only_truths
Minister (2k+ posts)
I think instead of jumping into conclusions, we should await for the investigation report. There is a conflicting report of people taking responsibility. My sympathies are with Norwegian people.
Explosion rocks Oslo, Bomb blast near Norway prime minister's office
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My reliable sources have informed me that this carnage is the work of Muslim terrorists of the ISI :lol::lol::lol:
My reliable sources have informed me that this carnage is the work of Muslim terrorists of the ISI :lol::lol::lol:
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Analysis: Questions over far-right link in Norwegian attacks
Rescue workers work at the site of a powerful explosion rocked central Oslo July 22, 2011.
Credit: Reuters/Berit Roald/Scanpix
By William Maclean
LONDON | Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:50pm EDT
At least 87 dead in Norway shooting, bomb attack
LONDON (Reuters) - A report that Norway's bomb and gun rampage may be the work of a far-right militant confronts Europe with the possibility that a new paramilitary threat is emerging, a decade after al Qaeda's September 11 attacks.
One analyst called the attacks possibly Europe's "Oklahoma City" moment, a reference to American right-wing militant Timothy McVeigh who detonated a truck bomb at a federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995, killing 168 people.
Police forces in many western European countries worry about rising far-right sentiment, fueled by a toxic mix of anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant bigotry and increasing economic hardship.
But violence, while sometimes fatal, has rarely escalated beyond group thuggery and the use of knives.
That may have changed in Oslo and on the holiday island of Utoeya on Friday. Seven people were killed in a bombing in the capital -- Western Europe's worst since the 2005 London al Qaeda-linked suicide attacks that killed 52 people -- and at least 10 in a shooting rampage by a lake.
Independent Norwegian television TV2 reported on Saturday that the Norwegian man detained after the attacks had links to right-wing extremism.
Police were searching a flat in west Oslo where he lived, TV2 said.
"If true this would be pretty significant - such a far-right attack in Europe, and certainly Scandinavia, would be unprecedented," said Hagai Segal, a security specialist at New York University in London.
"It would be the European/Scandinavian equivalent of Oklahoma City - an attack by a individual (with extremist anti-government views, linked to certain groups) aimed at the government by attacking its buildings/institutions."
"The next key question is whether he was acting alone, or whether he is part of a group."
A report by European police agency Europol on security in 2010 said that there was no right-wing terrorism on the continent in that period.
GROWING PROFESSIONALISM
But it added the far right was becoming very professional at producing online propaganda of an anti-Semitic and xenophobic nature and was increasingly active in online social networking.
"Although the overall threat from right-wing extremism appears to be on the wane and the numbers of right-wing extremist criminal offences are relatively low, the professionalism in their propaganda and organization shows that right-wing extremist groups have the will to enlarge and spread their ideology and still pose a threat in EU member states," it said.
If the unrest in the Arab world, especially in North Africa, leads to a major influx of immigrants into Europe, "right-wing extremism and terrorism might gain a new lease of life by articulating more widespread public apprehension about immigration from Muslim countries into Europe," it added.
Public manifestations of right-wing extremism can often provoke counter-activity by extreme left-wing groups. Such confrontations invariably result in physical violence.
In May 2010, a far-right supporter was assaulted and knifed in Sweden during a demonstration staged by a white supremacist movement. An activist was arrested on suspicion of aggravated assault and attempted murder.
The Swedish Security Service says on its website that the so-called White Power scene is made up individuals, groups and networks with right-wing extremist views prepared to use violence for political gain.
In a speech in September 2010, Jonathan Evans, the Director-General of Britain's MI5 Security Service, cited a notorious far-right militant in a passage describing the security outlook for the country.
"Determination can take you a long way and even determined amateurs can cause devastation. The case of the neo-Nazi David Copeland, who attacked the gay and ethnic minority communities with such appalling results in 1999, is a good example of the threat posed by the determined lone bomber."
Copeland struck three targets in London with nail bombs. Three people were killed and scores were wounded at a gay bar in Soho. It followed attacks against the Muslim community in Brick Lane, east London, and a market in Brixton, south London.
In an unclassified 2011 national security outlook published by the Norway Police Security Service (PST) in February 2011, the service said it saw a picture of "increased uncertainty."
Part of that was due to what it called an expected increased level of activity in 2011 by far-right militants.
"Norwegian far-right extremists are in contact with Swedish far-right extremists, as well as with other far-right extremist groups in Europe. Contact also takes place between Norwegian and Russian far-right extremists," it said.
"An increased level of activity among some anti-Islamic groups could lead to increased polarization and unease, especially during, and in connection with, commemorations and demonstrations."
In Britain, police chiefs and Muslim groups are worried about a rise in attacks by far-right groups, and in 2009 one senior officer, Commander Shaun Sawyer, from London's counter-terrorism unit, told a meeting of the Muslim Safety Forum that senior officers had increased surveillance of suspects to monitor their ability to stage attacks.
"I fear that they will have a spectacular ... They will carry out an attack that will lead to a loss of life or injury to a community somewhere," he said.
An analysis by Michael Whine, the Government and International Affairs Director at the Community Security Trust, an agency of the UK Jewish community, said the willingness to employ extreme violence in defense of European 'values' is apparent in the ideology of several groups, among them the British Patriots of the White European Resistance (POWER), which emerged in 2006, and which claims supporters in Croatia, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Serbia, Switzerland, Slovenia, and Sweden.
Security specialist Segal said of Friday's bombing and shootings: "The tactics and actuality of these attacks would be quite striking if carried out by a domestic far-right actor - trying to kill Norway's PM is one thing and not surprising from any extremist elements, but killing average citizens in this manner is very, very unusual indeed for far-right/supremacists, and certainly for ones in Europe."
Norway Attacks: Suspect’s Social Media Trail Examined
As the death toll mounts in the most horrific violence Norway has seen since World War II, local police have arrested the suspected perpetrator of both the bombing and the shooting at a children’s summer camp. His name is Anders Behring Breivik, a 32-year-old man reportedly spotted at the scene of the bombing. Police believe he was acting alone.
