Support Demand for MOHAJIR Province Petition published on gopetition,com

[mrk123]

Brov, you never answered the question:

Will Sindhis accept a Mohajir Province?

Why is it so hard for you to answer the question??????? Is it rocket science. :lol:

I guess you didn't get my post about stand up comic who crack up at their own jokes.....

I am not sure but its easier to have an intelligent argument with my 6 year old son - I will just say that ;-)

 

[alimohsan52]

I guess you didn't get my post about stand up comic who crack up at their own jokes.....

I am not sure but its easier to have an intelligent argument with my 6 year old son - I will just say that ;-)

You just want to hide behind your crap, because, you are a Mohajir Nationalist who does not care for others. That is what you have just proven.

You talk total Bull.****. So I guess your son will have bad influence you.

 

[maksyed]

Please see my draft blog which I am sharing with you people:

Mohajir Nationalism and its detrimental effect on Pakistan​

There is no question that Mohajir people made a huge contribution in making Pakistan a nation. It was hard for the ancestors of the current generation to leave their homes and the graves of their forefathers and come to Pakistan. Indeed this was a big sacrifice. Furthermore, it must be appreciated that generally the people belonging to this background are highly educated and they form the backbone of Pakistans economy.

However, we must distinguish between two terms which are used synonymously; Urdu Speaking and Mohajir people. The later term mohajir in the most simplest form means immigrant and the Urdu Speaking term relates to those people who speak Urdu and many people living in Punjab, Sindh, KPK and Baluchistan can relate themselves to being Urdu Speaking and this fits in with our national language being Urdu.

Integration of communities in the local and national culture is considered as an important factor for societies. The UK is the perfect example where Multiculturalism was formed as a basis for society where people from different backgrounds could live together in harmony. However, with the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] of July bombings this concept came under attack. Former conservative minister Norman Tebitt advocated for abolishing multiculturalism in favour of dominant culture where different groups had to fit in and accept the culture of the Majority.

However, Karachi is one city where many different cultures exist and yet there is a complete lack of harmony and people are murdered motivated for political aims in order to strengthen the vote banks of their ethnic groups parties represent. The recent demand for the Mohajir province which is covertly backed by MQM has increased tensions particularly between Sindhis and Mohajir people. The question which is disturbing is why do Mohajir people still consider themselves today as Immigrants?

We must logically assess the implication of a person calling themselves as an immigrant. Firstly an Immigrant is a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country this is the definition given by the Oxford Paperback Dictionary and Thesaurus (Third Edition 2009). The most horrific fact is that a person who considers himself an immigrant does not regard himself belonging to the country he has migrated to. Although some may dispute this, however, the evidence is stated in the definition that you are migrating to a foreign country. More interestingly, the very idea of an Immigrant province is absurd as no where in the world is this idea entertained!

On balance, we must consider the reasons why Mohajir people want this province? They feel insecure and there is also an inbred feeling that although Altaf Hussain may not be the perfect person, however, he in their eyes is considered genuinely to be a saviour of Mohajir people and MQM is considered to protect their rights. Although ground realities, as we all know are different. Therefore, there appears to be an inbred fear of leaving MQM. No matter how many are murdered they will carry on supporting MQM. This mindset allows Altaf Hussain to misuse Mohajir people for his selfish aims of joining corrupt governments, whilst the poor Mohajir people suffer in Urban Sindh and endure great difficulty with inflation, Unemployment, gas and electricity shortages and the volatile violence which plagues Karachi, On the other hand, Altaf Hussain sits in London totally immune to the difficulties of the Mohajir people with his lavish lifestyle.

An inference is often drawn from the tone of a Mohajir nationalist that the Mohajir people have been persecuted, are poor and victims of the state. This propaganda has been used repeatedly by MQM in order to maintain its vote bank. The reality could not be far from the truth, Pakistan has never targeted Mohajir people, and the hatred is against a group of extortionists, criminals and terrorists.

Unfortunately the Mohajir people who call themselves with this term and support MQM are defeating themselves and also Pakistan. Due to this mindset, young talented generations have been sucked into ethnic politics, instead of entering national political arena. The net loss of this to Pakistan has been huge. Some have entered the politics of violence. On the whole, this is a very sorry story which makes one sad for the Mohajir people and Pakistan nationally.

The Impact on Sindhi people of this Mohajir nationalism is a profound betrayal of the care and hospitality they gave, when they arrived from India. It is the nightmare of every Sindhi that their mother province will be broken. One can imagine in the long term, the ethnic strife that this will cause and its impact on Pakistan will be deeply negative for cohesion and racial harmony.

