Kashmir- The valley of tears. An independent view-1

hassam

MPA (400+ posts)
August 16, 2010

Kashmir: Valley of Tears


SRINAGAR, India (AP) -- More than two decades of brutal warfare between largely Muslim separatist insurgents and largely Hindu Indian troops in this Himalayan region have left Kashmiris exhausted, traumatized and broken. The rate of suicide, once unthinkable in this Islamic society, has gone up 26-fold, from .5 per 100,000 before the insurgency to 13 per 100,000 now, according to Dr. Arshad Hussain, a Kashmiri psychiatrist. Drug abuse is epidemic. Depression, stress and mental illness are rampant. For more than 60 years, the stunning Kashmir valley has been a flashpoint for tensions and wars between rivals India and Pakistan, which both control part of it and lay claim to all of it. Despite the fierce fighting, the tight-knit Muslim families of Kashmir formed a durable safety net. That fell apart when a separatist insurgency erupted in 1989.​

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Kashmiri protesters shout slogans in Pampore, on the outskirts of Srinagar, India on July 21, 2010. AP / Mukhtar Khan

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A Kashmiri woman pleads with police officers to release her relative who was detained allegedly while playing cricket in a park during curfew in Srinagar, India on Friday, July 2, 2010. AP / Dar Yasin

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People walk in the halls of the Psychiatric Department of the Shri Maharaja Hari Singh (SMHS) Government Hospital in Srinagar, India on Aug. 12, 2010. AP / Altaf Qadri

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A man sits outside the Psychiatric Department of the Shri Maharaja Hari Singh (SMHS) Government Hospital in Srinagar, India Aug. 12, 2010. AP / Altaf Qadri

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Elderly men sit outside the Psychiatric Department of the Shri Maharaja Hari Singh (SMHS) Government Hospital in Srinagar, India on Aug. 12, 2010. AP / Altaf Qadri


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The daughter of Mohammad Asim, a civilian killed in a protest, cries as she reaches out from inside an ambulance outside a local hospital in Srinagar, India on July 30, 2010. AP / Dar Yasin

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Relatives of Iqbal Ahmed Khan, a Kashmiri who died from injuries after police fired weapons during a protest, wail during his funeral procession in Srinagar, India Aug. 4, 2010. AP / Dar Yasin

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Kashmiris jostle to get a registration ticket at Government Hospital for Psychiatric Diseases in Srinagar, India on Aug. 12, 2010. AP / Altaf Qadri

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Kashmiri protesters hit a burning government vehicle after they set it on fire during a protest at Barthana neighborhood in Srinagar, India on Aug. 4, 2010. AP / Dar Yasin

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Kashmiris sit outside the Psychiatric Department of the Shri Maharaja Hari Singh (SMHS) Government Hospital in Srinagar, India on Aug. 12, 2010. AP / Altaf Qadri
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Kashmiri muslim protesters shout pro-freedom slogans as they sit on the top of a vehicle, during an anti-India protest, in Srinagar on the first day of Ramadan on August 12, 2010. The fasting month of Ramadan looks set to be one of curfews, protests and hardship for Muslims in Indian Kashmir, which is experiencing a wave of popular unrest directed against Indian rule. AFP/Getty Images / Tauseef Mustafa
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Kashmiri protestors shout anti Indian slogans as an unseen Chairman of All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC) and chief priest Mirwaiz Umar Farooq leads an anti-India protest march from Kashmir's Jamia Masjid in Srinagar August 13, 2010. Tens of thousands of people participated in an anti-India march led by Farooq, Kashmir's chief cleric and a senior separatist leader. Jamia Masjid, Srinagar's main mosque was thrown open for Friday prayers for the first time after it was shut down for weeks by Indian forces. AFP/Getty Images / Tauseef Mustafa

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Kashmiri protesters throw stones towards Indian policemen during an anti-Indian protest, in downtown Srinagar, on August 13, 2010. AFP/Getty Images / Tauseef Mustafa

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A masked Kashmiri protester tries to hit a stone thrown at him by paramilitary soldiers with a block of wood, during a protest in Srinagar, India, Friday, Aug. 13, 2010. AP / Dar Yasin

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Kashmiri protesters run for cover as Indian paramilitary soldiers chase them during a protest in Srinagar, India, Friday, Aug. 13, 2010. AP / Dar Yasin

