Hudhuda insaan ya parinda?

biomat · Jun 24, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

[MENTION=6265]Bret Hawk[/MENTION] Assalam-o-alaikum & welcome back..

patriot · Jun 25, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Abdul Allah said:
No one deny that a word can have multiple meaning
But It did not mean that any one can choose any word that suits his thinking and start translating.
the basic role of translation is to keep it close to original as explain by babadeena.
and when we are talking about Quran we must keep in mind that it is not CHOICE of someone that choose what he think is best but
To choose what it is not what you want

you talk about

Sura 27:16
using word WE and you said that
"as he clearly says that all his people understood Taair"

Then by using your logic then Allah is not one(Nauzbillah) as Allah used WE for him.

Sura 21
(105. And indeed We have written in Az-Zabur after Adh-Dhikr that My righteous servants shall inherit the land.) (106. Verily, in this there is a plain Message for people who worship Allah.) (107. And We have sent you (O Muhammad ) not but as a mercy for the `Alamin.)

So tell me does WE here means that Allah is not talking about himself alone and there are partners with him who send Muhammad pbuh and send zabur etc..(nauzbillah)?

Dear [MENTION=13100]Abdul Allah[/MENTION]
Thank you for your comments.
The word We ,used by Allah(SWT) is a majestic one,and He has right to be majestic and use the word we about Himself ,becouse one of His attributes is Mutakabbar.
No human has that right.
Allah(SWT) does not like Mutakabbireen.
Hope this answers your question.

Quran:-
25:44 Or do you think that most of them really hear and use their reason? Nay! they are but like cattle. Nay, they are farther astray. [The cattle at least follow the Divine Laws instinctively]

Mughal1 · Jun 25, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Dear friends, this is not an abusing contest and it is not a good idea to abuse people, if anyone disagree with anyone other person the idea is to reply in likewise manner. Show that you are right and the other person is wrong by reason. Anyone who throw abuse at anyone only shows his own mentality, lack of knowledge and unwillingness to learning and frustration at not being able to meet the challenges the discussion point throws at us.

If we are interested in truth about matters, we are all on the same side but if some people have ulterior personal interest in certain ideas then this is not the place they can impose their restrictions. We are here to discuss ideas not people. The concepts can only be right or wrong that is all. If they prove to be right or wrong, it is up to individual to accept or reject.

There is a big difference in accepting the quranic text and accepting its meanings. No one who claims to be a muslim denies the text of the quran. The differences are based upon our interpretations of it. These differences did not come about today, they have been there for along time. People have been fighting over them and that fighting still continues. There is no much difference whether you disagree on just one thing or many. Difference is difference. All we can do is investigate things to see whether those difference should matter or not by way of benefit or harm to our people.

Islam is not a make belief thing so anyone is free to investigate whether one is based on make belief islam or self evident islam. Also none is supposed to be forcing anyone to believe or disbelieve anything other than by reason.

Jinns are supernatural beings or not as people assume them to be, they have the supernatural capabilities or not as people attribute to them, do they act as people claim about them and do they really produce those phenomena by their actions as people say about them are all open to investigation by reason by way of abstract reasoning or concrete reasoning. Ideas can be challenged by ideas and realities can be challenged by realities. This is why it is possible to say thing about assumed things that are assumed to be invisible.

If invisible things were beyond reasoning at all then we not know anything about them therefore we will have no reason to talk about them, because ideas affects us good or bad way we must investigate them to benefit of them or save ourselves from their harm.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with investigations of ides and beliefs is not forced to participate in discussions, particularly in a negative way.

regards and all the best

Abdul Allah · Jun 25, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

patriot said:
Dear [MENTION=13100]Abdul Allah[/MENTION]
Thank you for your comments.
The word We ,used by Allah(SWT) is a majestic one,and He has right to be majestic and use the word we about Himself ,becouse one of His attributes is Mutakabbar.
No human has that right.
Allah(SWT) does not like Mutakabbireen.
Hope this answers your question.