I believe people in the Mohajir community need to be challenged on this mindset and be given a genuine alternative to accommodate them into Pakistani nationalism. The challenge for all is how do we go about doing this? We must foster a culture of Pakistani nationalism and the prerequisite for this is leadership which genuinely believes in Pakistan and is centred on the principle ideology of Iqbal and Jinnah. There is a need to form common culture. Secondly, we must work hard to strengthen Pakistans economy, so poor people are not misused. Thirdly, we must educate people and show them reality. Fourthly, we must show courage and resolve to speak and say the truth and give hard facts to people on how many innocent people Altaf and his bandits have murdered. Above all we must ensure parties are all inclusive and care for everyone and not centred on protecting ethnic vote banks, this task his huge however we must work hard to achieve this aim.

Given the volatile nature of this cold blooded crocodile Altaf Hussain, one can only assume that after the creation of the Mohajir province, the aims of a move towards an Independent Mohajir state in the form of Jinnahpur may be made. This will be disaster for Pakistan, and therefore Mohajir nationalism must be tackled intellectually.

I would love some feedback on this draft from all parties members

@lotaa @Joker @shiningstar @PMLN97 @mrk123 @barca @UKPakistani @zrajput @qasi @Young_Blood @Skeptic @Star Gazer @maksyed @WatanDost

ہماری نسلیں وہ جھیلیں گی، ہم جو بوئیں گے
اِس ایک فکر نے مجھ کو، اثر میں رکھا ھے​

 

[mrk123]

You just want to hide behind your crap, because, you are a Mohajir Nationalist who does not care for others. That is what you have just proven.

You talk total Bull.****. So I guess your son will have bad influence you.

Yeah, the oober intellectual speaks and the dark spirit come out in the open ;-) anyone who poke holes in your flimsy theories is a mohajir blah blah.

I still say that wildly assuming things will not make you the top analyst on any subject. Even clairvoyants can't claims to know as much as you do about what people truly believe in. I guess with that quality yours some serious introspection is in order.

Pretending to be an expert rather than actually knowing something are two completely opposite things.

If you like to opine about a place and people get out of the cozy confines and go talk to the people across social strata and among different ethnicities to feel what
they are feeling and to know what they are thinking.

Next, I am going to become an expert on the issues and challenges faced by the Pakistani community in England while I sit 10,000 miles away. Since I was not born there and have some family in the UK and have been there couple of times and transited through Heathrow more than a few times makes me ideal to be an expert on the topic. Better yet I will only listen to people who agree with my line of thinking and people who dare to find flaws in my theories based on information gleaned from spending hours on the internet have to be labeled fundamentalists, extremists, british apologists bla blah - after all I must know more than the people who live there - internet is my friend ;-)

Food for thought for self-proclaimed experts who have no first hand knowledge, experiences or stake in the game.

Internet is a great source of information but I wonder why no one issues PhDs to people who spend their days and nights on here reading about something or watching videos on youtube all day :-) Unless of course you are an Amir Liaquat Hussain or Babar Awan

 

[alimohsan52]

Yeah, the oober intellectual speaks and the dark spirit come out in the open ;-) anyone who poke holes in your flimsy theories is a mohajir blah blah.

I still say that wildly assuming things will not make you the top analyst on any subject. Even clairvoyants can't claims to know as much as you do about what people truly believe in. I guess with that quality yours some serious introspection is in order.

Pretending to be an expert rather than actually knowing something are two completely opposite things.

If you like to opine about a place and people get out of the cozy confines and go talk to the people across social strata and among different ethnicities to feel what
they are feeling and to know what they are thinking.

Next, I am going to become an expert on the issues and challenges faced by the Pakistani community in England while I sit 10,000 miles away. Since I was not born there and have some family in the UK and have been there couple of times and transited through Heathrow more than a few times makes me ideal to be an expert on the topic. Better yet I will only listen to people who agree with my line of thinking and people who dare to find flaws in my theories based on information gleaned from spending hours on the internet have to be labeled fundamentalists, extremists, british apologists bla blah - after all I must know more than the people who live there - internet is my friend ;-)

Food for thought for self-proclaimed experts who have no first hand knowledge, experiences or stake in the game.

