[MENTION=26526]zhohaq[/MENTION]: Thanks for making me understand PTI's opinion on the Judges restoration issue, although you DO need to read some book on concise English writing. Also, you must be really idle for working so hard to construct a story of your liking from this mine of jumbled text.
I'll summarize your points and then will respond:
1:
"The specific plan was that PTI anf JI would stay in Islamabad and join the main Procession as it entered Islamabad. The Idea was a to topple the government by street power and have full restoration to SC, Free Election commision etc the same set of demands as APDM had before the elections.
This was Pakistans Tahrir square movement"
Now I get it. The only problem is that
the NAME of this movement was RESTORATION OF JUDICIARY, not toppling of government, and apparently, it was led by CJ Iftikhar Chaudhary, Supreme Court Bar Association, Lawyers Action Forum and provincial bar councils. THEY were to decide the POLICY for the movement, not PTI or Imran Khan.
I CHALLENGE you to produce an SCBA decision in which they had said that DHARNA WILL CONTINUE EVEN IF JUDGES ARE RESTORED, UNTIL END OF GOVERNMENT AND FRESH ELECTIONS. If you can not produce such a statement, ACCEPT that you WERE LYING.
1:
The lawyers movement, led by CJ and SCBA, NEVER had ANYTHING to do with removal of government.
2: The decision to call off the first dharna was made by Lawyer's Action Forum, and SCBA. ALL lawyers representatives, including Ali Kurd, Muneer Malik, Asma Jahangir, and presidents of bar councils MADE that decision and were HAPPY about it.
3:
PTI and JI, on the other hand, had a different agenda. Having missed the elections, PTI and JI now wanted to USE the momentum of Lawyers movement to overthrow the government and declare fresh elections. Now, either you BELIEVE in constitution or you do NOT. PTI DOES NOT! Never had PML-N made any promises to help PTI overthrow government. This was a government elected by the people and the only constitutional demand was a mid-term election.
In your desperation to prove a point, you have EXPOSED PTI's intentions to RIDE on lawyers movement to push its own agenda.
To summarise :
1.PML N was willing to negotiate CJ future with the Americans
2. They only joined Lawyers movement when Sharifs got Disqulaified and after Governor Rule.
3. They Stopped The Long March due to American and Military pressure without informing the APDM partners.
4. PML N can never ever be trusted.
Now I answr all your points, one by one.
1: So desperate you are that you removed SS's objections on CJ and put the word 'Americans' instead :) Firstly, Shahbaz Shareef and Saad Rafiq have been discordant voices inside PML-N, sometimes having their own opinions. Complete picture can only be understood by taking opinion from all the party politicians during the said period. There WERE voices inside PML-N that Justice Chaudhary would sometimes overstep his powers(which was later proved, when Supreme Court passed a 'resolution', first of its history, demanding govt. to give extension to a retiring judge.
http://www.dawn.com/2011/02/16/scba-chief-condemns-proposal-for-ramdays-extension.html )
But was there any personal gain CITED in the leak that you showed about CJ Iftikhar? NO.
Some party members might have expressed reservations about CJ's powers, but from 2007 to 2009, countless public statements have shown official party line. there was even a notion of minus one formula that was rejected by PML-N.
"Updated at: 0855 PST, Wednesday, August 20, 2008
NEW YORK:
An American newspaper has cited Pakistan Peoples Party co-Chairman Senator Asif Ali Zardari as saying that he has declined to reinstate deposed Chief Justice Iftekhar Muhammad Chaudhry.
The daily also claimed that on denial of reinstatement of deposed Chief Justice, PML-N Quaed Nawaz Sharif has placed an ultimatum for reinstatement and failing which the PML-N would smash the ruling coalition"
2:
They had RESIGNED from ministries before they were disqualified. Why do you think they did that? Your argument goes out of the window.
3: 'They' means SCBA, whose president was Ali Ahmad Kurd at that time? How do you know Aitzaz and Kiana even talked? Obviously, Aitzaz told that. But
what you choose to hide is that he later asked
CJ IFTIKHAR and other lawyers whether we should continue or not, and called off the dharna on their call. Either you believe in the WHOLE account or you don't.
For a second, let us accept that it was PML-N that stopped the march.
Did PML-N FORCE lawyers to go back and not proceed to Islamabad? Did it EVER force PTI or JI to end their own parallel 'movement to end government' ?
WHY DID PTI GO BACK? WHY DID LAWYERS CELEBRATE IF IT WAS A DEAL? Why did 7 committes of lawyers, and their provincial bar councils NEVER object on the restoration decision? AND WHY SHOULD all these people have supported PTI and JI in their agenda?
Last but not the least, PML-N leadrship is the only one that ASKS military questions about
OBL, Saleem Shehzad and Balochistan. PTI fears Kyani, and that is why, even when it is obvious it was Army's fault in these matters, never spoke a word against Army's mistakes.
