Uncommon tongue: Pakistan's confusing move to Urdu

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Uncommon tongue: Pakistan's confusing move to Urdu

By M Ilyas KhanBBC News, Islamabad

12 September 2015

While many nations are adopting English, Pakistan is going the opposite way, with the Supreme Court ruling for it to be replaced with Urdu as the official language.


Urdu is beautiful, vastly expressive, and the medium of some of the most powerful literature generated in the Indian sub-continent over the last two or three centuries.

It is spoken by many in Pakistan, especially in the main urban centres.

But there is no region in Pakistan which can be categorised as originally Urdu-speaking.

And Urdu has also been a victim of the early rulers' controversial desire to thrust administrative, political and linguistic uniformity over the country's local cultures, causing political alienation.

Many believe the seeds of secession in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) were sown when Pakistan's founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah announced in 1948 that Urdu alone would be the state language of Pakistan, though East Pakistan could use Bengali as its provincial language.

East Pakistan, which was home to a majority of the Pakistani population who had hoped Bengali would become the second state language after Urdu, seceded in 1971.

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Pakistan's founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah caused divisions when he picked Urdu as the state language


Some in Pakistan view the current Supreme Court judgement as the continuation of that policy.

An ethnic Pashtun tweeter calling himself Durandline (the name for the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan) recently tweeted that "Urdu is not the language of majority, still it is the national language of Pakistan. Even in linguistics, minority is imposed on majority."

Naina Baloch tweeted: "Urdu is the language of Mohajirs (refugees from India) and this does not make sense that a country adopts the language of refugees as its national language."

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English is used even in Pakistan's remote northern regions

Pakistan's many languages

English and Urdu are not even the most common first languages in Pakistan, despite their official adoption.

  • 48% speak Punjabi, mainly in eastern Punjab province
  • 12% speak Sindhi, mainly in south eastern Sindh province
  • 10% speak Saraiki, a variant of Punjabi
  • 8% speak Pashto, in west and north western Pakisan
  • 8% speak Urdu
  • 3% speak Balochi, mainly in Balochistan
  • English is the most popular among government ministries

There are numerous other languages spoken by minorities in the population, including Brahui, Burushaski and Hindko.

Source: CIA Factbook



Many others see the move as likely to undermine major investment in English medium education during the last few decades.

"It's not like the 1960s or '70s when knowledge of English language used to be the preserve of a small class of political and business elite," says Wasim Ahmad Shah, the Peshawar-based legal affairs correspondent of Dawn newspaper.


"Nearly every village in Pakistan has at least one privately run English medium school these days, and there is a proliferation of English language material in print and on electronic media."


Professor Ijaz Khan, who heads Peshawar University's International Relations department, says over-emphasis on Urdu may erode this progress and take the country in a direction "180 degrees opposite to that of the rest of the world", which is increasingly using English as their lingua franca.

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"God bless you", written in Urdu - the language is a favourite among poets

"It will curtail the motivation to learn English, and in the long-run cause disconnect between us and the rest of the world, both politically and economically," he says.


There are also questions over whether an efficient switch-over would be possible.

"There are millions of pages of laws and statutes, court rulings, legal commentaries and digests which lawyers use to formulate their cases," says Mohammad Haroon, a senior lawyer who practices at the Nowshera district courts in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) province.

"I don't see any administrative capacity to build suitable Urdu vocabulary, translate all material and knock new jargon into our heads all in a generation's time," he says.

'Prostitute' pun

Since the 1990s, successive governments have set up institutions to research and create technical Urdu terms for use in the five main fields, namely government, administration, judiciary, military and education.

In 2005, the head of the National Language Promotion Department (NLPD), Prof Fateh Mohammad Malik, "reported that there was enough vocabulary to shift all government from English to Urdu if desired," writes Dr Tariq Rehman, a Lahore-based linguist and academic, in a recent newspaper column.

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There are fears that the move to Urdu could affect teaching practices

The problem is that since most Pakistanis are not Urdu speakers, many Urdu terms that meant one thing in northern India, the home of Urdu language, would mean quite another in Pakistan.