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Kashmiri protestors shout slogans during a demonstration in Srinagar, India, Sunday, Aug. 15, 2010. AP / Altaf Qadri

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An Indian paramilitary soldier prepares to fire tear smoke shell towards Kashmiri protestors during a clash in Srinagar, India, Sunday, Aug. 15, 2010. AP / Altaf Qadri

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An Indian paramilitary soldier, left, hurls back stones on Kashmiri protestors during a clash in Srinagar, India, Sunday, Aug. 15, 2010. AP / Altaf Qadri
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A Kashmiri Muslim woman walks past a wall painted with graffiti against India during a protest in Srinagar, India, Saturday, Aug. 14, 2010. AP / Dar Yasin

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An Indian paramilitary trooper stands guard in front of a graffiti in Srinagar during a curfew in Srinagar on August 9, 2010. AFP/ Getty Images / Tauseef Mustafa
 

hassam

MPA (400+ posts)
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Indian paramilitary soldiers question a hotel employee during a search operation on the eve of India's Independence day, in Srinagar, India, Saturday, Aug. 14, 2010. AP / Altaf Qadri

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A Kashmiri protester throws stones at Indian paramilitary soldiers during a protest in Srinagar, India, Friday, Aug. 13, 2010. AP / Dar Yasin

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Kashmiri Muslim women shout slogans during a protest in Srinagar, India, Saturday, Aug. 14, 2010. AP / Dar Yasin

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Kashmiri protestors shout slogans during a pro-freedom procession in Srinagar, India, Friday, Aug. 13, 2010. AP / Altaf Qadri

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A Kashmiri Muslim mourners shout slogans as the body of Shabir Ahamed Malik, who allegedly died in security force's firing is taken away from a hospital in Srinagar, India, AP / Mukhtar Khan

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Kashmiri Muslims carry a wounded man on a stretcher at a local hospital in Srinagar, India, Friday, Aug. 13, 2010. AP / Dar Yasin

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Unidentified women try to comfort the daughter of Ghulam Nabi Badyari, 50, during his funeral ceremony in Srinagar, India, Thursday, Aug. 5, 2010. AP / Altaf Qadri

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Kashmiri women shout slogans during the funeral of Farak Bukhari, a 17-year-old Kashmiri boy, in Keeri, some 35 kilometers (22 miles) north of Srinagar, India, Wednesday, Aug. 11, 2010. AP / Mukhtar Khan

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Relatives of Farak Bukhari, a 17-year-old Kashmiri boy, cry during his funeral in Kreeri, some 35 kilometers (22 miles) north of Srinagar, India, Wednesday, Aug. 11, 2010. AP / Mukhtar Khan

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Kashmiri Muslims confront Indian police officers during the funeral procession of Ghulam Nabi Badyari, 50, in Srinagar, India, Thursday, Aug. 5, 2010. AP / Altaf Qadri

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Kashmiri women shout slogans during the funeral procession of Ghulam Nabi Badyari, 50, in Srinagar, India, Thursday, Aug. 5, 2010. AP / Altaf Qadri

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Kashmiris watch a protest in Srinagar, India, Friday, Aug. 13, 2010. Tens of thousands of angry protesters rushed into the streets in Indian-controlled Kashmir on Friday after government forces killed four people and injured at least 12 others during protests against Indian rule in the disputed region, police said. AP / Mukhtar Khan

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Kashmiri protestors burn an effigy of Jammu and Kashmir chief minister Omar Abdullah during an anti-India protest in Srinagar on August 5, 2010. Security forces in Indian Kashmir fired tear-gas to disperse mourners at a funeral procession for one of the three latest victims of anti-India unrest in the disputed region. AFP/ Getty Images / Tauseef Mustafa

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A Kashmiri youth argues with an Indian policeman during a funeral procession in Srinagar on August 5, 2010. AFP/ Getty Images / STR

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A Kashmiri woman joins protesters in throwing stones at police in Srinagar. Young men have led street protests and stone-throwing in Kashmir during 20 years of rebellion, but now many females have joined them on July 30, 2010. AFP/ Getty Images / Tauseef Mustafa

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gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
thank you very much for posting it. Now we have to wait n see what replies do we get from Indian members??
 

