Point of concern: Has our banking system become unsound?

AsifAmeer

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http://tribune.com.pk/story/411751/point-of-concern-has-our-banking-system-become-unsound/

By Ali Salman
Published: July 23, 2012



LAHORE: Pakistans financial sector liberalisation in general and privatisation of banks in particular has largely been hailed by experts on account of professionalisation, financial inclusion and penetration of banks. Notwithstanding the usual criticism of a high interest spread and high bank charges, strong evidences have now emerged which suggest that the banking sector has become visibly unsound.



Since 2009, the State Bank of Pakistan has maintained financial soundness indicators of the banking system. These parameters include capital adequacy, assets quality, earnings and liquidity. The most recently released Statistics of the Banking System actually erodes the goodwill that has been associated with a liberalised banking industry.

The most startling fact is that the exposure of all banks to non-performing loans has more than doubled since 2006. The stock of NPLs in public sector commercial banks has increased from 9% to 21%, in foreign banks from 1% to 10.5% and in commercial banks from 5.7% to 15.5%. In the case of public sector commercial banks, the ratio of net NPLs to their capital is 44%, which was 6.4% in 2006, whereas this is 23.8% in commercial banks, up from 6.2% in 2006.

In nutshell, the assets of banks have become significantly more toxic. The bad quality toxic assets of the banking sector were the single most important symptom, though not the cause, of the great financial depression, the world witnessed recently.

The increasing exposure to NPLs has dampened the profitability of banks as well. Overall, the earnings before tax, when measured by returns on assets, have decreased by 24% over the last six years. Certainly, this reduction is much more pronounced in public sector commercial banks as it has come down from 4% in 2006 to 1.9% in 2012. Return on equity before tax has been reduced from 35.2% to 26.3% in the same time period.

Another disturbing indicator is the increasing cost of operations as measured by cost-income ratio. For public sector commercial banks, this was 31.8% in 2006, which now stands at a staggering 57.9% in 2012. For foreign banks, this has jumped from 49.8% to 69.3%.

Despite these developments, the liquidity in banks has increased from 31.9% to 44%. But at the same time, the advances-deposit ratio has decreased from 74.6% to 54.3%. It means that the banks are preferring to keep the cash to their tills.

The moral of the story

The banking system is becoming more unsound, less profitable, more expensive, more liquid and more toxic. Has the mantra of deregulation, denationalisation and privatisation failed?

My hypothesis is that the banks of all categories have been increasingly swamped with demands of risk-free lending from the government, drying up of genuine business projects and a general risk aversion amongst the bankers. Banks of all creeds share a similar fortune to varying degree now.

According to the State Bank, the top five banks, which hold 51% of total banking assets and 50.9% of total investments, have parked 82.2% of their investments in government securities. The foreign banks have parked 99.9% of their investments in government securities. This trend is common across the entire banking system. Now imagine that the federal government is slightly less credible. Who will repay all this investment with such quality of governance?

That the return to an NPL-dominated regime, which was characteristic of nationalised banks, will only feed into risk aversion of bankers should not be a surprise. However, unlike the political pressures which were usually held culprit for these loans in the nationalisation era, the deregulated banks should bear the brunt themselves now. It means that the owners, directors and majority shareholders should be held responsible to this extent. If a bank fails on this ground, the state must stay away, and unlike what the Western governments did, must not socialise the costs of default. Although insurance of small deposits can be a viable consideration.

It is true that the bankers alone cannot be held responsible for uninterrupted demand of risk-free loans and a shocking absence of business projects of scale. Probably, the non-availability of business projects can be explained by poor, expensive and unreliable energy infrastructure. For the risk-free loans, the political ambitions of the government, always devoid of any economic wisdom, will be held responsible.

It is evidently clear that increased government borrowing not only sucks up available capital, but also induces risk aversion among bankers, and at the same time, makes it prohibitively expensive for the private sector to borrow.


The writer is managing partner of Development Pool an economic research organisation and is a founding member of Economic Freedom Network Pakistan
Published in The Express Tribune, July 23[SUP]rd[/SUP], 2012.




