Ahmed Shah Masood's brilliant response to Taliban

[iceburg]

Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban when they tried to justify why they destroyed Budha Statues:
narrated by brother of Ahmed Shah Masood:

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It was the spring of 2001. I was in Afghanistan's Panjshir Valley, together with my brother Ahmad Shah Massoud, the leader of the Afghan resistance against the Taliban, and Bism.illah Khan, who currently serves as Afghanistan's interior minister. One of our commanders, Commandant Momin, wanted us to see 30 Taliban fighters who had been taken hostage after a gun battle. My brother agreed to meet them. I remember that his first question concerned the centuries-old Buddha statues that were dynamited by the Taliban in March of that year, shortly before our encounter. Two Taliban combatants from Kandahar confidently responded that worshiping anything outside of Islam was unacceptable and that therefore these statues had to be destroyed. My brother looked at them and said, this time in Pashto, 'There are still many sun- worshippers in this country. Will you also try to get rid of the sun and drop darkness over the Earth?'

 

[cricket4life]

Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

in short Islam is peace,Talibanisim is violence

 

[tariisb]

Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

الفاظ تو بہت حکیمانہ ہیں ، مگر یہ حکمت صرف "مجسموں" تک ہی محدود تھی


احمد شاہ مسعود ، افغان وار لارڈز میں سے ایک ظالم اور متعصب جنگجو تھا


افغان جہاد نے ان جنگجوں کے اصلی چہرے چھپا دئیے تھے ، احمد شاہ مسعود کا بھی اصلی چہرہ پشتون دشمن ، "متعصب تاجک" اور نسل پرست کا تھا ​

 

[Mullah Omar]

Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

in short Islam is peace,Talibanisim is violence

Taliban were created to end violence in Afghanistan ;)

 

[miafridi]

Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

Great answer. Don't destory anyone's worship places. If you are so desperate about islam then preach them islam. Good behavior have lasting effects than fear.

Is it difficult for Allah to destroy worship places of hindus and Christians? No, he can do so in seconds but he wants them to convert willingly and not due to some fear.

 

[cricket4life]

Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

Taliban were created to end violence in Afghanistan ;)

....and they did the opposite.Munafiqs

 

[Mullah Omar]

Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

....and they did the opposite.Munafiqs

no, they did make progress in ending violence in Afghanistan. Also if I were you I would first look at myself before calling others munafiqs ;)

 

[iceburg]

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no, they did make progress in ending violence in Afghanistan. Also if I were you I would first look at myself before calling others munafiqs ;)

Following was the method to "end violence"...!!!

[h=3]Massacre campaigns[/h]

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According to a 55-page report by the United Nations, the Taliban, while trying to consolidate control over northern and western Afghanistan, committed systematic massacres against civilians.[SUP][29][/SUP][SUP][30][/SUP] UN officials stated that there had been "15 massacres" between 1996 and 2001.[SUP][29][/SUP][SUP][30][/SUP] They also said, that "[t]hese have been highly systematic and they all lead back to the [Taliban] Ministry of Defense or to Mullah Omar himself."[SUP][29][/SUP][SUP][30][/SUP] "These are the same type of war crimes as were committed in Bosnia and should be prosecuted in international courts", one UN official was quoted as saying.[SUP][29][/SUP] The documents also reveal the role of Arab and Pakistani support troops in these killings.[SUP][29][/SUP][SUP][30][/SUP] Bin Laden's so-called 055 Brigade was responsible for mass-killings of Afghan civilians.[SUP][24][/SUP] The report by the United Nationsquotes "eyewitnesses in many villages describing Arab fighters carrying long knives used for slitting throats and skinning people".[SUP][29][/SUP][SUP][30][/SUP] The Taliban's former ambassador to Pakistan, Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, in late 2011 stated that cruel behaviour under and by the Taliban had been "necessary".[SUP][152][/SUP]
In 1998, the United Nations accused the Taliban of denying emergency food by the UN's World Food Programme to 160,000 hungry and starving people "for political and military reasons".[SUP][153][/SUP] The UN said the Taliban were starving people for their military agenda and using humanitarian assistance as a weapon of war.
On August 8, 1998 the Taliban launched an attack on Mazar-i Sharif. Of 1500 defenders only 100 survived the engagement. Once in control the Taliban began to kill people indiscriminately. At first shooting people in the street, they soon began to target Hazaras. Women were raped, and thousands of people were locked in containers and left to suffocate. This ethnic cleansing left an estimated 5,000 to 6,000 dead.[SUP][74][/SUP][SUP][154][/SUP] At this time ten Iranian diplomats and a journalist were killed. Iran assumed the Taliban had murdered them, and mobilized its army, deploying men along the border with Afghanistan. By the middle of September there were 250,000 Iranian personal stationed on the border. Pakistan mediated and the bodies were returned to Tehran towards the end of the month. The killings of the Diplomats had been carried out by Sipah-e-Sahaba a Pakistani Sunni group with close ties to the ISI.[SUP][101][/SUP][SUP][155][/SUP] They burned orchards, crops and destroyed irrigation systems, and forced more than 100,000 people from their homes with hundreds of men, women and children still unaccounted for.[SUP][156][/SUP]
In a major effort to retake the Shomali plains from the United Front, the Taliban indiscriminately killed civilians, while uprooting and expelling the population. Among others, Kamal Hossein, a special reporter for the UN, reported on these and other war crimes. The city of Istalif i. e. was home to more than 45,000 people. In Istalif the Taliban gave 24 hours notice to the population to leave, then completely razed the town leaving the people destitute.[SUP][33][/SUP][SUP][157][/SUP]
In 1999 the town of Bamian was taken, hundreds of men, women and children were executed. Houses were razed and some were used for forced labor.[SUP][158][/SUP] There was a further massacre at the town of Yakaolang in January 2001. An estimated 300 people were murdered, along with two delegations of Hazara elders who had tried to intercede.[SUP][16][/SUP]
By 1999, the Taliban had forced hundreds of thousands of people from the Shomali Plains and other regions conducting a policy of scorched earth burning homes, farm land and gardens.[SUP][33][/SUP]