bhasin_parveen

MPA (400+ posts)
Kashmir is the part of India.just do not worry about it,this is India;s Iternal problem .some people do not like India they can leave india or they can go to pakistan
 

hassam

MPA (400+ posts)
Kashmir is the part of India.just do not worry about it,this is India;s Iternal problem .some people do not like India they can leave india or they can go to pakistan

Time is very cruel Bhasin, remember to do as much zulm as much you can bear.
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Liberating Kashmir won't solve the problem when many others want to be separated from this British manufactured country.Pakistan/is must support all insurgencies within India until the entire land reverts to it's original position.
 

bhasin_parveen

MPA (400+ posts)
I know but tell these kashmiris not to throw stones on policemens Theyare just doing their job.when their life or other peoples life is in danger then they have no option so they have to fire. The govt has impossed kurfew their if something they do notlike just peacefully demonstrate .
 

Samyak

Citizen
Wishful thinking.

Pakistan neither has the money nor the resources to pull it off.

And India is much stronger today than it ever was.

Breaking India today is a pipe dream and unity in India is simply unbeatable, inspite of our differences.

For example : I'm a South Indian and oppose a lot of things that's done by other parts of India, but that doesn't mean I want independence.

And I think Pakistanis should stop listening to Zaid hamid and Gul and pull your dreams out of the pipes.
 

kuppuswamy

New Member
im a serving officer in Kashmir. i know these boys who throw stones. they are hired help, and get paid INR 250.00, with chicken biriyani and a quarter of whiskey every day to throw stones at us. But then, we really do not mind. It is the last desperate attempt by these kids, at the behest of their masters on an insurgency that is fast loosing steam.It was only yesterday that the shop keepers got real mad at the stone throwers for stopping their business and started throwing the same stones back. We are seriously thinking about bringing in water cannons, We will add a dye and an irritant to it. The dye does not easily wash off, and the irritant will make the boy itch for at least three hours. The mard-e-mujahideen from Pakistan and Afghanistan are fighting shy like young maids, to enter Kashmir now, simple reason, their rate of survival is reduced to 12 weeks. We used to first think that, The mujahideen are religious fighters, and are fighting for a cause. But we later understood that they are just like any civilian for whom fighting is a profession, and thats the end. Now only the real money desperate kids and mad religious types come in, and they are easy targets, for a professional army. So if you guys think that the Indian army is worried, at seeing these pictures, the answer is a big NO. We are paid to sacrifice our life for the security of our motherland and we will endure and if we loose it even our own women will not let us inside our homes. So we stay put. This jihadi drama might work in Scandinavia, or with poor Russian conscripts, but not with us. Read The prince by Machiavelli if you have time. Reliance on Mercenaries is in effective in long run. We are the only nation to endure insurgency for more than 50 years and still stay put, for example North east India. And one more thing about these mujahideen, i have interrogated a few. They are all from seriously damaged families and come with an abused childhood. They have killed and have no remorse about it. In a way, that part that responds to kindness and love are totally absent. in my younger days i thought they are full of devotion and love for god. But thats not the case at all. These are abused kids who will abuse others , because then alone will they feel a sense of self . Having such characters inside your country is quiet harmful. Now you guys the arm chaair mujaahids all having eaten well in the comfort of your homes, "type at will". GOOD BYE KIDS.
 

furry87

Senator (1k+ posts)
im a serving officer in Kashmir. i know these boys who throw stones. they are hired help, and get paid INR 250.00, with chicken biriyani and a quarter of whiskey every day to throw stones at us. But then, we really do not mind. It is the last desperate attempt by these kids, at the behest of their masters on an insurgency that is fast loosing steam.It was only yesterday that the shop keepers got real mad at the stone throwers for stopping their business and started throwing the same stones back. We are seriously thinking about bringing in water cannons, We will add a dye and an irritant to it. The dye does not easily wash off, and the irritant will make the boy itch for at least three hours. The mard-e-mujahideen from Pakistan and Afghanistan are fighting shy like young maids, to enter Kashmir now, simple reason, their rate of survival is reduced to 12 weeks. We used to first think that, The mujahideen are religious fighters, and are fighting for a cause. But we later understood that they are just like any civilian for whom fighting is a profession, and thats the end. Now only the real money desperate kids and mad religious types come in, and they are easy targets, for a professional army. So if you guys think that the Indian army is worried, at seeing these pictures, the answer is a big NO. We are paid to sacrifice our life for the security of our motherland and we will endure and if we loose it even our own women will not let us inside our homes. So we stay put. This jihadi drama might work in Scandinavia, or with poor Russian conscripts, but not with us. Read The prince by Machiavelli if you have time. Reliance on Mercenaries is in effective in long run. We are the only nation to endure insurgency for more than 50 years and still stay put, for example North east India. And one more thing about these mujahideen, i have interrogated a few. They are all from seriously damaged families and come with an abused childhood. They have killed and have no remorse about it. In a way, that part that responds to kindness and love are totally absent. in my younger days i thought they are full of devotion and love for god. But thats not the case at all. These are abused kids who will abuse others , because then alone will they feel a sense of self . Having such characters inside your country is quiet harmful. Now you guys the arm chaair mujaahids all having eaten well in the comfort of your homes, "type at will". GOOD BYE KIDS.