Comments: This is not what I had said. i said the Commercial banks will fail when the T-Bills (Govt bonds) start to go down in value. And the sad part is, I agree with Ali that NPL ALSO taking a bite from the Banks bottom line. The reason why Spanish and Greek banks are failing is because they lent too much money to their Govt who now cant repay them back because they dont collect enough in taxes. Same thing is gonna happen to Pakistani Banks.

In Non-financial terms - Ramazan Mubarak!

 
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gotti

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The reality is that this article, the author and the individual who posted it are extremely unsound.

So let's take it one step at a time...

The article suggests that the private sector is heavily invested in the government...well, that's wrong, isn't it? If the government collapses, the banks will stay, won't they? that's because they have nothing to do with the nation, rather...they are nations, themselves...?...what kind of idiotic approach is that towards understanding economics?...the fact is that, no matter how private an institution...it will always have to hedge it's bets with the country it is located in, in order to exist...btw, the npls aren't an issue since those banks wouldn't have existed, had there not been the country to begin with...

the author of this article, having associated himself with IHT has started to believe that the American economy or the European economies are the same as Pakistan...it's kind of ironic because if he had ever taken an opportunity to glance over Nasdaq and compared it to KSE, he would have known that there isn't a single thing common in the latter....the best performing shares in the KSE are PSO, which is...here it comes...wait for it....wait for it....The Government!!!....how about Nasdaq? it has AAPL (Apple, Inc.)...now, to help the poor author of this article understand that the issue here is the fact that there is no entrepreneurial activity in Pakisan, which is the root cause of economic relapse and not whatever he thinks can land him a spot as a regular on The Economist or Forbes.

Now, the individual who posted this article: from what it seems, he is either a small time day-trader or makes some money in the private sector...probably makes around 50 grand a year, but hey, that's more than 50,000 in a currency that's worth 100-times less, or wait, is it 96? but wait, that automatically makes him smarter than every single economist Pakistan ever produced. Also, he failed to realize that his forefathers did not hop up off the Mayflower onto the shores of the New Country...they came in a run-down, colonial train from India to Karachi or Lahore...assuming he isn't from the tribal section of Pakistan...but that's okay...we all want to make ourselves feel we are worth something...no matter how blissfully ignorant we are

P.S. it is not the banks in Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal that are failing...it's their system, which is highly socialized and also heavily burdened by immigrants, most of whom are illegal...and are of Pakistani origin...so, unfortunately, Athens is going down, along with Spain and Italy because of approx 100,000 illegally migrated Pakistanis that live there...very similar to the route that the guy who posted this article took to land at JFK, or was it a floating tire off the coast of the Florida Keys?
 
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AsifAmeer

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Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt


Feel free to talk numbers and we can have a conversation.

The reality is that this article, the author and the individual who posted it are extremely unsound.

So let's take it one step at a time...

The article suggests that the private sector is heavily invested in the government...well, that's wrong, isn't it? If the government collapses, the banks will stay, won't they? that's because they have nothing to do with the nation, rather...they are nations, themselves...?...what kind of idiotic approach is that towards understanding economics?...the fact is that, no matter how private an institution...it will always have to hedge it's bets with the country it is located in, in order to exist...btw, the npls aren't an issue since those banks wouldn't have existed, had there not been the country to begin with...

the author of this article, having associated himself with IHT has started to believe that the American economy or the European economies are the same as Pakistan...it's kind of ironic because if he had ever taken an opportunity to glance over Nasdaq and compared it to KSE, he would have known that there isn't a single thing common in the latter....the best performing shares in the KSE are PSO, which is...here it comes...wait for it....wait for it....The Government!!!....how about Nasdaq? it has AAPL (Apple, Inc.)...now, to help the poor author of this article understand that the issue here is the fact that there is no entrepreneurial activity in Pakisan, which is the root cause of economic relapse and not whatever he thinks can land him a spot as a regular on The Economist or Forbes.