Internet is a great source of information but I wonder why no one issues PhDs to people who spend their days and nights on here reading about something or watching videos on youtube all day :-) Unless of course you are an Amir Liaquat Hussain or Babar Awan

One sentence for a loser like you, carry on playing the Mohajir card, but the Sindhis will never accept a separate province. you just chat a load sh*t

 

[Classof71]

, but the Sindhis will never accept a separate province. you just chat a load sh*t

'Mohsan' Sindhis do not even accept you. I do not understand why since the Karachi operation ended and Pervez Musharraf sent the Punjabi forces back to their barracks in 1999, people like you think they are experts on Karachi.

 

[Classof71]

He's not worth it.

Just because I humiliate you in every argument 'Mohsan'...[hilar]

 

[mrk123]

One sentence for a loser like you, carry on playing the Mohajir card, but the Sindhis will never accept a separate province. you just chat a load sh*t

What happened - You couldn't run your mouth off with more than a couple of cr@ps and sh!ts? Why am I not surprised that intelligent discussion is too much to handle for some and they lose it since they didn't take their clue pills in the morning and expose their low intellect by calling others losers ;-)

 

[maksyed]

Please see my draft blog which I am sharing with you people:

Mohajir Nationalism and its detrimental effect on Pakistan​

There is no question that ‘Mohajir’ people made a huge contribution in making Pakistan a nation. It was hard for the ancestors of the current generation to leave their homes and the graves of their forefathers and come to Pakistan. Indeed this was a big sacrifice. Furthermore, it must be appreciated that generally the people belonging to this background are highly educated and they form the backbone of Pakistan’s economy.

However, we must distinguish between two terms which are used synonymously; ‘Urdu Speaking’ and ‘Mohajir’ people. The later term ‘mohajir’ in the most simplest form means immigrant and the ‘Urdu Speaking’ term relates to those people who speak Urdu and many people living in Punjab, Sindh, KPK and Baluchistan can relate themselves to being ‘Urdu Speaking’ and this fits in with our national language being Urdu.

Integration of communities in the local and national culture is considered as an important factor for societies. The UK is the perfect example where ‘Multiculturalism’ was formed as a basis for society where people from different backgrounds could live together in harmony. However, with the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] of July bombings this concept came under attack. Former conservative minister Norman Tebitt advocated for abolishing ‘multiculturalism’ in favour of ‘dominant culture’ where different groups had to fit in and accept the culture of the Majority.

However, Karachi is one city where many different cultures exist and yet there is a complete lack of harmony and people are murdered motivated for political aims in order to strengthen the vote banks of their ethnic groups parties represent. The recent demand for the ‘Mohajir’ province which is covertly backed by MQM has increased tensions particularly between Sindhis and Mohajir people. The question which is disturbing is why do ‘Mohajir’ people still consider themselves today as Immigrants?

We must logically assess the implication of a person calling themselves as an ‘immigrant’. Firstly an Immigrant is ‘a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country’ this is the definition given by the Oxford Paperback Dictionary and Thesaurus (Third Edition 2009). The most horrific fact is that a person who considers himself an immigrant does not regard himself belonging to the country he has migrated to. Although some may dispute this, however, the evidence is stated in the definition that you are migrating to a ‘foreign country’. More interestingly, the very idea of an Immigrant province is absurd as no where in the world is this idea entertained!

On balance, we must consider the reasons why ‘Mohajir’ people want this province? They feel insecure and there is also an inbred feeling that although Altaf Hussain may not be the perfect person, however, he in their eyes is considered genuinely to be a saviour of ‘Mohajir’ people and MQM is considered to protect their rights. Although ground realities, as we all know are different. Therefore, there appears to be an inbred fear of leaving MQM. No matter how many are murdered they will carry on supporting MQM. This mindset allows Altaf Hussain to misuse ‘Mohajir’ people for his selfish aims of joining corrupt governments, whilst the poor ‘Mohajir’ people suffer in Urban Sindh and endure great difficulty with inflation, Unemployment, gas and electricity shortages and the volatile violence which plagues Karachi, On the other hand, Altaf Hussain sits in London totally immune to the difficulties of the Mohajir people with his lavish lifestyle.

An inference is often drawn from the tone of a ‘Mohajir’ nationalist that the Mohajir people have been persecuted, are ’poor’ and victims of the state. This propaganda has been used repeatedly by MQM in order to maintain its vote bank. The reality could not be far from the truth, Pakistan has never targeted ‘Mohajir’ people, and the hatred is against a group of extortionists, criminals and terrorists.

