Are we a confused Nation?

Unicorn

Banned
That probably is the narrowest definition of secularism. It includes respect for all religion and avoid use of excessive force.
Do you think this kind of force would have been used in a Mandar, surely not.

There is not much difference in approach between Bhindranwala and Sri Lankan uprising,
You killed Bindranwala but mourned killing of a Hindu separatist in Sri Lanka,
Your Secularism applies to minorities but not Hindus, I am sure you will agree with that..

In a relationship between state and citizen thats all it is. Its up to people specially people of conscious to respect everyone's religion and views.

I hope they do the same thing if terrorist take control of Hindu Mandir and you can't assume that it will not be done.

For your information Bhindranwale had never advocated separation his conflict started when he wanted the state to ban a Sikh religious sect that he considered heretic, its similar to Ahmadi's in Pakistan.

You are wrong in saying that death of Mr. Prabhakran was mourned by Indian's except by a significant minority of Tamil Naido. He was a murderer who bombed and killed people indiscriminately.
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
In a relationship between state and citizen thats all it is. Its up to people specially people of conscious to respect everyone's religion and views.

I hope they do the same thing if terrorist take control of Hindu Mandir and you can't assume that it will not be done.

For your information Bhindranwale had never advocated separation his conflict started when he wanted the state to ban a Sikh religious sect that he considered heretic, its similar to Ahmadi's in Pakistan.

You are wrong in saying that death of Mr. Prabhakran was mourned by Indian's except by a significant minority of Tamil Naido. He was a murderer who bombed and killed people indiscriminately.

How conveniently you are dissolving the State from its duties. Of course citizens are expected to behave and respect all other religions but does not excuse the Govt from behaving with utmost restraint specially where a minority is at the receiving end. Why Emergency was declared when they could have just sat outside and waited for the extremists to come out rather than storming the temple. Can you imagine this Ayodya if Savek Sangh takes over. It was all that a Brahman Mrs Gandhi genes did not could not allow Neech Zat to dictate terms.

I am fully aware of the reason behind Bhindranwala's agitatation and how Zia supported them. All this boils to one K word, Resolve it and you will have no issues and until then don't call yourself a secular state.
 

Unicorn

Banned
It may be true at this stage, but let me tell you that it is just a matter of time, as soon as US moves its wounded aass from Afghanistan, I think ISI is going to serve India with 3 course spicy meal, first starter, then the meal and finally sweet to sooth India's burning taste buds.
:133::banana:

Yes indeed it will take some time to get back to the state of confusion where you originally started and odds are you will end up in the same state fifty years latter and will follow same course of action with expectation of different results.
 

hawkseye

Voter (50+ posts)
You are right there is no confusion about secularism state does not have anything to do with religion, I present our prime minister Manmohan Singh (Sikh) as an evidence.

Hindu Extremists only pose a threat to India, they are not blowing up anyone in Pakistan or anyone ells in the world.

The way the picture is right now it seems true but let me remind you what your country did in Bangladesh. After 1965 your country acted as a good neighbor by training thousand of "Mukti bahni" extremists and having your own soldiers disguised as Mukti bahni people and rest you know what happened.

Dear Every country makes policies that suit their needs your ones worked for you so right now you are a "Sikander" enjoy lime light but don't think that your country is clean.. no sir the hell no!!

You seem to be a fair person kindly read a book "Blood and Tears" and you might have few words for your country Govt. which I think predominently is and has been a Hindu majority Govt.
 

Unicorn

Banned
The way the picture is right now it seems true but let me remind you what your country did in Bangladesh. After 1965 your country acted as a good neighbor by training thousand of "Mukti bahni" extremists and having your own soldiers disguised as Mukti bahni people and rest you know what happened.

Dear Every country makes policies that suit their needs your ones worked for you so right now you are a "Sikander" enjoy lime light but don't think that your country is clean.. no sir the hell no!!

You seem to be a fair person kindly read a book "Blood and Tears" and you might have few words for your country Govt. which I think predominently is and has been a Hindu majority Govt.

We cannot be compared to great " Sikandar" in our history we have never invaded any country except Bangladesh in order to stop the massacre and also to break Pakistan it was an opportunity handed to India by Pakistan their hatred for Bengalis were so strong that after they won the election west Pakistan did not believe that Bengali were capable of running the country.

One day go to Bangladesh ask people your self Bengali Muslims and try to tell them that It was India who massacred Bengalis. I have spoken to them my self in India and UK.

Please don't tell me that India was responsible for:

The visit of Mr. Jinnah to Bangladesh who tried to impose Urdu on them. I personal like Urdu.

The riots over language issue in early 50s.

Their resentment over lack of progress in then East Pakistan for decades.
 
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indian125

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)

Just like India is not confused about their secularism
They are gone way past Hindu Extremism when RSS Savek Sanghs are in full control

at least we don't have people in India who can support governor's killer. the way certain people of your country did in salman tassir case.
 

indian125

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
It may be true at this stage, but let me tell you that it is just a matter of time, as soon as US moves its wounded aass from Afghanistan, I think ISI is going to serve India with 3 course spicy meal, first starter, then the meal and finally sweet to sooth India's burning taste buds.
:133::banana:

keep dreaming man. so far in 60 years you haven't done nothing except borrow the money from other country.
 

hawkseye

Voter (50+ posts)
keep dreaming man. so far in 60 years you haven't done nothing except borrow the money from other country.

ohoo another neighbour, I think you forgot how much your country owe in terms of debt. Your country's height is the result of standing on the shoulders of countries like USA, Russia and your favourite Israel. On the other hand we are pulled back with your kind help in all over Pakistan. I am not saying its wrong for you because it seems to be working for you guys.