anwarali35
Voter (50+ posts)
God bless you all my pti brothers, he dont know who he is messing with.fazlu khota moti charbi wala gadha.lol
Imran khan committed blasphemy by calling fazl urrehman a 'munafiq' ... JUI(F)
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Phantu
MPA (400+ posts)
Chaloo G, according to FAZLOO:
- Altaf Hussain ko kuch kehna blasphemy hai...Hussain is par of his name.
- Ahmady bhi non-muslim nahien hain.....Ahmad is also a name of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH).
- All the criminals who has any name of Allah as part of there name are declared Holy Persons by POP-DIESAL e.g. Abdul Raheem, Mehmood ur Rehman...., They should set immediatly free, because it is blasphamus to put them in prison.
- Altaf Hussain ko kuch kehna blasphemy hai...Hussain is par of his name.
- Ahmady bhi non-muslim nahien hain.....Ahmad is also a name of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH).
- All the criminals who has any name of Allah as part of there name are declared Holy Persons by POP-DIESAL e.g. Abdul Raheem, Mehmood ur Rehman...., They should set immediatly free, because it is blasphamus to put them in prison.
Zulfi Khan
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Moulana Fazal Ur Rahman has committed a sin, " Calumny" by calling Imran Khan,
"an agent of the Jews" because Imran Khan can never Jews'agent.
Surah no.33:58 Admonishes Muslims, " And All those malign Muslim Men or Muslim Women
undeservedly, Bear the guilt of " Slander". In the light of this surah, Moulana is A Sinner of
Bhotaan.
"an agent of the Jews" because Imran Khan can never Jews'agent.
Surah no.33:58 Admonishes Muslims, " And All those malign Muslim Men or Muslim Women
undeservedly, Bear the guilt of " Slander". In the light of this surah, Moulana is A Sinner of
Bhotaan.
The Pakistani
Minister (2k+ posts)
Hahahaha Ministries do iss profitabl to isse chain ae ga..iss bar govt se bahar beth k iss ko har taraf apni mout nazar a rhi he..isse koi aisi chez nh mil rhi jis se ye govt ko blackmail kr skay..
Kami Xaman
Voter (50+ posts)
agar mein is B.C , M.C , kanjjer , ********* , chuutya , haraam zadey , dalle , ghaddar , munafiq , pitthu , k.u.t.t.e.y , gadhey , chawwal , hindu , fuzley ko kuch kahoon ga to admin mujhey ban kar dey gi , is liyey mein kuch nai keh sakta
haidhu80
MPA (400+ posts)
محترم بھائی،، ہوسکتا ہے ڈیزل کے پاس اچھے پوائنٹ ہو لیکن مجھے ہنسی آتی ہے ڈیزل کے قانونی ٹیم پر۔ عدالتیں ثبوت مانگتی ہے اور یہ ثبوت کہا سے لائے گا؟ اگر میں نے کوئی جرم کیا ہے کہیں پر بھی تو وہ اس ملک کے قانون کے مطابق مجھے سزا ملیگی نہ کہ کسی دوسرے ملک میں سوائے جنگی جرائم کے۔ تو اگر میں نے برطانیہ میں ایسا کام کیا ہے جو پاکستان میں غیر قانونی ہو تو اس پر مجھے سزا نہیں ہوسکتی، سزا کیا عدالت اس کو سنے گی بھی نہیں۔ ڈیزل کی باتیں سیاسی ہوسکتی ہیں اور وہ ڈرا بھی سکتا ہے لیکن قانونی طور پر اس کی کوئی حیثیت نہیں۔
Phantu
MPA (400+ posts)
I think Fazloo has 3 points here:
1. Imran Khan pays alimony or child support. Granted by the LA Court or is Ordered to pay.
2. Imran Khan visits his ex-Wife and children.
3. Imran Khan said things about Fazloo which can be held against his moral character.
The 1st point is the easiest to prove and the most damning. An illegitimate child. Granted Fazloo will not have evidence for it, however there is a thing where he can ask that the court FORCE Imran Khan to disclose this information if the judge believes Imran Khan may be withholding evidence. We call this a release of information. Imran Khan will be asked to Supply information. Within that Information there can be all the evidence that fazloo needs to nail him. Even a DNA sample can nail Imran Khan. ;)
Khair its pakistani courts we are talking about here. They take ages to ever do anything. More than likely the case will be dropped because fazloo's team just won't have the teeth to show. But they could if they just had the tenacity to push ahead.