When a religious alliance, Muttahidda Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), came to power in KP in 2002, they decided to draw on NLPD's diction to Urduise, and thereby Islamise, the provincial administration.


They were "in power for five years, but Urdu went nowhere further than causing a lot of confusion in office work, and turning terminologies into jokes," says Ismail Khan, resident editor of Dawn newspaper in Peshawar.



For example, the term "office circular" is known to all and sundry, but its rendition in Urdu,
G-A-S-H-T-I marasala, not only sounded strange, it created room for ridicule.

"The word '******', which literally means 'on the move', or roaming about, is often taken to mean a prostitute in these parts," he explains.


Likewise, an official from Kabul, where office work is conducted in Pashto and Persian, used the term "Star Munshi" for a Pakistani chief secretary.


The chief secretary, whose designation means he is the top bureaucrat of a province, was furious, recalls Ismail Khan.


The reason: while Munshi in India or Kabul may mean a respectable official, in Pakistan it is mostly understood to mean a lowly cashier or clerk of a ration depot or a brick kiln.


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The red-and-blue sign in Urdu at this checkpoint spells "stop" instead of the Urdu word "ruko", suggesting that "stop" is part of the local vocabulary



KP dropped Urdu as the official language towards the end of MMA rule.


Professor Ijaz Khan points out that national language mattered in the world of the 1960s and 1970s because nation states were asserting their individuality at that time, which is not the case now.


"English is not a colonial language any more, it is the lingua franca of the world."


But the urge for cultural uniformity can still find takers, and so can dissent.


A tweeter, Wajahat, fended off trollers by asserting: "Suggesting that English should remain the (official) language instead of Urdu doesn't mean I'm a traitor or I suck up to the West."

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(The censored word was G-A-S-H-T-I marasala. It means Office circular in Urdu.)
 
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Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Note that the 8% Urdu speaker figure is based on the population of West Pakistan. If you add the total population of Bengal to the equation when this controversial decision was taken back then it was less than 5%.
 

Shahid Abassi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Thanks God Urdu is our national language. If they had listened to these pathetic arguments and chosen Bengali or Punjabi (later) as majority languages and imposed them as national languages in present day Pakistan, our ethnic issues could have been far more deeper and bloodier. Just imagin if East Pakistan was any how seceded in 1971, then now that slogan of "Punjab ruling us" could have destroyed it all with Punjabi being the majority language.

Actually, urdu has a little opposition being the natioal language, only becuse it was not a language of any of the 4 or 5 major ethnic Groups.

Only urdu could fit in the demands of a national lanuage because no other language (including bengali, punabi ) had developed as languages good enough to fullfil the requirement. Urdu was also an unofficial national language of undivided India and was a refined form of Hidustani which was widely spoken in every corner of Hindustan. No other language in entire India had litrature, poetry or enough vocabelary to stand a test of being considerd a developed language. Even India had no other choice but to adopt Urdu with amendment by adding sansikrit to it and then calling it Hindi.

My argument is about a choice among the local languages which were available in 1947. About English, I would say, urdu and English need to run side by side, but English should not be imposed on students who choose a subject or line which has enough (on a competetive scale) available litrature in Urdu.
 
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Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
When I say Urdu was not the right choice, I am not saying it is a Mohajir conspiracy. I grew up in Karachi and I know that if anything, Mohajir people in Pakistan are one of the most powerless and destitute. They do not control the politics, they do not control the military and establishment. Having Urdu as a language does not let Punjab elite wash their blood red hands on the backs of Mohajir people. There are nationalist movements in Balochistan, KPK and Sindh. The reason why Sindhi are not speaking out because PPP is a federalist party since the last 3 decades.
The logic is very simple, if you give people their rights they will not protest, if you take away the rights of people and then make Urdu the national language and point all fingers towards Urdu speaking and say look they are it. Doesnt mean that people will be blinded and not see that Pakhtun people are divided in 3 units FATA, KPK and Balochistan, while Punjab is in one unit and bits and pieces of Baloch areas, Pakhtun areas, DGK, Saraiki belt, Bhawalpur etc are included in Punjab as one unit.
Dont you think there is a reason behind "Punjab is ruling us"? Or is it just out of thin air?

