Since there is a lot of criticism spread around the forums, i thought it would be better to combine all of it along with the replies into one thread so that anyone with the same criticism can find the reply here. The second purpose is that people criticize for 'behas baraye behas' but i want an outcome of the discussion. If the critics have nothing left to say against Imran Khan / PTI please accept in this thread that you are convinced and will vote for PTI in the future, atleast i will know this thread was of some use. I suggest others to make threads for their own parties also.
Why Imran Khan?
Because he is honest, credible, sincere to Pakistan, puts Pakistan's interest first instead of his own or his party's interest, takes a stand on principles and does not serve America.
There isnt a single case of corruption made against Imran Khan even though he has collected more than Rs. 6 billion (US $ 100 million) for Shaukat Khanum Cancer Hospital and was a member of Parliament for almost 5 years. SKCH Documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Why-y3LIQ
Imran Khan is the only political party leader who has sold his assets abroad and has everything in Pakistan. Everything declared and tax paid, brought in Pakistan legally through banks and he is the only one who has invited accountants to check his assets and source of income to find any discrepancies or corruption. Imran Khan's Assets and Tax:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCPqddMxW44
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Recent criticism by Najam Sethi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1h5PudbpjM
Reply:
"Imran Khan is charismatic"
Agreed.
"Imran Khan has no sense of politics"
Reply: Agreed, he has no sense of the politics that other parties have mastered. He cant talk or act like a clown on TV (like Altaf), he cant change his stance everyday (recent example: MQM and N league talking all kinds of crap about each other and now 'Khadim-e-aala' invites MQM leaders for tea), IK cant do power politics like N league or ethnic politics like MQM or corruption politics like PPP.
"Imran Khan is 'aadha jahil'", "does not know anything about economy"
Reply: If Imran Khan having these credentials has no knowledge of economy or "aadha jahil", then 99.99% of Pakistanis are jahil.
BA (Hons) in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics, Keble College, Oxford University, UK. 1971-92. Only sportsman to be awarded honorary fellowship of Keble College, Oxford University. Chancellor of Bradford University since 2005. Only sportsman to be included in Hall of Fame, Oxford University.
"Imran Khan is confused"
Reply: Figment of imagination, Sethi gave no evidence to support this claim. Imran Khan is not confused in the least. His struggle is for social/economic justice, freedom from external dictation, end of corruption and education for all.
"Imran Khan is clean at heart but his mind is empty" Reply: No doubt his heart is clean and free from lust for money or power. But "his mind is empty" is again a totally false claim. He has a vision for world-class health care for Pakistanis, the proof of which is Shaukat Khanum Cancer Hospital. He has a vision for world-class education for Pakistanis, the proof of which is Namal College where students will get Bradford University degrees in a remote village of Pakistan. His vision is to turn Namal College into Pakistan's first knowledge city, comparable to Oxford University standards. Namal Knowledge City:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjs23j0GQ_E
"Imran Khan has no knowledge of administration"
Reply: How was Shaukat Khanum made and is running at the best standards for the last 15 years if Imran Khan has no administration capability?
"Imran Khan should have done more social work like Edhi instead of politics"
Reply: Social work can be done parallel to politics as Imran Khan is doing. Mr. Edhi has done so much social work, but can social work change the state of Pakistan? Can all our problems be solved with social work? Can we eliminate corruption with social work? No.
The question that should be asked is: why Nawaz Sharif, Zardari or Altaf Hussain dont do any real social work if they are sincere to Pakistan?
"Imran Khan has no fears"
Agreed.
Pakistan needs a selfless, trustworthy, credible, straightforward and fearless leader like Imran Khan.
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PTI is a one-seat party with no support:
The major reason for this is because PTI has never taken the help of establishment or the corrupt parties in government. The last elections contested by PTI were 9 years ago when it was still a very young party, the situation on ground has radically changed during these 9 years and i can guarantee that you will see a major change in the next elections.
