agree with you .. so do you agree that media persons should make their assets public?
I think they should as some media persons are paid agents. They sing but lyrics are written by powers that be.
Hassan Nisar's Salary - mind boggling
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agree with you .. so do you agree that media persons should make their assets public?
I think they should as some media persons are paid agents. They sing but lyrics are written by powers that be.
Since the PUBLIC doesnt pay salaries of the media people, the public should have no say in that.
But if media people are getting paid by foreign entities, then if proofs can be produced, FBR should go after them, even the legal department against treason.
But if media people are getting paid by foreign entities, then if proofs can be produced, FBR should go after them, even the legal department against treason.
Perhaps we should all join the media. This guy (Hassan Nisar) for spreading negativity is assumed to get around Rs 1.3-1.5 Million per month (15.6 M - 18 M annually)
Source? Well, I just watched a video where Hassan Nisar himself was proudly claiming that he pays Rs 150,000 tax per month.
That means he is paying atleast Rs1.8 M of annual tax - which in turn means that at current tax rate this would be around 14% (FBR website). This means that at minimum his TAXABLE income is over Rs 1.07 M a month ..
This is mind boggling because Najam Sethi (highest paid anchor) pockets RS 2 M a month....
Perhaps its a good time to get all media persons to declare their assets?
Also, wondering whether Hassan Nisar has other source of income apart from writing and hosting meray mutabiq? Happy to be corrected.
Bro you are an absolute idiot. What does that make to you if he is making that kind of money. U r a paid tattoo of either Nora league or ppp (pleeeet people's party). If he talks about corrupt what wrong does he do?
I don't agree with all what he says but I think 90% of the time he is correct. So you should be really worried about the people who are living on our taxes not the one who are paying taxes. Go and get some mental inspection done man, either u have lost ur brain or nooooras or gadddaries are paying u from our taxes.
He spreads negativity....... Oh come on man u don't have ur brain in right place what positive is comming from Pakistan. If some one portrays the right picture and treis to wake up this Jahil and ********* nation of ours who are going to God forbid ellect these crooks once again for the next five years as shown in bye elections, what wrong is he doing?
I don't care if he drinks alcohol or what ever at least what he say is I think good enough for me and should be good enough for most of the people who have any fear of our motherlands dak future.
The only thing different is that Hassan Nisar himself mentioned the tax he pays on a TV show.
So, why should politicians make their assets public? Considering most of these politicians have other businesses like agriculture, industry, sports etc? The income they get from being in public office is very little compared to their other businesses?
Don't get me wrong - I am just playing devils advocate here.
Also, media anchors only want RTP ratings as that will generate the ad revenue and based on which anchors get their legitimate salary. So, what is wrong with making their assets public .. specially for someone as 'holy' as Hassan Nisar who on prime time tells the nation that he pays so much tax ? ? ?
To me it seems that he is keen to be open and accountable but some of his 'defenders' think otherwise. Why?
[MENTION=14890]mrk123[/MENTION], [MENTION=23929]wadera[/MENTION], [MENTION=12943]crankthskunk[/MENTION], [MENTION=24375]AsifAmeer[/MENTION] et al:
Good discussion going on with valid points all around. I generally agree that we shouldn't have problems with Hassan Nisar's salary as it does not come out of taxpayers' pockets. There is nothing wrong with making money so long as you fulfill all your obligations (such as paying your taxes etc).
However, [MENTION=23929]wadera[/MENTION] is making a good point here: Media persons/channels need to declare their sources of income. This is something that anchor persons are also discussing amongst themselves these days. It was all started because of cash being injected by American enterprises to specific persons and channels to forward their propaganda. So clearly media persons who are somewhat balanced are seeing the need to do this before things go completely out of hand.
Even [MENTION=12943]crankthskunk[/MENTION] is making a genuine point here. Although I admire Hassan Nisar's tirades and commentary on TV I do agree with him that people who are paraded in the media as "danishwar" have some responsibility of checking their facts before they speak. There are numerous times Nisar saheb says things that are factually incorrect. His entire lament against Muslim traditions (or lack thereof) and the role of Western enlightenment is based on very flimsy grounds. For example, he often metions the role of Sir Syed Ahmad Khan and how the Mullahs put a fatwa of kufr against him for supporting western education. This is at best a half-truth that corrupts minds that are already confused and ill-informed.