According to multiple news reports in Norway and Sweden, Brievik belonged to Oslo’s extreme right wing. He was a frequent poster in Norwegian right-wing online forums, the accounts said, and had two guns registered to his name. He also appears to have launched a social media presence just days before the attacks.
In Breivik’s Facebook account, now removed, the suspect identifies himself as a Christian conservative. However, that was far from his only interest. Breivik also listed himself as a fan of World of Warcraft, Modern Warfare 2, bodybuilding and stock analysis. The account, which appeared to have only been started last week, was mostly filled with music videos. Breivik, who listed himself as single, said he had completed “3,000 hours of study in micro and macro finance, religion.”
Breivik appears to have started a Twitter account on the same day as he launched his Facebook presence, July 17. The account, which has not been removed, has just one tweet to its name. It’s a quote from the philosopher John Stuart Mill: “One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests.”
The attacks may well have been politically motivated. The bombing took place outside a building where the Prime Minister, who wasn’t present, has an office. And the purpose of the summer camp on the island of Utoya was to teach teenagers about politics.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/23/us-norway-blast-right-idUSTRE76M09D20110723
Analysis: Questions over far-right link in Norwegian attacks
Credit: Reuters/Berit Roald/Scanpix
By William Maclean
LONDON | Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:50pm EDT
At least 87 dead in Norway shooting, bomb attack
LONDON (Reuters) - A report that Norway's bomb and gun rampage may be the work of a far-right militant confronts Europe with the possibility that a new paramilitary threat is emerging, a decade after al Qaeda's September 11 attacks.
One analyst called the attacks possibly Europe's "Oklahoma City" moment, a reference to American right-wing militant Timothy McVeigh who detonated a truck bomb at a federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995, killing 168 people.
Police forces in many western European countries worry about rising far-right sentiment, fueled by a toxic mix of anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant bigotry and increasing economic hardship.
But violence, while sometimes fatal, has rarely escalated beyond group thuggery and the use of knives.
That may have changed in Oslo and on the holiday island of Utoeya on Friday. Seven people were killed in a bombing in the capital -- Western Europe's worst since the 2005 London al Qaeda-linked suicide attacks that killed 52 people -- and at least 10 in a shooting rampage by a lake.
Independent Norwegian television TV2 reported on Saturday that the Norwegian man detained after the attacks had links to right-wing extremism.
Police were searching a flat in west Oslo where he lived, TV2 said.
"If true this would be pretty significant - such a far-right attack in Europe, and certainly Scandinavia, would be unprecedented," said Hagai Segal, a security specialist at New York University in London.
"It would be the European/Scandinavian equivalent of Oklahoma City - an attack by a individual (with extremist anti-government views, linked to certain groups) aimed at the government by attacking its buildings/institutions."
"The next key question is whether he was acting alone, or whether he is part of a group."
A report by European police agency Europol on security in 2010 said that there was no right-wing terrorism on the continent in that period.
GROWING PROFESSIONALISM
But it added the far right was becoming very professional at producing online propaganda of an anti-Semitic and xenophobic nature and was increasingly active in online social networking.
"Although the overall threat from right-wing extremism appears to be on the wane and the numbers of right-wing extremist criminal offences are relatively low, the professionalism in their propaganda and organization shows that right-wing extremist groups have the will to enlarge and spread their ideology and still pose a threat in EU member states," it said.
If the unrest in the Arab world, especially in North Africa, leads to a major influx of immigrants into Europe, "right-wing extremism and terrorism might gain a new lease of life by articulating more widespread public apprehension about immigration from Muslim countries into Europe," it added.
Public manifestations of right-wing extremism can often provoke counter-activity by extreme left-wing groups. Such confrontations invariably result in physical violence.
In May 2010, a far-right supporter was assaulted and knifed in Sweden during a demonstration staged by a white supremacist movement. An activist was arrested on suspicion of aggravated assault and attempted murder.
The Swedish Security Service says on its website that the so-called White Power scene is made up individuals, groups and networks with right-wing extremist views prepared to use violence for political gain.
In a speech in September 2010, Jonathan Evans, the Director-General of Britain's MI5 Security Service, cited a notorious far-right militant in a passage describing the security outlook for the country.
"Determination can take you a long way and even determined amateurs can cause devastation. The case of the neo-Nazi David Copeland, who attacked the gay and ethnic minority communities with such appalling results in 1999, is a good example of the threat posed by the determined lone bomber."
Copeland struck three targets in London with nail bombs. Three people were killed and scores were wounded at a gay bar in Soho. It followed attacks against the Muslim community in Brick Lane, east London, and a market in Brixton, south London.
In an unclassified 2011 national security outlook published by the Norway Police Security Service (PST) in February 2011, the service said it saw a picture of "increased uncertainty."
Part of that was due to what it called an expected increased level of activity in 2011 by far-right militants.
"Norwegian far-right extremists are in contact with Swedish far-right extremists, as well as with other far-right extremist groups in Europe. Contact also takes place between Norwegian and Russian far-right extremists," it said.
"An increased level of activity among some anti-Islamic groups could lead to increased polarization and unease, especially during, and in connection with, commemorations and demonstrations."
In Britain, police chiefs and Muslim groups are worried about a rise in attacks by far-right groups, and in 2009 one senior officer, Commander Shaun Sawyer, from London's counter-terrorism unit, told a meeting of the Muslim Safety Forum that senior officers had increased surveillance of suspects to monitor their ability to stage attacks.
"I fear that they will have a spectacular ... They will carry out an attack that will lead to a loss of life or injury to a community somewhere," he said.
An analysis by Michael Whine, the Government and International Affairs Director at the Community Security Trust, an agency of the UK Jewish community, said the willingness to employ extreme violence in defense of European 'values' is apparent in the ideology of several groups, among them the British Patriots of the White European Resistance (POWER), which emerged in 2006, and which claims supporters in Croatia, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Serbia, Switzerland, Slovenia, and Sweden.