Thanks God Urdu is our national language. If they had listened to these pathetic arguments and chosen Bengali or Punjabi (later) as majority languages and imposed them as national languages in present day Pakistan, our ethnic issues could have been far more deeper and bloodier. Just imagin if East Pakistan was any how seceded in 1971, then now that slogan of "Punjab ruling us" could have destroyed it all with Punjabi being the majority language.

Actually, urdu has a little opposition being the natioal language, only becuse it was not a language of any of the 4 or 5 major ethnic Groups.

Only urdu could fit in the demands of a national lanuage because no other language (including bengali, punabi ) had developed as languages good enough to fullfil the requirement. Urdu was also an unofficial national language of undivided India and was a refined form of Hidustani which was widely spoken in every corner of Hindustan. No other language in entire India had litrature, poetry or enough vocabelary to stand a test of being considerd a developed language. Even India had no other choice but to adopt Urdu with amendment by adding sansikrit to it and then calling it Hindi.

My argument is about a choice among the local languages which were available in 1947. About English, I would say, urdu and English need to run side by side, but English should not be imposed on students who choose a subject or line which has enough (on a competetive scale) available litrature in Urdu.
 

Sphere Manisfest

Senator (1k+ posts)
Brilliant article. Vitamin C, it looks like you are the original writer under pseudonym of Ilyas Khan :)
Though the topic is ;ately a non-issue but on the scale of rightful future policy, it is a vital issue. I am for English. Netherlands, Ireland, 2 non-English speaking countries have adopted English and are progressing hugely. I ve' seen in Amsterdam and Hague local people speaking and preferring English over Dutch. Germany is adopting English in a big way in response to its hugely growing export economy.

The writer is so right that adoting Urdu as official language is a total shift opposite to progress. Imagine C++ and iOS in Urdu. It reminded me of Economics.
Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility = Qanoon-e-Taqleel-e-Afada Mukhtatam
Law of Equi Marginal Utility - Qanoon-e-Musawi Afada Mukhtatam

Lolz. Why confusing the already uneducated mass. Adopt a technology language and go ahead with progress. I hope no one will give example of China. Piracy and cheap labor gave the breakthroughs. Or either we adopt this way.
 

Shahid Abassi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It is indeed out of thin air, at least to a large extent. If you talk of prosperity, punjab has been the most prosperous in whole of undivided India for last two centuries. People of Punjab have always been more hard working than at least Sindhies. At least history says so. Until late 60s, 46% of sindhi cultivateable lands were lying vacant and they started getting cultivated only when punjabies moved to Sindh and bought these lands. But the major difference to punjab was made in early 70s when about 5 million of them migrated to the middle East and the West. Just imagine, today out of 18 billion remittances 12 billion every year are pouring in to privat household of punjab. Do you know the multiplication effect of Money? This 12 billion USD (1250 billion rupee EVERY year when get spent in markets, how many business flourish, and then suppliers to those business and so on.. This is the biggest reason of their prosperity if someone analyses it without bias. At least you being in Canada, must know what 12 billion USD in remittances "every year" mean for any area in a developing country.

Do you know that even in our Karachi, 44% of the manufacturing buiness' are owned by Punjabies? Karachi contributes 59% to Pakistan's GDP, not because we Mohjirs are such good businessmen, but because whole of Pakistan's money man comes with his money here because it is the only port city from where t is easy to export or easy to get the raw material without incurring transport costs. And lastly because politician of Sindh has been the most corrupt, in last 6 years since 18th amendment,now provinces have total control over their funds. But look at punjab spending and then look at PPP spending in Karachi and rest of the Sindh. Even don't forget that violence in Karachi has moved about 80.000 jobs to Bangladesh and Malaysia.
This is the truth if one is not biased and not ethnically driven.

Talking about Military being from Punjab, Actually 35% of the military is Pashtun. Secondly, whoes fault is this? Sindhies, Mohajers and Balochies were never interested in it. Mohajers are in majority in navy because they went for it. There is no quota in military only if we apply for it. Lastly, Punjab is majority population so they should be in relative majority too. Similarly according to my analysis we Mohajirs are a Little more representation in federal bureacracy than 15%. We have a lower than population representation in Sindh bureaucracy.