Someone on this forum put up an article on Sir Syed and what exactly led to the takfir by the scholars of Hind against him. I hope everyone read that and it quite clearly had NOTHING to do with education and EVERYTHING to do with his nonsensical religious beliefs which he was spewing (such as Jesus (AS) having a biological father! Wal 'eeyauthubillah!). Why does this matter? Because a guy taking a hefty salary on TV and having the forum to spew his opinions unchecked is not very healthy for the community at large.
I guess one can hardly blame Nisar, but it is odd that not even a single media person has challenged him on his oft-repeated nonsense in this regard? It just goes to show the potty-level of our journalism and other danishwars. I personally wish we all could just stop watching TV and let these idiots die their natural deaths. People like Nadia Khan (whom I know... ewwwww) earn way too much salaries for the nonsense they put up as content. Just the other day she was on TV blasting Maya Khan (or whatever her face was) and then Nadia Khan comes back on TV to do the same shyte! And these people are taken as role models?? Sahir Lodhi and Shaista Wahidi - dudes, if there ever was a case for publically flogging parents for idiotic and irrrrrrrrrrritating children this was it!
Media sucks and as [MENTION=14890]mrk123[/MENTION] rightly said, it is all governed by market economics, unfortunately. I just wish there was a way to reverse this tide of half-baked intellectuals and outright hypocritical media persons to stop spewing their madness in homes. I actually think dramas are better than these talk shows these days! At least these dramas end! There is no end to the nonsense of people like Nadia Khan, Shaista Wahidi and other numbskulls. I am just gobsmacked to know that Kashif Abbasi earns 4 mil a month? What is this world coming to??? The guy's show is simply a barking contest!
This world sucks, period. All these jahils online (Who remembers Aamir Liaquat saheb!?) are raking in the bucks fooling and misguiding people. We are completely detached from our spiritual guides and this void is conveniently filled by this nonsensical uptake. Wow, my ranting is just going on and on...
Good discussion going on with valid points all around. I generally agree that we shouldn't have problems with Hassan Nisar's salary as it does not come out of taxpayers' pockets. There is nothing wrong with making money so long as you fulfill all your obligations (such as paying your taxes etc).
However, [MENTION=23929]wadera[/MENTION] is making a good point here: Media persons/channels need to declare their sources of income. This is something that anchor persons are also discussing amongst themselves these days. It was all started because of cash being injected by American enterprises to specific persons and channels to forward their propaganda. So clearly media persons who are somewhat balanced are seeing the need to do this before things go completely out of hand.
Even [MENTION=12943]crankthskunk[/MENTION] is making a genuine point here. Although I admire Hassan Nisar's tirades and commentary on TV I do agree with him that people who are paraded in the media as "danishwar" have some responsibility of checking their facts before they speak. There are numerous times Nisar saheb says things that are factually incorrect. His entire lament against Muslim traditions (or lack thereof) and the role of Western enlightenment is based on very flimsy grounds. For example, he often metions the role of Sir Syed Ahmad Khan and how the Mullahs put a fatwa of kufr against him for supporting western education. This is at best a half-truth that corrupts minds that are already confused and ill-informed.
Someone on this forum put up an article on Sir Syed and what exactly led to the takfir by the scholars of Hind against him. I hope everyone read that and it quite clearly had NOTHING to do with education and EVERYTHING to do with his nonsensical religious beliefs which he was spewing (such as Jesus (AS) having a biological father! Wal 'eeyauthubillah!). Why does this matter? Because a guy taking a hefty salary on TV and having the forum to spew his opinions unchecked is not very healthy for the community at large.
I guess one can hardly blame Nisar, but it is odd that not even a single media person has challenged him on his oft-repeated nonsense in this regard? It just goes to show the potty-level of our journalism and other danishwars. I personally wish we all could just stop watching TV and let these idiots die their natural deaths. People like Nadia Khan (whom I know... ewwwww) earn way too much salaries for the nonsense they put up as content. Just the other day she was on TV blasting Maya Khan (or whatever her face was) and then Nadia Khan comes back on TV to do the same shyte! And these people are taken as role models?? Sahir Lodhi and Shaista Wahidi - dudes, if there ever was a case for publically flogging parents for idiotic and irrrrrrrrrrritating children this was it!
Media sucks and as [MENTION=14890]mrk123[/MENTION] rightly said, it is all governed by market economics, unfortunately. I just wish there was a way to reverse this tide of half-baked intellectuals and outright hypocritical media persons to stop spewing their madness in homes. I actually think dramas are better than these talk shows these days! At least these dramas end! There is no end to the nonsense of people like Nadia Khan, Shaista Wahidi and other numbskulls. I am just gobsmacked to know that Kashif Abbasi earns 4 mil a month? What is this world coming to??? The guy's show is simply a barking contest!
