Hassan Nisar's Salary - mind boggling

[mrk123]

Wow! You are a prolific writer.

My comments inline below.

There are two aspect of the discussion here.

1) Excessive payments received by these so-called Journalists. Be it Hassan or Shahid or Moid. They are in same boat, according to me none of them is a Journalist.

You are so right - Hassan Nisar, Shahid Masood, Mubashir Lucman and many others can't be described as journalists. That's a false or inaccurate characterization of these people. They are opinion makers/analysts or whatever you want to call them but they certainly are not journalists.
Most of them are hacks - except for Dr. Moid (since you mentioned him too). I am not too sure about his professional experience prior to becoming a media personality. Though I know that he is highly educated and has a PhD in political science or similar subject from a prestigious university and not from st. XYZ university as some of our ministers did.

Now, having cleared up that misconception that they are journalists that some may have, whats the problem with their excessive payments?
Are there laws against it? Unless there are laws specifically limiting salaries that private commercial enterprises pay their employees for services they perform this is a moot point. You may show concern but what a private company does is their business - literally.

2) Second point discussed was the Character of Hassan, his distortion of history in almost every program. His tirade against Muslims all the time, based on very loose talk.


Do you disagree with it?

Honestly, I don't disagree with the points you make above (except that I do agree with some of his points he makes about the sense of false sense of superiority and entitlement we feel) and I have stated that already in some of my earlier posts. I guess what made this discussion out of control is that people are using his loose talk, his drinking etc to pore into his financial records. I personally would not employ some of the mannerisms that he does but some of the things that he says I agree with and some I have a serious problem with or find them grossly inaccurate. But, thats true for 95% of the people I hear or read in Pakistani media. That doesn't mean that I start demanding that they make their finances public. And, this my friend is the point of contention here.

For the efficiency of Journalists, I have given my point of view. Show me one single proof that a good meaningful and world standard documentary is presented on any TV channel by any of our these so-called Journalists. Similarly, show me one single policy document prepared by our so-called Journalists and our such huge media?

Let me tell you, the wages they are receiving are even better than European standards. I don't know about America, but they are getting either better or at least at par with their British counterparts, best of them.

In the UK there are only two 24/7 News Channels, BBC 24 and SKY News. This rich country couldn't afford the third news channel, ITV started their 24/7 news channel but they couldn't make it financially viable option.

I hate to repeat myself. Market economies work on supply and demand principle - I am sure you know that and understand that very well. If there are no more TV news channels in UK then that means that there is no business case for it - its not financially feasible for the companies to start more news channels. Businesses offer services that they think will make them money - that's the bottom line. If businessman in Pakistan, for whatever reasons, see that its viable to get into this business and start 101st news channel then so be it.

As for the quality and standard on these channels I completely agree with you that they severely lack either. This mediocrity is part and parcel of Pakistani life in every sphere - not just media. You can't look at things in isolation. Which sector or industry is performing excellently with the highest standard and producing quality at par with UK? You will be hard pressed to name one - if you are very generous then maybe a few but not many.

Think about it instead of criticising what I am writing.

I am sorry if I offended you - but you sure are very sensitive. Brotherly piece of advice - since you are an aspiring writer you have to be a little thick skinned when viewing the responses to your writing. By the way I was not criticizing your writing. I was just raising some questions about what you wrote. I guess you misunderstood or I was lacking in the presented myself.

On British TV, we see documentaries every week on our social problems and other issues. While here problems are not of the magnitude like faced by Pakistan.

Couldn't agree more. This goes back to the argument that most of these people are hacks with no idea or why they are there except to massage their overblown egos and the money is so good. I guess we should not set our expectations too high as with this crop of hacks you would not see any improvement. One of our compatriot won a nobel prize and some went after her with daggers drawn since she dared to show an ugly face of our society. The reason I am so pessimistic is that currently there are no signs that would give you hope for future improvements. These dinosaurs who are hogging the limelight at the moment will not let good and professional people who are deserving to progress in the industry.

Our anchors and hosts bring the guests which are good in fighting, for obvious reason, for their ratings. Most of the time you cannot even hear the arguments in their monkey's fight. What good it serves for Pakistan?

One word - ratings! Do you think that they are really interested in solving Pakistan's complex and out of control problems in a 30 minute show?

Tell me how many scandals are there in Pakistan. Why no one higher up get convicted? Despite our Journalists having plenty of proofs. What role is played by the media?

Do you know how many journalists got killed in Pakistan over the last couple of years? Pakistan had the highest number of journalists death in the world in 2011. Do you think that the people that the journalists will go after will not come after them will all guns blazing? I guess you have been out of Pakistan far too long to realize that this will not happen in Pakistan. Most dealings in Pakistan are not documented. Most of the transactions - specially the illegal ones - are based on word of mouth. You think that Sharifs didn't try to use all of the government machinery to prove corruption cases against Zardari and you think that Zardari is not doing the same right now? The answer is that there are no solid evidence unless some credible witnesses come forward with accompanying proof. Pakistani law enforcement, investigative and prosecution and also judicial branches are as inept as any. On top of it they are weakened with political appointments and severe lack of accountability - they have no independence.
If the government machinery can't find proofs then why do think that journalists will do the unthinkable and even if they did whats the guarantee that the government will be able to prosecute successfully?

I agree with you that Pakistani media is abysmal! There is no doubt about it but the whole system and society is responsible for that in my opinion.

Why Gilani is still a PM despite being convicted? Don't you think media has a role to play to get rid of him?
If he was here, he wouldn't be able to bear the pressure put up by a very small sized media compare to Pakistan.
Watch almost half of Journalists backing him up despite his loot and corruption.

Just now they Geo was showing that despite wide spread corruption by Zardari spreading over two decades, he is never convicted in Pakistan for his loot and corruption. Ask yourself why? If our media is so effective? Why there are no proofs against Zardari? And if there are why is he not convicted?

Ditto from above.

Don't tell me he is innocent.

Do I sound that unreasonable to you? Why do you even ask me that - even if rhetorically? :-)

Our media is useless, without shadow of any doubt. Most over rated and ineffective media in the world.
I gave examples of two Drs. from UK, because I have a very good idea what they were doing in the UK and what were their incomes. Fact, they had no Journalistic experience or Journalistic education either. No wonder Pakistan is a golden bird for them. Giving them golden eggs every month. What would be and was there status in the UK? Can they make such money here if they had any such capabilities?

Forget about Journalism, go and ask Dr. Shahid Masood did he ever practiced and work as a Doctor in the UK? Let me know his answer.
Ask him how he used to survive in the UK? Let me know his answer.

