. Army to hold and encircle Indian Army in Kargil, it was known to NS but he refused to acknowledge it when he got pressure from Clinton, what he should have said that Kashmir is a Disputed territoy and we want to you to ask U.N or you our best friend to solve it, not give in right away to the demands of Clinton.

NS should have told Clinton that we will continue to fight as it is disputed territory till we win it or Till U.N. decides to settle it once for all.

the drama that you talk about did not start from Colombo, it started from china, to make it short COAS had gone for consultation to China about Kargil and NS did not know it but fired him when he was comming back.

Now I am going to write something very serious because I heard it with my own ears here in Toronto. I heard on an Indian program a tape played by this Indian anchor in which I could hear the voice the of Mushraf talking to his commander about Kargil. I was taken a back and thought that Indian Secret service is so smart that they have the tape of our Gen. conversion about Kargil.


But alas it was true that the conversion tape was that of Gen. Musharraf but Indian did not get it NS or his Military secrtory gave it to India. I was embarrassed and ashamed, I heard it with my own ears. believe me.

 

[ASQR1]

There is no material only text in your response. All that you have said about IG and Kim is just production of your mind like a story writer not the established fact. You have failed again to prove that the meeting was indeed a security breach.

common sense man U.S. govt is doing what it is doing, to Pakistanis it is clear but to you it is not so you are either a foreign agent and have no clue as to what goes on in Pakistan, there it looks as if a planned and systemic try to undermine Pakistan, so be ware and stand on guard and do not give any info to any U.S. citizen you never know who they are, that will not will you that they are spies so be ware

U remember the story of Raymond Davis.

U remember the Bombay attacks squarely blamed on Pakistan NS acceptiong the attacker as Pakistani, but latest revalation tells a different story. so here it is for your info.

Now read and listen to the videos and be enlightened.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_36.htm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6960182.ece

http://911blogger.com/node/18691

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/T9FCMH3538L0O9CT3

http://redactednews.blogspot.com/2010/03/cia-involvement-in-mumbais-false-flag.html

In Kargil it was not to encircle but to stop supplies to the Indian Army fighting Siachan, do not put your word in my posts.

 

[mrasif80]

common sense man U.S. govt is doing what it is doing, to Pakistanis it is clear but to you it is not so you are either a foreign agent and have no clue as to what goes on in Pakistan.

U remember the story of Raymond Davis.

U remember the Bombay attacks squarely blamed on Pakistan NS acceptiong the attacker as Pakistani, but latest revalation tells a different story. so here it is for your info.

Now read and listen to the videos and be enlightened.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_36.htm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6960182.ece

http://911blogger.com/node/18691

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/pakistan/T9FCMH3538L0O9CT3

http://redactednews.blogspot.com/2010/03/cia-involvement-in-mumbais-false-flag.html

Still it does not prove the meeting between Kim and IG was a security breach. Secondly will you please like to tell your age? Mine is 30.

I remember Raymond Davis and there your agencies were involved in his release.

NS did not accept that he is Pakistani, give me the exact extract from wikileaks about what NS said about Ajmal Kasab, otherwise I will give you the exact extract from wikileaks. You are actually putting here what has been painted by the media, not the exact extract from wikileaks. So give the actual evidence.

All else is irrelevant. The talk was about NS doing a security breach by arranging meeting between IG and Kim which looks to me totally wrong and baseless propaganda and you have still failed to prove it was indeed a security breach by any means. So change your mind and from today don't believe on any anchor and use your own mind. Ask your mind whether it was a security breach after putting yourself as just a human not a Pakistani.

Also its only production of your mind that I am an agent. Which means your mind is unable to think rationale and it is immature and not open to accept the facts.

I am unable to understand one thing you have quoted my previous reply and in your message you have put these links which are absolutely irrelevant to the mutual discussion between two of us. You are perhaps trying to accuse NS of accepting Ajmal Kasab as Pakistani but you have put all the links where it is somehow being established that Mumbai attacks were designed by USA. So where do you prove that NS has actually accused Ajmal Kasab of being Pakistani. Secondly what do you have in your mind whether Ajmal Kasab is Pakistani or not? And also what do you know about whether Pakistani government has accepted Ajmal Kasab as Pakistani or not?