Now, the individual who posted this article: from what it seems, he is either a small time day-trader or makes some money in the private sector...probably makes around 50 grand a year, but hey, that's more than 50,000 in a currency that's worth 100-times less, or wait, is it 96? but wait, that automatically makes him smarter than every single economist Pakistan ever produced. Also, he failed to realize that his forefathers did not hop up off the Mayflower onto the shores of the New Country...they came in a run-down, colonial train from India to Karachi or Lahore...assuming he isn't from the tribal section of Pakistan...but that's okay...we all want to make ourselves feel we are worth something...no matter how blissfully ignorant we are

P.S. it is not the banks in Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal that are failing...it's their system, which is highly socialized and also heavily burdened by immigrants, most of whom are illegal...and are of Pakistani origin...so, unfortunately, Athens is going down, along with Spain and Italy because of approx 100,000 illegally migrated Pakistanis that live there...very similar to the route that the guy who posted this article took to land at JFK, or was it a floating tire off the coast of the Florida Keys?
 

Raaz

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Comments: This is not what I had said. i said the Commercial banks will fail when the T-Bills (Govt bonds) start to go down in value. And the sad part is, I agree with Ali that NPL ALSO taking a bite from the Banks bottom line. [HI]The reason why Spanish and Greek banks are failing is because they lent too much money to their Govt who now cant repay them back because they dont collect enough in taxes. Same thing is gonna happen to Pakistani Banks.
[/HI]


اپنی ملت کو قیاس اقوام مغرب سے نہ کر
خاص ہے ترکیب میں یہ قوم پاکستانی
 

zhohaq

Minister (2k+ posts)
The reality is that this article, the author and the individual who posted it are extremely unsound.

So let's take it one step at a time...

The article suggests that the private sector is heavily invested in the government...well, that's wrong, isn't it? If the government collapses, the banks will stay, won't they? that's because they have nothing to do with the nation, rather...they are nations, themselves...?...what kind of idiotic approach is that towards understanding economics?...the fact is that, no matter how private an institution...it will always have to hedge it's bets with the country it is located in, in order to exist...btw, the npls aren't an issue since those banks wouldn't have existed, had there not been the country to begin with...

the author of this article, having associated himself with IHT has started to believe that the American economy or the European economies are the same as Pakistan...it's kind of ironic because if he had ever taken an opportunity to glance over Nasdaq and compared it to KSE, he would have known that there isn't a single thing common in the latter....the best performing shares in the KSE are PSO, which is...here it comes...wait for it....wait for it....The Government!!!....how about Nasdaq? it has AAPL (Apple, Inc.)...now, to help the poor author of this article understand that the issue here is the fact that there is no entrepreneurial activity in Pakisan, which is the root cause of economic relapse and not whatever he thinks can land him a spot as a regular on The Economist or Forbes.

Now, the individual who posted this article: from what it seems, he is either a small time day-trader or makes some money in the private sector...probably makes around 50 grand a year, but hey, that's more than 50,000 in a currency that's worth 100-times less, or wait, is it 96? but wait, that automatically makes him smarter than every single economist Pakistan ever produced. Also, he failed to realize that his forefathers did not hop up off the Mayflower onto the shores of the New Country...they came in a run-down, colonial train from India to Karachi or Lahore...assuming he isn't from the tribal section of Pakistan...but that's okay...we all want to make ourselves feel we are worth something...no matter how blissfully ignorant we are

P.S. it is not the banks in Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal that are failing...it's their system, which is highly socialized and also heavily burdened by immigrants, most of whom are illegal...and are of Pakistani origin...so, unfortunately, Athens is going down, along with Spain and Italy because of approx 100,000 illegally migrated Pakistanis that live there...very similar to the route that the guy who posted this article took to land at JFK, or was it a floating tire off the coast of the Florida Keys?

So are you saying the banking sector is hunky dory?
According to the State Bank, the top five banks, which hold 51% of total banking assets and 50.9% of total investments, have parked 82.2% of their investments in government securities. The foreign banks have parked 99.9% of their investments in government securities.