Imran Khan's reply to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs0Z7Vm_hxc&feature=player_detailpage#t=326s
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Facts with Rana, Din News 29 September 2010
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZWTZf_AuLM
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs0Z7Vm_hxc
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8Uzw2Imofc
Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU17bpapBT0
Part 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpIhj0l9FmY
Tonight with Jasmeen, Samaa TV, 12 January 2011
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x398C6Mfn3M
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LHROLmDJM0
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI9y1mgKF9Q
You will find answers to many frequently asked questions in the above two programs including the following questions (many other questions also):
- Boycott of 2008 Elections (at 5:08 of Facts with Rana part 1/5)
- PTI's possible alliance with MQM (at 8:04 of Facts with Rana part 1/5)
- Establishment helping PTI, PTI's support and later opposition of Musharraf (at 0:28 of Facts with Rana part 2/5)
- Why prominent politicians dont join PTI (at 3:18 of Facts with Rana part 2/5)
- Why PTI is still not in government after 14 years (at 5:26 of Facts with Rana part 2/5)
- PTI's unknown leadership (at 0:23 of Facts with Rana part 3/5)
- Alliance with PMLN in APDM (at start of Facts with Rana part 5/5)
- Imran Khan's plans to deal with economic crisis. tax-evasion and corruption (1:14 of Tonight with Jasmeen part 2/3)
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Imran Khan's plans to deal with economic crisis. tax-evasion and corruption (summary):
Independent NAB, independent prosecution, no one allowed to contest elections without declaring all assets and source of income, using Thar coal reserves for energy, getting investment from overseas Pakistanis, mining copper/gold from Balochistan, increasing marble exports and getting the billions of dollars that have been stolen from Pakistan.
Imran Khan's views on Taliban and Terrorism (summary):
Imran Khan is the only leader who has given a viable solution to counter terrorism. Stop drone attacks and operations in Pakistan. Stop killing natives in tribal areas and make them your allies against the small number of terrorists (the ones funded by external forces). Drone attacks and operations result in the killing of innocent people which leads their families towards extremism or terrorism. Currently, the majority of people fighting against Pakistan Army are natives who are angered due to military operations and the killing of their family. We have to stop military operations and talk to the native tribesmen, separate them from the small percentage of the real terrorists (that are backed by external forces) and eliminate the real terrorists with the native tribes' help.
Explanation to critics in simple words:
Ghurbat khatam karne ke liay ghareeb ko khatam nahi kia jata, balke us ke asbaab (root causes) ka khatma karna paray ga, Isi tarha dehshatgardi khatam karne ke liay mubayyana dehshatgardon ko khatam nahi kia jata, dehshatgardi ke asbaab (drone attacks/operations/injustice) ko khatam karna paray ga. Agar Shumaila (wife of man murdered by Raymond) khudkushi kar sakti hai, to us jaisa koi khudkush hamla bhi kar sakta hai. Ye koi extremist nahi thi, aik aam insaan thi jisay na-insafi ne khudkushi pe majboor kia aur aisi hi na-insafi khudkush hamlon ko bhi daawat deti hai.
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Imran Khan's children are abroad / what he has sacrificed for Pakistan:
Imran Khan is divorced and his children are in their mother's custody so obviously they live in UK. Imran Khan's marriage didnt last because Jemima could not adjust to Pakistan's environment and Imran Khan did not want to live outside Pakistan. He sacrificed his marriage and his whole life for Pakistan. He could be living in USA, UK or anywhere else in the world enjoying his life with his wife and kids, he could have taken British citizenship, he could be chairman PCB but he left everything because he wanted to do something for Pakistan while living in Pakistan.
Currently Imran Khan spends most of his time raising funds for Shaukat Khanum from Pakistan and from abroad and raising funds for Imran Khan Foundation for flood victims. He has almost no time at all for himself, he is constantly working for the betterment of Pakistan.
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Achievements of PTI as a political party:
The only major party that was established without the help of Army, ISI or Establishment.
One of the few parties to boycott 2008 elections on a principle stand that Musharraf's emergency and his regime are illegal and unconstitutional.
The only party whose chairman has NO corruption cases against him, neither in the past nor present and none in the future InshaAllah.
The only party that has given a viable solution to terrorism.
The only party that says "political party leaders should declare their assets and source of income in Pakistan and abroad, and should hold themselves accountable first before they hold others accountable".
The only major party whose chairman has not fled abroad in "self-exile" under any circumstances.
PTI's leadership and popularity:
For those who dont know PTI leadership, see this album:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...8&l=5c96ef4b05
For those who doubt PTI's popularity, see this album:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...8&l=967e1c5a70
There are many more albums on www.insaf.pk
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Originally Posted by Jury
1) Why Imran hasn't go, yet, to face the charges in LA court against him.
2) On what ground Imran and PTI workers case were withdrawn.