Thanks.

 

[ASQR1]

Still it does not prove the meeting between Kim and IG was a security breach. Secondly will you please like to tell your age? Mine is 30.

I remember Raymond Davis and there your agencies were involved in his release.

NS did not accept that he is Pakistani, give me the exact extract from wikileaks about what NS said about Ajmal Kasab, otherwise I will give you the exact extract from wikileaks. You are actually putting here what has been painted by the media, not the exact extract from wikileaks. So give the actual evidence.

All else is irrelevant. The talk was about NS doing a security breach by arranging meeting between IG and Kim which looks to me totally wrong and baseless propaganda and you have still failed to prove it was indeed a security breach by any means. So change your mind and from today don't believe on any anchor and use your own mind. Ask your mind whether it was a security breach after putting yourself as just a human not a Pakistani.

Also its only production of your mind that I am an agent. Which means your mind is unable to think rationale and it is immature and not open to accept the facts. Thanks.

Do not give info to anyone or anybody and do not pass those who ask questions to military, or police or civil service, they are trained to ask questions that reveals all kind of secrets about a country, can u not get it, i cannot understand wehy are you so Naive or so adamant about NS passing this lady on to IG.

Do not pass any body to any body. Ask for the questions to be asked in advance and get the answers from your aids and give them those, do not pass them on to others. A good leader will not pass inquirer on to others. do you ever see U.S. president passing the inquirer to others, he answers himself on each and every occasion. Cupish

 

[mrasif80]

Do not give info to anyone or anybody and do not pass those who ask questions to military, or police or civil service, they are trained to ask questions that reveals all kind of secrets about a country, can u not get it, i cannot understand wehy are you so Naive or so adamant about NS passing this lady on to IG.

Do not pass any body to any body. Ask for the questions to be asked in advance and get the answers from your aids and give them those, do not pass them on to others. A good leader will not pass inquirer on to others. do you ever see U.S. president passing the inquirer to others, he answers himself on each and every occasion. Cupish

Very funny. IG is not a person who is working covertly. Everyone knows about him and his contact and everyone from the journalists contacts these officials. He does not work as a secret agent like the CIA chief in Pakistan. He holds a public office. NS telling of this lady that let me refer you to the right person who can answer your questions is absolutely no security breach. Do you think that Kim would have gone to IG and asked about something and IG would have given all answers to her knowing that she is referred by NS. Are you mad?

Still its not proved that NS did a security breach by referring Kim to IG. If indeed IG passed on any info that he would not have passed to her still the IG could be held responsible for what he did but NS could not be held responsible. If you have any sense then you can understand this. If you are so much convinced that you are right then go to the court. Then I am sure if the court will reject you and penalize you on putting a funny case still you will start blaming the court.

Open up your mind and grow up. Leave this childish thinking. I am sure with time you will get mature.

Yes if you have any proof that there was some confidential information and NS pressurized the IG to give that confidential information to the KIM then indeed that falls into security breach all else is your thinking and wrong thinking not the correct thinking so start thinking correctly.

 

[ASQR1]

Very funny. IG is not a person who is working covertly. Everyone knows about him and his contact and everyone from the journalists contacts these officials. He does not work as a secret agent like the CIA chief in Pakistan. He holds a public office. NS telling of this lady that let me refer you to the right person who can answer your questions is absolutely no security breach. Do you think that Kim would have gone to IG and asked about something and IG would have given all answers to her knowing that she is referred by NS. Are you mad?

Still its not proved that NS did a security breach by referring Kim to IG. If indeed IG passed on any info that he would not have passed to her still the IG could be held responsible for what he did but NS could not be held responsible. If you have any sense then you can understand this. If you are so much convinced that you are right then go to the court. Then I am sure if the court will reject you and penalize you on putting a funny case still you will start blaming the court.