All in all it won't help to blame others for our own lackings. We are lucky to be gotten placed in the industrial heart of the country. We need to get rid of violence and corruption, at least in our own ranks. No one has destroyed our chances more than MQM, which possibly was the only party of middle class, only if they had not gone with blood and the bloody money, they could have ruled the country. Just imagin where Karachi could have been with keeping those moved out 80000 jobs and many more which could have come in last 20 years if Karachi ha stayed calm and peaceful.

Very last thing, Mohajers can easily control politics. They just need to go with a main stream party. Why do sharifs spend half of punjabs budget in Lahore alone? Because they get a cluster of seats in Lahore, right? Was there a main stream party winning in Karachi as MLN does in Lahore, that party could make Karachi a paradise.
Even a sophisticated party having a crismatic mohajir leader could easily win punjab. If punjab can vote for Sindhi Z.Bhutto, Soharwardi, Zardari and Benazir then why can't they vote for a real good clean Mohajer leader? I believe, Punjab is the only people who would vote for any one whom they trust, irrespective of ethnecity. Though Musharaf was a dictator, 70% punjabies supported him (a mohajir) when he threw NS government in 98-99.



When I say Urdu was not the right choice, I am not saying it is a Mohajir conspiracy. I grew up in Karachi and I know that if anything, Mohajir people in Pakistan are one of the most powerless and destitute. They do not control the politics, they do not control the military and establishment. Having Urdu as a language does not let Punjab elite wash their blood red hands on the backs of Mohajir people. There are nationalist movements in Balochistan, KPK and Sindh. The reason why Sindhi are not speaking out because PPP is a federalist party since the last 3 decades.
The logic is very simple, if you give people their rights they will not protest, if you take away the rights of people and then make Urdu the national language and point all fingers towards Urdu speaking and say look they are it. Doesnt mean that people will be blinded and not see that Pakhtun people are divided in 3 units FATA, KPK and Balochistan, while Punjab is in one unit and bits and pieces of Baloch areas, Pakhtun areas, DGK, Saraiki belt, Bhawalpur etc are included in Punjab as one unit.
Dont you think there is a reason behind "Punjab is ruling us"? Or is it just out of thin air?
 
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atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
this that, yes no
کرنے سے انگلش نہیں آتی، کم از کم انگلش اخبار پڑھ کر سمجھ آئے تب بات ہے

سنگ میل پر لکھی انجان عبارت مقامی لوگوں کو کم ہی سمجھ آتی ہے
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You ignored the issues I pointed out.
Before when Bengalis were part of Pakistan, since they were majority we wanted the system to be based on land area. Now that Punjab is in majority you are keen to point it out do you think this is justice? I am still waiting for you to address what I pointed out about why Punjab is in majority and why is Bhawalpur still part of Punjab while Pakhtuns are in 3 pieces? Then after that we can discuss where you got the 35% figure.
 

غزالی

MPA (400+ posts)
Brilliant article. Vitamin C, it looks like you are the original writer under pseudonym of Ilyas Khan :)
Though the topic is ;ately a non-issue but on the scale of rightful future policy, it is a vital issue. I am for English. Netherlands, Ireland, 2 non-English speaking countries have adopted English and are progressing hugely. I ve' seen in Amsterdam and Hague local people speaking and preferring English over Dutch. Germany is adopting English in a big way in response to its hugely growing export economy.

The writer is so right that adoting Urdu as official language is a total shift opposite to progress. Imagine C++ and iOS in Urdu. It reminded me of Economics.
Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility = Qanoon-e-Taqleel-e-Afada Mukhtatam
Law of Equi Marginal Utility - Qanoon-e-Musawi Afada Mukhtatam

Lolz. Why confusing the already uneducated mass. Adopt a technology language and go ahead with progress. I hope no one will give example of China. Piracy and cheap labor gave the breakthroughs. Or either we adopt this way.