Security specialist Segal said of Friday's bombing and shootings: "The tactics and actuality of these attacks would be quite striking if carried out by a domestic far-right actor - trying to kill Norway's PM is one thing and not surprising from any extremist elements, but killing average citizens in this manner is very, very unusual indeed for far-right/supremacists, and certainly for ones in Europe."
Norway Attacks: Suspect’s Social Media Trail Examined
According to multiple news reports in Norway and Sweden, Brievik belonged to Oslo’s extreme right wing. He was a frequent poster in Norwegian right-wing online forums, the accounts said, and had two guns registered to his name. He also appears to have launched a social media presence just days before the attacks.
In Breivik’s Facebook account, now removed, the suspect identifies himself as a Christian conservative. However, that was far from his only interest. Breivik also listed himself as a fan of World of Warcraft, Modern Warfare 2, bodybuilding and stock analysis. The account, which appeared to have only been started last week, was mostly filled with music videos. Breivik, who listed himself as single, said he had completed “3,000 hours of study in micro and macro finance, religion.”
Breivik appears to have started a Twitter account on the same day as he launched his Facebook presence, July 17. The account, which has not been removed, has just one tweet to its name. It’s a quote from the philosopher John Stuart Mill: “One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests.”
The attacks may well have been politically motivated. The bombing took place outside a building where the Prime Minister, who wasn’t present, has an office. And the purpose of the summer camp on the island of Utoya was to teach teenagers about politics.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/23/us-norway-blast-right-idUSTRE76M09D20110723
I work for the ambulance in oslo, and I can tell you that it was a 32 year old ethnic norwegian person, who had anti islam believes. He first detonated a bomb near the parliament, before driving to utya where the youth organization for the current government was holding a ceremony, he then started killing atleast 80 people under the age of 18.
M Ali Khan
Minister (2k+ posts)
http://electronicintifada.net/blog/...set-media-suspicion-muslims-after-oslo-horror
How a clueless "terrorism expert" set media suspicion on Muslims after Oslo horror
Submitted by Benjamin Doherty on Sat, 07/23/2011 - 00:27
Immediately after news of the bombing of government buildings in Norway’s capital Oslo, the Internet buzzed with speculation about who might have done it and why. Most speculation focused on so-called Islamist militancy and Muslims. The urge to speculate after grave events is understandable, but the focus of speculation, its amplification through social media, its legitimization in mainstream media, and the privilege granted to so-called experts is a common pattern.
The danger of such speculation is that it adds little knowledge but causes real harm by spreading fear and loathing of Muslims, immigrants and other vulnerable and routinely demonized populations, and whether intentional or not, assigns collective guilt to them.
“Experts” who supposedly study this topic — almost always white men and very often with military or government backgrounds — direct suspicion toward Muslims by pointing to claims of responsibility on “jihadi” web sites that only they have access to. Notorious attacks invariably inspire false claims of responsibility, or false reports of claims of responsibility, but this apparently doesn’t discourage the media and experts from giving them undue attention.
From the “experts” to The New York Times to the world… The New York Times originally reported:
The source is Will McCants, adjunct faculty at John Hopkins University. On his website he describes himself as formerly “Senior Adviser for Countering Violent Extremism at the U.S. Department of State, program manager of the Minerva Initiative at the Department of Defense, and fellow at West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center.”
This morning, he posted “Alleged Claim for Oslo Attacks” on his blog Jihadica:
The Shmukh web site is not accessible to just anyone, so he is the primary source for this claim. McCants stated from the beginning that the claim had been removed or hidden, and on Twitter he even cast doubt on whether it was a claim of responsibility at all.
@will_mccants
Will McCants This is not necessarily a claim of responsibility. Could just be forum user blowing hot air. forum members also confused abt who this guy is
Jul 22 via webFavoriteRetweetReply
@will_mccants
Will McCants For those asking, the “claim” from the Helpers of the Global Jihad was posted to Shmukh, the most elite jihadi forum (it’s in Arabic)
Jul 22 via webFavoriteRetweetReply
@will_mccants
Will McCants @leialya it is a password protected forum. you won’t be able to access it without password. www.shamikh1.info
Jul 22 via webFavoriteRetweetReply
McCants later reported that the claim of responsibility was retracted by the author “Abu Sulayman al-Nasir.” Furthermore, according to McCants, the moderator of this forum declared that speculation about the attack would be prohibited because the contents of the forum were appearing in mainstream media. It does seem more than a little bit odd that genuine “jihadis” would post on a closed forum that a former US official and “counterterrorism expert” openly writes about infiltrating.
@will_mccants
Will McCants Shmukh forum administrator warning members not to speculate on who’s behind #oslo attacks. Says will cut threads that speculate
Jul 22 via webFavoriteRetweetReply
@will_mccants
Will McCants Shmukh members speculating that reason for admin shutting down speculation is due to media getting their info straight from the forum #oslo
Jul 22 via webFavoriteRetweetReply
It’s too bad McCants didn’t exercise the caution and restraint that he says the forum moderator did.
All of this comes only from Will McCants. In his original post, he named the source and identified the organization (in Arabic) but provided no context. Did he know who the author Abu Sulayman al-Nasir was? Had he heard of this group Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami before? These are the kinds of answers a “terrorism expert” should provide.
How media amplified a false claim
The media also failed. They reported on the claims McCants disseminated because his position and perceived expertise gave these claims credibility. Would The New York Times have required multiple sources and independent confirmation of the existence of the posting and its contents if it had not come from someone with McCants’ supposedly solid credentials?
For hours after McCants posted the update that the claim of responsibility was retracted, BBC, the New York Times, The Guardian, The Washington Post were still promoting information originally sourced from him. The news was carried around the world and became the main story line in much of the initial coverage.
The threshold for a terrorism expert must be very low. This whole rush to disseminate a false, unverifiable and flimsily sourced claim strikes me as a case of an elite fanboy wanting to be the first to pass on leaked gadget specs.
In fact, much of the online discussion today focused on the notion of terrorism expertise, what it means and who has it.
bungdanDan Murphy
Dear Friends, there are no experts on terrorism. There are experts on Norway, on particular “terrorist” groups etc..
