Zaid Hamid Here and After - An Observer and Inside View

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Zaid Hamid Here and After - An Observer and Inside Vie

Malik495 said:
Shshshhhhhhh Bhai Pakistan1947.. kisi member ne yahan to Nabi(Sallallaho Alayeh wasallam) k saath saath Hazrat Moosa(A.S) Hazrat Ibrahim(A.S) ki bhi ziarat kr rakhi hay Khuwab men.. Unhain bura lagay ga aap ka yeh kahna...dekhna unn ka jawab kitni jaldi aata hay iss baray men...

Dear Malik495,

This is a very serious matter. It is very important to have correct islamic believes. Just think for a moment a person believes today that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) and other Anbia Karam (????? ???? ????? ?????) in his dream and the people around him have the same believe. And the same person has some other wrong believes such as Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) is still alive and another wrong belive that Peer, faqeer, Darvaish and wali has the knowledge of unseen. Nobody (even himself) will ever try to challnenge his wrong believes and soon people will make these wrong believes as part of Sariah (?????). People will not even dare to challenge that person's against Sariah (?????) acts and would say how can a person who has seen Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ???? ????) in dream can go against Sariah (?????) and soon non-Islamic acts and Shirkia acts becomes part of Shariah (?????). This is what happening in Pakistan.

The very serious implication of holding wrong beliefs is that many hopefuls, like Yousuf Kazab, have launched their religious careers (fan following) by making this claim. Almost all our Sufi saints have established their credibility, and their thrones, by doing this. They first claim to have seen the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ???? ????), then they say they are in direct contact with him, then they claim they have been divinely inspired, and then they build their economic empires which they leave to their successors.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Zaid Hamid Here and After - An Observer and Inside Vie

Malik495 said:
Murshad Jee said:
Malik495 said:
Shshshhhhhhh Bhai Pakistan1947.. kisi member ne yahan to Nabi(Sallallaho Alayeh wasallam) k saath saath Hazrat Moosa(A.S) Hazrat Ibrahim(A.S) ki bhi ziarat kr rakhi hay Khuwab men.. Unhain bura lagay ga aap ka yeh kahna...dekhna unn ka jawab kitni jaldi aata hay iss baray men...
???? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?? ???? ??? ??? ??

Murshad jee Yeh Mazak nahi hay aur na hi iss men koi baat aisi hay k jis se mazak ka koi pahlu niklay...yeh aik aisi waba phail gaee aaj kal k university zada gumrah logon men jo islam ki wo tashreeh krnay lag gaye hain k jis ka islam se koi taluk nahi.... hairat hay tum logon pr k tum ik aisay shakhs ki baat ko to haq sach jantay ho jo music upload men sab se aagay..thiraktay jismon aur ghughrowon ki chan chan pe ser dhunnay walay to aap logon k paas kabil-e-aitmaad hain lakin apni sari zindagi Quran aur hadith k saye men guzarnay walay aap ko fasadi aur mulla nazar aatay hain...laanat hay un logon pr jo laal masjid ki masoom bachion k khoon krnay ko jaez samjhtay hain.. laanat ho aisay logon pr jo Laal masjid pe golion ki bochaar ko Quran k shaheed auraq ko naala lai k naalon men phainknay walon ko haq samjhtay hon.. laanat hay un logon pr jo qadiyaniat ki tarveej krnay walon ko to liberal kahtay hain aur madarson k masoom bachon ko bunyad parast. gardantay hain.. laanat hay un logon pr yusuf kazzab ko shaheed kahtay hain aur laal masjid ki bachion ko gunahgar...

" hairat hay tum logon pr k tum ik aisay shakhs ki baat ko to haq sach jantay ho jo music upload men sab se aagay..thiraktay jismon aur ghughrowon ki chan chan pe ser dhunnay walay to aap logon k paas kabil-e-aitmaad hain lakin apni sari zindagi Quran aur hadith k saye men guzarnay walay aap ko fasadi aur mulla nazar aatay hain..."

yeh khaksaar gunahgar zaroor hai lekin tum jaisa na-pak aur fasadi maulvi nahee. Islam ka jhanda ura tey ho, zara apney ghar jaakarapni khawateen ko dekho kis haalat mein rehti ahin woh log. Sur per hijab nahee, seeney per du patta nahee, ghar mein baith kar dunya bhar ki gheebatein kartee hain, dusri aurton ko unkeyhsbands sey larwati hain, dusron ki beteon per buri baatein lagati hain. Go fix your damn family first then try to tableeghhere. besttableegh is that starts from home. tum aur tomharey jaisey badkar maulvion hi ney ummah ka nuqsan karway hai. Apney ghar mein sharm o haya nahee, dusron ko tableegh karny chaley hain, munafiq mardoo. Tum per Allah ki la'anat ho aur malakah ki aur dunya jahan walon ki, ameen

fa la'nataAllah-i-wal malai-kati-wannas-e-ajmaeen

Wah mian, barey shauq sey ghunghroon wali ko dekh rahey they, youtube ko band keo nahee kay? sawar raqs dekh leney kbaad ab shikayet karety ho? lagta hai key pyas puri nahee hui tumhari.

achha ub yeh dekh lo, shayed tumhari pias door ho jaye. Abhi usi din tum ney family k sath baith ker ashwarya roy or sharukh ki gandagi sey bharpoor finlm dekhi hi, bhool gaye kya?