جرمنی اور ہالینڈ میں ان کی اپنی زبانوں پر انگریزی سے زیادہ توجہ دی جاتی ہے، انگریزی کو ان کی قیمت پر نہیں اپنایا جا رہا
جرمنی اور ہالینڈ جیسے ممالک میں ایک اضافی بین الاقوامی زبان کی سرپرستی ان ممالک کی ترقی کی حکمتِ عملی کا حصہ ہوتی ہے جبکہ پاکستان جیسے ممالک میں انگریزی کو ایک استعماری اور استحصالی حربے (ٹول) کے طور پر بھی استعمال کیا جاتا ان طبقوں کی طرف سے جن کا ملکی وسائل پر قبضہ ہے
ویسے یہ بات بالکل بھی واضح نہیں ہو پارہی، نہ اس تھریڈ پر اور نہ دوسرے ملتے جلتے تھریڈ پر، کہ یہ بحث اٹھانے کا مقصد کیا ہے؟ اردو یا کسی بھی اجنبی یا غیر علاقائی یا ایک اقلیت کی زبان کے مسلط کئے جانے کی افادیت یا عدم افادیت کی پرکھ کا پیمانہ کیا ہے یا ہونا چاہیے
پہلے وہ پیمانہ طے کرلیں پھر یہ بحث اچھی بھی لگے گی ورنہ ایک بے فائدہ دانشورانہ مشق یا وقت کے زیاں کے علاوہ اس سے کچھ بھی حاصؒ ہوتا نظر نہیں آرہا
 

غزالی

MPA (400+ posts)
When I say Urdu was not the right choice, I am not saying it is a Mohajir conspiracy. I grew up in Karachi and I know that if anything, Mohajir people in Pakistan are one of the most powerless and destitute. They do not control the politics, they do not control the military and establishment. Having Urdu as a language does not let Punjab elite wash their blood red hands on the backs of Mohajir people. There are nationalist movements in Balochistan, KPK and Sindh. The reason why Sindhi are not speaking out because PPP is a federalist party since the last 3 decades.
The logic is very simple, if you give people their rights they will not protest, if you take away the rights of people and then make Urdu the national language and point all fingers towards Urdu speaking and say look they are it. Doesnt mean that people will be blinded and not see that Pakhtun people are divided in 3 units FATA, KPK and Balochistan, while Punjab is in one unit and bits and pieces of Baloch areas, Pakhtun areas, DGK, Saraiki belt, Bhawalpur etc are included in Punjab as one unit.
Dont you think there is a reason behind "Punjab is ruling us"? Or is it just out of thin air?

When we indulge in real analysis, I think we need to dig a little deeper. Otherwise we run the risk of comparing apples with oranges and ending up with wrong conclusions. On a national/general scale, your inference may hold some water.

However, Pak culturally is a pluralistic society. There are vested interests within the vested interests (in this case ethnic groups/entities).

It was not ordinary mohajir or Urdu speaker who instituted what Urdu has become but the UP-dominated intelligentsia and/or their dominance within the inherited bureaucracy.
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Since Supreme court has declared Urdu as official language, it has become a pain in the neck of the ruling elite and pseudo intellectuals whose only qualification sometimes becomes English language. They are going mad.....and "their madness is not without method" while 85% of the citizens of Pakistan speak and understand Urdu. In almost all parts of the Pakistan Urdu is a lingua franca. Therefore, Urdu is the only language which qualifies to be the official language of Pakistan.

To cut the things short:

1. If we must adopt the "language of technology" as official language to progress; then why didn't China, Japan, Korea, & Russia adopt it?
2. When Greek was the "language of technology" why did Arabs translate the "language of technology" into Arabic? And during "Dark Ages" of the West when the "language of technology" was Arabic why did the West translate the books/literature into English or into their regional languages?
3. Urdu is undisputed second language across Pakistan, if not a native or first one.
4. Leaving few chains of school for ruling elite minority in big cities, 95% primary and secondary schools are Urdu medium.
5. If one learns/grasps/understands concepts/theories/scientific facts in local languages nothing can hinder research and development.
6. To share knowledge with the rest of the world one can learn as much English/German/Russian/Japanese/Chinese as is required.
7. Urdu language holds treasure of religion, morality, history, and culture; the enemy is hell bent to destroy it along with its manuscript. A typical attack of the enemies to destroy the nations.
8. Adopting Urdu as official language opens doors of power corridors for poor masses whose only disqualification turns out to be week English in competitive exams. It will also increase literacy level as majority of students at Matric/BA level fail in English and leave education and become slaves of the children of ruling elite whose only superiority factor turns out to be command over English language.
9. With change of language comes the change of heroes which brings a mental anarchy and turns nations into bunch of directionless moron; our desi English ruling elite has succeeded to turn Pakistan into a chaotic nation.
10. For a progressive language assimilating/digesting/adopting foreign language words/terminologies is a must. Being a "Lashkri Language" it is crowning trait of Urdu. We need not translate each and every foreign word into Urdu. The terminologies and words which are used by Urdu speakers are not part of Urdu; for example "ہوٹل، بریک، ریستوران وغیرہ ". If someone has objection; he/she may check an authentic English dictionary and find out the "Root" of the words now termed as English.

..........................We must not deprive 95% of the masses from their right to progress and rule.
 
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Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This experiment was done in the time of Zia with disastrous results for students and teachers alike.
A sudden change never d bodes well in such matters of complex nature. But hey what the heck our Supreme court has made a decision and of all the decisions this is the one sharif brothers will choose to follow. Just another attempt to divert attention from serious matters.
So, like the fools we are let's debate this until the next Nandipoor!!
 

sngilani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Urdu is the national and one of the two official languages of Pakistan, along with English, and is spoken and understood throughout the country. In Pakistan Urdu is mostly learned as a second or a third language as nearly 93% of Pakistan's population has a native language other than Urdu. Despite this, Urdu was chosen as a token of unity and as a lingua franca so as not to give any native Pakistani language preference over the other. Urdu is therefore spoken and understood by the vast majority in some form or another, including a majority of urban dwellers.

There are between 60 and 70 million native speakers of Urdu: there were 52 million in India per the 2001 census, some 6% of the population; approximately 10 million in Pakistan or 7.57% per the 1998 census; and several hundred thousand in the United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia, United States, and Bangladesh (where it is called "Bihari"). However, a knowledge of Urdu allows one to speak with far more people than that, because Hindustani, of which Urdu is one variety, is the fourth most commonly spoken language in the world, after Mandarin, English, and Spanish. Because of the difficulty in distinguishing between Urdu and Hindi speakers in India and Pakistan, as well as estimating the number of people for whom Urdu is a second language, the estimated number of speakers of Urdu is huge.


People who speak urdu should be proud of it.
 
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Shahid Abassi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Why Bahawalpur is in Punjab: Similarly one can ask, why is Hazara in KPK. But let me give you some facts:-
(1) Majority population in Bahawalpur and Bahawalnagar districts are punjabies. In total there are 3 districts in state of BWP. The third is Rahim Yar Khan with 50% of its population being punjabi speakig.


Wikipedia says;-
-(a) "There is majority Punjabi population in five districts who identify themselves with north Punjab rather than South Punjab (Bahawalnagar, Bahawalpur, Vehari, Khanewal, Mianwali and Bhakkar)".

-(b) "In remaining four districts (of the proposed new province) Multan, Muzaffargarh, Layyah, Lodhran nearly 75% population is Majhi dialect of Punjabi speaking who objected to creation of a separate province based on linguistic criteria".



(2) Sriaki is broadly been considered a dialect of punjabi in older days, thats why most Sriaki litrature has always been taken as punjabi litrature, even by sikhs and even before partition . Examples are baba Farid shakr ganj's poetry, Khawaja Ghulam Farid and Sultan bahu.

(3) There has never been a popular demand for a seperate province in Bahawalpur. A talk about it ony came when ppp used it as a political stunt in their last tenur. If one or two so called activists kept the issue live, one must know that non of those ever could even win a councilors seat for local government. In today's scenario not a singe MPA or MNA from Bwp support a seperat province.