I have no desire to chase down hacks to get their answers. Not worth my time. My advice stop watching them. Pakistani society is full of people like that getting limelight and you are amazed as to how these people get to where they did.

Look man, I am not in the business of likes and dislikes, I have no personal agenda, no favoritism, no political affiliations.
I judge people purely on merits. And I have concluded in my mind Pakistani media is self serving, from owners to the presenters. Pakistan would not change until we bring fundamental changes in our thinking and practices.

You got it! There you go - now you are on the right track. To bring systemic changes you have to change attitude of the audience and the presenters. And, that my friend is a tough ask and some may call it impossible (count me as one of those :-)

"Bhoot hogia dogla pun" and backing up useless people because of our affiliations or whatever other reasons.

Well, its good for you to say that but that should be our policy. I never go for label and call it as I see it even if means that my side loses. To be fair and just in all your dealings is of paramount importance to me. If we are not just in our dealings as individuals then we can't build communities and societies that are just and fair.

Why you think in the west nobody tolerate corrupt people no matter what party they belong. Their own party disown them pronto, and you would never see Media giving them options and opportunities to spread their lies after their gilt or crime is proven in the court of law. They are part of the history. Their local party de-seat them and kick them out of their local ranks, forget about national leadership.

In Pakistan the trend is, the "uneducated Pakistanis" the so-called "Jaylas" are brought to the streets to put counter pressures and to save the skins of the corrupt thugs.

I feel pity for the uneducated Pakistanis, because they are not at fault, they didn't get the opportunities which are available to every kid in the West. They can be excused, their only fault is they shouldn't become the tools of the corrupts.

Agreed....man I am getting tired and I still haven't reached the end :-)

You can give your point of view, but don't criticise my point of view with out valid reasons. What I write make perfect sense to independent and intelligent people. When I wrote "Uneducated Pakistan", I qualified it with the people of Pakistan in the same sentence. something which I have already pointed to a smart Alec. Country is made of its population, "uneducated Pakistan" means "uneducated Pakistanis".

If you think Hassan is excellent writer or "Philosopher" ask him to accept my challenge. I will prove his lies from different talk shows with historical proofs.

I guess I misunderstood you and made that comment. Thanks for clarifying though. I make more mistakes in writing that i can keep count of.
Hassan Nisar is definitely not a philosopher. I do agree with some of the things that he says - but he is not all-knowing and he sometime says things that I disagree with and sometime his facts are off the mark. Having said that the thing I like about him is that he seem to know the Pakistan that I know - he states the frustrations that people face. Thats what I relate to. He maybe a la-deen or not (I don't really care - its his private business) but he makes interesting observations about how we are still stuck in the past and instead of trying to do some introspection and finding ways to improve ourselves as human beings and improving our societies which value excellence and are not strive for mediocrity we dwell in the past glories and feel content with false sense of pride and entitlement.

I think that @Tutor said it very well:

I also liked it very much when he(Hassan Nisar) says that don't make anyone (leader etc) your 'daiwtaa' and start worshipping him,
and I do exactly that! Hassan Nissar or IK or even Myself nobody is my 'daiwtaa'!

Similarly, if you think Dr. Shahid Masood or Dr. Moid are better Journalists, give them and me a topic to write on. Let our work published and let people decide. I am confident I will present far better and informative article compared to them , despite me sitting in London and not having access to most of the material and people they have in access to in Pakistan.

See above comments about hacks - you don't want me to get started on Dr. Masood - lets just leave it at that :-) Dr. Moid seems a little professional to me though he is not a journalist either I believe - but I may be wrong.

Pakistanis should ask themselves why there is now more corruption compare to the past, despite Pakistan having such a massive media presences?

How many people are convicted of serious frauds and corruption in last 4 years?
Time to think, instead of supporting useless, overpaid and overestimated people.

Only if we were good at analyzing ourselves and doing some serious introspection. You don't begin to better yourself unless you realize that you have an issue that you have to take care of. Suppose if I don't admit that I have a serious medical condition even if after feeling severer pain in my knees but still limp around and don't see a doctor then I am sure that if the problem worsens I may fall on my face one day.

I don't care about Hassan's "Ladeeni". But he doesn't have any rights to attack Islam and Muslims in generalised terms.

He has appeared drunk on TV many times. Not even in the west where there are no restrictions on Alcohol, people are tolerated to appear drunk in public talk shows.

I am with you - I was surprised to see him back on TV on the same shows where he appeared incoherent and was clearly under the influence. That tells you the state of affairs in Pakistan and how bad things are.


There you go - I did it. I thought of giving up in the middle as it was getting too long but I just wanted to be fair as you were kind enough to take the time to respond to my post.

 

[crankthskunk]

You are continuously rambling on about how you dont consider Hassan Nisar and others as 'journalists' and how you have thrown down the gauntlet to Hasan Nisar to a duel to the death but he has chickened out.
Im sure he read your message and soiled his pants.
I am yet to read your personal master piece column getting published in any leading newspaper yet you degrade established writers with thousands of readers and multiple decades of experience as if you are a grandmaster at the art of column writing and investigative journalism and everyone else is an amateur.
You should get off your high horse and accept the fact that although you do not like Hasan Nisars style and diction, there are millions who do and that is why he is widely read and liked.

However despite all of your 'firm convictions' , patriotic duel challenges and astute command on journalism, history and politics there is nothing in the law which demands that journalists of private media organizations declare their assets.
You can wish for it, that is your right but if a journalist does not disclose it then you should also avoid 'generalization' that such journalist is corrupt only because he is not succumbing to your personal accountability demands.

Those who have read my columns can make their own minds. As much as printing in a newspaper is concern, I know it wouldn't get published no matter how objective and high standard writing it is. In Pakistan you have to belong to groups and fit in. Something I would never do, no matter what. The evidence is there, what the life time of fitting in has done to my beloved Pakistan. Everyone is fitting in, while Pakistan is fitting out in the world.

But that does not make them good writers or me a bad one.

Secondly, I have given example of Mr. Malick who cannot distinguish between the Christian and family name. Shamefully, he is the editor of the biggest newspaper group in Pakistan. I pointed his mistake to him. Do you seriously think, he would publish my articles? off course not. I still have other avenues to report him, which I may do in due course.

Last week someone who works with Nadeem Paracha was here in London. He told me that Nadeem is a "Mawali" and got the job in "British Council" through "Parchi" and he comes to office in rather disgusting state of hygiene. You are deluded if you think I don't have resources to get published in prominent newspapers. I wouldn't use those avenues, I am not bothered, my words get out and I get appreciations from those who read my material with open hearts.