Quran:-
25:44 Or do you think that most of them really hear and use their reason? Nay! they are but like cattle. Nay, they are farther astray. [The cattle at least follow the Divine Laws instinctively]

HUM/WE is used in daily life by many without even by being Mutakir

Abdul Allah · Jun 25, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Mughal1 said:
Dear friends, this is not an abusing contest and it is not a good idea to abuse people, if anyone disagree with anyone other person the idea is to reply in likewise manner. Show that you are right and the other person is wrong by reason. Anyone who throw abuse at anyone only shows his own mentality, lack of knowledge and unwillingness to learning and frustration at not being able to meet the challenges the discussion point throws at us.

If we are interested in truth about matters, we are all on the same side but if some people have ulterior personal interest in certain ideas then this is not the place they can impose their restrictions. We are here to discuss ideas not people. The concepts can only be right or wrong that is all. If they prove to be right or wrong, it is up to individual to accept or reject.

There is a big difference in accepting the quranic text and accepting its meanings. No one who claims to be a muslim denies the text of the quran. The differences are based upon our interpretations of it. These differences did not come about today, they have been there for along time. People have been fighting over them and that fighting still continues. There is no much difference whether you disagree on just one thing or many. Difference is difference. All we can do is investigate things to see whether those difference should matter or not by way of benefit or harm to our people.

Islam is not a make belief thing so anyone is free to investigate whether one is based on make belief islam or self evident islam. Also none is supposed to be forcing anyone to believe or disbelieve anything other than by reason.

Jinns are supernatural beings or not as people assume them to be, they have the supernatural capabilities or not as people attribute to them, do they act as people claim about them and do they really produce those phenomena by their actions as people say about them are all open to investigation by reason by way of abstract reasoning or concrete reasoning. Ideas can be challenged by ideas and realities can be challenged by realities. This is why it is possible to say thing about assumed things that are assumed to be invisible.

If invisible things were beyond reasoning at all then we not know anything about them therefore we will have no reason to talk about them, because ideas affects us good or bad way we must investigate them to benefit of them or save ourselves from their harm.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with investigations of ides and beliefs is not forced to participate in discussions, particularly in a negative way.

regards and all the best

Answer the question directly and simply

babadeena · Jun 25, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

There is a big difference in accepting the quranic text and accepting its meanings.

The Quranic text is very simple, easy, lucid and convincing, Brother, those people in whose
heart is disease, they make its different interpretations. The sound in Knowledge say we believe
all are from our Lord.

The differences are based upon our interpretations of it. These differences did not come
about today, they have been there for along time.

"Be not like those, who differed and disputed, after the clear guidance came to them,
for such there will be a tremendous punishment. These sort of tendencies are equal
to "disbelieve after belief" (as per Quran). The consequences of such behavour are
visible and known to everyone since times.

May Allah Guide us.

biomat · Jun 25, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Bro Babadeena
Assalam-o-alaikum
Both sides are using similar ayats to warn others but who will decide which one is on right side.
There should be a scale or standard by which we can check validity of any claim..
Did u read the GAP translation of SURA QAMAR..
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Also if we accept there view then what is the different between TRANSLATION & TAFSEER.
As many scholars have written different & conflicting TAFASEERS.
Hope you got my point...
Jaza-k-ALLAH

Raaz · Jun 25, 2011

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O my god , still Hud Hud is a bird ? could not be a man. with HUD ??

Just for example , if we consider for a minute that It was a man , then what , what is the difference in situation. Did it change the decision of Hazrat Suleman.???

Or the information he brought ? or any thing....

So it is useless discussion. It only tell us how people could mold the Quran !!!!

Quran is not their book, It is Allah's book. and brought upon the arab speaking people.

This issue is only in Indo Pak , who language is different and lots of fraud here , because of Hindu mentality.

Arab do not such type of crap people who , like ulam Ahmed Qadyani or Pervez....

Listen to Ghamdi , he has cleared Pervez Fitna very precisely.