Well international rating agencies are smelling blood.
http://www.moodys.com/research/Mood...d-ratings-to-Caa1-outlook-negative--PR_250645
Moody's Investors Service has today downgraded Pakistan's foreign- and local-currency bond ratings by one notch to Caa1 from B3. The short-term ratings remain unchanged at Not-Prime. The outlook is negative.The key drivers for today's rating action are:
1.) A deterioration in Pakistan's balance of payments over the past year
2.) The looming large repayments to the International Monetary Fund (IMF)
3.) The dwindling level of official foreign-exchange reserves
4.) The institutional weakness stemming from political instability and constrained government finances

http://www.moodys.com/research/Mood...i-banks-following-sovereign-action--PR_250866
Moody's Investors Service has today downgraded by one notch the local-currency deposit ratings of five Pakistani banks to B3, with negative outlook, from B2, and lowered their standalone credit assessments to caa1 from b3. The affected banks are Allied Bank Limited, Habib Bank Ltd, MCB Bank Limited, National Bank of Pakistan and United Bank Ltd.
-Exposures to Government Debt Securities
The five affected banks hold sizable direct and indirect exposures to the Pakistani government, which links the strength of their balance sheets closely to that of Pakistan, whose downgrade to Caa1 implies a greater probability of default over the short term. According to the banks' financial statements, the direct exposures of rated Pakistani banks to government bonds ranged between 252% -430% of Tier 1 capital as of December 2011, making the banks' capital bases vulnerable to sovereign credit developments. Furthermore, according to Moody's estimates based on figures published by the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP), the central bank, the banking system's exposures to government bonds continued to increase in absolute amounts during Q1 2012. This reflects the government's increasing reliance on the domestic banking system to fund it deficits.In addition, Moody's also acknowledges that the banks' loan books have significant exposures to Public Sector Entities (PSEs), whose performances are largely influenced by the sovereign. The exposures of the five rated banks to such PSEs ranged between 63%-139% of their Tier 1 capital as of December 2011, increasing their vulnerability to sovereign credit risk.

I dont have a good understanding of economics. But please do tell us why we should take your word over Common sense and Moody's. Asif Ameer has been saying since months what Moody has pointed out now.
At least as a layman it seems worrying. What are we missing?


Sure Pakistans economy is different and there is a huge Black economy. But the basics are the same arent they. The banks are exposed tremendously to Public sector debt. The Government does not seem to have any plan next to printing money. Gorwth is negative due to the unending power crises and Security. The remittance bubble will either not sustain things or burst.Eventually some thing has to give. No?
 
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gotti

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Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt


Feel free to talk numbers and we can have a conversation.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt


Feel free to talk numbers and we can have a conversation.

Oh good God! I knew this was going to happen...I would have to repeat myself, a few fans of a small-time trader would jump the bandwagon of an economic discussion their idol has romanticized ever since ex-Governor Eliot Spitzer came on TV

There's no need to talk numbers because we are not on a floor of a stock exchange or discussing ways to get involved in inside trading like Indians of Manhattan are so well at...edit: instead of "stock exchange", use "E-trade" because that's what it is, in your case

When you lack the mental capacity to understand the most basic of concepts people need to break it down for you, so I'll do that for you and your fan in the same post.

1) The Western-style, systemic, statistical methods of economics cannot apply to Pakistan in any way, shape or form since Pakistan's economy is not documented...it's a banana republic...one year they have billions in their foreign reserves (mainly, due to money laundry and not remittances!) and the other, well who knows? so when it comes to Pakistan, Moody's or S&P or whoever does not apply (N/A to them, all)...but I don't expect either of you to understand that

2) The banks will have to lend to Pakistan's Gov't because it is in their interest since they are part of the country in which they are an institution and in order to survive, they will need the government to survive, whether Moody's likes it or not. If we had your way, the banks would not lend and the whole country's economy would collapse...but it's not like you are a bureaucrat or someone working in that sector who would understand how the needs of a third world nation's economy work...

Once again...Moody's as a credit ratings agency has no affect on Pakistani banks...if Pakistan is junk...the banks don't care...they don't have a market-reach beyond Pakistan, anyway...maybe, the ever-growing, expansive economy of the great Tajikistan, :lol:....the banks were lending even during sanctions and were heavily invested in many other ways in governmental projects...and let's not forget the banks of the military who are good at funding espionage projects on guess who? their own parliament...they are no different than China, in their secrecy...