 

[Mullah Omar]

Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

Following was the method to "end violence"...!!!

Massacre campaigns

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According to a 55-page report by the United Nations, the Taliban, while trying to consolidate control over northern and western Afghanistan, committed systematic massacres against civilians.[SUP][29][/SUP][SUP][30][/SUP] UN officials stated that there had been "15 massacres" between 1996 and 2001.[SUP][29][/SUP][SUP][30][/SUP] They also said, that "[t]hese have been highly systematic and they all lead back to the [Taliban] Ministry of Defense or to Mullah Omar himself."[SUP][29][/SUP][SUP][30][/SUP] "These are the same type of war crimes as were committed in Bosnia and should be prosecuted in international courts", one UN official was quoted as saying.[SUP][29][/SUP] The documents also reveal the role of Arab and Pakistani support troops in these killings.[SUP][29][/SUP][SUP][30][/SUP] Bin Laden's so-called 055 Brigade was responsible for mass-killings of Afghan civilians.[SUP][24][/SUP] The report by the United Nationsquotes "eyewitnesses in many villages describing Arab fighters carrying long knives used for slitting throats and skinning people".[SUP][29][/SUP][SUP][30][/SUP] The Taliban's former ambassador to Pakistan, Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, in late 2011 stated that cruel behaviour under and by the Taliban had been "necessary".[SUP][152][/SUP]
In 1998, the United Nations accused the Taliban of denying emergency food by the UN's World Food Programme to 160,000 hungry and starving people "for political and military reasons".[SUP][153][/SUP] The UN said the Taliban were starving people for their military agenda and using humanitarian assistance as a weapon of war.
On August 8, 1998 the Taliban launched an attack on Mazar-i Sharif. Of 1500 defenders only 100 survived the engagement. Once in control the Taliban began to kill people indiscriminately. At first shooting people in the street, they soon began to target Hazaras. Women were raped, and thousands of people were locked in containers and left to suffocate. This ethnic cleansing left an estimated 5,000 to 6,000 dead.[SUP][74][/SUP][SUP][154][/SUP] At this time ten Iranian diplomats and a journalist were killed. Iran assumed the Taliban had murdered them, and mobilized its army, deploying men along the border with Afghanistan. By the middle of September there were 250,000 Iranian personal stationed on the border. Pakistan mediated and the bodies were returned to Tehran towards the end of the month. The killings of the Diplomats had been carried out by Sipah-e-Sahaba a Pakistani Sunni group with close ties to the ISI.[SUP][101][/SUP][SUP][155][/SUP] They burned orchards, crops and destroyed irrigation systems, and forced more than 100,000 people from their homes with hundreds of men, women and children still unaccounted for.[SUP][156][/SUP]
In a major effort to retake the Shomali plains from the United Front, the Taliban indiscriminately killed civilians, while uprooting and expelling the population. Among others, Kamal Hossein, a special reporter for the UN, reported on these and other war crimes. The city of Istalif i. e. was home to more than 45,000 people. In Istalif the Taliban gave 24 hours notice to the population to leave, then completely razed the town leaving the people destitute.[SUP][33][/SUP][SUP][157][/SUP]
In 1999 the town of Bamian was taken, hundreds of men, women and children were executed. Houses were razed and some were used for forced labor.[SUP][158][/SUP] There was a further massacre at the town of Yakaolang in January 2001. An estimated 300 people were murdered, along with two delegations of Hazara elders who had tried to intercede.[SUP][16][/SUP]
By 1999, the Taliban had forced hundreds of thousands of people from the Shomali Plains and other regions conducting a policy of scorched earth burning homes, farm land and gardens.[SUP][33][/SUP]

Sorry don't trust UN reports but I'm sure all sides commit atrocities during war.