[video]http://youtu.be/TWy570_3wKU[/video]

Main points start from here, but good to listen first also , if you have time.
[video]http://youtu.be/T_QT74Z9hxA[/video]

[video]http://youtu.be/FNg9FjuEvRE[/video]

[video]http://youtu.be/0_7MnBXBZ78[/video]

[video]http://youtu.be/IiuENaeTGyU[/video]

patriot · Jun 25, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Abdul Allah said:
HUM/WE is used in daily life by many without even by being Mutakir

People who say HUM/WE about themselves are glorifying themselves and being Mutakabbir without even knowing it.
Only Allah(SWT) is entitled to be glorified,as you know,we say "SubhaanakAllah humma".
And "huwAllahu Ahad": Allah is One.
If he says "We" about Himself ,makes no difference becouse we (muslims) know for sure He is one.
Whereas people should always remember Him and be humble.
His Nabiyeen were very very humble.

Kibriyaee siraf usi keliye hai.

biomat · Jun 25, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Bro Patriot
Assalam-o-alaikum
I dont want to divert the topic, but as you explained the ONENESS OF ALLAH (jaza-k-ALLAH),, what is the concept of FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD that is HAZRAT MUHAMMAD BIN ABDULLAH PBUH IS LAST MESSENGER & no rasool or nabi will be coming..
What GAP think about it.. Just short reply.. Bro Mughal1 can also answer but briefly & precise.
Jaza-k-ALLAH.

biomat · Jun 26, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

(27:15:1)
walaqad
And verily,

CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
EMPH – emphatic prefix lām
CERT – particle of certaintyالواو عاطفة
اللام لام التوكيد
حرف تحقيق
(27:15:2)
ātaynā
We gave

V – 1st person plural (form IV) perfect verb
PRON – subject pronounفعل ماض ونا ضمير متصل في محل رفع فاعل
(27:15:3)
dāwūda
Dawood

PN – genitive proper noun → Davidاسم علم مجرور بالفتحة بدلاً من الكسرة لأنه ممنوع من الصرف
(27:15:4)
wasulaymāna
and Sulaiman

CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
PN – genitive proper noun → Solomonالواو عاطفة
اسم علم مجرور بالفتحة بدلاً من الكسرة لأنه ممنوع من الصرف
(27:15:5)
ʿil'man
knowledge,

N – accusative masculine indefinite nounاسم منصوب
(27:15:6)
waqālā
and they said,

CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
V – 3rd person masculine dual perfect verb
PRON – subject pronounالواو عاطفة
فعل ماض والألف ضمير متصل في محل رفع فاعل
(27:15:7)
l-ḥamdu
"Praise be

N – nominative masculine nounاسم مرفوع
(27:15:8)
lillahi
to Allah

P – prefixed preposition lām
PN – genitive proper noun → Allahجار ومجرور
(27:15:9)
alladhī
the One Who

REL – masculine singular relative pronounاسم موصول
(27:15:10)
faḍḍalanā
has favored us

V – 3rd person masculine singular (form II) perfect verb
PRON – 1st person plural object pronounفعل ماض ونا ضمير متصل في محل نصب مفعول به
(27:15:11)
ʿalā
over

P – prepositionحرف جر
(27:15:12)
kathīrin
many

N – genitive masculine singular indefinite nounاسم مجرور
(27:15:13)
min
of

P – prepositionحرف جر
(27:15:14)
ʿibādihi
His servants

N – genitive masculine plural noun
PRON – 3rd person masculine singular possessive pronounاسم مجرور والهاء ضمير متصل في محل جر بالاضافة
(27:15:15)
l-mu'minīna
the believers."

ADJ – genitive masculine plural (form IV) active participleصفة مجرورة

biomat · Jun 26, 2011

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(27:16:1)
wawaritha
And inherited

CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
V – 3rd person masculine singular perfect verbالواو عاطفة
فعل ماض
(27:16:2)
sulaymānu
Sulaiman

PN – nominative proper noun → Solomonاسم علم مرفوع
(27:16:3)
dāwūda
Dawood.

