Orya Maqbool Jan's Critical Analysis On Madrasa Reforms Hinted By DG-ISPR

[Mubashir120]

 

[CANSUK]

Worldly education is important I’ve listen to different countries religious scholars they all are agreed.
LUMS should also provide religious education likewise.
Politicians did nothing since last 35 years that’s why Army needs to take up some social issues which is embedded in law n’order situation in Pakistan.
e.g Hamid mir and Talat Hussain said Dam isn’t the work of CJP however, they both fail to understand that politicians failed completely. Saqib Nisar creates awareness among masses what’s wrong in it.
If state hang Nawazardari and his companions friends like Hamid mir and Talat Hussain Our country will flourish without any doubt.
China model is the best. Love it and we must adopt it as soon as possible.

 

[Dr Adam]

Worldly education is important I’ve listen to different countries religious scholars they all are agreed.
LUMS should also provide religious education likewise.
Politicians did nothing since last 35 years that’s why Army needs to take up some social issues which is embedded in law n’order situation in Pakistan.
e.g Hamid mir and Talat Hussain said Dam isn’t the work of CJP however, they both fail to understand that politicians failed completely. Saqib Nisar creates awareness among masses what’s wrong in it.
If state hang Nawazardari and his companions friends like Hamid mir and Talat Hussain Ourccountry will flourish without any doubt.
China model is the best. Love it and we must adopt it as soon as possible.

آپکے کہنے سے متفق ہوں

ایک اور بہت بڑا مسلہء میری نظر میں یہ ہے کہ مُلک میں جو پریس کانفرنسِس ہوتی ہیں

اُن میں مُلک کے جَیّد، محبِ وطن صحافی حضرات جِنکا تمام عمر مطمع نظر مُلک و قوم کی بہتری اور

معاشرے کی اصلاح رہا ہے اور جو ہر طرح کی باریک بینؤں سے واقف ہوتے ہیں اور اُنہیں

بخوبی سمجھتے ہیں اُنہیں سِرے سے مدعو کرنے کی ضرورت ہی نہیں سمجھی جاتی

بس ٹَٹ پونجئیے قسم کے بکاؤ حامد میر ، سلیم صافی ، طلعت حسین جیسے کمپلیکسِس

کے مارے ہوے جِنکی مُلک سے وفا تک مشکوک ہے اُنہیں بُلا کر اگلی سیٹوں پر بِٹھا دیتے

ہیں اور یہ بکاؤ ملکی مفادات کا ادراک اور خیال کئے بغیر عقلِ کُل بن کر جو مُنہ میں آۓ بَکی جاتے

ہیں اور غیر مُلکی جو اِسی تاڑ میں بیٹھے ہوتے ہیں اُن چیزوں کو پکڑ کر سیاق و سباق سے ہٹ کر ملک

اور فوج پر تہمت بازی شروع ہو جاتے ہیں

یہ بہت، بہت امپورٹنٹ موضوع تھا اِسپر صرف پاکستان سے محبت کرنے والے عمر رسیدہ

صحافیوں کو بلانا چاہئے تھا . اوّل تو وہ اِن صافی اور میر جیسے ہرامخوروں کی طرح کے کنجرانہ سوال

نہیں کرتے اور اگر کوئی ایسا جواب شروع ہو بھی جائے تو وہ مُلکی مفاد کا ادراک کرتے ہوۓ

اپنے تجربے کو بروۓ کار لاتے ہوۓ فوراً موضوع کو صحیح سمت میں ڈال دیتے ہیں

.یہی بنیادی فرق ہے تجربہ کار محبِ وطن صحافیوں میں اور اِن کنجروں میں​

 

[Oldwish]

It's a very simple thing DG-SP job is defence and if such elements are found then expose them and take action. But he has absolutely no right to dictate the whole state. Why should we accept him as the supreme religious authority and hand him over the most important part of our life. He is way out of his domain.
The argument he presented is silly. Less than a 100 madrasa teaching extreme things so we are taking over 30 thousand.