Unfortunately the ‘Mohajir’ people who call themselves with this term and support MQM are defeating themselves and also Pakistan. Due to this mindset, young talented generations have been sucked into ethnic politics, instead of entering national political arena. The net loss of this to Pakistan has been huge. Some have entered the politics of violence. On the whole, this is a very sorry story which makes one sad for the ‘Mohajir’ people and Pakistan nationally.

The Impact on Sindhi people of this ‘Mohajir’ nationalism is a profound betrayal of the care and hospitality they gave, when they arrived from India. It is the nightmare of every Sindhi that their mother province will be broken. One can imagine in the long term, the ethnic strife that this will cause and its impact on Pakistan will be deeply negative for cohesion and racial harmony.

I believe people in the ‘Mohajir’ community need to be challenged on this mindset and be given a genuine alternative to accommodate them into Pakistani nationalism. The challenge for all is how do we go about doing this? We must foster a culture of Pakistani nationalism and the prerequisite for this is leadership which genuinely believes in Pakistan and is centred on the principle ideology of Iqbal and Jinnah. There is a need to form common culture. Secondly, we must work hard to strengthen Pakistan’s economy, so poor people are not misused. Thirdly, we must educate people and show them reality. Fourthly, we must show courage and resolve to speak and say the truth and give hard facts to people on how many innocent people Altaf and his bandits have murdered. Above all we must ensure parties are all inclusive and care for everyone and not centred on protecting ethnic vote banks, this task his huge however we must work hard to achieve this aim.

Given the volatile nature of this cold blooded crocodile Altaf Hussain, one can only assume that after the creation of the ‘Mohajir’ province, the aims of a move towards an Independent ‘Mohajir’ state in the form of ‘Jinnahpur’ may be made. This will be disaster for Pakistan, and therefore Mohajir nationalism must be tackled intellectually.

I would love some feedback on this draft from all parties members

@lotaa @Joker @shiningstar @PMLN97 @mrk123 @barca @UKPakistani @zrajput @qasi @Young_Blood @Skeptic @Star Gazer @maksyed @WatanDost

کراچی کو مہاجر صوبہ بنانے میں کس کا فائدہ ہے​

صوبے کا گورنر، وزیر اعلی، ورزیر داخلہ اور ساری کی ساری صوبائی کابینہ ایم کیو ایم کی ہوگی… پولیس سو فیصد ایم کیو ایم کے ما تحت

ایم کیو ایم کا نام سن کر، اس پارٹی کے لیڈرز کی باتیں سن کر، اس پارٹی میں شامل اداکاروں اور گلوکاروں کی باتیں سن کر ایک وحشت اور دم گھٹنے کا احساس ہوتا ہے… یہ سوچ کر انتہائی کوفت ہوتی ہے کہ میرے قائد کا شہر خبیث اور ذلیل بھارت کے غلاموں کے قبضے میں ہوگا… کم از کم کراچی سے ان کے مقابلے پر کوئی پارٹی نہیں ہوگی… سارا خزانہ انکے ہاتھ میں… اور جو بھارت کی جے بولے گا، امریکا کی تہذیب پر لبیک کہے گا… اسی کو ملے گا سب کچھ

اور وہ برطانوی شہری جو پہلے ہی قائد اعظم کو سیکیولر کہہ چکا ہے اور اس جاہل کو سیکیولر کا مطلب بھی نہیں پتہ… وہ شہر جناح میں کیا کیا نظریاتی فساد کر واۓ گا

اسی لئے ایم کیو ایم کا مکمّل زور ان علاقوں میں ہے جہاں لوگ مصطفی مستعفی کمال کی طرح بات بات پر گالیاں دیتے ہیں، ایم کیو ایم کے کارکنوں کی طرح جگہ جگہ پان تھوکتے اور غلاظت پھیلاتے پھرتے ہیں… جہاں تعلیم صفر اور بدتمیزی اور بدتہذیبی ہی اخلاق کہلاتا ہے, جہاں جرم کا دور دورہ ہے

کراچی کا تعلیمی نظام پہلے ہی ایم کیو ایم نے اور ان کے سپورٹرز نے تباہ کر دیا ہے


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[zeshaan]

Koonsay soobay main muhajir naheen hain ?

Kia har soobay kay muhajiroon koo allahida soobaa banwaa diaa jaay?

65 saal say idhar rehaish pazeer hain aoor abhee bhee muhajir hain?