Yeh lo ji: enjoy, sorry couldnt find one that ghungru but you should like this

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Malik495

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Zaid Hamid Here and After - An Observer and Inside Vie

Yeh sab aap shayad apnay ghar ki halat bata rahay thay mashallah subhanallah. hamain pahlay se maloom hay batanay ki zurorat nahi....aur main khud ko molvi nahi kahta na hi iss baat ka daaway daar hon k main muttaqi hon... molvi aur fasadi ka laqab aap ulama-e-kiram ko detay hain siwae dr Israr k aap k nazdeek sab ulama-e-kiram naozbillah fasadi hen.. sirf aap islah krnay walay hain ya ZH.... aur sab jantay hain k aap kis ko Mullah aur kis ko fasadi kahtay hai ...i am not an aalim-e-deen balkay un k paon ki khaak bhi nahi aur na hi aisa daawa krta hon k islam ki sari knowledge mujhe hi hay...........aap ki iss lughwiyat se bhari guftugu se aap ki zahniyat ka maloom to pahlay hi se tha aaj confirm ho gaya.... so aap k moonh lagna ab meri toheen hay...
i dont want to comment on your bakwas anymore....
1 ?? ??? ??? ??? ?? ??????
2? ??? ?????? ???????? ???? ?????
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Zaid Hamid Here and After - An Observer and Inside Vie

Malik495 said:
Yeh sab aap shayad apnay ghar ki halat bata rahay thay mashallah subhanallah. hamain pahlay se maloom hay batanay ki zurorat nahi....aur main khud ko molvi nahi kahta na hi iss baat ka daaway daar hon k main muttaqi hon... molvi aur fasadi ka laqab aap ulama-e-kiram ko detay hain siwae dr Israr k aap k nazdeek sab ulama-e-kiram naozbillah fasadi hen.. sirf aap islah krnay walay hain ya ZH.... aur sab jantay hain k aap kis ko Mullah aur kis ko fasadi kahtay hai ...i am not an aalim-e-deen balkay un k paon ki khaak bhi nahi aur na hi aisa daawa krta hon k islam ki sari knowledge mujhe hi hay...........aap ki iss lughwiyat se bhari guftugu se aap ki zahniyat ka maloom to pahlay hi se tha aaj confirm ho gaya.... so aap k moonh lagna ab meri toheen hay...
i dont want to comment on your bakwas anymore....
1 ?? ??? ??? ??? ?? ??????
2? ??? ?????? ???????? ???? ?????


I dont want to comment on your idiocy any more either. By the way brother, did you like the song I gave you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-WDWgdb ... e=related#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 

Tabrez

Citizen
Re: Zaid Hamid Here and After - An Observer and Inside Vie

Recently I was listening to a speaker who was talking about a war between Pakistan and India, and was quoting some hadeeth to support that the Prophet made predictions about the Muslim conquest of India. The speaker was promoting a dangerous philosophy advocating a deadly war between two nuclear armed nations.

As is always the case with me, I decided to review this alleged hadeeth in the light of Gods Book al-Quran. I wanted to know if the Quran supports this claim and if there is any indication in the Quran that the Prophet made predictions about future events events of the ghaib or unknown and if it were part of the mission that was assigned to him by God. The following verses from the Quran give a completely different picture than what the speaker was implying in his speech:

Say [O Prophet]: It is not within my power to bring benefit to, or avert harm from, myself, except as God may please. And if I knew that which is beyond the reach of human perception, abundant good fortune-would surely have fallen to my lot, and no evil would ever have touched me. I am nothing but a warner, and a herald of glad tidings unto people who will believe. (Quran 7:188)

I was struck by this extremely plain and logical verse from the Quran. The prophet is made to say that if he did have knowledge of the future ghaib then no calamities would have befallen him and he would have all the treasures of the world. The history tells us that the Prophet faced severe hardships in his life, which he could have avoided had he known what is in the future.