I would surely support a Sriaki province but I am sure if a referendum is conducted in the area, it will be give 75% wishing to stay in Punjab. Let me tell you only reason I want punjab be divided in two provinces is to satisfy those who think punjab is too big and powerful and not because people of any area of punjab want a seperat province.

WHY PASHTUN DIVIDED IN 3

It is nothing done by present day Pakistan. At partition, tribes of FATA chose to be part of Pakistan on the condition that they will not be a part of NWFP (KPK) and the Pakistani criminal laws will not apply in those areas. They wished to keep their traditional Laws of tribal life. It was a condition which Quaid-e-Azam accepted. So they stayed a federally administerated tribal area and the Laws which apply there are called FCR (frontier crimes regulation). You must know Pakistani Supreme Court has no jurisdiction there in criminal cases. Please also know that pre partiton, FATA was not a part of KPK (NEFP) either.

Now Pashtuns in Balochistan:

Present territory of Balochistan is marked to hundreds of years back but ofcourse with a part of it being in Iran now. Balochistan has not taken any pashtun area or population in to it but rather the pushtun population in Balochistan are invaders. When Ahmad Shah Abdali invaded Qalat, a lot of Afghani pashtuns moved and settled in Balochistan just as Pannis, Tarins and Kakar tribes had done earlier. Markation of Balochistan is much older than 1947. Just as if Punjabies tomorrow become a majority in Ghotaki of Sindh which lies on (Sindh-punjab border) does not justify Ghotaki being added to Punjab, in the same way you can't ask Balochies to give away those areas with Pashtun population to KPK. Although interestingly, seperatist baloches are now asking for dividing Balochistan in two parts as balochi state and a pashtun province in pashtun areas.

I hope, I have made a bit of difference in your understanding of ethnic issue.

Take care and stay blessed.

You ignored the issues I pointed out.
Before when Bengalis were part of Pakistan, since they were majority we wanted the system to be based on land area. Now that Punjab is in majority you are keen to point it out do you think this is justice? I am still waiting for you to address what I pointed out about why Punjab is in majority and why is Bhawalpur still part of Punjab while Pakhtuns are in 3 pieces? Then after that we can discuss where you got the 35% figure.
 
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shami11

Minister (2k+ posts)
By M Ilyas Khan
BBC News, Islamabad

While many nations are adopting English, Pakistan is going the opposite way, with the Supreme Court ruling for it to be replaced with Urdu as the official language.

Urdu is beautiful, vastly expressive, and the medium of some of the most powerful literature generated in the Indian sub-continent over the last two or three centuries.
It is spoken by many in Pakistan, especially in the main urban centres.
But there is no region in Pakistan which can be categorised as originally Urdu-speaking.
And Urdu has also been a victim of the early rulers' controversial desire to thrust administrative, political and linguistic uniformity over the country's local cultures, causing political alienation.
Many believe the seeds of secession in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) were sown when Pakistan's founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah announced in 1948 that Urdu alone would be the state language of Pakistan, though East Pakistan could use Bengali as its provincial language.
East Pakistan, which was home to a majority of the Pakistani population who had hoped Bengali would become the second state language after Urdu, seceded in 1971.

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Pakistan's founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah caused divisions when he picked Urdu as the state language

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Newspapers in multiple languages can be found at stands in PakistanSome in Pakistan view the current Supreme Court judgement as the continuation of that policy.

An ethnic Pashtun tweeter calling himself Durandline (the name for the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan) recently tweeted that "Urdu is not the language of majority, still it is the national language of Pakistan. Even in linguistics, minority is imposed on majority."
Naina Baloch tweeted: "Urdu is the language of Mohajirs (refugees from India) and this does not make sense that a country adopts the language of refugees as its national language."

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English is used even in Pakistan's remote northern regions



Pakistan's many languages

English and Urdu are not even the most common first languages in Pakistan, despite their official adoption.