I am not like these doctors who were Queen's guests in the UK, obviously these are big breaks for them. Dr. Shahid is a case in point, everyone knows what paths he has taken and where he is now. I am sure he is leaving Express soon. I on the other hand can earn my dough perfectly fine here and had happy with my day job; I only write as a hobby.

Anyway, the point is you still didn't provides proofs of the incredible writings and ramblings of Hassan in talk shows. The discussion here is if he can substantiate his comments with hard evidence?

Secondly, you didn't show us ground breaking work by our over paid Journalists. It proves that they are not worth the money they are paid. Otherwise you would have been able to produce their ground breaking works, either in writing or in documentaries.

How many problems Pakistan faces? How many solutions our Journalists and so called "Danishwers" provides for Pakistan's problems? I have not seen one single person who is even remotely inclined or experienced to write proper researched work. No wonder crooks like Zardari and Gilani having field day in Pakistan. The thieves know how easy is for them to belittle and fool our stupid presenters. Give me example of one tough interview you have seen on the TV. On the other hand I can provide you plenty of examples from the visits of Kerry and Clinton, to prove my points how disgustingly inept our media really is. Pakistani presenters are midgets, fact. In any other country if their country was under constant pressure by their enemies the press would be anxiously waiting for such personality to appear so they can rip them apart with their questions to put their country's point of view and practices across in forceful manner.

Your failure to produce their work despite them being going for almost a decade, is proof in itself of their uselessness and over priced wages. I can promise you the only place they can work in the West would be in an Indian takeaway. Says it all.

it is enough of your tittle tattle, now don't bother unless you provide something concrete in support of their abilities and for your point of view.

 

[awan4ever]

Secondly, I have given example of Mr. Malick who cannot distinguish between the Christian and family name. Shamefully, he is the editor of the biggest newspaper group in Pakistan. I pointed his mistake to him. Do you seriously think, he would publish my articles? off course not. I still have other avenues to report him, which I may do in due course.​

So that is the only criteria to discredit a journalist? He made a mistake in getting someones name right...lo je baykaar admi hay...sari degrees, experience ko aag laga do...

Last week someone who works with Nadeem Paracha was here in London. He told me that Nadeem is a "Mawali" and got the job in "British Council" through "Parchi" and he comes to office in rather disgusting state of hygiene. ​

Im not a fan of NFP but wow...again 'great' reasoning to discredit him..he doesnt shower! Bravo.

You are deluded if you think I don't have resources to get published in prominent newspapers. I wouldn't use those avenues, I am not bothered, my words get out and I get appreciations from those who read my material with open hearts. ​

You are the one with delusions of superiority.
Yea right...everyone who cant get published and thinks too high of themselves says the same things.

"Ager mein kerna chahoon tu ker sakta hoon per kerta nahi".

Anyway, the point is you still didn't provides proofs of the incredible writings and ramblings of Hassan in talk shows. The discussion here is if he can substantiate his comments with hard evidence?​

His writings are in the public sphere along with his videos. I think highly of them. You dont. Difference of opinion.

How many problems Pakistan faces? How many solutions our Journalists and so called "Danishwers" provides for Pakistan's problems?​

That question should be asked of people who represent the people through the ballot. Journalists can only form opinions. I form my opinions after listening to Hasan Nisar, you form your opinions reading those you like.


If you have appointed yourself the doyen of the effectiveness of media outlets that doesnt mean everyone has to buy your stupid patriotic bullsh*t rhetoric. I will say what I have to say and a pip squeak like you who has probably spent all his life abroad should think twice before trying to take on people who have lived all their lives in Pakistan and earned spoken out against traditional norms and torn down stupid lessons in morality and chivalry based on lies of the ruling class.

 

[crankthskunk]

You are so right - Hassan Nisar, Shahid Masood, Mubashir Lucman and many others can't be described as journalists. That's a false or inaccurate characterization of these people. They are opinion makers/analysts or whatever you want to call them but they certainly are not journalists.


Most of them are hacks - except for Dr. Moid (since you mentioned him too). I am not too sure about his professional experience prior to becoming a media personality. Though I know that he is highly educated and has a PhD in political science or similar subject from a prestigious university and not from st. XYZ university as some of our ministers did.

Bro, you are wrong, Moid is also like Shahid, he is a Physician, and not a PhD. He appeared for a local Asian channel in the UK before picked up by ARY and went back to Pakistan. So his path is not different from Dr. Shahid, they both have similar back grounds and Educations. He has never practiced medicine either in the UK or in Pakistan. He used to work as a custom officer in Pakistan before he decided to come to the UK for study. While Dr. Masood was here on political asylum because of his affiliations with PSF and PPP.

Now, having cleared up that misconception that they are journalists that some may have, whats the problem with their excessive payments?
Are there laws against it?

Did I say anywhere there are laws against it? I wrote they are not worth their dough; they are over price and over hyped rather mediocre, big mouth fools who wouldnt get any decent job in the West. We are talking about their work and if they are worth it, not about the Laws.

Honestly, I don't disagree with the points you make above (except that I do agree with some of his points he makes about the sense of false sense of superiority and entitlement we feel) and I have stated that already in some of my earlier posts. I guess what made this discussion out of control is that people are using his loose talk, his drinking etc to pore into his financial records. I personally would not employ some of the mannerisms that he does but some of the things that he says I agree with and some I have a serious problem with or find them grossly inaccurate. But, thats true for 95% of the people I hear or read in Pakistani media. That doesn't mean that I start demanding that they make their finances public. And, this my friend is the point of contention here.

You see bro; the point is not he uses sound bites which hit a cord with Pakistani people because of the problems they face. I wouldnt hold you responsible for liking some of his talk. The point is, most what he say, he say without reference, without valid proofs and without using correct history. This is sign of an illiterate, but he is presented as a scholar, I only disagree with this practice. Otherwise we have Mr. Rasheed using similar language, but he never claims he is a Scholar. He accepts he is an illiterate.

I hate to repeat myself. Market economies work on supply and demand principle - I am sure you know that and understand that very well. If there are no more TV news channels in UK then that means that there is no business case for it - its not financially feasible for the companies to start more news channels. Businesses offer services that they think will make them money - that's the bottom line. If businessman in Pakistan, for whatever reasons, see that its viable to get into this business and start 101st news channel then so be it.

I never wrote about Market mechanics, Pakistani channels earn most of their income through advertisement during these programs. For them more fighting better for them, people turn in to watch dog fights and they make huge money. But the point is can you classify it as a good omen for Pakistan? What is the difference between these presenters or opinion makers like someone wrote, and Gilani /Zardari? They are all fooling Pakistani nation for their own benefits.