The above verse is not the only verse where the Prophet is made to declare that he has no knowledge of the ghaib. There are several other verses emphasizing this point. Here are a few examples:

Say [O Prophet]: I do not say unto you, God's treasures are with me,; nor [do I say], I know the things that are beyond the reach of human perception; nor do I say unto you, Behold, I am an angel: I but follow what is revealed to me. Say: Can the blind and the seeing be deemed equal? Will you not, then, take thought? (Quran 6:50)

This declaration of the Prophet was not new. Prophets before him also made such declarations as well.

Prophet Noah said:

And I do not say unto you, God's treasures are with me; nor [do I say], I know the reality which is beyond the reach of human perception; nor do I say, Behold, I am an angel; nor do I say of those whom your eyes hold in contempt, Never will God grant them any good- for God is fully aware of what is in their hearts. Were I to speak thus, verily, I would indeed be among the evildoers. (Quran 11:31)
What is revealed to the Prophet of the ghaib is identified clearly in the Quran as the stories of the past prophets:

These accounts of something that was beyond the reach of thy perception We [now] reveal unto thee, [O Muhammad: for] neither thou nor thy people knew them [fully] ere this. Be, then, [like Noah,] patient in adversity - for, behold, the future belongs to the God-conscious! (Quran 11:49)

This account of something that was beyond the reach of thy perception We [now] reveal unto thee, [O Prophet:] for thou wert not with Joseph's brothers when they resolved upon what they were going to do and wove their schemes [against him]. (Quran 12:102)

It is sad that people invent stories that have no basis in the Quran and that defy the Quran. Since the Quran is the Furqan the criterion to distinguish between what is correct and what is false, we should always seek its help in determining if a certain idea or report or story - especially as it pertains to the Prophet - is correct or false.

Or have they a ladder by which they could [ascend to ultimate truths and] listen [to what is beyond the reach of human perception]? Let, then, any of them who have listened [to it] produce a manifest proof [of his knowledge]! (Quran 52:38)
There are traditions that describe the details of the last Day and the signs that herald the coming of the last Day. However, Only God knows the coming of the hour and It will come suddenly:

They will ask thee [O Prophet] about the Last hour: When will it come to pass? Say: Verily, knowledge thereof rests with my Sustainer alone. None but He will reveal it in its time. Heavily will it weigh on the heavens and the earth; [and] it will not fall upon you otherwise than of a sudden. They will ask thee - as if thou couldst gain insight into this [mystery] by dint of persistent inquiry! Say: knowledge thereof rests with my Sustainer alone; but [of this] most people are unaware. (Quran 7:187)

Verily, with God alone rests the knowledge of when the Last hour will come: and He [it is who] sends down rain; and He [alone] knows what is in the wombs: whereas no one knows what he will reap tomorrow, and no one knows in what land he will die, Verily. God [alone] is all-knowing, all-aware. (Quran 31:34)

People will ask thee about the Last hour. Say: knowledge thereof rests with God alone; yet for all thou knowest, the Last hour may well be near! (Quran 33:63)

In none of the above verses the Prophet is made to say that yes such and such events will indicate that the Last Hour is near. It is strange that the Book of God makes no such claims on behalf of the Prophet, and yet, the traditions are full of stories of details will happen near the time of Qiamat and these traditions show contrary to the reports in the Quran that the Prophet had knowledge of all these future events.

The fact is that it was not the mission of the Prophet to forecast or predict the future, and nowhere is he shown in the Quran to ever make any such claims about the ghaib. As opposed to that he is clearly made to identify his mission in the Quran in no uncertain terms so that the people after him do not invent false stories about his mission.

The Mission of the Prophet:
"You are NOTHING but a Warner <in inta illa nazeerun>. Surely We have sent you with the truth as a bearer of GOOD NEWS and a WARNER <basheerun wa nazeerun>, and there is not a people but a Warner has gone among them."(Quran 35:23-24)

"Do they not reflect that their companion has not unsoundness in mind; he is ONLY A PLAIN WARNER <Illa Nazeerum Mubeenun>." (Quran 7:184)

"Then, it may be that you will give up part of what is revealed to you and your breast will become straitened by it because they say: Why has not a treasure been sent down upon him or an angel come with him? You are ONLY A WARNER< <innama anta nazeerun>; and it is Allah that arranges all affairs." (Quran 11:12)

And We have not sent you BUT as a giver of good news and as a warner <wama arsalnaka illa mubashirun wa nazeerun>." (Quran 25:56)

"Say: I exhort you only to ONE thing, that rise up for Allah's sake in twos and singly, then reflect: there is no madness in your companion; he is NOTHING BUT A WARNER to you <hua illa nazeerun> before a severe chastisement." (Quran 34:46)