Jul 22FavoriteRetweetReply
blakehounshellBlake Hounshell
@bungdan actually there are lots of experts on terrorist tactics
Jul 22FavoriteRetweetReply
bungdanDan Murphy
@blakehounshell see following tweet. My (awkwardly expressed) point is that experts in the tactics, aint experts ideologies/spec. groups etc
Jul 22FavoriteRetweetReply
blakehounshellBlake Hounshell
@bungdan I don’t think that’s true either. Lots of folks knowledgeable about both tactics and ideologies. People like Ali Soufan, etc.
Jul 22FavoriteRetweetReply
bungdanDan Murphy
@blakehounshell Ok. But someone announced as CT expert is usually spouting nonsense bout cultures theyve not studied. maybe im just wrong.
Jul 22FavoriteRetweetReply
abumuqawamaAndrew Exum
@bungdan Before you go any farther, stop and read this excellent if dated essay by Norway’s own Thomas Hegghammer: http://bit.ly/pP8RiK
Jul 22FavoriteRetweetReply
bungdanDan Murphy
@abumuqawama I will. Do you think the general point im trying to make ridiculous? Have you seen the experts advising US cops on “muslims”
Jul 22FavoriteRetweetReply
in reply to @bungdan↑
@blakehounshell
Blake Hounshell @bungdan @abumuqawama I would put it this way: the ideology/culture folks are more likely to know something about tactics than the reverse
Jul 22 via Twitter for MacFavoriteRetweetReply
Coincidentally, Andrew Exum from the Center for a New American Security posted his top 5 terrorism experts, and McCants was at the very top.
@abumuqawama
Andrew Exum OK, you asked for it, and now you’ve got it. My list of five terrorism experts you can trust: http://bit.ly/r1zK9u @bungdan
Jul 22 via TweetDeckFavoriteRetweetReply
Speculation hurts real people
A crucial absence in everyone’s concept of “terrorism expertise” is insight into the functioning of this knowledge in a sensationalistic, reckless media and political environment where Islamophobia is the norm. Even the Christian President of the United States is routinely suspected of being Muslim as if it were a crime, and accused of sympathy with Islamist “radicals” and “terrorists.”
Disseminating false, unverifiable information should be a blemish on McCants’ credibility, but what is more likely is that his failure will harm other communities elsewhere before it harms his career.
@runehak
Rune Hkonsen Tweets tell of harrasment against muslims in Oslo - stop this if you see it happening! #osloexpl#oslobomb#whys
Jul 22 via TweetDeckFavoriteRetweetReply
@arnfinnhs
Arnfinn Storsveen Is overwhelmed over the support for Norway from muslims worldwide, even though the press early argued it was an islamic terrorist act. Thanx
Jul 23 via webFavoriteRetweetReply
As the scale of the catastrophe to strike Norway was revealed, we also learned that Anders Behring Breivik, the only suspect to be arrested in the attack, had a history of disseminating anti-Muslim and xenophobic ideas on the Internet, and cited approvingly none other than Daniel Pipes, a notorious Islamophobe, Bush administration appointee to the United States Institute of Peace and self-described “terrorism expert.”
How a clueless "terrorism expert" set media suspicion on Muslims after Oslo horror
Submitted by Benjamin Doherty on Sat, 07/23/2011 - 00:27
Immediately after news of the bombing of government buildings in Norway’s capital Oslo, the Internet buzzed with speculation about who might have done it and why. Most speculation focused on so-called Islamist militancy and Muslims. The urge to speculate after grave events is understandable, but the focus of speculation, its amplification through social media, its legitimization in mainstream media, and the privilege granted to so-called experts is a common pattern.
The danger of such speculation is that it adds little knowledge but causes real harm by spreading fear and loathing of Muslims, immigrants and other vulnerable and routinely demonized populations, and whether intentional or not, assigns collective guilt to them.
“Experts” who supposedly study this topic — almost always white men and very often with military or government backgrounds — direct suspicion toward Muslims by pointing to claims of responsibility on “jihadi” web sites that only they have access to. Notorious attacks invariably inspire false claims of responsibility, or false reports of claims of responsibility, but this apparently doesn’t discourage the media and experts from giving them undue attention.
From the “experts” to The New York Times to the world… The New York Times originally reported:
A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism.
In later editions, the story was revised to read:
Initial reports focused on the possibility of Islamic militants, in particular Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or Helpers of the Global Jihad, cited by some analysts as claiming responsibility for the attacks. American officials said the group was previously unknown and might not even exist.
The source is Will McCants, adjunct faculty at John Hopkins University. On his website he describes himself as formerly “Senior Adviser for Countering Violent Extremism at the U.S. Department of State, program manager of the Minerva Initiative at the Department of Defense, and fellow at West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center.”
This morning, he posted “Alleged Claim for Oslo Attacks” on his blog Jihadica:
This was posted by Abu Sulayman al-Nasir to the Arabic jihadi forum, Shmukh, around 10:30am EST (thread 118187). Shmukh is the main forum for Arabic-speaking jihadis who support al-Qaeda. Since the thread is now inaccessible (either locked or taken down), I am posting it here. I don’t have time at the moment to translate the whole thing but I translated the most important bits on twitter.
The Shmukh web site is not accessible to just anyone, so he is the primary source for this claim. McCants stated from the beginning that the claim had been removed or hidden, and on Twitter he even cast doubt on whether it was a claim of responsibility at all.
@will_mccantsWill McCants This is not necessarily a claim of responsibility. Could just be forum user blowing hot air. forum members also confused abt who this guy is
Jul 22 via webFavoriteRetweetReply
@will_mccantsWill McCants For those asking, the “claim” from the Helpers of the Global Jihad was posted to Shmukh, the most elite jihadi forum (it’s in Arabic)
Jul 22 via webFavoriteRetweetReply
@will_mccantsWill McCants @leialya it is a password protected forum. you won’t be able to access it without password. www.shamikh1.info
Jul 22 via webFavoriteRetweetReply
McCants later reported that the claim of responsibility was retracted by the author “Abu Sulayman al-Nasir.” Furthermore, according to McCants, the moderator of this forum declared that speculation about the attack would be prohibited because the contents of the forum were appearing in mainstream media. It does seem more than a little bit odd that genuine “jihadis” would post on a closed forum that a former US official and “counterterrorism expert” openly writes about infiltrating.