Couldn't agree more. This goes back to the argument that most of these people are hacks with no idea or why they are there except to massage their overblown egos and the money is so good. I guess we should not set our expectations too high as with this crop of hacks you would not see any improvement. One of our compatriot won a nobel prize and some went after her with daggers drawn since she dared to show an ugly face of our society. The reason I am so pessimistic is that currently there are no signs that would give you hope for future improvements. These dinosaurs who are hogging the limelight at the moment will not let good and professional people who are deserving to progress in the industry.

Exactly, to test the notion, I forwarded one article to The News blog. They didnt even respond back. I wrote to Malick and got his response, he wrote, he has forwarded my email to relevant people but he wasnt happy from my strongly worded email. He made a blunder in his email which I duly pointed out to him. Ever since he is off the hook, do you seriously think he is going to publish my work? Off course not, I would be foolish to expect otherwise. I demanded him to produce their policy, but until now I have not received any response. Biggest newspaper in Pakistan working without editorial policy? Shame isnt it?

Fact is, they are rather childish, over grown, meekly when facing foreign dignitaries. I was appalled when I say the interviews conducted by our Journalists when Kerry and Clinton were in Pakistan. Dr. Moid was one among many.

I think we both agree, the quality of Pakistani media is really bad, I never pointed to market forces, my arguments are completely based on ability and rewards. As much as market forces are concern, we see the price fixing of necessities all the time in Pakistan due which Pakistanis suffer. These are bad practices and should be eliminated if Pakistan to progress. I know perfectly capable Journalists and Presenters working for BBC normally get 100K to 200K a year apart from few exceptions. And look at the quality of work they produce. While most of these Unworthy so-called Journalists are getting equivalent of 300K to 500K a year, what a shame.

 

[crankthskunk]

So that is the only criteria to discredit a journalist? He made a mistake in getting someones name right...lo je baykaar admi hay...sari degrees, experience ko aag laga do...

No the point was not that someone used someone's name wrong. But when you use Mr. with someone's first name, it shows lack of grasp on English language. If such stupid person is Editor of the biggest English newspaper in Pakistan, then God bless Pakistan.

Im not a fan of NFP but wow...again 'great' reasoning to discredit him..he doesnt shower! Bravo.

Who said about his writings? I said I was told he even got his job because of the "Parchi". Proof of one's abilities, the "famous parchi" (bigsmile) As for his writings, do you seriously think I have time to read the verbiage of a drunkard?

You are the one with delusions of superiority.
Yea right...everyone who cant get published and thinks too high of themselves says the same things.

No, the proof is in the pudding. So when are you going to show their superior work to me? I am waiting patiently. Or just accept you are arguing for the sake of it, inside your heart you know the facts. So why are you wasting my and your time?

"Ager mein kerna chahoon tu ker sakta hoon per kerta nahi".

Abe, then what would be the difference between me and "Parchi" Nadeem?

His writings are in the public sphere along with his videos. I think highly of them. You dont. Difference of opinion.

Yeah, so why are you pointing towards my posts? I am not entitle to my opinions?

That question should be asked of people who represent the people through the ballot. Journalists can only form opinions. I form my opinions after listening to Hasan Nisar, you form your opinions reading those you like.

Wrong, in the West the journalists would make it a point of their pride and professionalism and make sure the culprits are gone from public life. They would work hardest to expose them and register cases against them if not listened to. I agree with Lucman in this respect, he has started legal proceedings against Sharifs. I appreciated his move in my twitter messages to him.

If you have appointed yourself the doyen of the effectiveness of media outlets that doesnt mean everyone has to buy your stupid patriotic bullsh*t rhetoric. I will say what I have to say and a pip squeak like you who has probably spent all his life abroad should think twice before trying to take on people who have lived all their lives in Pakistan and earned spoken out against traditional norms and torn down stupid lessons in morality and chivalry based on lies of the ruling class

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I think you should mind your language and your temper. Produce the evidence of their superiority and their works or keep quite, I already wrote, no point of wasting my time and yours. I didn't bother to point to your posts.

 

[InsafianPTI]

Thanks but you see about the negative comments they are just my thoughts, i just write them the way they come in my head, thats all i can say in my defense.
by the way which negative thoughts are you referring to?if you can't remember any specific comment than don't worry about it.

well you probably have selective memory because of old age, i'm not old but still have selective memory and thats probably because there is always too much going on in my head.
and yes to learn more and be great one should be humble and confident about the goodness in you-good thinking.

I like humble people and try to be one myself - plus I think I always learn something from others which means that there are more reasons for me to remain grounded.



I know what you mean and I am sure you know that I was kidding about you not being sane.
Your positive comments are appreciated. Well, the negative ones are appreciated too but the positive ones are appreciated a little more :-)



With old age comes selective memory - you tend to keep the important stuff and throw out the irrelevant one out :-)
I do remember our discussion regarding common sense.

 

[mrk123]

Bro, you are wrong, Moid is also like Shahid, he is a Physician, and not a PhD. He appeared for a local Asian channel in the UK before picked up by ARY and went back to Pakistan. So his path is not different from Dr. Shahid, they both have similar back grounds and Educations. He has never practiced medicine either in the UK or in Pakistan. He used to work as a “custom officer” in Pakistan before he decided to come to the UK for study. While Dr. Masood was here on political asylum because of his affiliations with PSF and PPP.

I do stand corrected about awarding Dr. Peerzada a PhD - though I couldn't help myself but correct you too. He doesn't have a similar path or education as Shahid Masood. Here is the entry about him from Wikipedia:

Pirzada qualified as a medical practitioner but did not follow medicine as a career, instead choosing to join the Central Superior Services of Pakistan in 1990, in the 18th Common Training Program (CTP)in the Customs and Excise department. He served in different parts of Pakistan as Assistant Collector and Deputy Collector for Customs(1992–2000). But he then again changed his career track when in 2000, he left the Civil Services to study first at School of International & Public Affairs, (SIPA) Columbia University, New York and later at the London School of Economics (LSE, 2003) and created an altogether new career when he joined an Asian TV channel, Ptv Prime,as an Anchor person, in London in 2005. He later worked, in London, UK, with another Asian television network, ARY TV, as its first Editor World Affairs for Europe. In 2007 he came back to Pakistan as Head of International Desk for GEO TV Network. In December 2008 he joined Dunya News when it was launched.

Did I say anywhere there are laws against it? I wrote they are not worth their dough; they are over price and over hyped rather mediocre, big mouth fools who wouldn’t get any decent job in the West. We are talking about their work and if they are worth it, not about the Laws.

You know what - its hard to argue with you sometime :-) You take the discussion all over the place but when one lists something in context to make it a point you want to strictly stick to the discussion. I agree with you that the standard of Pakistani journalism is abysmal but there are myriad of factors for it and you can't just blame journalism for the state of affairs in Pakistan.