...Again, our economy has no commonality between what happened in the US where banks were making risky decisions and given their large stature, it was important for them to survive on government bailouts...our banks, well, are called banks...but that's about it...we don't even have tellers that start work on time at branches and most of them steal from you as you withdraw and others, after someone withdraws anywhere from a daily wage to a month's salary, rob you in collab. of other staff employee-turned-day-time robbers (just like you went from low-level management to a day-time trader...see the difference?...).....

2) Calling me a fool doesn't necessarily respond to any of the things I said or the fact that you are trying to make a name for yourself as a Financial expert on a forum where people can barely speak English...but then again, it's not like you have an MBA or any other qualification, which would justify you having a job, playing golf or hitting the bar with colleagues from work...so, this is the best you can do, discussing economics on a ".pk" forum...in Urdu we call it "andhon mein kana raja"

3) So my Boiler Room-watching friend, here's the deal...there is no entrepreneurial activity in Pakistan...the banking sector cannot be blamed and neither can the government...yes, there is rampant corruption but there is also no economy from which taxes are to be collected...agriculture alone cannot fund the growing needs of a protection-free love-making population...

4) I understand that you want to preach about the virtues of free-market capitalism to the people of the third world but you have to understand that the credit-based economy in Pakistan failed because the Western model does not apply, neither does Marxism or micro-financing of Grameen Bank, our nation's growth is not even accurately reflected in it's GDP or GNP or whatever methods ending with a P, unless it's PPP (referring to the political party) because in Pakistan, the only source of wealth for anyone is when they are in power and scamming state institutions for funds....
 

VoteME

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oooooooooooooo he did the boiler room thingy... no he didn't (clap). Above comment definitely needs an assertive response. btw i m just an observer.
 

sahiL

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Can you guys talk more about inside trading because i gotta write an essay on this topic....your ideas will be appreciated
 
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gotti

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Can you guys talk more about inside trading because i gotta write an essay on this topic....your ideas will be appreciated

Hi Kiddo,

This is how insider-trading works....

imagine you were a CEO at a big corporation that went Public...had an IPO or in other words, went public so people can buy it's shares in the stock market/exchange...

now imagine, on the board, you have an Indian who, by being on the board, is privy to all the details of the company, by default...but because he is an Indian and is a penny-pincher, buried his money in his backyard and will never spend it on anything (not even soap...shampoo is a long-shot)...you need the guy's money...he stinks up the whole board room, tries to manipulate people to buy him coffee but you don't have a choice cuz as we say...zaroorat parnay par, ghaday ko bhi baap bana na parta hai...

so now imagine, there's good news coming at the end of the quarter when the company will share it's balance sheet with the public and it will post profits...but the issue is, the Indian, who couldn't be trusted, went and told his other Indian friend who is a day-trader (buys and sells shares) a few weeks in advance...

why did they do that? so they can both make more money and shove it in their mattresses, lockers, and wherever else... munshi/bunya-style

now...that Indian trader friend will buy shares of your company before the news comes out at a lower rate...because when the news comes out, the share prices go up when the market reacts positively....

so now, that indian friend made profit...and shared that profit with the original indian guy who was on the board...and therefore, we have an illegal money-making scam that took place called "insider-trading", an "insider" was involved...

Now you might be wondering...why would he do that? he was already on the board, the other guy was trading...they were making so much money...why would they risk everything for some petty change on the side? well, this is precisely why Indians are special....

References: Raj Rajaratnam, Rajat Gupta

Hope this helps
 

Keepinformed

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It puts the butter on and presses the button.

3 minutes later...the machine starts making a crackling sound.

It turns off the machine and takes out the box.

It opens the browser, pokes the ".pk" and starts enjoying...

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AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
I think you are right. Laws of Gravity dont apply to Pakistan or Pakistanis.

Whatever happens in the West, that's West's problem. Pakistan need not follow. Its better to discover than follow. Reason why I come here is to share a thing or two about Pakistani Economy to Pakistani which I know their media incapable of covering. Those people who you look down upon (those that cant speak Urdu), are the audience I am trying to approach. The media, the Academia, heck even many of the Islamic Scholars are in with the Govt.