Imran Khan has had questionable moral character from an Islamic perspective; I dunno how you can reconcile with his illegitimate love child in an Islamic fashion. And he doesn't come forward with that information, which leaves more doubt than it alleviates. If he has made mistakes, he should first and foremost Accept them, tell them. Own up to them. And then ask for forgiveness. Instead he just says its none of our business. Well if he is in public life, it IS our business. The Constitution MAKES it our business.
The remaining 2 points are all subjective. They will most likely just drop.
1. Imran Khan pays alimony or child support. Granted by the LA Court or is Ordered to pay.
2. Imran Khan visits his ex-Wife and children.
3. Imran Khan said things about Fazloo which can be held against his moral character.
The 1st point is the easiest to prove and the most damning. An illegitimate child. Granted Fazloo will not have evidence for it, however there is a thing where he can ask that the court FORCE Imran Khan to disclose this information if the judge believes Imran Khan may be withholding evidence. We call this a release of information. Imran Khan will be asked to Supply information. Within that Information there can be all the evidence that fazloo needs to nail him. Even a DNA sample can nail Imran Khan. ;)
Khair its pakistani courts we are talking about here. They take ages to ever do anything. More than likely the case will be dropped because fazloo's team just won't have the teeth to show. But they could if they just had the tenacity to push ahead.
Imran Khan has had questionable moral character from an Islamic perspective; I dunno how you can reconcile with his illegitimate love child in an Islamic fashion. And he doesn't come forward with that information, which leaves more doubt than it alleviates. If he has made mistakes, he should first and foremost Accept them, tell them. Own up to them. And then ask for forgiveness. Instead he just says its none of our business. Well if he is in public life, it IS our business. The Constitution MAKES it our business.
The remaining 2 points are all subjective. They will most likely just drop.
haidhu80
MPA (400+ posts)
Thanks brother for such a detailed reply and I respect your opinion but lets talk about the allegation and its consequences. Zina has always been done and even in the time of Prophet (SAW). Any decision made in any court of the world cannot be taken as a conclusive proof in Pakistani court because of the Jurisdiction and the procedure followed. Pakistan is an Islamic country and in these kind of cases Islamic law has to be followed.
وَالَّذِينَ يَرْمُونَ الْمُحْصَنَاتِ ثُمَّ لَمْ يَأْتُوا بِأَرْبَعَةِ شُهَدَاءَ فَاجْلِدُوهُمْ ثَمَانِينَ جَلْدَةً وَلَا تَقْبَلُوا لَهُمْ شَهَادَةً أَبَدًا ۚ وَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ
"And those who accuse chaste women and then do not produce four witnesses - lash them with eighty lashes and do not accept from them testimony ever after. And those are the defiantly disobedient"Its not only the allegation that someone has committed Zina but you have to prove it and if you don't prove it then punishment is there as well. As far as DNA is concern, DNA cannot be used as a conclusive proof for ZINA. It can taken as a circumstantial evidence but not the primary evidence. I wish Diesel goes for it coz to end this thing once for all.
You agreed to 2nd and 3rd point to no need to discuss them here.
Thanks.
haidhu80
MPA (400+ posts)
As far as asking the court to FORCE Imran Khan to give information, then in these cases burden of proof is on the complainant/Plaintiff. First he can't ask for it and if the court asks, it can only ask Imran Khan should give an affidavit that she is not his daughter and thats it. You don't get no information for this affidavit. Fazlo will increase only his FUZLA and nothing else. I know Imran Khan might have done it but he is a celebrity and if it was his child, then you wouldn't need courts to say it but media would have showed it and his alleged daughter not only get "maintenance" but she will get share in the property as well. In these cases western laws are very strict.
mujahidkhan
Senator (1k+ posts)
Moulana ko lag gye hain....
bachian tau us k paas theen, ihtelaam aap ko ho raha hay. ja kar ilaj karaiye, tapotap ji
A DNA will prove without a shadow of Any doubt if the girl is Imran Khan's or not. Once paternity is proven in this manner (Although the LA court already says Paternity has been established), it becomes irrelevant if you have 4 witness or 1 or none. The ONLY witness would be the girl's DNA itself. Islamic Law perhaps will let Imran Khan off the hook, however Pakistani Law does have a category for Zina where it can be still proven even if 4 witnesses are not there. And that is enough to remove him from contention.