Not sure what do you want me to say more to it.

You see bro; the point is not he uses sound bites which hit a cord with Pakistani people because of the problems they face. I wouldn’t hold you responsible for liking some of his talk. The point is, most what he say, he say without reference, without valid proofs and without using correct history. This is sign of an illiterate, but he is presented as a “scholar”, I only disagree with this practice. Otherwise we have Mr. Rasheed using similar language, but he never claims he is a “Scholar”. He accepts he is an illiterate.

I don't know how to put it. You keep saying that he hits the cord with the Pakistani people facing problems and in previous posts you called them mostly uneducated. I think you are completely wrong - he hits the cord with people who are highly educated and had somehow developed the faculty of thinking for themselves and an ability to challenge the widely held and popular beliefs and not accept them as absolute truths. Unfortunately the poor people of Pakistan never had a shot at any education let alone a decent education. I don't think he is popular in the rural areas or in the lower and lower middle classes - I don't even think that they understand his reasoning.

I only know him as an analyst who gives his opinions - some of his opinions are right on the money and some are off the mark. Do i think that he is a great philosopher or thinker - the answer is no. His views are in line with mine on the prevailing attitudes in our country of sense of superiority, false sense of patriotism and overtly holier than thou behavior. His thoughts about relying on past laurels and adamantly think that this entitles us to claim superiority is misplaced and is hurting us. Another thing that brings him more popularity is how he relates to the people on the street - the common man. He speaks their language and is not esoteric in his approach.

He has his flaws but who doesn't among us?

Alright, enough analyzing HN. Lets stop it - you don't like him, i do like some of the things he says and some I don't and some I dont care about, some really adore him and some hate his guts. The reality is that he will be there and lets just accept that and move on.

I never wrote about Market mechanics, Pakistani channels earn most of their income through advertisement during these programs. For them more fighting better for them, people turn in to watch dog fights and they make huge money. But the point is can you classify it as a good omen for Pakistan? What is the difference between these presenters or opinion makers like someone wrote, and Gilani /Zardari? They are all fooling Pakistani nation for their own benefits.

You don't have to be a graduate of LSE to understand the supply and demand principle and the basics of how market economies work. Even your average "doodh wala" from your mohalla would understand how this works :-)

My point - you have a country of 180 million. Its sad but thats the best we could do. Lets just accept it. Not sure how you are connected with Pakistan and how many times you visit - but if you go there and analyze whats happening in larger society you will see why things are the way they are. I keep saying it and you keep missing it - you can't take things in isolation! You have to look at things in a holistic manner.

Exactly, to test the notion, I forwarded one article to “The News” blog. They didn’t even respond back. I wrote to Malick and got his response, he wrote, he has forwarded my email to relevant people but he wasn’t happy from my strongly worded email. He made a blunder in his email which I duly pointed out to him. Ever since he is off the hook, do you seriously think he is going to publish my work? Off course not, I would be foolish to expect otherwise. I demanded him to produce their policy, but until now I have not received any response. Biggest newspaper in Pakistan working without editorial policy? Shame isn’t it?

I would say keep trying - though one brutally honest piece of advice. Even though I could never be an editor even in my dreams I would not publish your articles either for they are a little standoffish and confrontational. Your heart may be in the right place but you have to loosen up a little and let people decide for themselves after laying out your case instead of coming across that you know all and trying to impose your will on others. Just my 2 cents - you can flame me all you want ;-) I hope that you don't take the comments in a negative way. In their current form I would not be an avid reader of your articles specially given that I do disagree with some of your views which is normal.

Fact is, they are rather childish, over grown, meekly when facing foreign dignitaries. I was appalled when I say the interviews conducted by our Journalists when Kerry and Clinton were in Pakistan. Dr. Moid was one among many.

I think we both agree, the quality of Pakistani media is really bad, I never pointed to market forces, my arguments are completely based on ability and rewards. As much as market forces are concern, we see the price fixing of necessities all the time in Pakistan due which Pakistanis suffer. These are bad practices and should be eliminated if Pakistan to progress. I know perfectly capable “Journalists” and Presenters working for BBC normally get “100K to 200K a year” apart from few exceptions. And look at the quality of work they produce. While most of these “Unworthy” so-called Journalists are getting equivalent of 300K to 500K a year, what a shame.

You keep comparing Pakistani journalists and media to the one in UK. You are forgetting that they have a strong tradition of this industry and they have extremely competent people teaching that in universities and equally competent and excellent professionals tutoring and mentoring the newcomers in this profession. Plus they are highly professional people who take whatever they do seriously. Now - take all of that and invert it and thats what you get in Pakistan :-) There is no comparison - I will repeat myself that we need to go a long way in every aspect of our lives to produce people with highest caliber and professionalism.

As for market deciding the price - I am not saying that it should be free for all ([MENTION=24375]AsifAmeer[/MENTION] will take the libertarian label back from me:-) and there should be no regulation. I am saying that given the way things are supply and demand will set the prices. Now you can argue about the quality of the product but thats just life.

 

[mrk123]

Thanks but you see about the negative comments they are just my thoughts, i just write them the way they come in my head, thats all i can say in my defense.
by the way which negative thoughts are you referring to?if you can't remember any specific comment than don't worry about it.

I was just being preemptive in encouraging you to question and critique my posts. At least I know that one person reads them :-)

well you probably have selective memory because of old age, i'm not old but still have selective memory and thats probably because there is always too much going on in my head.
and yes to learn more and be great one should be humble and confident about the goodness in you-good thinking.

Couldn't agree more with being humble comment! If there was any 'daiwtaa' or person to worship for me then it would have to be the humblest of humble person

 

[awan4ever]

No the point was not that someone used someone's name wrong. But when you use Mr. with someone's first name, it shows lack of grasp on English language. If such stupid person is Editor of the biggest English newspaper in Pakistan, then God bless Pakistan.


Who said about his writings? I said I was told he even got his job because of the "Parchi". Proof of one's abilities, the "famous parchi" (bigsmile) As for his writings, do you seriously think I have time to read the verbiage of a drunkard?



No, the proof is in the pudding. So when are you going to show their superior work to me? I am waiting patiently. Or just accept you are arguing for the sake of it, inside your heart you know the facts. So why are you wasting my and your time?



Abe, then what would be the difference between me and "Parchi" Nadeem?



Yeah, so why are you pointing towards my posts? I am not entitle to my opinions?


Wrong, in the West the journalists would make it a point of their pride and professionalism and make sure the culprits are gone from public life. They would work hardest to expose them and register cases against them if not listened to. I agree with Lucman in this respect, he has started legal proceedings against Sharifs. I appreciated his move in my twitter messages to him.