  • 48% speak Punjabi, mainly in eastern Punjab province
  • 12% speak Sindhi, mainly in south eastern Sindh province
  • 10% speak Saraiki, a variant of Punjabi
  • 8% speak Pashto, in west and north western Pakistan
  • 8% speak Urdu
  • 3% speak Balochi, mainly in Balochistan
  • English is the most popular among government ministries
There are numerous other languages spoken by minorities in the population, including Brahui, Burushaski and Hindko.
Source: CIA Factbook


Many others see the move as likely to undermine major investment in English medium education during the last few decades.
"It's not like the 1960s or '70s when knowledge of English language used to be the preserve of a small class of political and business elite," says Wasim Ahmad Shah, the Peshawar-based legal affairs correspondent of Dawn newspaper.
"Nearly every village in Pakistan has at least one privately run English medium school these days, and there is a proliferation of English language material in print and on electronic media."
Professor Ijaz Khan, who heads Peshawar University's International Relations department, says over-emphasis on Urdu may erode this progress and take the country in a direction "180 degrees opposite to that of the rest of the world", which is increasingly using English as their lingua franca.

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Image caption"God bless you", written in Urdu - the language is a favourite among poets"It will curtail the motivation to learn English, and in the long-run cause disconnect between us and the rest of the world, both politically and economically," he says.

There are also questions over whether an efficient switch-over would be possible.
"There are millions of pages of laws and statutes, court rulings, legal commentaries and digests which lawyers use to formulate their cases," says Mohammad Haroon, a senior lawyer who practices at the Nowshera district courts in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) province.
"I don't see any administrative capacity to build suitable Urdu vocabulary, translate all material and knock new jargon into our heads all in a generation's time," he says.'Prostitute' pun

Since the 1990s, successive governments have set up institutions to research and create technical Urdu terms for use in the five main fields, namely government, administration, judiciary, military and education.
In 2005, the head of the National Language Promotion Department (NLPD), Prof Fateh Mohammad Malik, "reported that there was enough vocabulary to shift all government from English to Urdu if desired," writes Dr Tariq Rehman, a Lahore-based linguist and academic, in a recent newspaper column.

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There are fears that the move to Urdu could affect teaching practicesThe problem is that since most Pakistanis are not Urdu speakers, many Urdu terms that meant one thing in northern India, the home of Urdu language, would mean quite another in Pakistan.
When a religious alliance, Muttahidda Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), came to power in KP in 2002, they decided to draw on NLPD's diction to Urduise, and thereby Islamise, the provincial administration.
They were "in power for five years, but Urdu went nowhere further than causing a lot of confusion in office work, and turning terminologies into jokes," says Ismail Khan, resident editor of Dawn newspaper in Peshawar.
For example, the term "office circular" is known to all and sundry, but its rendition in Urdu, ****** marasala, not only sounded strange, it created room for ridicule.
"The word '******', which literally means 'on the move', or roaming about, is often taken to mean a prostitute in these parts," he explains.
Likewise, an official from Kabul, where office work is conducted in Pashto and Persian, used the term "Star Munshi" for a Pakistani chief secretary.
The chief secretary, whose designation means he is the top bureaucrat of a province, was furious, recalls Ismail Khan.
The reason: while Munshi in India or Kabul may mean a respectable official, in Pakistan it is mostly understood to mean a lowly cashier or clerk of a ration depot or a brick kiln.
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The red-and-blue sign in Urdu at this checkpoint spells "stop" instead of the Urdu word "ruko", suggesting that "stop" is part of the local vocabularyKP dropped Urdu as the official language towards the end of MMA rule.
Professor Ijaz Khan points out that national language mattered in the world of the 1960s and 1970s because nation states were asserting their individuality at that time, which is not the case now.
"English is not a colonial language any more, it is the lingua franca of the world."
But the urge for cultural uniformity can still find takers, and so can dissent.
A tweeter, Wajahat, fended off trollers by asserting: "Suggesting that English should remain the (official) language instead of Urdu doesn't mean I'm a traitor or I suck up to the West."

 

Shahid Abassi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The supreme court did not say that English should be bolished as official and academic language. They are asking for Urdu should be used parallely. Any orders or circulars should also bee issued in Urdu. Giving importance to your national language and making things understandable for all has nothing to do with importance of English.


By M Ilyas Khan
BBC News, Islamabad

While many nations are adopting English, Pakistan is going the opposite way, with the Supreme Court ruling for it to be replaced with Urdu as the official language.


 

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