@will_mccantsWill McCants Shmukh forum administrator warning members not to speculate on who’s behind #oslo attacks. Says will cut threads that speculate
Jul 22 via webFavoriteRetweetReply
@will_mccantsWill McCants Shmukh members speculating that reason for admin shutting down speculation is due to media getting their info straight from the forum #oslo
Jul 22 via webFavoriteRetweetReply
It’s too bad McCants didn’t exercise the caution and restraint that he says the forum moderator did.
All of this comes only from Will McCants. In his original post, he named the source and identified the organization (in Arabic) but provided no context. Did he know who the author Abu Sulayman al-Nasir was? Had he heard of this group Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami before? These are the kinds of answers a “terrorism expert” should provide.
How media amplified a false claim
The media also failed. They reported on the claims McCants disseminated because his position and perceived expertise gave these claims credibility. Would The New York Times have required multiple sources and independent confirmation of the existence of the posting and its contents if it had not come from someone with McCants’ supposedly solid credentials?
For hours after McCants posted the update that the claim of responsibility was retracted, BBC, the New York Times, The Guardian, The Washington Post were still promoting information originally sourced from him. The news was carried around the world and became the main story line in much of the initial coverage.
The threshold for a terrorism expert must be very low. This whole rush to disseminate a false, unverifiable and flimsily sourced claim strikes me as a case of an elite fanboy wanting to be the first to pass on leaked gadget specs.
In fact, much of the online discussion today focused on the notion of terrorism expertise, what it means and who has it.
bungdanDan Murphy
Dear Friends, there are no experts on terrorism. There are experts on Norway, on particular “terrorist” groups etc..
Jul 22FavoriteRetweetReply
blakehounshellBlake Hounshell
@bungdan actually there are lots of experts on terrorist tactics
Jul 22FavoriteRetweetReply
bungdanDan Murphy
@blakehounshell see following tweet. My (awkwardly expressed) point is that experts in the tactics, aint experts ideologies/spec. groups etc
Jul 22FavoriteRetweetReply
blakehounshellBlake Hounshell
@bungdan I don’t think that’s true either. Lots of folks knowledgeable about both tactics and ideologies. People like Ali Soufan, etc.
Jul 22FavoriteRetweetReply
bungdanDan Murphy
@blakehounshell Ok. But someone announced as CT expert is usually spouting nonsense bout cultures theyve not studied. maybe im just wrong.
Jul 22FavoriteRetweetReply
abumuqawamaAndrew Exum
@bungdan Before you go any farther, stop and read this excellent if dated essay by Norway’s own Thomas Hegghammer: http://bit.ly/pP8RiK
Jul 22FavoriteRetweetReply
bungdanDan Murphy
@abumuqawama I will. Do you think the general point im trying to make ridiculous? Have you seen the experts advising US cops on “muslims”
Jul 22FavoriteRetweetReply
in reply to @bungdan↑
@blakehounshellBlake Hounshell @bungdan @abumuqawama I would put it this way: the ideology/culture folks are more likely to know something about tactics than the reverse
Jul 22 via Twitter for MacFavoriteRetweetReply
Coincidentally, Andrew Exum from the Center for a New American Security posted his top 5 terrorism experts, and McCants was at the very top.
@abumuqawamaAndrew Exum OK, you asked for it, and now you’ve got it. My list of five terrorism experts you can trust: http://bit.ly/r1zK9u @bungdan
Jul 22 via TweetDeckFavoriteRetweetReply
Speculation hurts real people
A crucial absence in everyone’s concept of “terrorism expertise” is insight into the functioning of this knowledge in a sensationalistic, reckless media and political environment where Islamophobia is the norm. Even the Christian President of the United States is routinely suspected of being Muslim as if it were a crime, and accused of sympathy with Islamist “radicals” and “terrorists.”
Disseminating false, unverifiable information should be a blemish on McCants’ credibility, but what is more likely is that his failure will harm other communities elsewhere before it harms his career.
@runehakRune Hkonsen Tweets tell of harrasment against muslims in Oslo - stop this if you see it happening! #osloexpl#oslobomb#whys
Jul 22 via TweetDeckFavoriteRetweetReply
@arnfinnhsArnfinn Storsveen Is overwhelmed over the support for Norway from muslims worldwide, even though the press early argued it was an islamic terrorist act. Thanx
Jul 23 via webFavoriteRetweetReply
As the scale of the catastrophe to strike Norway was revealed, we also learned that Anders Behring Breivik, the only suspect to be arrested in the attack, had a history of disseminating anti-Muslim and xenophobic ideas on the Internet, and cited approvingly none other than Daniel Pipes, a notorious Islamophobe, Bush administration appointee to the United States Institute of Peace and self-described “terrorism expert.”
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GeoG
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Terex, Bravo or under whatever other names you are operating
Why are you licking Arab Shoe,
Taira Bharat Mahan, Jao Ja Kar Calcutta Ki Sarkon Par Apna Ghar Banao
Yeh Musalmano Ka Diya Hua Tumhray Mazhab Main Jaiz Hai Kia....
Re: Christian Al-Qaeda, A New danger, West's self created Monster
The 32-year-old after a shootout with at least 84 deaths and an explosion in Oslo, with seven dead, the police arrested suspects are puzzling. He should be a right-winger with anti-Islamic views, but have no connection to the extreme right. "He came out of nowhere," said a police officer with The Associated Press.
The Norwegian NRK television and other media identified the suspect as Anders Behring example, an operator of a vegetable garden. Published in the media pictures of the alleged offender shows a blond, blue-eyed man
The man had two weapons legally possessed, reported the Norwegian news agency NTB and have a shooting club is affiliated. Having worked in an agricultural operation, he could easily get at large amounts of fertilizer, from which explosives can be produced.