 

[Khan125]

آپکے کہنے سے متفق ہوں

ایک اور بہت بڑا مسلہء میری نظر میں یہ ہے کہ مُلک میں جو پریس کانفرنسِس ہوتی ہیں

اُن میں مُلک کے جَیّد، محبِ وطن صحافی حضرات جِنکا تمام عمر مطمع نظر مُلک و قوم کی بہتری اور

معاشرے کی اصلاح رہا ہے اور جو ہر طرح کی باریک بینؤں سے واقف ہوتے ہیں اور اُنہیں

بخوبی سمجھتے ہیں اُنہیں سِرے سے مدعو کرنے کی ضرورت ہی نہیں سمجھی جاتی

بس ٹَٹ پونجئیے قسم کے بکاؤ حامد میر ، سلیم صافی ، طلعت حسین جیسے کمپلیکسِس

کے مارے ہوے جِنکی مُلک سے وفا تک مشکوک ہے اُنہیں بُلا کر اگلی سیٹوں پر بِٹھا دیتے

ہیں اور یہ بکاؤ ملکی مفادات کا ادراک اور خیال کئے بغیر عقلِ کُل بن کر جو مُنہ میں آۓ بَکی جاتے

ہیں اور غیر مُلکی جو اِسی تاڑ میں بیٹھے ہوتے ہیں اُن چیزوں کو پکڑ کر سیاق و سباق سے ہٹ کر ملک

اور فوج پر تہمت بازی شروع ہو جاتے ہیں

یہ بہت، بہت امپورٹنٹ موضوع تھا اِسپر صرف پاکستان سے محبت کرنے والے عمر رسیدہ

صحافیوں کو بلانا چاہئے تھا . اوّل تو وہ اِن صافی اور میر جیسے ہرامخوروں کی طرح کے کنجرانہ سوال

نہیں کرتے اور اگر کوئی ایسا جواب شروع ہو بھی جائے تو وہ مُلکی مفاد کا ادراک کرتے ہوۓ

اپنے تجربے کو بروۓ کار لاتے ہوۓ فوراً موضوع کو صحیح سمت میں ڈال دیتے ہیں

.یہی بنیادی فرق ہے تجربہ کار محبِ وطن صحافیوں میں اور اِن کنجروں میں​

Sawal ye hey k kia intellectuals ko shamil kia gaya plan bnatey wakt?
Hmareey universities me hr field k experst bethey hain KIA KBI RIAST idaroon ne un se raey lena gawara kia?
Ye FA BA paas log kion awam ko policy parh k sunatey hain?
Is mulk ki intelligentsia ko kion nhi shamil kiya jata policy decisions me?
Kia ab 2 takkey k nakamy bikao sahafi mulki policy pe raey dengey?
DGISPR sahab ne khud nhi btaya k ye policy bnaney me unhn ne kion nhi educationist, intellectuals ko onboard lia?

 

[insouciant]

LUMS is a university!!! The university's academic board makes its curriculum.. no external body can dictate it!! If you have problem with LUMs curriculum then dont join it.

Madrassa education is equivalent to secondary education and hence the MoE should determine its curriculum!!

This extremist Orya is just pleasing his extremist supporters which is largely his viewership base!!

Worldly education is important I’ve listen to different countries religious scholars they all are agreed.
LUMS should also provide religious education likewise.
Politicians did nothing since last 35 years that’s why Army needs to take up some social issues which is embedded in law n’order situation in Pakistan.
e.g Hamid mir and Talat Hussain said Dam isn’t the work of CJP however, they both fail to understand that politicians failed completely. Saqib Nisar creates awareness among masses what’s wrong in it.
If state hang Nawazardari and his companions friends like Hamid mir and Talat Hussain Our country will flourish without any doubt.
China model is the best. Love it and we must adopt it as soon as possible.

 

[insouciant]

It's a valid question!! But its for the opposition to be asking this in the education committee in parliament. Neither, you or I!!

But the opposition has only. cared for their businesses and is also today only interested in ABBU and CORRUPTION bachao campaigns! So this government is having a SMOOTH ride!!

Sawal ye hey k kia intellectuals ko shamil kia gaya plan bnatey wakt?
Hmareey universities me hr field k experst bethey hain KIA KBI RIAST idaroon ne un se raey lena gawara kia?
Ye FA BA paas log kion awam ko policy parh k sunatey hain?
Is mulk ki intelligentsia ko kion nhi shamil kiya jata policy decisions me?
Kia ab 2 takkey k nakamy bikao sahafi mulki policy pe raey dengey?
DGISPR sahab ne khud nhi btaya k ye policy bnaney me unhn ne kion nhi educationist, intellectuals ko onboard lia?

 

[Oldwish]

LUMS is a university!!! The university's academic board makes its curriculum.. no external body can dictate it!! If you have problem with LUMs curriculum then dont join it.

Madrassa education is equivalent to secondary education and hence the MoE should determine its curriculum!!

This extremist Orya is just pleasing his extremist supporters which is largely his viewership base!!

And that makes you an expert and authority right?

 

[Oldwish]

LUMS is a university!!! The university's academic board makes its curriculum.. no external body can dictate it!! If you have problem with LUMs curriculum then dont join it.