This world sucks, period. All these jahils online (Who remembers Aamir Liaquat saheb!?) are raking in the bucks fooling and misguiding people. We are completely detached from our spiritual guides and this void is conveniently filled by this nonsensical uptake. Wow, my ranting is just going on and on...
I don't want to sound like a broken record but you leave me no choice but to repeat the arguments that I have already made in your response to your assertions.
First - lets differentiate between public figures and private citizens. Media houses in Pakistan(except for government controlled agencies) are private enterprises. Unless there are solid grounds against them for gross irregularities then we can't, just to satisfy wadera's whims, initiate a witch hunt against them. You can't just do that on a hunch on your part. You are trying to exempt yourself too - you are making your arguments on a publicly available forum then why not you should be held accountable for your words by asking you to make public your finances?
I am still not getting your point here. I guess its just me.
You are saying that anyone who asks for accountability and transparency in the dealings and finances of a people's representative or a government employee whose salary is paid by the taxpayers has to submit him/herself for accountability first? Could you read this question again and see the flaw in your logic? Let me see if I start a blog tomorrow and call for accountability of all the corrupt and call for checking the excesses committed by the powerful in this country - you would ask for my finances to be made public too? Well, I got news for you - no chance in hell that you are infringing on my privacy - same applies to Hassan Nisar. I may not agree with his views but he has every right to make those views public as he sees fit and if anyone doesn't agree with him then they have a choice to flip the channel to the one that they like and can digest or read a different column in the same newspaper with a different slant or better yet pick up a different paper. No one is shoving that channel or newspaper article down your throat.
You seem like an educated person - have you read any history books or taken a course on philosophy or political science? Have you read most of the intellectuals or historians or philosophers? The libraries are full of books on varying and divergent views. Some way out there and not conforming to the popularly held views or beliefs but you don't go after those people with a knife and call for their head or their finances to be made public.
I gave you an example that you don't go after a great art critic and tell him that he should shut up and not bother about his critiques if he can't paint a masterpiece him/herself or tell a drama/film critic to shove it unless he can produce a top class drama/film. You just can't do that - thats not how things work.
You didn't answer my question about where did HN said that he is a philosopher? People ask him to come on their shows and call him an analyst. Now analysts/philosophers are conscience of a society - they think aloud. Sometime their thinking aligns with yours and sometime it doesn't. Honestly great philosophers/analysts wouldn't want you to agree with them and would like you to challenge their assertions with counter logic(notice logic and not hyperbole).
You again are asking us to take your hunch and suspicions and act upon them and infringe on someone's privacy and make their finances public. Why not say that a system should be instituted where if some proofs are present of some wrongdoing then action is taken against that media house or that individual.
I am amused at this line of yours:
These people come on TV and act all holy, all knowing, philosophical and condemn everyone but themselves. Don't you see something wrong in that?
I really don't see anything wrong in that :-) I am sure you have a remote for your TV and its really to switch the channel to the one you like and listen/watch whoever rocks your boat. If someone is stating that the elite in this country are getting away with murder while the common man is struggling in their day to day lives, or that the powers to be in this country are corrupt, or that these powers to be are encroaching on public lands to protect themselves and their families at the expense of the taxpayers - now would it matter to you what that person does in his private life? I think that all of those things are true and only that matters to me - if that same person stating this truth veers away from the truth and says something that I dont agree with then I will just filter that part but I wouldn't discount the truths that he had stated earlier.
Again - there is no compulsion. I am not sure if you have heard this announcement that some of the airline pilots/cabin crew make over the PA in a plane when you land - they usually thank and appreciate the customers for choosing their airline given that lot of other options were available to them. The same applies to Pakistani media - there are shows catering to all kinds of viewers with all kinds of bent - you have a choice of what do you want to watch and what do you want to pay for. Unless of course its PTV - then you can make a stink about what you see there since its funded by your money.
Dude .. firstly, let us not make this personal and if you continue in this tone .. I will ignore you.
Secondly, learn to type in small fonts .. typing in big fonts is like shouting .. well that is what hassan nisar does too.
Thirdly, I have said numerous times that I don't support any party except PTI .. wonder whether you even read this thread properly....
Politician is a PUBLIC figure. He should be FORCED to take a salary (if he doesnt want it, make him accept Rs1!). Now since he is taking public money, he has to make his income public.
