The Game Changer ( Baghi )
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This is Pakistani politics my friend!
Who cares about the past. Do you really think that we would be here if we had learned anything from our past. In Pakistan politics everyone's interest is best served by having a short term memory. Asghar Khan case is a thing of the past. In this crazy age of 24x7 news cycle we only care about sensationalizing the issue and short and sweet sound bites.
Some are afflicted with selective memory syndrome. They black out the past that may hurt their cause but remember the parts that would further their cause.
Like this guy recalls JH's golden past in the late 60s but he forgets to mention his dealings with Younus Habib's minion and him receiving sizable amount for a middle class guy to invest in business ventures which paid very well.
As I say in this land of the pure - inqilabi aur baghi sub jaali....
pakistani786
Minister (2k+ posts)
paisa kis ne diya thah ? Younas habib ne right.
He later denied ellegation.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-1...s-never-paid-Sharifs-any-Mehrangatesmoney-in-
He later denied ellegation.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-1...s-never-paid-Sharifs-any-Mehrangatesmoney-in-
JH humesha sacha tha. Jub wo pmln chor kar gaya jub bhi sacha tha. Jub usne pmln chori to pmln kay leaders aur karkun use rokney kay liye rootey huwey uski gari kay aagay lait gaey thay. Pmln chorney kay bawajood usay kisi pmln leader or karkun nay gali nahi di this. Yeh PTI hi ek aisi siyasi bankrupt party hai jo janey walon ko galiyan deti hai
Later denied [hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar] Kuoooon Govt ne pressure dala tha baaaaaaad mein
Waisey Nareendar Modi bhi bohat sacha aaaadmi hai. Waisey mein ne Javed Hashmi ko koi gaaali to nahin di. Look at my comments. [hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]
mr.car
MPA (400+ posts)
Islam ma kalifa hota ha. Wo be ak dictator hota ha. Kalifa marta dam tak leader ratha ha. Kuch bolna sa pala kuch soch be lya karo.
Mughal Badshah
MPA (400+ posts)
Agreed... Aur us ne Is NOORY KO assembly main galy aese lagaya jese bichra hua bacha apny baap se milta ha...... he was violence from start as he gave so many statements praising Nawaz sharif.
Cheeta Chaalbaaz
Banned
توجہ فرمائیں
مخدوم جاوید ہاشمی نے بورڈ آف اسٹبلشمنٹ کے تحت منعقدہ منتخب جمہوری حکومت گرانے کے امتحانات برائے سال دو ہزار چودہ کے لیے بنائے گئے تمام پرچے آؤٹ کردیے ہیں
اس لیئے بورڈ آف اسٹبلشمنٹ کے زیر اہتمام اسلام آباد سنٹر میں منعقد ہونے والے تمام امتحانات فوری طور پر تا اطلاع ثانی منسوخ کردئیے گئے ہیں
جلد ہی بورڈ آف اسٹبلشمنٹ منتخب جمہوری حکومت گرانے کے امتحانات کے نئے سرے سے تمام پرچے بنا کر امتحانات کی نئی تاریخ کا اعلان کرے گا
بورڈ آف اسٹبلشمنٹ نے اس واقعے پر شدید غم و غصے کا اظہار کیا ہے اور سیکریسی برانچ کے چیرمین چول خان کی نا اہلی پر اسے اسکے عہدے سے فارغ کرنے کا فیصلہ کیا ہے
بورڈ آف اسٹبلشمنٹ جاوید ہاشمی کے خلاف سخت تادیبی کاروائی کا ارادہ رکھتا ہے تاکہ آئندہ کوئی منتخب جمہوری حکومت گرانے کے امتحانات کے پرچے آؤٹ کرنے کی جرأت نہ کر سکے
Mr. Car, khalifa is nominated and then invites a ba'et from masses. If he does not get the ba'et from people then he cannot become khalifa. That ba'et is todays vote. If he is not doing right then he can be removed.
Well, while u brought up this topic, let me remind u of a famous incident when hazrat Umer removed then CAOS khalid bin walid because he rewarded some poet who wrote poem praising khalid bin waleed. When removed khalid bin waleed returned to madina. On his way back he was at a stopover and some people and soldiers gathered around him. Khalid bin waleed was talking to them about his grievances, one soldier said that you sound like revolting. To which hazrat khalid said as long as Umer is there, no revolt can happen. That was the power of civilian rule over the most popular CAOS of his time.
I do not intend to draw parallels between sahabas and todays rulers, but since u brought up the khalifa issue, wanted to put things in right perspective
Well, while u brought up this topic, let me remind u of a famous incident when hazrat Umer removed then CAOS khalid bin walid because he rewarded some poet who wrote poem praising khalid bin waleed. When removed khalid bin waleed returned to madina. On his way back he was at a stopover and some people and soldiers gathered around him. Khalid bin waleed was talking to them about his grievances, one soldier said that you sound like revolting. To which hazrat khalid said as long as Umer is there, no revolt can happen. That was the power of civilian rule over the most popular CAOS of his time.
I do not intend to draw parallels between sahabas and todays rulers, but since u brought up the khalifa issue, wanted to put things in right perspective
muntazir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
جی ایان نوں جی چیتا بھائی تسی سب توں انوکھی شے لے کے آندے ہو
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Altaf Lutfi
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Sach woh hota hai jo nangi aankhon se nazar aaye. Hafeez-Ullah ka sach tu hamesha hi kala ho ga, hasad aur bughz ki kaali ainak jo pehan rakhi hai. Pakistan jin awaazon se goonj raha hai,bil k andar se Hafeez-Ullah in awaazon ko nai sun sakta, faqat zehar ki pichkaari maar sakta hai. Hafez-Ullah ne apnay column ki bandooq Hashmi k kandhay par tu rakh di lekin daleel aur saboot ki goli maujood naheen.