 

[alimohsan52]

کراچی کو مہاجر صوبہ بنانے میں کس کا فائدہ ہے​

صوبے کا گورنر، وزیر اعلی، ورزیر داخلہ اور ساری کی ساری صوبائی کابینہ ایم کیو ایم کی ہوگی… پولیس سو فیصد ایم کیو ایم کے ما تحت

ایم کیو ایم کا نام سن کر، اس پارٹی کے لیڈرز کی باتیں سن کر، اس پارٹی میں شامل اداکاروں اور گلوکاروں کی باتیں سن کر ایک وحشت اور دم گھٹنے کا احساس ہوتا ہے… یہ سوچ کر انتہائی کوفت ہوتی ہے کہ میرے قائد کا شہر خبیث اور ذلیل بھارت کے غلاموں کے قبضے میں ہوگا… کم از کم کراچی سے ان کے مقابلے پر کوئی پارٹی نہیں ہوگی… سارا خزانہ انکے ہاتھ میں… اور جو بھارت کی جے بولے گا، امریکا کی تہذیب پر لبیک کہے گا… اسی کو ملے گا سب کچھ

اور وہ برطانوی شہری جو پہلے ہی قائد اعظم کو سیکیولر کہہ چکا ہے اور اس جاہل کو سیکیولر کا مطلب بھی نہیں پتہ… وہ شہر جناح میں کیا کیا نظریاتی فساد کر واۓ گا

اسی لئے ایم کیو ایم کا مکمّل زور ان علاقوں میں ہے جہاں لوگ مصطفی مستعفی کمال کی طرح بات بات پر گالیاں دیتے ہیں، ایم کیو ایم کے کارکنوں کی طرح جگہ جگہ پان تھوکتے اور غلاظت پھیلاتے پھرتے ہیں… جہاں تعلیم صفر اور بدتمیزی اور بدتہذیبی ہی اخلاق کہلاتا ہے, جہاں جرم کا دور دورہ ہے

کراچی کا تعلیمی نظام پہلے ہی ایم کیو ایم نے اور ان کے سپورٹرز نے تباہ کر دیا ہے


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Thank you brother, for your illuminating and thought provoking post. You have just shown you are true Pakistan, unlike some people on this thread who have total ethnic mindset.

 

[maksyed]

Thank you brother, for your illuminating and thought provoking post. You have just shown you are true Pakistan, unlike some people on this thread who have total ethnic mindset.

:jazak: brother, Thats why I earlier said the same, in two lines .....

ہماری نسلیں وہ جھیلیں گی، ہم جو بوئیں گے
اِس ایک فکر نے مجھ کو، اثر میں رکھا ھے​

 

[LivePakistan]

If they are still Mahajir, they should go back to India. Terrorist people spoiling our holy land.

 

[alimohsan52]

If they are still Mahajir, they should go back to India. Terrorist people spoiling our holy land.

The point I made is why do people consider themselves as Mohajir? There are some very patriotic people on this forum who consider themselves as Pakistanis and no longer Mohajirs. However, on the other hand there are people who have an ethnic mindset who want to just create divisions amongst people.

 

[PakistanOnly]

MQM Terrorist Party .... With Full of Terrorists .... with GADDAAR Leader ALTAF HUSSAIN ... Pata nahin Aisey Gaddaar ko log ulta ltaka ke kyoun nahin maarte .....

 

[PakistanOnly]

Yeh Sab LOGO ko Ullu Banate Hai .... Mohajir ka Topic Nikaal ke Bas apna Kaam Nikalwana Chahte hai .... Pakistan Muslims ke Liye Bana that aur ab Yeh Punjabi aur Mohajir ki BAQWAS nukaal ker PAKISTAN KE TUKDE KERNE KI TAYARI CHAL RAHI HAI ...

 

[coolhaider]

@alimohsan52 did you file a petition against mqm ? if yes please give me the link :)

 

[_pakistan]

@alimohsan52 did you file a petition against mqm ?​

@alimohsan52 did you file a petition against mqm ? if yes please give me the link :)

 

[alimohsan52]

@alimohsan52 did you file a petition against mqm ?​

No I have not please advise how I could , or we could together??????????


There is a UK parliament petition we could sign!

 

[UKPakistani]

That pro "mohajir" sooba petition is HUGE, so many signatures in such a short space of time MASSIVE public support being shown

11 weeks it has been running, 11 signatures already, at this rate it will only take them 100 years to 5000 signatures

I am worried


Not much though