Madrassa education is equivalent to secondary education and hence the MoE should determine its curriculum!!

This extremist Orya is just pleasing his extremist supporters which is largely his viewership base!!

And that makes you an expert and authority right?

 

[CANSUK]

LUMS is a university!!! The university's academic board makes its curriculum.. no external body can dictate it!! If you have problem with LUMs curriculum then dont join it.

Madrassa education is equivalent to secondary education and hence the MoE should determine its curriculum!!

This extremist Orya is just pleasing his extremist supporters which is largely his viewership base!!

I understand LUMS is a university and they have their own board but their is a university commission or you can make one to stream line the system. I just gave a example of LUMS however, it should applied to schools,colleges. universities, IBAs or make it until grade 12 compulsory as Pakistan is a Islamic country. Why we have problems with Islamic education.
So if I say if you have a problem with madrasas then don’t go their leave them alone why Army is worried then it’s not the right answer.
LUMS,IBA and NCA should have some Islamic education to control their so called liberalism. In Islamic democratic of Pakistan.

 

[Khan125]

It's a valid question!! But its for the opposition to be asking this in the education committee in parliament. Neither, you or I!!

But the opposition has only. cared for their businesses and is also today only interested in ABBU and CORRUPTION bachao campaigns! So this government is having a SMOOTH ride!!

I being a citizen of Pakistan can ask questions this is my basic democratic right.

 

[Khan125]

I understand LUMS is a university and they have their own board but their is a university commission or you can make one to stream line the system. I just gave a example of LUMS however, it should applied to schools,colleges. universities, IBAs or make it until grade 12 compulsory as Pakistan is a Islamic country. Why we have problems with Islamic education.
So if I say if you have a problem with madrasas then don’t go their leave them alone why Army is worried then it’s not the right answer.
LUMS,IBA and NCA should have some Islamic education to control their so called liberalism. In Islamic democratic of Pakistan.

Primarily its the job of the state to educate its citizens.
Kisi ko b ye allow nhi kia ja sakta k vo aisee taleem de k jiski vaja se vo students riasat me masail paida krney ka bais bnain.
Haan ye zroore hey k faisla krney se pehley us field k experts ko zrore involve kia jaey. Sarey pros and cons ko discuss kia jaey ore phir clear vision k sath policy bnaee jaey....
Ye na ho k baad me koi aiteraz uthaey to us wkt hm sochain acha ab kia jawab dain? Every possible aspect shd be discussed in detail. B4 anouncing it as a policy.
Ore policy announce krna FAUJ ka nhi ministry of education ya mazhab ki ministry ka kaam tha. Fauj ko security tk hi mehdood rakhain. Ta k unka focus unki basic job pe rahey.

 

[insouciant]

I being a citizen of Pakistan can ask questions this is my basic democratic right.

Exercising your basic democratic right on siasat.pk won't get you education reforms that you wish to seek. For that you need to exercise your right on the public representative who can be your voice at the right forum!

Yes, if your intent of asking questions here was just time pass or self-flaunting, then.. carry-on!!

 

[Khan125]

Exercising your basic democratic right on siasat.pk won't get you education reforms that you wish to seek. For that you need to exercise your right on the public representative who can be your voice at the right forum!

Yes, if your intent of asking questions here was just time pass or self-flaunting, then.. carry-on!!

According to your logic you shd stop using social media and this forum. Ja k bakrian charao, faisly to parliamentarians ne krney hain tumharey internet pe comment krney se kis frk parta hey.

 

[CANSUK]

Primarily its the job of the state to educate its citizens.
Kisi ko b ye allow nhi kia ja sakta k vo aisee taleem de k jiski vaja se vo students riasat me masail paida krney ka bais bnain.
Haan ye zroore hey k faisla krney se pehley us field k experts ko zrore involve kia jaey. Sarey pros and cons ko discuss kia jaey ore phir clear vision k sath policy bnaee jaey....
Ye na ho k baad me koi aiteraz uthaey to us wkt hm sochain acha ab kia jawab dain? Every possible aspect shd be discussed in detail. B4 anouncing it as a policy.
Ore policy announce krna FAUJ ka nhi ministry of education ya mazhab ki ministry ka kaam tha. Fauj ko security tk hi mehdood rakhain. Ta k unka focus unki basic job pe rahey.

I think he was not announcing policies he was answering the question and mentioned the root cause and politicians completely fail here that’s why Army raises this issue. Like people have problems that why CJP saqib Nisar working on dam cuss politicians completely missed this water issue since last 40 yrs, so saqib Nisar gives awareness to people, no harm in it.