JusticeLover
Minister (2k+ posts)
ھاں ٹھیک کہا بھایی لو سنو میرے اچھے الفاظ اس غدار کے لیے ـ لوٹا پاگل مفاد پرست بکاو مال ساتھیوں اور پارٹی کی پیٹھ میں چھرا گھوپنے والا دلال ـ
mr.car
MPA (400+ posts)
WRONG AGAIN.
Praise be to Allaah.
The Muslim ruler must appoint people who are qualified to hold positions of high office in the state, and he must also hold consultations with people of knowledge and those who are specialized in various fields. That should not be left to the common folk or the masses for everyone to elect his relative or a member of his party, or to elect the one who will pay the most.
Shaykh Saalih ibn Fawzaan (may Allaah preserve him) said:
Official positions that are lower than that of caliph or ruler: Appointing people to these positions was the job of the caliph or ruler. He had the authority to select for them people who were competent and had integrity. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, Allaah commands that you should render back the trusts to those, to whom they are due; and that when you judge between men, you judge with justice” [al-Nisa’ 4:58]. This is addressed to rulers and those in authority. Trusts (amaanaat) here refers to official positions and positions of high office in the state, which Allaah made a trust that is entrusted to the ruler. The way in which it is to be fulfilled is by choosing people who are competent and have integrity, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the caliphs who came after him and the Muslim rulers after them appointed to various positions those who were fit to hold those positions and were able to fulfil these duties as prescribed in sharee’ah.
With regard to elections as they are known today in different states, they are not part of the Islamic system and they may lead to disorder and chaos and personal ambitions. They are subject to favouritism and greed, and may lead to fitnah (tribulation) and bloodshed. They do not achieve the purpose they are meant to achieve; rather they are more like auctions, buying and selling, and false propaganda. End quote.
Al-Jazeerah newspaper, issue no. 11358.
The imam (ruler) or caliph was appointed to lead the Islamic state by one of three methods:
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He was chosen and elected by the decision makers (ahl al-hall wa’l-‘aqd). For example, Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq became caliph when he was elected by the decision makers, then the Sahaabah unanimously agreed with that and swore allegiance to him, and accepted him as caliph.
‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) became caliph in a similar manner, when ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) delegated the appointment of the caliph to come after him to a shoora council of six of the senior Sahaabah, who were to elect one of their number. ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Awf consulted the Muhaajireen and Ansaar, and when he saw that the people were all inclined towards ‘Uthmaan, he swore allegiance to him first, then the rest of the six swore allegiance to him, followed by the Muhaajireen and Ansaar, so he was elected as caliph by the decision makers.
‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him) became caliph in a similar manner, when he was elected by most of the decision makers.
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Appointment to the position by the previous caliph, when one caliph passes on the position to a particular person who is to succeed him after he dies. For example, ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab became caliph when the position was passed on to him by Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him).
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By means of force and prevailing over others. When a man becomes caliph by prevailing over the people by the sword, and he establishes his authority and takes full control, then it becomes obligatory to obey him and he becomes the leader of the Muslims. Examples of that include some of the Umayyad and ‘Abbasid caliphs, and those who came after them. This method is contrary to sharee’ah, because it is seized by force. But because great interests are served by having a ruler who rules the ummah, and because a great deal of mischief may result from chaos and loss of security in the land, the one who seizes authority by means of the sword should be obeyed if he seizes power by force but he rules in accordance with the laws of Allaah.
Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
If a man rebels and seizes power, the people must obey him, even if he seizes power by force and without their consent, because he has seized power.
The reason for that is that if his rule is contested, it will lead to a great deal of evil, and this is what happened during the Umayyad period when some of them seized power by means of force and gained the title of caliph, and people obeyed them in obedience to the command of Allaah. End quote.
pkonline14
MPA (400+ posts)
Waqai iss ne sahi kaha ke jitni izat iss donkey ko imran Khan ne di zindagi main kissi ne nahi di. Ye hargiz hargiz uss ke kabil nahi tha. Iss ke leye ganju brothers he theek they ju iss hawalat main jutte khane ke liye chorr kar khud jadda main enjoy kar rahe thy. Ab ye sari zindagi ***** brothers ke tukroon par pale ga. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
This was done against a dictator.
and now it is again being done against a dictator or badshah.
Mere bhai, you have drifted off the topic.
Anyway, if last two paragraphs of your post are considered then its not right to come out against NS regardless of how he got into the position.
Also ummayd and abbasi khalifas are bad examples. Only good examples are four khulfa rashadeen who did not use sword to get into power but were selected by the people.
By the way, do u belong to zaid hamid faction? Cause if yes then this discussion does not matter as they are the voice of anarchy and evil.
Anyway, if last two paragraphs of your post are considered then its not right to come out against NS regardless of how he got into the position.
Also ummayd and abbasi khalifas are bad examples. Only good examples are four khulfa rashadeen who did not use sword to get into power but were selected by the people.
By the way, do u belong to zaid hamid faction? Cause if yes then this discussion does not matter as they are the voice of anarchy and evil.