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoP...&Date=20071115
Reply:
1. I dont know of any case pending in LA court against Imran Khan, he goes abroad every year to Europe and USA for fund raising and if there was any case he would have been arrested at the US airport. US is not like Pakistan where you can come and go as you please if there are cases against you.
2. Everyone knows Musharraf's emergency was illegal and the charges against Imran Khan were fake. Protesting is a part of democracy but Musharraf termed protest as terrorism and later on the cases were withdrawn because they were baseless and Musharraf's emergency rule came to an end.
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Originally Posted by elipst
Imran lies too, just as the rest of them. So dont go around claiming the high moral ground here
Reply: Show me just ONE lie of Imran Khan, dont talk in the air, give valid proof.
"so many People arrived a night before NA-55 By-elections at PTI jalsa but next day PTI lost the election"
Reply: "so many People arrived" You have the answer right there, election results are rigged very easily in Pakistan, as you might remember there were many fake votes caught on media during by-elections.
"you offered people instead of couple of Old Outdated Lotas in Elections like Khokar, Malik Riaz and Jaazi Khan"
Reply: Other than the few people mentioned above, the rest of PTI's representatives are new names in politics with clean track records. Just to name a few: Dr. Arif Alvi (Secretary General), Hamid Khan (Vice President), Ahsan Rasheed (Punjab President), Fauzia Kasuri (Women Wing President), Admiral (R) Javed Iqbal (Vice President & Defense Spokesperson), Justice (R) Wajihuddin Ahmed.
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"We all know Pakistan is in crisis but this panic does not mean we should overthrow the government and not wait for two years."
Do you really think Pakistan can take 2 more years of this corrupt and incompetent government? Things were never this bad in the past. As Imran Khan has been saying and economists are also saying, Pakistan CAN NOT run like this any more. Unless we stop taking loans, decrease our expenses and end corruption, there will be NO Pakistan left to have elections. If Nawaz Sharif is protecting the government, he is not doing it for Pakistan's interests or for so-called "democracy", he is doing it to keep his own Punjab government intact as long as possible. Nawaz Sharif only took part in restoring judiciary because Dogar courts had declared Nawaz and Shehbaz ineligible to contest elections, once again Nawaz showed his lust for power.
You might be well-off and not affected much by the price hike and increase in poverty, but the lower class and the workers on daily wages can no longer live in these conditions that is why suicide rate is increasing rapidly. Neither Pakistan nor the poor people of Pakistan can withstand this government much longer.
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Why Imran Khan?
Because he is honest, credible, sincere to Pakistan, puts Pakistan's interest first instead of his own or his party's interest, takes a stand on principles and does not serve America.
There isnt a single case of corruption made against Imran Khan even though he has collected more than Rs. 6 billion (US $ 100 million) for Shaukat Khanum Cancer Hospital and was a member of Parliament for almost 5 years. SKCH Documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Why-y3LIQ
Imran Khan is the only political party leader who has sold his assets abroad and has everything in Pakistan. Everything declared and tax paid, brought in Pakistan legally through banks and he is the only one who has invited accountants to check his assets and source of income to find any discrepancies or corruption. Imran Khan's Assets and Tax:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCPqddMxW44
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Recent criticism by Najam Sethi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1h5PudbpjM
Reply:
"Imran Khan is charismatic"
Agreed.
"Imran Khan has no sense of politics"
Reply: Agreed, he has no sense of the politics that other parties have mastered. He cant talk or act like a clown on TV (like Altaf), he cant change his stance everyday (recent example: MQM and N league talking all kinds of crap about each other and now 'Khadim-e-aala' invites MQM leaders for tea), IK cant do power politics like N league or ethnic politics like MQM or corruption politics like PPP.
"Imran Khan is 'aadha jahil'", "does not know anything about economy"
Reply: If Imran Khan having these credentials has no knowledge of economy or "aadha jahil", then 99.99% of Pakistanis are jahil.
BA (Hons) in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics, Keble College, Oxford University, UK. 1971-92. Only sportsman to be awarded honorary fellowship of Keble College, Oxford University. Chancellor of Bradford University since 2005. Only sportsman to be included in Hall of Fame, Oxford University.
"Imran Khan is confused"
Reply: Figment of imagination, Sethi gave no evidence to support this claim. Imran Khan is not confused in the least. His struggle is for social/economic justice, freedom from external dictation, end of corruption and education for all.