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I think you should mind your language and your temper. Produce the evidence of their superiority and their works or keep quite, I already wrote, no point of wasting my time and yours. I didn't bother to point to your posts.

So a man is condemned to being a bad editor and journalist because he made a grammatical mistake?
I guess that about ends the debate (if there was any) on your credentials as someone with any remote capabilities to judge a journalist.

More journalistic gems. Someone told you that he knew NFP was on a parchi and that is all it took for you to believe the news.
Im sure your data collection method is the envy of all journalists.

Their work is superior than your random ramblings on internet forums that is why they have viewership and readership in the millions whilst you only toot your own horn on siasat.pk. THAT is the proof in the pudding only you are not the one getting to taste the pudding thus 'angoor khattay hein' as they say in Urdu.

Abe tu parchi laga ker bhe kaheen nahi pohanch sakta. Laga kay dekh lay. Batein baad mein kereen.

Yea go ahead have an opinion. The reason you are getting replies on your opinions is because lots of people do not regard your opinions highly and when you try to act like someone who thinks he is better than others then it is very necessary to tell you otherwise.

Just an example. Fox News is chock full of shady journalists earning million dollar salaries. Last I checked they were all on the job. Correct me if someone in the 'West' made them 'gone' from public life.

Again, if you like to talk, dont tell me to keep quiet. If you want me to shut up, you will have to do take the lead. If this is a time waste then go find something useful to do.

 

[InsafianPTI]

yes I do like and read them if I see any and you are welcome!

about your comment above I think crankthshunk doesn't want to give up on his stance and wants to prove his point with any auguement relavent or irrelavent to the innitial discussion and you end up making same arguement again.

I was just being preemptive in encouraging you to question and critique my posts. At least I know that one person reads them :-)




Couldn't agree more with being humble comment! If there was any 'daiwtaa' or person to worship for me then it would have to be the humblest of humble person

 

[crankthskunk]

1- No, not because someone who told me, it was his colleague and it is on the record who brought Nadeem in his current position.
2- It is not about a Grammatical error, it is about culture, it is quite commonly made mistake in Pakistan. An editor of the "biggest English daily" in Pakistan should no better. The emphasis here is on English.
3- It is not about me, you have been asked about their superior work, why are you shying away? Examples please. By the way I write as a hobby, not paid employee like them. They have their duties to fulfill; they are failing in their duties and they are rubbish in their jobs. Why Pakistan is suffering ? Free media exists in Pakistan for almost a decade, why nothing has been proven against corrupt Zardari?
4- Even about Nawaz Sharif, it was BBC who opened up the Pandora Box how Sharifs transferred money out of Pakistan. Until now they have not sued BBC. Even recently it was a foreign Journalist who has written about the corruption of Sharifs. Sharifs are once again taking no legal action against the man. What Pakistani media has done apart from repeating or referring to the book by a Foreigner? They are still calling the corrupt thief "NS" as "Mian Sahab". Show me one Journalist who could call him a thieve on his face. They are Hypocrites of highest order.
5- Did you see my twitter messages to SS? I called him what he is on his face, a thief and a crook. That's what is needed in Pakistan. So who is better, A**rse lickers or a brave person who could speak the truth?

Now don't waste my time , provide proofs of their superior work, or shut up.

Aitzaz has appeared in numerous talk shows, hour long one to one talk shows. All, I repeat all presenter's failed miserably and never nailed the "Bas**tard" on his lies. Here are my articles on two of his lies. They never do their home work. The don't know jack **** about how to present Political programs. Especially one to one interview on such topics. Don't have brains to collect or present information in legible way.Shame shame and more shame on our Journalists. PPP is getting away by paddling lies, and there is no one there to stop them.

http://www.pkhope.com/nro-and-immunity-for-the-president/

The Immunity had been discussed regularly in the media and Aitzaz has constantly paddled the lie that President has blanket immunity. Not one single presenter has taken on Aitzaz. Show me proof, one single article of this depth and knowledge from any big wig of Pakistan.
Put Aitzaz in front of me and I will show you in half an hour where he stand, guaranteed. Do you seriously think Midgets like Malick would allow an article like this in "the News"? it needs bottle. He used to communicate with me and always said I am too straight and strong in my writings. In other words we are cowards we cannot handle these kind of material.

In the West if Journalists have proofs, they would be daring and call a thief, a thief or a liar a liar without any difficulties. Look at the American, he has boldly written Sharifs stolen millions of dollars from Pakistani nation. No dithering, straight to the point. Now lets see if Sharif have the bottle to sue him.

Here is the second article, which was sent to the News to check if they would publish it. Still waiting for their response what is their editorial policies? No answer why perfectly fine article is not published on their blog while complete rubbish is published regularly.

http://www.pkhope.com/falling-from-grace/

By the way, my articles are legally sound, I challenged them to sue me if they dare, then see what would happen. Similarly, I welcome Sharifs to sue me on my earlier article. I am in London, courts are free here, have a go. I say good luck.

Now put up or shut up, don't waste my time.

 

[crankthskunk]

Mrk123.
I will be brief. HN and his comments hitting the cord with you or people is not the problem, Sheikh does the same, but he call himself an illiterate, while HN calls himself a “Scholar”, which he is not.

I wrote same thing about Moid without going in to details. I clearly wrote he came for study after working in Customs in Pakistan and he never practice medicine. Apart from some extra education by Moid there is not much difference between the two. Shahid has not practiced medicine for decades. Probably he did in his early career after leaving medical college, but not ever since.

As much as my articles are concerned, they are purposefully written in this style. I have already commented on Awan’s post, the American has called Sharifs thieves and listed their theft. You read my articles or not it is your choice.

At times the only option is the blunt option; to call spade a spade, and sometime shock therapy is the only solution of the ills.
Pakistan is where it is because Pakistanis are masters of “ar**se licking” sadly. Look where it has brought us. Need I say more?

You should observe how they interview the corrupt NS, Mian sahib Mian sahib, pathetic, hypocrites. Put him in front of Jeremy Paxman with the history of all his corruption and then see how he rips him apart. That’s what is needed in Pakistan, that’s what I would do. I would be ready with full research and lay them to waste. Which Pakistani Journalist can do that? Result, Sharifs had been stealing for decades and would continue if we continue this approach.

For the first time in my life I fear for the existence of Pakistan. People have to change or lose Pakistan as a country. Very real possibility. See what they are doing in Karachi. Now the Balochs have come in to open and claimed they were given the arms by PPP. While Liar Rehman Malik was spreading the lies that Talibs and BLA were there. Even though it is PPP’s own handy work.