You say that if Banks dont lend to the Govt, the economy will crash. Like seriously? What part of the Pakistan economy hasnt crashed yet? (other than the public sector?) So is it safe to assume you're for the public sector? You surely cant have it both ways right?

I dont wanna see the Govt financial prosper. I wanna see it suffer. I wanna see the offsprings of these bureaucrats suffer. I want Pakistan to default on it's sovereign debt. I want to see doors of Financial assistance closed on the PK Govt. When you stop feeding the beast, it gets weaker. When its weak enough, you do not even have to fight it!


And no... I didnt call you a fool. I quoted Lincoln. Hope you enjoyed it!



Oh good God! I knew this was going to happen...I would have to repeat myself, a few fans of a small-time trader would jump the bandwagon of an economic discussion their idol has romanticized ever since ex-Governor Eliot Spitzer came on TV

There's no need to talk numbers because we are not on a floor of a stock exchange or discussing ways to get involved in inside trading like Indians of Manhattan are so well at...edit: instead of "stock exchange", use "E-trade" because that's what it is, in your case

When you lack the mental capacity to understand the most basic of concepts people need to break it down for you, so I'll do that for you and your fan in the same post.

1) The Western-style, systemic, statistical methods of economics cannot apply to Pakistan in any way, shape or form since Pakistan's economy is not documented...it's a banana republic...one year they have billions in their foreign reserves (mainly, due to money laundry and not remittances!) and the other, well who knows? so when it comes to Pakistan, Moody's or S&P or whoever does not apply (N/A to them, all)...but I don't expect either of you to understand that

2) The banks will have to lend to Pakistan's Gov't because it is in their interest since they are part of the country in which they are an institution and in order to survive, they will need the government to survive, whether Moody's likes it or not. If we had your way, the banks would not lend and the whole country's economy would collapse...but it's not like you are a bureaucrat or someone working in that sector who would understand how the needs of a third world nation's economy work...

Once again...Moody's as a credit ratings agency has no affect on Pakistani banks...if Pakistan is junk...the banks don't care...they don't have a market-reach beyond Pakistan, anyway...maybe, the ever-growing, expansive economy of the great Tajikistan, :lol:....the banks were lending even during sanctions and were heavily invested in many other ways in governmental projects...and let's not forget the banks of the military who are good at funding espionage projects on guess who? their own parliament...they are no different than China, in their secrecy...

...Again, our economy has no commonality between what happened in the US where banks were making risky decisions and given their large stature, it was important for them to survive on government bailouts...our banks, well, are called banks...but that's about it...we don't even have tellers that start work on time at branches and most of them steal from you as you withdraw and others, after someone withdraws anywhere from a daily wage to a month's salary, rob you in collab. of other staff employee-turned-day-time robbers (just like you went from low-level management to a day-time trader...see the difference?...).....

2) Calling me a fool doesn't necessarily respond to any of the things I said or the fact that you are trying to make a name for yourself as a Financial expert on a forum where people can barely speak English...but then again, it's not like you have an MBA or any other qualification, which would justify you having a job, playing golf or hitting the bar with colleagues from work...so, this is the best you can do, discussing economics on a ".pk" forum...in Urdu we call it "andhon mein kana raja"

3) So my Boiler Room-watching friend, here's the deal...there is no entrepreneurial activity in Pakistan...the banking sector cannot be blamed and neither can the government...yes, there is rampant corruption but there is also no economy from which taxes are to be collected...agriculture alone cannot fund the growing needs of a protection-free love-making population...

4) I understand that you want to preach about the virtues of free-market capitalism to the people of the third world but you have to understand that the credit-based economy in Pakistan failed because the Western model does not apply, neither does Marxism or micro-financing of Grameen Bank, our nation's growth is not even accurately reflected in it's GDP or GNP or whatever methods ending with a P, unless it's PPP (referring to the political party) because in Pakistan, the only source of wealth for anyone is when they are in power and scamming state institutions for funds....
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Do it on LIBOR. That scam gives a whole new meaning to the term "INSIDE TRADING" . You'll find a bunch of info on ZEROHEDGE. Lemme know if you got questions.
Can you guys talk more about inside trading because i gotta write an essay on this topic....your ideas will be appreciated
 
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gotti

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I think you are right. Laws of Gravity dont apply to Pakistan or Pakistanis.

