Citizen X
President (40k+ posts)
How can something be derived when it is not even in a person's frame of reference. If a 777 went back in time 2000 years ago and flew over a population. What do you think they will describe it as? A flying machine made by man or some giant shiny bird that flew very high and made a big roar?To clarify: I am not claim anything, I am rejecting the claim that Quran has divine origin. The person claiming Quran to be from outside our world is making the claim.
For that claim to be true we have to rule out the possibilities that:
1. The information in the Quran can be derived for early tafsirs (for example its not coming from a new tafsir which was written after science made the discovery)
2. That the information your are quoting was not available 1400 years ago.
3. That it was possible for Muhammad and his companions to get that information naturally from the stories and people they are influenced by
Now that we have that understanding I will let you pick one topic at a time and we can put it through those 3 criteria to see whether it has divine origin or not.
2 - If you have some text that predates the Quran containing this information then bring it forward. 100s of years later Galileo came up with the reflected light theory. It was a wide held belief that the sun orbited the moon before that many thought the Earth was flat. Man hadn't climbed any real high mountains that needed oxygen. The best diver couldn't dive more that a couple of dozen mtrs for him to know there is no light deep in the sea not was it possible as submarines didn't exist. Medical science only recently discovered pain
receptors in the skin
3- Since this information didn't exist there was no way for Mohammad to get it from anyone. Nor was he a know poet that he could compose such elegant prose