Also DNA would NOT be circumstantial because we are not proving Rape. We are proving paternity of a child. This is NOT DNA from any bodily secretion. This is DNA from the child itself and Imran's own DNA. Once paternity is established; we can move into phase 2 which would involve if this child was a result of a legitimate union or illegitimate. But you first have to establish the girl is Imran's child. If I was a betting man, My money says its Imran's child. ;) He's been very evasive when this is brought up. Sounds like a man trying to put a lid on something. But again, that's just my opinion.
Btw. Why do you guys call Fazloo "Diesel" ? I am not privy to such terminologies in Pakistan so forgive my ignorance.
Also DNA would NOT be circumstantial because we are not proving Rape. We are proving paternity of a child. This is NOT DNA from any bodily secretion. This is DNA from the child itself and Imran's own DNA. Once paternity is established; we can move into phase 2 which would involve if this child was a result of a legitimate union or illegitimate. But you first have to establish the girl is Imran's child. If I was a betting man, My money says its Imran's child. ;) He's been very evasive when this is brought up. Sounds like a man trying to put a lid on something. But again, that's just my opinion.
Btw. Why do you guys call Fazloo "Diesel" ? I am not privy to such terminologies in Pakistan so forgive my ignorance.
I have been in US courts for over 15 years. Granted I was not part of paternity suits, I was more into IP infringement. We have successfully made the other party release information by the bucket loads if we so deemed they have evidence that is being withheld. All you need to do is convince the presiding judge that Imran Khan may have information that is needed to prove paternity of this child. You play your court game in phases. The first phase is release of Information from the defendant. An Affidavit is hardly any real evidence. I would present the LA court's verdict which went in favor of the late Sita White. Granted that has no jurisdiction here in Pakistan and we are not asking the Pakistani court to uphold that verdict. However in light of such a case being completed, one could technically argue that Tyrian is not getting her rightful Islamic rights under Pakistani Law from her alleged Pakistani father. To move forward we first need to establish paternity WITHIN Pakistan just as well as it has been established in the USofA.
If the Judge bites, Imran Khan would be in for a very different legal battle. Fazloo does not need to Prove Imran Khan is the father at the moment; he just needs to prove that circumstances exist that may deem it necessary for the court to take into consideration that Imran Khan MAY actually be the father of this child. So, the initial motion would NOT be to prove Zina and disqualify Imran Khan outright, it would just be to get him to comply and release information. Such as DNA.
If the Judge bites, Imran Khan would be in for a very different legal battle. Fazloo does not need to Prove Imran Khan is the father at the moment; he just needs to prove that circumstances exist that may deem it necessary for the court to take into consideration that Imran Khan MAY actually be the father of this child. So, the initial motion would NOT be to prove Zina and disqualify Imran Khan outright, it would just be to get him to comply and release information. Such as DNA.
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haidhu80
MPA (400+ posts)
Brother!!! Islamic Law is clear and it never said about rape but even for fornication you have to have 4 witnesses. Penalty for fornication is very hard in Islamic Law and that is the reason that proving it is almost impossible. Confession or evidence. Evidence is almost impossible to get it to "Hadd". These are rules laid down by Allah Himself so even DNA it can't be established. I am not saying that Imran Khan would not have done anything, he might have done it but to prove, its not easy.
As far as diesel is concern, I really don't know much about it but I think as Fazlo is always about something in every government, I think he gave his support to Benazir back in 90's and got Diesel permits. You can verify this from some other source as well coz I am myself in the UK. Lol.