HNisar voluntarily announced it. Not much we can do about it. We can stop him nor can we force him.
Media ppl dont get salary from tax payers money, so they are not answerable to the tax payers. They are answerable to those who pay their salaries - i.e. that media company. Not if FBR were to find any of the anchor in violation of treason, the media company could also come under hear.
I wrote an article about Rights Vs Privileges. It explains things in a very clear way.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/entry.php?123-Rights-and-Privileges
HNisar voluntarily announced it. Not much we can do about it. We can stop him nor can we force him.
Media ppl dont get salary from tax payers money, so they are not answerable to the tax payers. They are answerable to those who pay their salaries - i.e. that media company. Not if FBR were to find any of the anchor in violation of treason, the media company could also come under hear.
I wrote an article about Rights Vs Privileges. It explains things in a very clear way.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/entry.php?123-Rights-and-Privileges
bro .. on Hassan Nisar claiming to be all knowing .. etc please look at the video I posted earlier on this thread (probably page 1). .. he does so when replying to farid paracha
Other big difference in case of HN is that he himself has made his tax rate public on a tv show .. so please don't tell me that I can't even question that?
Secondly, you are taking my points as imposition .. they are not .. the method of making assets public can be agreed upon ... and regarding privacy .. please save it .. when these media persons do a show from their farm houses, show their fancy watches or the cars that pick them up .. or talk about their 'staff' .. this is also depicting their lifestyle .. so how can they advocate transparency, accountability on everyone when they themselves are not for it?
I appreciate your points, thanks for this discussion but as I said earlier .. lets agree to disagree.
You guys noticed the quality of comments on siasat rapidly improving! This is very exciting to see.
Thanks for summarizing. I wasnt following all the posts.
One thing we need to realize. Media is a business. PTV was not a business but a social service. Look at it today. Anyways, your best news comes from the online media and bloggers. I personally get my news from ZEROHEDGE (finance) and few other bloggers. Again, Economics dictate everything. TV media wants to sell UFONE. I want to get news. Why not get news from someone who has an interest in sharing news than from someone who wants to sell me ufone!
About the religious media. I laughed at Aamir's video. Its still fun watching it but whats really heart-breaking is to see such respected scholars show up on his show till today. Utter shame.
Thanks for summarizing. I wasnt following all the posts.
One thing we need to realize. Media is a business. PTV was not a business but a social service. Look at it today. Anyways, your best news comes from the online media and bloggers. I personally get my news from ZEROHEDGE (finance) and few other bloggers. Again, Economics dictate everything. TV media wants to sell UFONE. I want to get news. Why not get news from someone who has an interest in sharing news than from someone who wants to sell me ufone!
About the religious media. I laughed at Aamir's video. Its still fun watching it but whats really heart-breaking is to see such respected scholars show up on his show till today. Utter shame.
Look .. that is your opinion .. and my opinion is very clear. If we are serious about transparency and accountability, then media persons should make their assets public.
I am happy that you disagree with me and present your points without emotional statements like others. However, my stand is very clear .. if someone comes on prime time to advocate transparency and accountability .. then he/she should have the moral courage to declare his assets publically .. otherwise I am sure he is hiding ill-gotten wealth. .
Secondly, are you going to defend our prime minister in the same way you are defending HN? Legally he is still the prime minister .. ofcourse morally not. But strictly speaking he is still the PM.
On a lighter note .. don't worry buddy I am not asking for news paper bloggers to declare their assets ;)
continue the civilized argument. Enjoyin it here.
Media is wrong in portraying all that junk. But to demand them to declare their asset to the PUBLIC is wrong too. If they are filing their taxes, then the matter is b/w them and the State. I wouldnt wanna share what I make with anyone else. Why should I?
Haan, if enough people write to the media to protest the display of lavish stages, i think the media will respond accordingly. Also, switching the channel also helps.
Media is wrong in portraying all that junk. But to demand them to declare their asset to the PUBLIC is wrong too. If they are filing their taxes, then the matter is b/w them and the State. I wouldnt wanna share what I make with anyone else. Why should I?
Haan, if enough people write to the media to protest the display of lavish stages, i think the media will respond accordingly. Also, switching the channel also helps.
Yeah good to see nice discussions .. minus the emotional statements by some and personal attacks :)
Other way to look at the argument is that govt or regulatory authority that grants the licence to these media houses .. can demand media persons to make their assets public.