The suspects belonged to Polizeierkentnissen after none of the known right-wing movements in Norway and had his police file only records for minor offenses. "He was not on our radar and if he had been active in a neo-Nazi group in Norway, we would have had him on the radar," said a policeman. Nevertheless, it could be that he had been inspired by the extreme right-wing ideology.
In the 90 years leading neo-Nazi groups in Scandinavia through a series of murders and robberies. But since then they were quiet. "They have a leadership deficit. We have this group fairly well under control," said the policeman.
Suspect lived in the west of Oslo
The suspects lived in an apartment in a four-storey residential house in the west of Oslo. Before the door on Saturday, a police car was parked and the police guarded the entrance.
Internet posts of the suspect suggested that he had political views that went right and are hostile to Islam, said police chief Sveinung Sponheim the NRK. Whether his motivation to have fed him for the offenses, however, the fact must still be viewed only.
A registered in the name of the suspect's Facebook page, was taken late on Friday evening from the net. A guided under his name, Twitter account has only one message in which he, on 17 July, the English philosopher John Stuart Mill quotes: A person with faith has as much power as 100,000 who are just interested.
"It's funny that he has not killed himself '
The police heard the first suspect on the island Utoya and later on a station in Oslo. "It's funny that he has not killed himself, like the guys who have done this school massacre," said the policeman. "It is good that he has not done it. So we can maybe get some answers about his motivation."
According to the investigators arrested the man for both the explosion in Oslo, is responsible for the massacre in the youth camp of the ruling Social Democratic Party. However, they did not rule out that other people were involved. The police said it was not impossible for one person to carry out the attacks alone. "He's obviously very cold. But so close to approach the government is simple. The roads are open in this area," said the policeman.
The 32-year-old after a shootout with at least 84 deaths and an explosion in Oslo, with seven dead, the police arrested suspects are puzzling. He should be a right-winger with anti-Islamic views, but have no connection to the extreme right. "He came out of nowhere," said a police officer with The Associated Press.
The Norwegian NRK television and other media identified the suspect as Anders Behring example, an operator of a vegetable garden. Published in the media pictures of the alleged offender shows a blond, blue-eyed man
The man had two weapons legally possessed, reported the Norwegian news agency NTB and have a shooting club is affiliated. Having worked in an agricultural operation, he could easily get at large amounts of fertilizer, from which explosives can be produced.
The suspects belonged to Polizeierkentnissen after none of the known right-wing movements in Norway and had his police file only records for minor offenses. "He was not on our radar and if he had been active in a neo-Nazi group in Norway, we would have had him on the radar," said a policeman. Nevertheless, it could be that he had been inspired by the extreme right-wing ideology.
In the 90 years leading neo-Nazi groups in Scandinavia through a series of murders and robberies. But since then they were quiet. "They have a leadership deficit. We have this group fairly well under control," said the policeman.
Suspect lived in the west of Oslo
The suspects lived in an apartment in a four-storey residential house in the west of Oslo. Before the door on Saturday, a police car was parked and the police guarded the entrance.
Internet posts of the suspect suggested that he had political views that went right and are hostile to Islam, said police chief Sveinung Sponheim the NRK. Whether his motivation to have fed him for the offenses, however, the fact must still be viewed only.
A registered in the name of the suspect's Facebook page, was taken late on Friday evening from the net. A guided under his name, Twitter account has only one message in which he, on 17 July, the English philosopher John Stuart Mill quotes: A person with faith has as much power as 100,000 who are just interested.
"It's funny that he has not killed himself '
The police heard the first suspect on the island Utoya and later on a station in Oslo. "It's funny that he has not killed himself, like the guys who have done this school massacre," said the policeman. "It is good that he has not done it. So we can maybe get some answers about his motivation."
According to the investigators arrested the man for both the explosion in Oslo, is responsible for the massacre in the youth camp of the ruling Social Democratic Party. However, they did not rule out that other people were involved. The police said it was not impossible for one person to carry out the attacks alone. "He's obviously very cold. But so close to approach the government is simple. The roads are open in this area," said the policeman.
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shehreyar
MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Christian Al-Qaeda, A New danger, West's self created Monster
shokar karein kay musalamn kay alawah bhi koi dahshat gard nikal ahay nahi tu bili bhi kisi ko panjah mar dayti tu sab ya daykhnay lagtay kay es bili ka taluq kahien talaban ya pakistan musalman say tu nahi hay :angry_smile:
shokar karein kay musalamn kay alawah bhi koi dahshat gard nikal ahay nahi tu bili bhi kisi ko panjah mar dayti tu sab ya daykhnay lagtay kay es bili ka taluq kahien talaban ya pakistan musalman say tu nahi hay :angry_smile:
M Ali Khan
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Christian Al-Qaeda, A New danger, West's self created Monster
The correct title would be 'Far-Right Fascist AlQaeda', rather than 'Christian' as most Norwegians are not that religious, but this killer said he is a 'Christian conservative'.
But that does not mean that idiots with Racist, Xenophobic, Islamophobic views cannot exist in these nations. Far-right parties have always been against immigration, and have often blamed immigrants for crime etc without any actual proof.
Europe is paranoid about Islamist-Jihadist threats, but it should actually be equally scared about Far-right fascists and bigots grabbing power and terrorising people!
The correct title would be 'Far-Right Fascist AlQaeda', rather than 'Christian' as most Norwegians are not that religious, but this killer said he is a 'Christian conservative'.
But that does not mean that idiots with Racist, Xenophobic, Islamophobic views cannot exist in these nations. Far-right parties have always been against immigration, and have often blamed immigrants for crime etc without any actual proof.
Europe is paranoid about Islamist-Jihadist threats, but it should actually be equally scared about Far-right fascists and bigots grabbing power and terrorising people!
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M Ali Khan
Minister (2k+ posts)
For those who ask: The Oslo/Utya suspect, Anders Behring Breivik, has been charged with 'acts of terrorism' by Norwegian police.