lol my my a pathetic army loser threatened by armchair mujahids...lol we can officially conclude that siasat is on the radar of the sad and merciless indian army. Good bye to you sir
 

Night-Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
im a serving officer in Kashmir. i know these boys who throw stones. they are hired help, and get paid INR 250.00, with chicken biriyani and a quarter of whiskey every day to throw stones at us. But then, we really do not mind. It is the last desperate attempt by these kids, at the behest of their masters on an insurgency that is fast loosing steam.It was only yesterday that the shop keepers got real mad at the stone throwers for stopping their business and started throwing the same stones back. We are seriously thinking about bringing in water cannons, We will add a dye and an irritant to it. The dye does not easily wash off, and the irritant will make the boy itch for at least three hours. The mard-e-mujahideen from Pakistan and Afghanistan are fighting shy like young maids, to enter Kashmir now, simple reason, their rate of survival is reduced to 12 weeks. We used to first think that, The mujahideen are religious fighters, and are fighting for a cause. But we later understood that they are just like any civilian for whom fighting is a profession, and thats the end. Now only the real money desperate kids and mad religious types come in, and they are easy targets, for a professional army. So if you guys think that the Indian army is worried, at seeing these pictures, the answer is a big NO. We are paid to sacrifice our life for the security of our motherland and we will endure and if we loose it even our own women will not let us inside our homes. So we stay put. This jihadi drama might work in Scandinavia, or with poor Russian conscripts, but not with us. Read The prince by Machiavelli if you have time. Reliance on Mercenaries is in effective in long run. We are the only nation to endure insurgency for more than 50 years and still stay put, for example North east India. And one more thing about these mujahideen, i have interrogated a few. They are all from seriously damaged families and come with an abused childhood. They have killed and have no remorse about it. In a way, that part that responds to kindness and love are totally absent. in my younger days i thought they are full of devotion and love for god. But thats not the case at all. These are abused kids who will abuse others , because then alone will they feel a sense of self . Having such characters inside your country is quiet harmful. Now you guys the arm chaair mujaahids all having eaten well in the comfort of your homes, "type at will". GOOD BYE KIDS.

These images are not for you bloody Indian. And you are another m/f pathetically indoctrinated kid. You have absolutely no idea of the resistance that Muslims offer. This war of attrition will bleed your entire country. Just 50 years have passed and you have concluded this war by flexing muscles --- loser ! You will die like a dog in Kashmir -- Insha Allah
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Wishful thinking.

Pakistan neither has the money nor the resources to pull it off.

And India is much stronger today than it ever was.

Breaking India today is a pipe dream and unity in India is simply unbeatable, inspite of our differences.

For example : I'm a South Indian and oppose a lot of things that's done by other parts of India, but that doesn't mean I want independence.

And I think Pakistanis should stop listening to Zaid hamid and Gul and pull your dreams out of the pipes.

If we can create Pakistan with the greatest mass movement in history then we can accomplish anything,ask your ancestors of how they once said creating Pakistan is impossible!.This proves that one needs sacrafice to create a new land,with so many insurgencies in India it will fall itself also remember that Delhi has no control over much of India especially the red corridor!

Zaid Hamid speaks from Islamic prophecy that you know nothing about reminding us that not only Pakistanis but many united Muslim armies will conquer India again!.Know your history that India has been ruled by the Moghul's and Brits for centuries,you've only been free for 63 years!

Doesn't matter what you want because many in the region want independence.