"Imran Khan is clean at heart but his mind is empty" Reply: No doubt his heart is clean and free from lust for money or power. But "his mind is empty" is again a totally false claim. He has a vision for world-class health care for Pakistanis, the proof of which is Shaukat Khanum Cancer Hospital. He has a vision for world-class education for Pakistanis, the proof of which is Namal College where students will get Bradford University degrees in a remote village of Pakistan. His vision is to turn Namal College into Pakistan's first knowledge city, comparable to Oxford University standards. Namal Knowledge City:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjs23j0GQ_E
"Imran Khan has no knowledge of administration"
Reply: How was Shaukat Khanum made and is running at the best standards for the last 15 years if Imran Khan has no administration capability?
"Imran Khan should have done more social work like Edhi instead of politics"
Reply: Social work can be done parallel to politics as Imran Khan is doing. Mr. Edhi has done so much social work, but can social work change the state of Pakistan? Can all our problems be solved with social work? Can we eliminate corruption with social work? No.
The question that should be asked is: why Nawaz Sharif, Zardari or Altaf Hussain dont do any real social work if they are sincere to Pakistan?
"Imran Khan has no fears"
Agreed.
Pakistan needs a selfless, trustworthy, credible, straightforward and fearless leader like Imran Khan.
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PTI is a one-seat party with no support:
The major reason for this is because PTI has never taken the help of establishment or the corrupt parties in government. The last elections contested by PTI were 9 years ago when it was still a very young party, the situation on ground has radically changed during these 9 years and i can guarantee that you will see a major change in the next elections.
Imran Khan's reply to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs0Z7Vm_hxc&feature=player_detailpage#t=326s
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Facts with Rana, Din News 29 September 2010
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZWTZf_AuLM
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs0Z7Vm_hxc
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8Uzw2Imofc
Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU17bpapBT0
Part 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpIhj0l9FmY
Tonight with Jasmeen, Samaa TV, 12 January 2011
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x398C6Mfn3M
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LHROLmDJM0
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI9y1mgKF9Q
You will find answers to many frequently asked questions in the above two programs including the following questions (many other questions also):
- Boycott of 2008 Elections (at 5:08 of Facts with Rana part 1/5)
- PTI's possible alliance with MQM (at 8:04 of Facts with Rana part 1/5)
- Establishment helping PTI, PTI's support and later opposition of Musharraf (at 0:28 of Facts with Rana part 2/5)
- Why prominent politicians dont join PTI (at 3:18 of Facts with Rana part 2/5)
- Why PTI is still not in government after 14 years (at 5:26 of Facts with Rana part 2/5)
- PTI's unknown leadership (at 0:23 of Facts with Rana part 3/5)
- Alliance with PMLN in APDM (at start of Facts with Rana part 5/5)
- Imran Khan's plans to deal with economic crisis. tax-evasion and corruption (1:14 of Tonight with Jasmeen part 2/3)
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Imran Khan's plans to deal with economic crisis. tax-evasion and corruption (summary):
Independent NAB, independent prosecution, no one allowed to contest elections without declaring all assets and source of income, using Thar coal reserves for energy, getting investment from overseas Pakistanis, mining copper/gold from Balochistan, increasing marble exports and getting the billions of dollars that have been stolen from Pakistan.
Imran Khan's views on Taliban and Terrorism (summary):
Imran Khan is the only leader who has given a viable solution to counter terrorism. Stop drone attacks and operations in Pakistan. Stop killing natives in tribal areas and make them your allies against the small number of terrorists (the ones funded by external forces). Drone attacks and operations result in the killing of innocent people which leads their families towards extremism or terrorism. Currently, the majority of people fighting against Pakistan Army are natives who are angered due to military operations and the killing of their family. We have to stop military operations and talk to the native tribesmen, separate them from the small percentage of the real terrorists (that are backed by external forces) and eliminate the real terrorists with the native tribes' help.
Explanation to critics in simple words:
Ghurbat khatam karne ke liay ghareeb ko khatam nahi kia jata, balke us ke asbaab (root causes) ka khatma karna paray ga, Isi tarha dehshatgardi khatam karne ke liay mubayyana dehshatgardon ko khatam nahi kia jata, dehshatgardi ke asbaab (drone attacks/operations/injustice) ko khatam karna paray ga. Agar Shumaila (wife of man murdered by Raymond) khudkushi kar sakti hai, to us jaisa koi khudkush hamla bhi kar sakta hai. Ye koi extremist nahi thi, aik aam insaan thi jisay na-insafi ne khudkushi pe majboor kia aur aisi hi na-insafi khudkush hamlon ko bhi daawat deti hai.
