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Rule of Democracy.....need your opinion
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Unicorn
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Before democracy it was the king who made the laws people had no choice but to follow them weather they like it or not. Democracy changed this setup. In a democracy rules are made and changed by people elected by the people and elected body is accountable to the people the body can be replaced by the people or re-elected by the people this is what the slogan " by the people and for the people means.
Democracy is only as good as the people who live under it. Good voters will elect good leaders bad voters will elect bad leaders its as simple as this. There is no guaranty in it. Is there any system of governance that has a guarantees?.
Democracy is only as good as the people who live under it. Good voters will elect good leaders bad voters will elect bad leaders its as simple as this. There is no guaranty in it. Is there any system of governance that has a guarantees?.
[MENTION=13871]Unicorn[/MENTION]...thats exactly my point when bad people elect bad leaders that means if majority of the people are bad they will elect bad leader and the rest of the 49% will have to live under bad governance just because the 51% of the illitrate and uncapable people thinks that a bad leader is fit to rule the entire population.
IF the majority people in a democratic setup is unsatisfied, the same majority changes it until it is satisfied. This is the best way as there is no clear cut definition of right and wrong i.e. something good for you may seem wasteful for me or something you think is bad, I may disagree with it.
Although the slogan that we carry for democracy "Rule of people by the people and for the people" is quite attractive but I think democracy is a fundamentally flawed system. Who can guarantee that the most popular leader is the most capable leader to rule the country and who can guarantee that the majority of the population is educated and capable enough to think on their own to elect a leader for the entire population? and by saying that it is rule of people, Where does rule of Allah Subhana Wa Talah fits in the democracy?
need your opinion please. :jazak:
1. No one can ensure that the most capable person will be selected by elections. What other options do we have? who can ensure that most capable person is selected via Majlis Shoora or in a dictatorship?
2. The point is that everyone is equal so everyone has a single vote.
3. Pakistani constitution declares that Rule of Allah is supreme and all legislation will be done according to the spirit of Islam.
4. I agree democracy is flawed but anno mein kana raja! It is still better then other alternatives.
Unicorn
Banned
And you are right. Elected leaders are the reflection of the kind of people live, at least the majority of them, in a country. Even if you make a mandatory education requirement for elected leaders they will come up with fake degrees. If you make up it a standard for the voters they will do the same and if even if they did not when you take away the right to vote they will resort to the " gun ". It is a bad idea to do it.
Agreed to an extent if we need to satisfy ourselves but as a Muslim we have a duty to satisfy our Allah. Lets take an example if the parliment (representative of majority) makes a law that the pesident has an imunity in Democratic setup that means we are infact bringing a law in our land that our Lord All Mighty is not happy with, a law which spreads injustice.
Vote Imran Khan. He is going to bring Islamic Justice system in Pakistan. That is the only way without recourse to a bloody revolution.
MileStone
MPA (400+ posts)
In the sub-continent, you dont even need 51% of the vote to make the government. This percentage could be little close where only 2 candidates are running for the office. But we have seen in Pakistan, political parties taking around 25-30% votes are winning the election. (Also considering, some people dont even vote) With this, we can see that the 70-75% did not even voted for this candidiate, but he becomes the head of the state.
As Allama Iqbal correctly said,
"Democaracy mein logon ko gina jaata hai; toula nahin jaata"
As Allama Iqbal correctly said,
"Democaracy mein logon ko gina jaata hai; toula nahin jaata"
JusticeLover
Minister (2k+ posts)
Democracy is good give it some time and consistency , we have tried kingships khalifay and dictators hundreds of years and they made historical damages to the society and countries. No more slavery ........
Reshape democracy in good manner which fits country and the people as turkey and Malaya have done , say no to dictatorship or arbitrary rule take control of your destiny.
Reshape democracy in good manner which fits country and the people as turkey and Malaya have done , say no to dictatorship or arbitrary rule take control of your destiny.
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Agarwal
Councller (250+ posts)
Who will tell these "Democracy" lovers that in "Islam" Donkey is never equal to a Horse. In addition, men of bad character, adulterers, criminals and having un-Islamic practices had no say in electing a "Khalifa" or "Advisers" no matter to which "Clan' or "Tribe" they belong. Sadistically, there are no good examples to quote from the Islamic History, as well. Universal truth that, "might is right" is evident when an "Independent and Neutral" observation is made. Crux is that, that "No individual" is willing to learn from the past/history. What to do, then become a "Dilemma" and nation's entire strength is wasted in 'futile' exercises. Only Allah (SWT) knows how these doldrums can be avoided, at their best.
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JusticeLover
Minister (2k+ posts)
I agree with you at moral grounds that democracy according to environment.
According moral values.
- Voting right for people having criminal records must be restrained.
- Voting weightage of higly educated person must be more then the low educated person
- System must be able to provide justice to the people.
- My humble option is that we should stop looking at personalities to do favors to nation and we should focus to help or move forward toward better system which produce better leadership
- And this is possible only through democracy.
- In this way people try a leadership if they find it good they continue with it , if its not ok they replace it with a better one.
- Change prime minister name to Khilifa if you like this name better.
- Remove president , we must have one Head of the state either prime minister or president.
Agarwal
Councller (250+ posts)
[h=1]Glad to read above salient points. No need to change the prefix (Khalifa). FYI when present Pakistan was "West Pakistan" and "ONE-Unit" we had "Presidential' system. Entire Pakistan (East & West) had only 'Two' Governors who controlled "Law & order" in their respective "federation-units". In "center" Mr. President had only 8-12 Ministers. Government expenses were affordable due to EBDO (Electoral Body's Dis-qualification Ordinance). Resultantly, all "political" stalwarts evaporated after 10 years. New elements (faces) were seen. Z.A. Bhutto & Sheikh Mujeebur-Rehman emerged on political horizon. Trouble started, when Yahya Khan broke "one-unit' in 1970 and four provinces emerged in West Pakistan.