 

[iceburg]

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Sorry don't trust UN reports but I'm sure all sides commit atrocities during war.

Yes all sides commit atrocities. True. So then don't tell us that you brought any peace.

 

[Mullah Omar]

Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

Yes all sides commit atrocities. True. So then don't tell us that you brought any peace.

it's a fact that Taliban brought peace to much of Afghanistan, there is no point denying this.

 

[iceburg]

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it's a fact that Taliban brought peace to much of Afghanistan, there is no point denying this.

After accepting atrocities you still insist you brought peace. I know you are well in your senses. And by the way ... there was no difference in Talban Peace and peace of a Qabrastan.

See an example of your war time atrocity:

 

[Mullah Omar]

Re: Ahmed Shah Masood's brillient response to Talban

After accepting atrocities you still insist you brought peace. I know you are well in your senses. And by the way ... there was no difference in Talban Peace and peace of a Qabrastan.

See an example of your war time atrocity:

Afghanistan was a mess during civil war, Taliban brought things under control in most parts which is why people supported Taliban, whether you dislike Talibans strict laws that is another issue but they did bring peace.

 

[iceburg]

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Afghanistan was a mess during civil war, Taliban brought things under control in most parts which is why people supported Taliban, whether you dislike Talibans strict laws that is another issue but they did bring peace.

Jis tarah ka 'peace' tha .. kya os se achi war nahi thi...???

 

[Mullah Omar]

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Jis tarah ka 'peace' tha .. kya os se achi war nahi thi...???

you should ask this question to Afghans. If Taliban were so bad how come they are still a potent force in Afghanistan?

 

[onlykami]

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If you are right then What do you say about our Prophet Muhammad pbuh ????????

QUOTE=miafridi;1163515]Great answer. Don't destory anyone's worship places. If you are so desperate about islam then preach them islam. Good behavior have lasting effects than fear.

Is it difficult for Allah to destroy worship places of hindus and Christians? No, he can do so in seconds but he wants them to convert willingly and not due to some fear.[/QUOTE]

 

[iceburg]

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you should ask this question to Afghans. If Taliban were so bad how come they are still a potent force in Afghanistan?

If to ask from Afghanis ... there u mean there should be democracy in Afghanistan. Although I also don't like democracy ... but at least it is better than talban type rule.

So I appreciate you for this.

Now come to 'potent' force.

To prove that talban is popular force, elections are needed.

If it is other type of force .. then at the most it is militia. How much powerful it is...???

It is not powerful than opponent military.

 

[Hippie]

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you should ask this question to Afghans. If Taliban were so bad how come they are still a potent force in Afghanistan?

The reason is very simple bro, they are barbarians with guns and general population is fearful of them.

 

[iceburg]

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you should ask this question to Afghans. If Taliban were so bad how come they are still a potent force in Afghanistan?

Also ... there is one way to know whether Afghanis were happy with the "peace" brought to them by Talban or not...

Consider following:

Human Rights Watch cites no human rights crimes for the forces under direct control of Massoud for the period from October 1996 until the assassination of Massoud in September 2001.[SUP][20][/SUP] 400,000 to one million Afghans fled from the Taliban to the area of Massoud.[SUP][81][/SUP][SUP][103][/SUP] National Geographic concluded in its documentary "Inside the Taliban":

So Afganis considered Massod area more peaceful that's why about 0.4 to 1.0 million afghanies migrated to area under the control of Massood.

 

[zhohaq]

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Also ... there is one way to know whether Afghanis were happy with the "peace" brought to them by Talban or not...

Consider following:

Human Rights Watch cites no human rights crimes for the forces under direct control of Massoud for the period from October 1996 until the assassination of Massoud in September 2001.[SUP][20][/SUP] 400,000 to one million Afghans fled from the Taliban to the area of Massoud.[SUP][81][/SUP][SUP][103][/SUP]National Geographic concluded in its documentary "Inside the Taliban":

So Afganis considered Massod area more peaceful that's why about 0.4 to 1.0 million afghanies migrated to area under the control of Massood.

Quoting Wikipedia for Tlaiban is like Quoting wikipedia on the Kashmir conflict.Try it
You will get a one sided view.
Massoud by any measure killed far more then the Taliban could even dream of.
If you find this fact surprising you dont know anything about Afghanistan.