CIA ,Mossad gang caught again !!We zaid hamid followers got hold of this plots and uncovered evil nexus of india-israel-american tactics
Proudmuslim
MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Christian Al-Qaeda, A New danger, West's self created Monster
well-done boy :P your momma will proud of you :P
well-done boy :P your momma will proud of you :P
littlemaster
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Christian Al-Qaeda, A New danger, West's self created Monster
killing of innocent people............no one should be proud of but he was regret all his life.
think if some one kill you and the killer is praised how your parents will feel.
killing of innocent people............no one should be proud of but he was regret all his life.
think if some one kill you and the killer is praised how your parents will feel.
PAINDO
Siasat.pk - Blogger
ناروے میں دھماکہ، کیمپ پر فائرنگ، اکانوے ¬
[h=1]ناروے میں دھماکہ، کیمپ پر فائرنگ، اکانوے ہلاک[/h]
ناروے میں ایک ہی دن دہشت گردی کی دو مختلف وارداتوں میں ہلاک ہونے والوں کی تعداد اکانوے ہو گئی ہے۔ جمعہ کو ناروے کے دارالحکومت اوسلو میں پہلے ایک خوفناک دھماکہ ہوا جس میں سات افراد ہلاک ہوئے اس کے بعد ناروے کے ایک شمالی جزیرے میں ناروے کی لیبر پارٹی کے ایک یوتھ کیمپ پر فائرنگ میں چوراسی افراد ہلاک ہو گئے۔
عمارتیں لرز رہی تھیں
ناروے کی پولیس کا کہنا ہے کہ اوسلو کے شمال میں ایک جزیرے یٹویا میں حکمران جماعت لیبر پارٹی سے وابستہ نوجوانوں کے ایک تربیتی کیمپ میں فائرنگ کے واقعے میں ایک شخص کو گرفتار کر لیا گیا ہے۔
پولیس کے مطابق وہ ناروے کا ہی ایک بتیس سالہ سفید فام شہری ہے۔ حملہ آور کا نام آندرے بیرنگ بریوک ہے اور پولیس کے مطابق فوری طور پر یہ نہیں کہا جا سکتا کہ حملہ آور کا تعلق کس تنظیم سے ہے تاہم اس سے پوچھ گچھ جاری ہے۔
ناروے کے وزیراعظم جینز سٹولن برگ نے ان حملوں کو قومی سانحہ قرار دیا ہے۔
متبادل میڈیا پلیئر چلائیں
انہوں نے اوسلو میں سنیچر کو نیوز کانفرنس کے دوران خطاب کرتے ہوئے کہا کہ یہ حملے ناروے کے لیے ایک بھیانک خواب کی طرح ہیں۔ دوسری جنگِ عظیم کے بعد سے کبھی بھی ہمارے ملک میں جرم کا اتنا بڑا واقعہ نہیں ہوا۔
انہوں نے کہا کہ اوسلو میں ہونے والے دھماکے میں سات افراد ہلاک ہوئے جن میں سرکاری ملازمین بھی شامل ہیں۔
انہوں نے کہا کہ انہیں بھی یٹویا میں نوجوانوں کی جنت میں ہونا تھا جسے حملے کا نشانہ بنا کر جہنم میں تبدیل کردیا گیا۔
وزیراعظم نے کہا کہ ان حملوں کے مقصد کے بارے میں ابھی کوئی تبصرہ کرنا قبل از وقت ہے۔ اِن حملوں کی ذمہ داری اب تک کسی شخص یا گروپ نے تسلیم نہیں کی ہے۔
مقامی میڈیا کا کہنا ہے کہ مشتبہ شخص کے رابطے دائیں بازوں کے شدت پسندوں سے ہیں۔ حکام نے اس کا نام آندرے بیرنگ بریوک بتایا ہے۔ اوسلو میں واقع مشتبہ شخص کے مکان کی تلاشی لے لی گئی ہے۔
متاثرہ جزیرے کے قریب سے بی بی سی نامہ نگار رچرڈ گیلپن نے کہا ہے کہ ناروے اور نیو نازی گروپ کے درمیان ماضی میں مسائل موجود رہے ہیں تاہم عام تاثر یہ ہے کہ ایسے گروپ کا بڑے پیمانے پر خاتمہ کردیا گیا ہے اور اب ان سے کسی قسم کا بڑا خطرہ نہیں ہے۔
پہلے اس نے وہاں موجود لوگوں کو گولیوں کا نشانہ بنایا اور پھر جو لوگ پانی میں کودے تھے ان پر بھی گولیاں برسائیں۔
حکام کو اب تک یقین نہیں ہے کہ یہ کام ایک شخص کا ہو سکتا ہے۔
ناروے کے ٹیلی ویژن چینل ٹی وی ٹو سے وابستہ صحافی قذافی زمان نے گزشہ رات گئے بی بی سی اردو سروس سے بات کرتے ہوئے بتایا کہ جزیرے یٹویا کے گرد سمندر میں حکام لاپتہ نوجوانوں کی تلاش جاری رکھے ہوئے ہیں۔
یوتھ کیمپ میں شامل ایک رکن ایلیسے نے اے پی کو بتایا پہلے اس نے وہاں موجود لوگوں کو گولیوں کا نشانہ بنایا اور پھر جو لوگ پانی میں کودے تھے ان پر بھی گولیاں برسائیں۔
عینی شاہدین کا کہنا ہے کہ پولیس کے لباس میں ملبوس حملہ آور دراز قد تھا۔
مسلح شخص کے بارے میں کہا جاتا ہے کہ اس کے پاس ایک پستول، ایک خودکار رائفل اور ایک شاٹ گن تھی۔ ایک مقامی صحافی نے بتایا کہ وہ ایک فیری کے ذریعے پولیس کے لباس میں وہاں پہنچا تھا۔
[h=1]ناروے میں دھماکہ، کیمپ پر فائرنگ، اکانوے ہلاک[/h]
ناروے میں ایک ہی دن دہشت گردی کی دو مختلف وارداتوں میں ہلاک ہونے والوں کی تعداد اکانوے ہو گئی ہے۔ جمعہ کو ناروے کے دارالحکومت اوسلو میں پہلے ایک خوفناک دھماکہ ہوا جس میں سات افراد ہلاک ہوئے اس کے بعد ناروے کے ایک شمالی جزیرے میں ناروے کی لیبر پارٹی کے ایک یوتھ کیمپ پر فائرنگ میں چوراسی افراد ہلاک ہو گئے۔