 

[insouciant]

Education upto the higher secondary level i.e. Grade 12 is considered the responsibility of the state in every civilized country. Hence State overseas curriculum / enrollment etc. through their ministry of education. Human brain is comsidered very maleable until you are 18. Hence, you can't leave madrassa alone as i've explained earlier its considered equivalent to secondary education in our system.

However, above 18 no where in the world the state bounds your curriculum. You are considered adult enough to freely develop your individual personality since you already have a strong educational base to help you differentiate right from wrong and lead a responsible life!! So saying that universaties need to be controlled is utter preposterous. It'll kill the very basis of their existence!!

I understand LUMS is a university and they have their own board but their is a university commission or you can make one to stream line the system. I just gave a example of LUMS however, it should applied to schools,colleges. universities, IBAs or make it until grade 12 compulsory as Pakistan is a Islamic country. Why we have problems with Islamic education.
So if I say if you have a problem with madrasas then don’t go their leave them alone why Army is worried then it’s not the right answer.
LUMS,IBA and NCA should have some Islamic education to control their so called liberalism. In Islamic democratic of Pakistan.

 

[insouciant]

According to your logic you shd stop using social media and this forum. Ja k bakrian charao, faisly to parliamentarians ne krney hain tumharey internet pe comment krney se kis frk parta hey.

I'm here educating you on social media

Inshallah tmhe faraq parega!!??

Ab dill chota kr k insecure na hojaana!!

All i'm saying is your questions were valid but you won't achieve anything writing them here. Haan if you had said BC ye opposition ya anchors ye sawaal kyun nai pochte, i would have 100% agreed with you! K bund maaro dono ki!!

 

[Khan125]

I think he was not announcing policies he was answering the question and mentioned the root cause and politicians completely fail here that’s why Army raises this issue. Like people have problems that why CJP saqib Nisar working on dam cuss politicians completely missed this water issue since last 40 yrs, so saqib Nisar gives awareness to people, no harm in it.

Ye itni bachgana baat nhi, its very serious thing.
Saqib nisar ko jb insaf ki msnad pe bithaya gaya tha us wkt vo dam bna raha tha ab kider hey vo? Ab bnaey na dam.... joker kaheen ka.
Army also failed very badly thats why we suffered 80000 deaths. But they wd never accept that.
Army had given NRO to zrdari......
Army had brought nawaz shareef into politics...
Ye 2 namooney aasman se farishtoon ne nhi bhejey they.... in choron ko hm pe army ne hi musallat kia tha. So whenever someone attacks poloticians he snd keep this background in mind.
Question is kia hm apni ghaltion se seekhain gey ya nhi?
Aaj kion 2 chore itney mzboot ho gaey k hmarey idarey unhain jail me nhi dal saktey?
Jb mulk k sarey idaroon k bera ghark kia ja raha tha us wkt kion khamoshi?
Zardari ore shareefoon ne kia corruption 2007 k baad se start ki, pehley ye naik parsa they?
Kion inkey khilaaf koi corruption case musharraf ne nhi chalaya?
Usey apna iqtedar aziz tha, Pakistan ki looteron me se aik se us ne deal kr lee dusrey ko NRO de dia....?
Aadha sach nhi poora sach bolna hoga. Hmsra mulk ab in blunders ka mutahamil nhi ho sakta jo mazey me hotey rahey.
Sabko apni ghaltian drust krni hongee.

 

[Khan125]

I'm here educating you on social media

Inshallah tmhe faraq parega!!??

Ab dill chota kr k insecure na hojaana!!

All i'm saying is your questions were valid but you won't achieve anything writing them here. Haan if you had said BC ye opposition ya anchors ye sawaal kyun nai pochte, i would have 100% agreed with you! K bund maaro dono ki!!

Jb koi logical jawab nhi to mirasion vali jugtain.... jo mntak dosrn k liey paish kro us pe pehly khud aml kr lia karo....

 

[Dr Adam]

Sawal ye hey k kia intellectuals ko shamil kia gaya plan bnatey wakt?
Hmareey universities me hr field k experst bethey hain KIA KBI RIAST idaroon ne un se raey lena gawara kia?
Ye FA BA paas log kion awam ko policy parh k sunatey hain?
Is mulk ki intelligentsia ko kion nhi shamil kiya jata policy decisions me?
Kia ab 2 takkey k nakamy bikao sahafi mulki policy pe raey dengey?
DGISPR sahab ne khud nhi btaya k ye policy bnaney me unhn ne kion nhi educationist, intellectuals ko onboard lia?

?دا جواب نِشتہ ​