PN – accusative proper noun → Davidاسم علم منصوب
(27:16:4)
waqāla
And he said,

CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
V – 3rd person masculine singular perfect verbالواو عاطفة
فعل ماض
(27:16:5)
yāayyuhā
"O

VOC – prefixed vocative particle ya
N – nominative nounأداة نداء
اسم مرفوع
(27:16:6)
l-nāsu
people!

N – nominative masculine plural nounاسم مرفوع
(27:16:7)
ʿullim'nā
We have been taught

V – 1st person plural (form II) passive perfect verb
PRON – subject pronounفعل ماض مبني للمجهول ونا ضمير متصل في محل رفع نائب فاعل
(27:16:8)
manṭiqa
(the) language

N – accusative masculine noun → Languageاسم منصوب
(27:16:9)
l-ṭayri
(of) the birds,

N – genitive masculine noun → Birdاسم مجرور
(27:16:10)
waūtīnā
and we have been given

CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
V – 1st person plural (form IV) passive perfect verb
PRON – subject pronounالواو عاطفة
فعل ماض مبني للمجهول ونا ضمير متصل في محل رفع نائب فاعل
(27:16:11)
min
from

P – prepositionحرف جر
(27:16:12)
kulli
every

N – genitive masculine nounاسم مجرور
(27:16:13)
shayin
thing.

N – genitive masculine indefinite nounاسم مجرور
(27:16:14)
inna
Indeed,

ACC – accusative particleحرف نصب
(27:16:15)
hādhā
this

DEM – masculine singular demonstrative pronounاسم اشارة
(27:16:16)
lahuwa
surely, it

EMPH – emphatic prefix lām
PRON – 3rd person masculine singular personal pronounاللام لام التوكيد
ضمير منفصل
(27:16:17)
l-faḍlu
(is) the favor

N – nominative masculine nounاسم مرفوع
(27:16:18)
l-mubīnu
evident."

ADJ – nominative masculine (form IV) active participle

biomat · Jun 26, 2011

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(27/17:1)
waḥushira
And were gathered

CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
V – 3rd person masculine singular passive perfect verbالواو عاطفة
فعل ماض مبني للمجهول
(27/17:2)
lisulaymāna
for Sulaiman

P – prefixed preposition lām
PN – genitive proper noun → Solomonجار ومجرور
(27/17:3)
junūduhu
his hosts

N – nominative masculine plural noun
PRON – 3rd person masculine singular possessive pronounاسم مرفوع والهاء ضمير متصل في محل جر بالاضافة
(27/17:4)
mina
of

P – prepositionحرف جر
(27/17:5)
l-jini
jinn

N – genitive masculine noun → Jinnاسم مجرور
(27/17:6)
wal-insi
and the men

CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
N – genitive masculine nounالواو عاطفة
اسم مجرور
(27/17:7)
wal-ṭayri
and the birds,

CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
N – genitive masculine noun → Birdالواو عاطفة
اسم مجرور
(27/17:8)
fahum
and they

CONJ – prefixed conjunction fa (and)
PRON – 3rd person masculine plural personal pronounالفاء عاطفة
ضمير منفصل
(27/17:9)
yūzaʿūna
(were) set in rows.

V – 3rd person masculine plural passive imperfect verb
PRON – subject pronounفعل مضارع مبني للمجهول والواو ضمير متصل في محل رفع نائب فاعل

biomat · Jun 26, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

The triliteral root ṭā yā rā (ط ي ر) occurs 29 times in the Quran, in five derived forms:

once as the form I verb yaṭīru (يَطِيرُ)
three times as the form V verb iṭṭayyar (ٱطَّيَّرْ)
19 times as the noun ṭayr (طَيْر)
five times as the active participle ṭāir (طَآئِر)
once as the form X active participle mus'taṭīr (مُسْتَطِير)

The translations below are brief glosses intended as a guide to meaning. An Arabic word may have a range of meanings depending on context.