Consequently, administrative authorities become enormous and state expenses were enlarged to un-imaginable extents. (As it stands today)! People of Pakistan are thus, reaping what's the "beauty" of democracy. It's your generation that will decide now the fate of our "Mother-land". All the best and take care![/h]
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Wadaich
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Democracy is a form of government for which the prerequisite is at least division of people into two parts......unity of the nation slaughtered at first place..... ...... and prima facie the purpose of it is the betterment of people through the competition of two parties.
In Islam as a Deen final decision /norms / rules/ legislation for social life and governance/administration has been defined in the Quran and Sunnah pbuh and a Muslim ceases to be a Muslim if he/she has any disagreement with Quran and Sunnah pbuh. The only way where anybody or body of people can lay down some rule is through Ijtihaad......and Ijtihaad involves only the highly skilled people of the relevant field with sound know how of the Deen. In this way our Deen unites us as one ummah. So the only system which is available is "Shoora". And Shoora does not require two party system essentially. And for this system nobody can present himself/herself as a candidate. Only the best of the best of the relevant field is nominated by the learned or elders. The nearest example to this system in our age is the system adopted by China.
So far as Khilafat is concerned its basic theme is one leader or centre of gravity for the whole Ummah. And whatever the conditions have been, whatsoever the characterless or bad rulers have been ........... Ummah has never been without a single central leader known a Khalifa until after march 1924. Even in the presence of the weakest Khalifa whose authority was not even accepted in his country (Turkey). The Zionist could not establish the state of "Israel". And this cancer (Israel) was planted in the heart of Arabs only after elimination of the last Ottoman Caliph.
Just imagine all the Muslim countries governed by local leader under one Caliph.......visa and borderless entry in the whole Islamic countries......economic growth......would u be an easy prey then? and so on.......................
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modern.fakir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Khilafah is absolutely the way to go ....its the best form of government the Islamic World needs a spiritual leader for everyone to look up to ..totally second this opinion :)
Bret Hawk
Senator (1k+ posts)
I thought for a long time about the innocuous nature of Democracy (With its variant forms) along with other forms of governance as long as the basic principles of equality, respect for human rights and safeguarding the moral & ethical values of the societies are adhered to in true letter and spirit.
But now many things have started to creep in that composite structure of theme which I’ve somewhat constructed in my mind for the span of some years. An interesting point I have detected in the works and their annotations of Thomas Hobbes (d.1679), an influential English political philosopher and probably the first one to coined the Social Contract Theory, with regards to the potential elements of demerits of three primary forms of governance which the world has so far adopted in its chequered history, the sense of that interesting point is as follows;
“Out of three forms of governance (Democracy, Monarchy and aristocracy) democracy is the one which is prone to become more affected with its decadence and the devastating effects of its decadence can explode to the vast components of the state machinery & personnel as compared to its other counterpart forms of governance”.
What matters most is to follow the urge of Rationality aided by the Divine axioms & precepts rather than to follow the unbridled passions of the ruling class to steer the giant ship of a particular state towards its direction of peace and happiness.
These passions normally don’t follow or subscribe to the moral & ethical values of Mankind neither do they feel it desirable to follow any set of principles except the ones which can be utilised to achieve their peculiar objectives through any means, the glaring carbon copies of such conducts we are witnessing for many centuries.
The Muslims are blessed to have possessed those vital principles and ethical models which their Faith contains in its major sources of Quran and authentic Sunnah SAW along with some of the efforts of its influential intelligentsia to form the powerful legacy for them to look up to.
Though the effort of introducing and employing those divinely inspired codes & principles into the governance structures of the Muslim dominant states and regions is conspicuously missing on the part of their influential elite class who pathologically look up to their spiritual masters of the West to take the leaves from their books of political philosophies and modes of governance and thus resulted in this contorted mess for almost all of them.
But now many things have started to creep in that composite structure of theme which I’ve somewhat constructed in my mind for the span of some years. An interesting point I have detected in the works and their annotations of Thomas Hobbes (d.1679), an influential English political philosopher and probably the first one to coined the Social Contract Theory, with regards to the potential elements of demerits of three primary forms of governance which the world has so far adopted in its chequered history, the sense of that interesting point is as follows;
“Out of three forms of governance (Democracy, Monarchy and aristocracy) democracy is the one which is prone to become more affected with its decadence and the devastating effects of its decadence can explode to the vast components of the state machinery & personnel as compared to its other counterpart forms of governance”.
What matters most is to follow the urge of Rationality aided by the Divine axioms & precepts rather than to follow the unbridled passions of the ruling class to steer the giant ship of a particular state towards its direction of peace and happiness.
These passions normally don’t follow or subscribe to the moral & ethical values of Mankind neither do they feel it desirable to follow any set of principles except the ones which can be utilised to achieve their peculiar objectives through any means, the glaring carbon copies of such conducts we are witnessing for many centuries.
The Muslims are blessed to have possessed those vital principles and ethical models which their Faith contains in its major sources of Quran and authentic Sunnah SAW along with some of the efforts of its influential intelligentsia to form the powerful legacy for them to look up to.
Though the effort of introducing and employing those divinely inspired codes & principles into the governance structures of the Muslim dominant states and regions is conspicuously missing on the part of their influential elite class who pathologically look up to their spiritual masters of the West to take the leaves from their books of political philosophies and modes of governance and thus resulted in this contorted mess for almost all of them.