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Imran Khan's children are abroad / what he has sacrificed for Pakistan:
Imran Khan is divorced and his children are in their mother's custody so obviously they live in UK. Imran Khan's marriage didnt last because Jemima could not adjust to Pakistan's environment and Imran Khan did not want to live outside Pakistan. He sacrificed his marriage and his whole life for Pakistan. He could be living in USA, UK or anywhere else in the world enjoying his life with his wife and kids, he could have taken British citizenship, he could be chairman PCB but he left everything because he wanted to do something for Pakistan while living in Pakistan.
Currently Imran Khan spends most of his time raising funds for Shaukat Khanum from Pakistan and from abroad and raising funds for Imran Khan Foundation for flood victims. He has almost no time at all for himself, he is constantly working for the betterment of Pakistan.
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Achievements of PTI as a political party:
The only major party that was established without the help of Army, ISI or Establishment.
One of the few parties to boycott 2008 elections on a principle stand that Musharraf's emergency and his regime are illegal and unconstitutional.
The only party whose chairman has NO corruption cases against him, neither in the past nor present and none in the future InshaAllah.
The only party that has given a viable solution to terrorism.
The only party that says "political party leaders should declare their assets and source of income in Pakistan and abroad, and should hold themselves accountable first before they hold others accountable".
The only major party whose chairman has not fled abroad in "self-exile" under any circumstances.
PTI's leadership and popularity:
For those who dont know PTI leadership, see this album:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...8&l=5c96ef4b05
For those who doubt PTI's popularity, see this album:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...8&l=967e1c5a70
There are many more albums on www.insaf.pk
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Originally Posted by Jury
1) Why Imran hasn't go, yet, to face the charges in LA court against him.
2) On what ground Imran and PTI workers case were withdrawn.
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoP...&Date=20071115
Reply:
1. I dont know of any case pending in LA court against Imran Khan, he goes abroad every year to Europe and USA for fund raising and if there was any case he would have been arrested at the US airport. US is not like Pakistan where you can come and go as you please if there are cases against you.
2. Everyone knows Musharraf's emergency was illegal and the charges against Imran Khan were fake. Protesting is a part of democracy but Musharraf termed protest as terrorism and later on the cases were withdrawn because they were baseless and Musharraf's emergency rule came to an end.
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Originally Posted by elipst
Imran lies too, just as the rest of them. So dont go around claiming the high moral ground here
Reply: Show me just ONE lie of Imran Khan, dont talk in the air, give valid proof.
"so many People arrived a night before NA-55 By-elections at PTI jalsa but next day PTI lost the election"
Reply: "so many People arrived" You have the answer right there, election results are rigged very easily in Pakistan, as you might remember there were many fake votes caught on media during by-elections.
"you offered people instead of couple of Old Outdated Lotas in Elections like Khokar, Malik Riaz and Jaazi Khan"
Reply: Other than the few people mentioned above, the rest of PTI's representatives are new names in politics with clean track records. Just to name a few: Dr. Arif Alvi (Secretary General), Hamid Khan (Vice President), Ahsan Rasheed (Punjab President), Fauzia Kasuri (Women Wing President), Admiral (R) Javed Iqbal (Vice President & Defense Spokesperson), Justice (R) Wajihuddin Ahmed.
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"We all know Pakistan is in crisis but this panic does not mean we should overthrow the government and not wait for two years."
Do you really think Pakistan can take 2 more years of this corrupt and incompetent government? Things were never this bad in the past. As Imran Khan has been saying and economists are also saying, Pakistan CAN NOT run like this any more. Unless we stop taking loans, decrease our expenses and end corruption, there will be NO Pakistan left to have elections. If Nawaz Sharif is protecting the government, he is not doing it for Pakistan's interests or for so-called "democracy", he is doing it to keep his own Punjab government intact as long as possible. Nawaz Sharif only took part in restoring judiciary because Dogar courts had declared Nawaz and Shehbaz ineligible to contest elections, once again Nawaz showed his lust for power.
You might be well-off and not affected much by the price hike and increase in poverty, but the lower class and the workers on daily wages can no longer live in these conditions that is why suicide rate is increasing rapidly. Neither Pakistan nor the poor people of Pakistan can withstand this government much longer.
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