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Verb (form I) - to fly

(6:38:8) yaṭīru (that) flies وَمَا مِنْ دَابَّةٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَلَا طَائِرٍ يَطِيرُ بِجَنَاحَيْهِ إِلَّا أُمَمٌ أَمْثَالُكُمْ

Verb (form V) - to ascribe an evil omen

(7:131:10) yaṭṭayyarū they ascribe evil omens وَإِنْ تُصِبْهُمْ سَيِّئَةٌ يَطَّيَّرُوا بِمُوسَىٰ وَمَنْ مَعَهُ

27:47:2) iṭṭayyarnā We consider you a bad omen قَالُوا اطَّيَّرْنَا بِكَ وَبِمَنْ مَعَكَ()
36:18:3)taṭayyarnā [we] see an evil omen قَالُوا إِنَّا تَطَيَّرْنَا بِكُمْ لَئِنْ لَمْ تَنْتَهُوا لَنَرْجُمَنَّكُمْ
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Noun

(2:260:21) l-ṭayri the birds قَالَ فَخُذْ أَرْبَعَةً مِنَ الطَّيْرِ فَصُرْهُنَّ إِلَيْكَ()
3:49:17 l-ṭayri (of) the bird أَنِّي أَخْلُقُ لَكُمْ مِنَ الطِّينِ كَهَيْئَةِ الطَّيْرِ
(3:49:21) ṭayran a bird فَأَنْفُخُ فِيهِ فَيَكُونُ طَيْرًا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ()
5:110:32 l-ṭayri (of) the bird وَإِذْ تَخْلُقُ مِنَ الطِّينِ كَهَيْئَةِ الطَّيْرِ بِإِذْنِي()
5:110:37 ṭayran a bird فَتَنْفُخُ فِيهَا فَتَكُونُ طَيْرًا بِإِذْنِي()
12:36:20 l-ṭayru the birds إِنِّي أَرَانِي أَحْمِلُ فَوْقَ رَأْسِي خُبْزًا تَأْكُلُ الطَّيْرُ مِنْهُ()
12:41:12 l-ṭayru the birds وَأَمَّا الْآخَرُ فَيُصْلَبُ فَتَأْكُلُ الطَّيْرُ مِنْ رَأْسِهِ()
16:79:4 l-ṭayri the birds أَلَمْ يَرَوْا إِلَى الطَّيْرِ مُسَخَّرَاتٍ فِي جَوِّ السَّمَاءِ()
21:79:12 wal-ṭayraand the birds وَسَخَّرْنَا مَعَ دَاوُودَ الْجِبَالَ يُسَبِّحْنَ وَالطَّيْرَ()
22:31:14 l-ṭayru the birds وَمَنْ يُشْرِكْ بِاللَّهِ فَكَأَنَّمَا خَرَّ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ فَتَخْطَفُهُ الطَّيْرُ()
24:41:11 wal-ṭayru and the birds أَلَمْ تَرَ أَنَّ اللَّهَ يُسَبِّحُ لَهُ مَنْ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَالطَّيْرُ صَافَّاتٍ كُلٌّ قَدْ عَلِمَ صَلَاتَهُ وَتَسْبِيحَهُ(
27:16:9) l-ṭayri (of) the birds وَوَرِثَ سُلَيْمَانُ دَاوُودَ وَقَالَ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ عُلِّمْنَا مَنْطِقَ الطَّيْرِ()
27/17:7 wal-ṭayri and the birds وَحُشِرَ لِسُلَيْمَانَ جُنُودُهُ مِنَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنْسِ وَالطَّيْرِ()
27:20:2 l-ṭayra the birds وَتَفَقَّدَ الطَّيْرَ فَقَالَ مَا لِيَ لَا أَرَى الْهُدْهُدَ()
34:10:9 wal-ṭayra and the birds وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَا دَاوُودَ مِنَّا فَضْلًا يَا جِبَالُ أَوِّبِي مَعَهُ وَالطَّيْرَ()
38:19:1 wal-ṭayra And the birds وَالطَّيْرَ مَحْشُورَةً كُلٌّ لَهُ أَوَّابٌ()
56:21:2 ṭayrin (of) fowls وَلَحْمِ طَيْرٍ مِمَّا يَشْتَهُونَ()
67:19:4 l-ṭayri the birds أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْا إِلَى الطَّيْرِ فَوْقَهُمْ صَافَّاتٍ وَيَقْبِضْنَ()
105:3:3 ṭayran birds وَأَرْسَلَ عَلَيْهِمْ طَيْرًا أَبَابِيلَ
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biomat · Jun 26, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Active participle