Whatever happens in the West, that's West's problem. Pakistan need not follow. Its better to discover than follow. Reason why I come here is to share a thing or two about Pakistani Economy to Pakistani which I know their media incapable of covering. Those people who you look down upon (those that cant speak Urdu), are the audience I am trying to approach. The media, the Academia, heck even many of the Islamic Scholars are in with the Govt.

You say that if Banks dont lend to the Govt, the economy will crash. Like seriously? What part of the Pakistan economy hasnt crashed yet? (other than the public sector?) So is it safe to assume you're for the public sector? You surely cant have it both ways right?

I dont wanna see the Govt financial prosper. I wanna see it suffer. I wanna see the offsprings of these bureaucrats suffer. I want Pakistan to default on it's sovereign debt. I want to see doors of Financial assistance closed on the PK Govt. When you stop feeding the beast, it gets weaker. When its weak enough, you do not even have to fight it!


And no... I didnt call you a fool. I quoted Lincoln. Hope you enjoyed it!

Thank you for your well thought-out response. Not quite sure how you came to the conclusion that I look down upon those who can't speak Urdu; I made it very clear that I look down upon everyone, anyone.

And I am grateful that you were so prudent in clarifying that the quote was from Lincoln. How about you start quoting the Gettysburg address and I'll post pictures of myself wearing a "don't tread on me" T-shirt in yellow with a confederate flag in the background. In that case, we won't know the different between the star-spangled banner and the one made for Siasat.pk with minar-e-Pakistan.

Once again, we have delved into a debate that fails to address logic. Pakistan, made clear in the previous post, is a banana republic. You can't have a public vs. private, either or kind of scenario that applies to the states. State economies always need to have a mixture of the two. Even in this election, the public vs. private debate is nonsensical.

The same election in which you will be voting democrat, (because let's face it, the 2nd amendment doesn't do you any favors, they won't let you buy guns...cuz at the end of the day...u still carry the "birthstain" of being a Pakistani....:lol:).

I'm referring to the hiring firemen n teachers vs. tax-cuts debate. Remember? No, you were busy with the hustler magazine...god bless Larry Flynt, god bless America...

The fact is this: nothing will ever come out of Pakistan unless there is innovation, not the kind in religion, because as we all know...that'll get you laid out ;)

I mean a silicon-valley-esque innovation, which is unlike India where they are just doing jobs outsourced (euphemism for doing dirt-cheap labor) from America. There is no innovation in India.

I am talking about helping start-ups, giving youth the opportunity and the infrastructure, to come up with ideas and implement them into businesses and have their ends covered if they were to fail, so they don't have to worry about failure, which usually hinders in the process of creative thinking...There will be failures, but the fact is, not every idea makes it. You'll get some level of success if you were to have 1000s of ideas out of which, at least one makes it big.

Remember, it is always the small-to-medium sized businesses that run the economy and Pakistan does not have any except for small-time, corner-store-style shop owners who barely make ends meet.

We need entrepreneurs...right now, most of the youth is worrying about getting admitted to the college that will please their parents the most...the same parents who are from the generation that did not think past becoming career-oriented individuals...it is the same parents, the baby boomer-equivalent in America...I'd say the baby-Bhutto's, because let's face it, the only "boom" Pakistan ever had was in Chaghi.

If the mindset was to change, innovation and creativity is to get appreciated by the families of Pakistanis who value education so much, Pakistan could most definitely outgrow others, like Iran in technology, science and business (not like there's any business there, though)...

Let's take you as an example...your family hated you for not being a medical doctor, or even get an undergrad degree because you chose to be an innovator in becoming a regular on Siasat.pk...which, in turn, caused people outside your family to hate you, as well...because, for the first time people outside your family got to know you...

It's funny how you're playing the..."i support the poor" or "i am the people's man" card when we both know that you have an elitist mindset...you're like that self-hating black guy who gets out of the projects to try to make it with the whitey but when things take a turn for the worst...he calls Jesse...but...that won't work in your case; however, maybe CAIR? No, they are more of an arab group...you're screwed, my friend...
 

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