Open up your mind and grow up. Leave this childish thinking. I am sure with time you will get mature.

Yes if you have any proof that there was some confidential information and NS pressurized the IG to give that confidential information to the KIM then indeed that falls into security breach all else is your thinking and wrong thinking not the correct thinking so start thinking correctly.

I am fed up with you, Mr. why would a foreigner want to talk to an IG who has no responsibly other than being a police chief, what possibly she want with a local police chief. NS should say to her that i will answer all your questions, what is it that you want why refer her to police IG who is in-charge of police, he has nothing to do with foreign jounalists and he has nothing to advise anyone, why refer her to police chief. he is a Police chief. why to refer a foreign journalist to a police chief. very strange.

Tell you smart guy what she want to talk a police officer who running local police. Is she going to advise, train him or what

 

[warsalan]

Very funny. IG is not a person who is working covertly. Everyone knows about him and his contact and everyone from the journalists contacts these officials. He does not work as a secret agent like the CIA chief in Pakistan. He holds a public office. NS telling of this lady that let me refer you to the right person who can answer your questions is absolutely no security breach. Do you think that Kim would have gone to IG and asked about something and IG would have given all answers to her knowing that she is referred by NS. Are you mad?

Still its not proved that NS did a security breach by referring Kim to IG. If indeed IG passed on any info that he would not have passed to her still the IG could be held responsible for what he did but NS could not be held responsible. If you have any sense then you can understand this. If you are so much convinced that you are right then go to the court. Then I am sure if the court will reject you and penalize you on putting a funny case still you will start blaming the court.

Open up your mind and grow up. Leave this childish thinking. I am sure with time you will get mature.

Yes if you have any proof that there was some confidential information and NS pressurized the IG to give that confidential information to the KIM then indeed that falls into security breach all else is your thinking and wrong thinking not the correct thinking so start thinking correctly.

No he do,not have any Proof just this and that.Why Only Kim Barker, why not Book of General Anthony Zinni, s of USA Central Command ,about Musharaff thing and Kargil Drama. Gen Colin Powell,s book about Musharaff,s 9/11 U turn. And Lot more books on we can discuss about Imran Khan, Altaf Hussain, Benazir Zardari

Although i do,not care about the western writers and their remarks but looks to me that Kim Barker is some kind of a sufia ,and hold a high esteem on her each and every word and Pakistanis regards her as a Peerni. As this debate is going on for nothing so i just add my post.

 

[mrasif80]

I am fed up with you, Mr. why would a foreigner want to talk to an IG who has no responsibly other than being a police chief, what possibly she want with a local police chief. NS should say to her that i will answer all your questions, what is it that you want why refer her to police IG who is in-charge of police, he has nothing to do with foreign jounalists and he has nothing to advise anyone, why refer her to police chief. he is a Police chief. why to refer a foreign journalist to a police chief. very strange.

Tell you smart guy what she want to talk a police officer who running local police. Is she going to advise, train him or what

The more appropriate thinking in your mind should be, why Kim was issued a visa and why she was allowed to go anywhere in Pakistan and meet anyone. :) Your arguments are very funny actually. Is there any law which restricts a foreign person to meet anyone inside Pakistan. You look very immature actually.

Tell me why Musharraf met Bush? You can see Bush might have got secret info from Musharraf. Why USA ambassador meet our Army Chief?

 

[rashiid]

Just Shut Up ShameLess Nawaz Shareef

[h=1]Just Shut Up ShameLess Nawaz Shareef [/h]

Nawaz Sharif says,
Only a line divides Pakistan and India else we are one.
The Treachery and betrayals by the political leadership continues! By Allah, we swear to defend this Pak Sarzameen on all fronts! It is time to reclaim Pakistan from these traitors. Enough of demon-cracy!!!


Time to reclaim Pakistan from treacherous opportunists!


Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rzT3o8DIAw&feature=player_embedded

 

[mrasif80]

If he has said this then whats wrong. Being a human being we are indeed one.