عمارتیں لرز رہی تھیں
ناروے کی پولیس کا کہنا ہے کہ اوسلو کے شمال میں ایک جزیرے یٹویا میں حکمران جماعت لیبر پارٹی سے وابستہ نوجوانوں کے ایک تربیتی کیمپ میں فائرنگ کے واقعے میں ایک شخص کو گرفتار کر لیا گیا ہے۔
پولیس کے مطابق وہ ناروے کا ہی ایک بتیس سالہ سفید فام شہری ہے۔ حملہ آور کا نام آندرے بیرنگ بریوک ہے اور پولیس کے مطابق فوری طور پر یہ نہیں کہا جا سکتا کہ حملہ آور کا تعلق کس تنظیم سے ہے تاہم اس سے پوچھ گچھ جاری ہے۔
ناروے کے وزیراعظم جینز سٹولن برگ نے ان حملوں کو قومی سانحہ قرار دیا ہے۔
متبادل میڈیا پلیئر چلائیں
انہوں نے اوسلو میں سنیچر کو نیوز کانفرنس کے دوران خطاب کرتے ہوئے کہا کہ یہ حملے ناروے کے لیے ایک بھیانک خواب کی طرح ہیں۔ دوسری جنگِ عظیم کے بعد سے کبھی بھی ہمارے ملک میں جرم کا اتنا بڑا واقعہ نہیں ہوا۔
انہوں نے کہا کہ اوسلو میں ہونے والے دھماکے میں سات افراد ہلاک ہوئے جن میں سرکاری ملازمین بھی شامل ہیں۔
انہوں نے کہا کہ انہیں بھی یٹویا میں نوجوانوں کی جنت میں ہونا تھا جسے حملے کا نشانہ بنا کر جہنم میں تبدیل کردیا گیا۔
وزیراعظم نے کہا کہ ان حملوں کے مقصد کے بارے میں ابھی کوئی تبصرہ کرنا قبل از وقت ہے۔ اِن حملوں کی ذمہ داری اب تک کسی شخص یا گروپ نے تسلیم نہیں کی ہے۔
مقامی میڈیا کا کہنا ہے کہ مشتبہ شخص کے رابطے دائیں بازوں کے شدت پسندوں سے ہیں۔ حکام نے اس کا نام آندرے بیرنگ بریوک بتایا ہے۔ اوسلو میں واقع مشتبہ شخص کے مکان کی تلاشی لے لی گئی ہے۔
متاثرہ جزیرے کے قریب سے بی بی سی نامہ نگار رچرڈ گیلپن نے کہا ہے کہ ناروے اور نیو نازی گروپ کے درمیان ماضی میں مسائل موجود رہے ہیں تاہم عام تاثر یہ ہے کہ ایسے گروپ کا بڑے پیمانے پر خاتمہ کردیا گیا ہے اور اب ان سے کسی قسم کا بڑا خطرہ نہیں ہے۔
پہلے اس نے وہاں موجود لوگوں کو گولیوں کا نشانہ بنایا اور پھر جو لوگ پانی میں کودے تھے ان پر بھی گولیاں برسائیں۔
حکام کو اب تک یقین نہیں ہے کہ یہ کام ایک شخص کا ہو سکتا ہے۔
ناروے کے ٹیلی ویژن چینل ٹی وی ٹو سے وابستہ صحافی قذافی زمان نے گزشہ رات گئے بی بی سی اردو سروس سے بات کرتے ہوئے بتایا کہ جزیرے یٹویا کے گرد سمندر میں حکام لاپتہ نوجوانوں کی تلاش جاری رکھے ہوئے ہیں۔
یوتھ کیمپ میں شامل ایک رکن ایلیسے نے اے پی کو بتایا پہلے اس نے وہاں موجود لوگوں کو گولیوں کا نشانہ بنایا اور پھر جو لوگ پانی میں کودے تھے ان پر بھی گولیاں برسائیں۔
عینی شاہدین کا کہنا ہے کہ پولیس کے لباس میں ملبوس حملہ آور دراز قد تھا۔
مسلح شخص کے بارے میں کہا جاتا ہے کہ اس کے پاس ایک پستول، ایک خودکار رائفل اور ایک شاٹ گن تھی۔ ایک مقامی صحافی نے بتایا کہ وہ ایک فیری کے ذریعے پولیس کے لباس میں وہاں پہنچا تھا۔
M Ali Khan
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: ناروے میں دھماکہ، کیمپ پر فائرنگ، اکانوے &
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...omb-blast-near-Norway-prime-minister-s-office
already talked about here
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...omb-blast-near-Norway-prime-minister-s-office
already talked about here
moazzamniaz
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: ناروے میں دھماکہ، کیمپ پر فائرنگ، اکانوے &
So the perpetrator is a christian right wing majhool. L a n a t beshumaar on him and his filthy terrorist ideology.
So the perpetrator is a christian right wing majhool. L a n a t beshumaar on him and his filthy terrorist ideology.
younus
Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: ناروے میں دھماکہ، کیمپ پر فائرنگ، اکانوے &
agar is mein koi muslim involve hoota tu ab tak dunaya key tamam resources use kiye ja rehey hootey. aur aglay aik do maah tak yehi kuchh chal reha hoota... phir is ko norway ka 9/11 keh diya jaata. since there is no muslim involve in it... this news will die soon
agar is mein koi muslim involve hoota tu ab tak dunaya key tamam resources use kiye ja rehey hootey. aur aglay aik do maah tak yehi kuchh chal reha hoota... phir is ko norway ka 9/11 keh diya jaata. since there is no muslim involve in it... this news will die soon
GeoG
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Oh First you were Terex and Pakistani
now you are Bravo and living in Norway with Behrain Flag
Banyay Ho Na, Fitrat Main Jhoot Bhara Hua Hai...