How many months this drama has been played in Pakistan with loss of hundreds of lives?

In which country such blood bath could be tolerated without culprits brought to justice? I say only in Pakistan. And you still want to be proud of Pakistani Journalists? I can only say good luck to you, but you have to agree I have every right to have my opinions based on sound logic.

I have never blamed the poor and uneducated Pakistanis, they are unfortunate they never had the opportunities which I took for granted, so my sympathies are with them. But it is time for them to act for their own sake and for the sake of Pakistan. It is becoming rather urgent and getting a little bit too late. The coming elections are the last chance, I hope Pakistanis realised this scenario.

 

[alimohsan52]

while HN calls himself a “Scholar”, which he is not.

I agree with you I do not believe that Hasan Nisar is a scholar either, just because he makes hard hitting statement some people like him, which I think is a poor benchmark to judge a person.

A scholar would apply a criteria to certain matters to form an opinion or judgment. For Instance, what would be the criteria for somebody to be called a 'thief'. Whilst he harps on about everybody else being a thief he regards MQM as revolutionary. But his so called 'scholarly' mind fails to see that the extortion of the poor is also 'stealing' and the person doing this is a thief. His argument that MQM has 'educated','middle' to 'upper' class people in the assemblies, does not really justify that they are not thieves. For instance, an educated person knows that his party collects extortion and does murder, and he knowingly aids and abets this crime he is also a criminal. The fact he is educated does not excuse him from the fact that he is taking part in a crime. In other words they are 'lower-upper-middle' class educated criminals. However, Hasan Nisar does not seem to apply a criteria that a scholar would apply. Therefore I consider him to be a 'ranter' than a 'scholar'. If the passionate and extreme speeches are the sole criteria for liking an individual, then Bhutto also did such speeches, however, he initiated failed ideas such as socialism which had failed miserably elsewhere in places like Russia.

To cut short I do not regard him as a scholar. He pays visits to MQM and its party head, which points to the fact that he is swayed by hospitality, which should not interfere the work of a scholar.

 

[awan4ever]

1- No, not because someone who told me, it was his colleague and it is on the record who brought Nadeem in his current position.
2- It is not about a Grammatical error, it is about culture, it is quite commonly made mistake in Pakistan. An editor of the "biggest English daily" in Pakistan should no better. The emphasis here is on English.
3- It is not about me, you have been asked about their superior work, why are you shying away? Examples please. By the way I write as a hobby, not paid employee like them. They have their duties to fulfill; they are failing in their duties and they are rubbish in their jobs. Why Pakistan is suffering ? Free media exists in Pakistan for almost a decade, why nothing has been proven against corrupt Zardari?
4- Even about Nawaz Sharif, it was BBC who opened up the Pandora Box how Sharifs transferred money out of Pakistan. Until now they have not sued BBC. Even recently it was a foreign Journalist who has written about the corruption of Sharifs. Sharifs are once again taking no legal action against the man. What Pakistani media has done apart from repeating or referring to the book by a Foreigner? They are still calling the corrupt thief "NS" as "Mian Sahab". Show me one Journalist who could call him a thieve on his face. They are Hypocrites of highest order.
5- Did you see my twitter messages to SS? I called him what he is on his face, a thief and a crook. That's what is needed in Pakistan. So who is better, A**rse lickers or a brave person who could speak the truth?

Now don't waste my time , provide proofs of their superior work, or shut up.

Aitzaz has appeared in numerous talk shows, hour long one to one talk shows. All, I repeat all presenter's failed miserably and never nailed the "Bas**tard" on his lies. Here are my articles on two of his lies. They never do their home work. The don't know jack **** about how to present Political programs. Especially one to one interview on such topics. Don't have brains to collect or present information in legible way.Shame shame and more shame on our Journalists. PPP is getting away by paddling lies, and there is no one there to stop them.

http://www.pkhope.com/nro-and-immunity-for-the-president/

The Immunity had been discussed regularly in the media and Aitzaz has constantly paddled the lie that President has blanket immunity. Not one single presenter has taken on Aitzaz. Show me proof, one single article of this depth and knowledge from any big wig of Pakistan.
Put Aitzaz in front of me and I will show you in half an hour where he stand, guaranteed. Do you seriously think Midgets like Malick would allow an article like this in "the News"? it needs bottle. He used to communicate with me and always said I am too straight and strong in my writings. In other words we are cowards we cannot handle these kind of material.

In the West if Journalists have proofs, they would be daring and call a thief, a thief or a liar a liar without any difficulties. Look at the American, he has boldly written Sharifs stolen millions of dollars from Pakistani nation. No dithering, straight to the point. Now lets see if Sharif have the bottle to sue him.

Here is the second article, which was sent to the News to check if they would publish it. Still waiting for their response what is their editorial policies? No answer why perfectly fine article is not published on their blog while complete rubbish is published regularly.

http://www.pkhope.com/falling-from-grace/

By the way, my articles are legally sound, I challenged them to sue me if they dare, then see what would happen. Similarly, I welcome Sharifs to sue me on my earlier article. I am in London, courts are free here, have a go. I say good luck.

Now put up or shut up, don't waste my time.

Like I said you think you are a bigshot when actually you are a buffoon writing on the internet and grading yourself superior to those who have spent a lifetime in this line of work.

Also your grasp of the English language is flawed too just like Mr. Maalick whom you called out. A lot of grammatical errors there despite your forceful use of big words to show how well read you are.

The fact that you cant find column space anywhere is proof enough of your 'standard'

 

[pkbugs]

lolzzz ... thread start karnay walay ki selection of topic buhat ajeeb -o-gareeb hai .. laikin democracy main sub chalta hai :P I just wanted to ask Hassan Nisaar .. Pehlay wo MQM ka dewana tha ... laikin jab karachi main target Killing huwi & SC decalred that .. MQM is also invoved in target killing .. Hassan Nisar aisay chup huwa jesay .. saanp soongh gya ho .. (cry) .. beside all these ground realities that MQM is Co-partner of Govt. & has equal share in good & bad deeds of Federal Govt .. Hassan Nisar .. will never say a single word against MQM .. ... & Munafqat ki Inteha hai ..

kehnay ka matlab hai aisay journalist kisi be party ko, personality ko .. kissi be wajah sy kissi be time aasmaan pay charha saktay hain .. based on their owen likeness & dislikeness .. even if they know that .. majority of common ppl dont want that ...

laikin kia hai na .. most of the journalist .. love to impose wt they think & feel .. awam kia soochti hai kai nahi .. that doesnt matter at all .. & same is the case with Haroon-ul-Rasheed .. Jiss kay har column ka start & end same same hota hai .. sari dunya burri hai aik he banda changa hai or wo hai " Mera Kaptan "

 

[Shareef]

Hasan Nisar definitely stands tall amongst the few courageous and outspoken journalists that Pakistani media boasts today. His views may appear gloomy to many, but they depict the facts. He deserves what he is getting. My good wishes for him.