I guess you will agree with that atleast? :)
I don't switch channels bro .. that is why I am on siasat pk. My content is filtered for me :)
By and large ... media in our country is not mature .. that is unfortunate.
Dude, its even more shameful that this idiot even after such a public humiliation has the GALL to come back on TV with more of the usual nonsense!
I know that idiot personally (he is the first cousin of my very good friend). Some of the stories I know of him before he became a media person will just have you laughing yourself death! I simply choose not to share because of the fear of Allah and fear that I have my own shortcomings that I would never want to come out in public discussions, hehe.
I second your opinion about the quality of discussions improving here. Good to see that :)
I know that idiot personally (he is the first cousin of my very good friend). Some of the stories I know of him before he became a media person will just have you laughing yourself death! I simply choose not to share because of the fear of Allah and fear that I have my own shortcomings that I would never want to come out in public discussions, hehe.
I second your opinion about the quality of discussions improving here. Good to see that :)
Bhai mein to bar bar keh raha houn, ANY PUBLIC figure should have his assets declared. Infact I wrote somewhere on this forum that PTI should not just declare assets but also get the assets valuation verified by PWC.
I am not protecting media persons. Some sit on the lap of 1 party and the other with the other party. Lekin asking them to declare their assets is wrong too. 2 wrongs dont make a right. Coz if I demand today someone else declare their assets, then tomorrow I will be forced to declare my assets. I dont want that. I dont want the other to go thru this mess either. Declaring assets would become a security concern in Pakistan. But I reject this idea on the basis of mutual morality.
Read my article and you'll get the idea where I stand.
I am not protecting media persons. Some sit on the lap of 1 party and the other with the other party. Lekin asking them to declare their assets is wrong too. 2 wrongs dont make a right. Coz if I demand today someone else declare their assets, then tomorrow I will be forced to declare my assets. I dont want that. I dont want the other to go thru this mess either. Declaring assets would become a security concern in Pakistan. But I reject this idea on the basis of mutual morality.
Read my article and you'll get the idea where I stand.
Aray nahi baba. Look it is none of my business what Mubashar Luqmaan makes. I dont wanna know, I dont need to know. Its none of my business. If Mubashar is saying Politicians should declare their assets, that doesnt mean he should declare their assets because he is not a politician and not drawing his salary from the treasury.
Mubashar should be filing taxes, hencing declaring his assets to the State, like the rest of the Pakistanis do. Thats fair enough for me.
Mubashar should be filing taxes, hencing declaring his assets to the State, like the rest of the Pakistanis do. Thats fair enough for me.
"Kitny LAANTI maaro ge? Ghar ghar se zardari nikly ga!" - xecutioner
Hahahaha! Man, that is SUCH a gem!
Hahahaha! Man, that is SUCH a gem!
What you are pointing is the complete failure of the state. Instead of calling for regulations or laws to check the flow of illegal cash to the media houses this demand for these private and commercial enterprises and individuals to make their finances public is just putting a band aid on a chopped off arm. This is our problem we tend to ignore the root causes and go for the superficial. The problem we face is corruption and instead of calling for whoever we disagree with to make their finances public lets demand that there are laws and regulations put in place to check these illegal practices.
I also don't always agree with Hassan Nisar's argument and I do agree that sometime his facts are not so factual. I am not sure if you read the thread in its entirety and noticed the title. It was never about his status as a philosopher/analyst. I don't think that most are arguing that his words are authoritative and that his views are be accepted without question. One may disagree with his views but that is no ground for demanding to see his finances specially if the taxpayers are not paying his salary.
Couldn't agree more. These are growing pains that, in our case, may go on for eternity.
This is a reflection of our society. I hear you on Kashif Abbasi - but I have figured that these people are providing what the people are craving for. No wonder the talk shows are more popular than the TV dramas. I am beginning to think that these talk shows may have in fact killed the punjabi cinema ;-) Wouldn't you want to take the tabloids and burn them on the biggest pyre - only if wishes were horses......
This world is not fair and it sucks big time!
TRUE!! VERY TRUE!!! Minus Moeed Pirzada and Talat. They do a decent job.
U know why I started writing about Pak issues. because I was frustrated to see how the media is misleading the public and trying to make false public opinions.
Thats one of the MAIN reasons why i joined siasat. Now siasat has become an addiction!
U know why I started writing about Pak issues. because I was frustrated to see how the media is misleading the public and trying to make false public opinions.
Thats one of the MAIN reasons why i joined siasat. Now siasat has become an addiction!