(6:38:7) ṭāirin a bird وَمَا مِنْ دَابَّةٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَلَا طَائِرٍ يَطِيرُ بِجَنَاحَيْهِ إِلَّا أُمَمٌ أَمْثَالُكُمْ()
7:131:16 ṭāiruhum their evil omens أَلَا إِنَّمَا طَائِرُهُمْ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ()
17/13:4) ṭāirahu his fate وَكُلَّ إِنْسَانٍ أَلْزَمْنَاهُ طَائِرَهُ فِي عُنُقِهِ()
27:47:7 ṭāirukum Your bad omen قَالُوا اطَّيَّرْنَا بِكَ وَبِمَنْ مَعَكَ قَالَ طَائِرُكُمْ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ()
36:19:2 ṭāirukum Your evil omen قَالُوا طَائِرُكُمْ مَعَكُمْ أَئِنْ ذُكِّرْتُمْ بَلْ أَنْتُمْ قَوْمٌ مُسْرِفُونَ

Active participle (form X)

(76:7:7) mus'taṭīran widespread يُوفُونَ بِالنَّذْرِ وَيَخَافُونَ يَوْمًا كَانَ شَرُّهُ مُسْتَطِيرًا

biomat · Jun 26, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

4 Birds discussed in Quran
#1) CROW 5:31
#2) HUDHUD 27:20
#3) QUAIL 2:57 ; 7:160 ; 20:80
#4) ABABEEL 105:3
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patriot · Jun 26, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

biomat said:
Bro Patriot
Assalam-o-alaikum
I dont want to divert the topic, but as you explained the ONENESS OF ALLAH (jaza-k-ALLAH),, what is the concept of FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD that is HAZRAT MUHAMMAD BIN ABDULLAH PBUH IS LAST MESSENGER & no rasool or nabi will be coming..
What GAP think about it.. Just short reply.. Bro Mughal1 can also answer but briefly & precise.
Jaza-k-ALLAH.

W'Alaikum assalaam brother [MENTION=5021]biomat[/MENTION],

As far as I understand it from some of his books and lectures he is very extreme in finality of prophethood and revelation.
Quran is complet , detailed and protected by Allah him self,hence no other nabi and
RasoolAllah will come any more.
He does not stop here.
Even ilhaam or kashaff or any other form of revelation is not acceptable to him
after syedna Muhammad ibne Abdullah,RasoolAllah salAllahu Alaihi wasallim.
This is also one of the reasons why mullahs don't like him.
Hope this is breif and precise.

babadeena · Jun 26, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

My God,
After 10 pages discussion, and nearly 200 posts, now poor Hudahud will
definitely turn to be a human. O Folk, turn your energy towards some other topic,
i doubt very much if subject on justice will fetch the same number of pages or
posts.
Br. Biomat, very nice, this is the way to quote and read quran, word by word,
May Allah bless you.

patriot · Jun 26, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

Ghamdi sb and Parvez sb have almost the same sense of understanding of mainstream Islam, so he was forced to flee Pakistan.
He is calling Parvez sb a fitna and zalalat or maybe dalaalat, exactly the same as he himself is being accused of by the mullahs.Very mullish.

I have great respect for Ghamdi sb therefore no more comments.

saud491 · Jun 26, 2011

Re: Hudhuda insaan ys parinda?

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