 

[PAINDO]

اگر اتنی رقم لیکر اربوں کھربوں لوٹنے والوں کو بے نقاب کر دے تو سودا مہنگا نہیں

 

[crankthskunk]

Like I said you think you are a bigshot when actually you are a buffoon writing on the internet and grading yourself superior to those who have spent a lifetime in this line of work.

Also your grasp of the English language is flawed too just like Mr. Maalick whom you called out. A lot of grammatical errors there despite your forceful use of big words to show how well read you are.

The fact that you cant find column space anywhere is proof enough of your 'standard' so go screw yourself.

I am not here to shut up, Im here to kick your over inflated ego in the nuts.

Yeah sure, life time spent making tea cups for others count for absolutely nothing. You still have not produced any of their master piece to compare the article of mine. Do we need any more proofs than that?

We know the cupboard is bare. Pakistani Journalists don't know ABC of Journalism. So what good are their decades long experiences?
Like I said earlier, you either show the proofs or hold your peace, put up or shut up time is long gone for you. Why you dragging it? If you had any proofs you would have produced it by now.

As for grammar mistakes, I can pick many in most articles, hindsight is a bliss.

The acid tests are the corruption of Asif Ali Zardari, Gilani and Sharifs loot of Pakistani wealth.
Facts, BBC and now the American has exposed Sharifs recently.
Zardari is still not convicted in Pakistan despite him making billions of dollars in loot and commissions.

Where are your stalwart Journalists? What use is their life time work in Journalism, when poor Pakistanis are suffering due to the mega corruption and loot for decades?


Facts are undeniable, like I said I only write as a hobby after realising how inept our Journalists are. They on the other hand have selected Journalism as their profession and earn mega bucks, but their output is zilch. All the proofs of corruption by the Politicians are public knowledge thanks to the insiders who provides the documents on a plate to reporters like Ansar Abbasi and Rauf Klasra, they have admitted it.
No wonder it goes nowhere, because Pakistani Journalists are useless to build pressure and get the results.

You have absolutely no answers to my arguments instead what you have are personal insults or attacks. Who gives a "S**hit" to your opinion?(bigsmile)

 

[awan4ever]

Yeah sure, life time spent making tea cups for others count for absolutely nothing. You still have not produced any of their master piece to compare the article of mine. Do we need any more proofs than that?

I think ALL of Hasan Nisars articles are better than your 'best' crap. Look up anyone. Ankhe3in band ker kay hath rakho article per and compare that with your crap.

We know the cupboard is bare. Pakistani Journalists don't know ABC of Journalism. So what good are their decades long experiences?
Like I said earlier, you either show the proofs or hold your peace, put up or shut up time is long gone for you. Why you dragging it? If you had any proofs you would have produced it by now.

Oh...Pakistani journalists dont know the ABCs of journalism and you are here to teach them. :lol:
Your modus operandi is 'a friend of mine told me...hence it is news'. Great journalism!
Like I said before. you have an inflate ego and a sense of false superiority. You cant make me shut up even if you tried. So quit asking over and over.

As for grammar mistakes, I can pick many in most articles, hindsight is a bliss.

If you could pick them you wouldnt be making so many in your own articles. Ignorance is also bliss.

The acid tests are the corruption of Asif Ali Zardari, Gilani and Sharifs loot of Pakistani wealth.
Facts, BBC and now the American has exposed Sharifs recently.
Zardari is still not convicted in Pakistan despite him making billions of dollars in loot and commissions.

Its easy to expose Sharifs and Zardaris, when was the lasty time any major US network carried out a detailed report on the failures of the US intelligence in 9/11 and Iraq war? How many Wall street big shots have been put behind bars for the financial meltdown? Has anyone taken to task Tony Blair and George Bush for starting wars based on information they knew was cooked? Has Dick Cheney been grilled on any major network for his links with Halliburton and the dubious ways billions of dollars in rebuilding contracts were awarded to Halliburton in Iraq?


Where are your stalwart Journalists? What use is their life time work in Journalism, when poor Pakistanis are suffering due to the mega corruption and loot for decades?

Same questions for US journalists who havent done anything to bring to book the gazillion dollar economic meltdown and falsified wars being fought by their leaders.


Facts are undeniable, like I said I only write as a hobby after realising how inept our Journalists are. They on the other hand have selected Journalism as their profession and earn mega bucks, but their output is zilch. All the proofs of corruption by the Politicians are public knowledge thanks to the insiders who provides the documents on a plate to reporters like Ansar Abbasi and Rauf Klasra, they have admitted it.
No wonder it goes nowhere, because Pakistani Journalists are useless to build pressure and get the results.

Watch the movie 'Inside Job'. See how proofs upon proofs are available to the US government regarding the mega-corruption of the financial institutions yet those who made dubious policies to facilitate these financial institutions are still part of the government.

You have absolutely no answers to my arguments instead what you have are personal insults or attacks. Who gives a "S**hit" to your opinion?(bigsmile)

I have answered all your stupid arguments but your super-ego doesnt let you see or understand anything beyond your own 'superior journalistic work' which only you and your close friends and family probably acknowledge leading you to believe that you are something else.

Nobody gives a sh*t about your 'articles' either. On the other hand people you think are crap are wiping the floor with your sorry ***. :lol:

 

[crankthskunk]

I have answered all your stupid arguments but your super-ego doesnt let you see or understand anything beyond your own 'superior journalistic work' which only you and your close friends and family probably acknowledge leading you to believe that you are something else.

Nobody gives a sh*t about your 'articles' either. On the other hand people you think are crap are wiping the floor with your sorry ***. :lol:

He he, at least they are hard hitting, why can't you produce the masterpieces for comparison, despite making repeated claims?

How many hour long interviews done by Aitzaz with almost all the presenters. Who asked intelligent questions from him and put him in his place? Why he is allowed unchallenged to spread lies through the media, try to portray PPP as victims. While either not raising the issues in the SCP, like Presidential's immunity or his arguments defeated in the court.

If you want to worship the useless Journalists, go ahead, do so. But I am perfectly within my rights to form my own opinion based on undeniable facts.

If you want to read my articles or not, it is your problem. Do you think I should give a "Sh**it" about it?:lol::lol:

Produce the proofs on the abilities of your favorite journalists or keep quite. Do you seriously under the grand illusions that I would give any credence to the personal insulting comments from idiot like you?(bigsmile)