"Say: I am ONLY a warner <innama ana munzirun>, and there is no god but Allah, the One, the Subduer (of all)." (Quran 38:65)

"ONLY this has been revealed to me: that I am to give warning plainly <in yuHaiya illaiya illa annama ana nazeerum mubeenun>."(Quran 38:70)

"Say: O people! I am ONLY A PLAIN WARNER to you <ana lakum nazeerum mubeenun>." (Quran 22:49)

I am commanded ONLY that I should serve the Lord of this city, Who has made it sacred, and His are all things; and I am commanded that I should be of these who submit; and that I should RECITE THE QUR'AN. Therefore whoever goes aright, he goes aright for his own soul, and whoever goes astray, then say: I am ONLY ONE OF THE WARNERS <inama ana minul munzareena>. (Quran 27:91-92)

"And they say: Why are not signs sent down upon him from his Lord? Say: The signs are only with Allah, and I am only a plain warner <innama ana nazeerum mubeenun>." (Quran 29:50)

"They say: When will this promise come true if you speak the truth? Say: The knowledge is with Allah only, and I am ONLY a plain warner <innama ana nazeerum mubeenun>."(Quran 67:26)

In no uncertain terms the Prophet has been made to emphasize his mission on this earth: He is only here to warn that consequences of bad actions will be bad, and to give good news that the consequences of good actions will be good. He is not here to establish Gods government or kingdom on earth (Gods government has always been on earth and will always be there whether there are Muslims in the world or not); and he is not here to make predictions of future wars.

The fact is that certain individuals are using falsehood to perpetrate war and bloodshed on earth. They promote these false ideas in the guise of Islam (Peace).These are the individuals against whom the Quran warns:

When it is said to them: Make not mischief on the earth, they say: Why, we only want to make peace! Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not. (Quran 2:11-12)

We should be aware of such people and always use the Quran the Furqan to distinguish what is right from what is wrong.
 

wsher

Citizen
Re: Zaid Hamid Here and After - An Observer and Inside Vie

Tabrez said:
Recently I was listening to a speaker who was talking about a war between Pakistan and India, and was quoting some hadeeth to support that the Prophet made predictions about the Muslim conquest of India. The speaker was promoting a dangerous philosophy advocating a deadly war between two nuclear armed nations.

As is always the case with me, I decided to review this alleged hadeeth in the light of Gods Book al-Quran. I wanted to know if the Quran supports this claim and if there is any indication in the Quran that the Prophet made predictions about future events events of the ghaib or unknown and if it were part of the mission that was assigned to him by God. The following verses from the Quran give a completely different picture than what the speaker was implying in his speech:

Say [O Prophet]: It is not within my power to bring benefit to, or avert harm from, myself, except as God may please. And if I knew that which is beyond the reach of human perception, abundant good fortune-would surely have fallen to my lot, and no evil would ever have touched me. I am nothing but a warner, and a herald of glad tidings unto people who will believe. (Quran 7:188)

I was struck by this extremely plain and logical verse from the Quran. The prophet is made to say that if he did have knowledge of the future ghaib then no calamities would have befallen him and he would have all the treasures of the world. The history tells us that the Prophet faced severe hardships in his life, which he could have avoided had he known what is in the future.

The above verse is not the only verse where the Prophet is made to declare that he has no knowledge of the ghaib. There are several other verses emphasizing this point. Here are a few examples:

Say [O Prophet]: I do not say unto you, God's treasures are with me,; nor [do I say], I know the things that are beyond the reach of human perception; nor do I say unto you, Behold, I am an angel: I but follow what is revealed to me. Say: Can the blind and the seeing be deemed equal? Will you not, then, take thought? (Quran 6:50)

This declaration of the Prophet was not new. Prophets before him also made such declarations as well.

Prophet Noah said:

And I do not say unto you, God's treasures are with me; nor [do I say], I know the reality which is beyond the reach of human perception; nor do I say, Behold, I am an angel; nor do I say of those whom your eyes hold in contempt, Never will God grant them any good- for God is fully aware of what is in their hearts. Were I to speak thus, verily, I would indeed be among the evildoers. (Quran 11:31)
What is revealed to the Prophet of the ghaib is identified clearly in the Quran as the stories of the past prophets:

These accounts of something that was beyond the reach of thy perception We [now] reveal unto thee, [O Muhammad: for] neither thou nor thy people knew them [fully] ere this. Be, then, [like Noah,] patient in adversity - for, behold, the future belongs to the God-conscious! (Quran 11:49)

This account of something that was beyond the reach of thy perception We [now] reveal unto thee, [O Prophet:] for thou wert not with Joseph's brothers when they resolved upon what they were going to do and wove their schemes [against him]. (Quran 12:102)

It is sad that people invent stories that have no basis in the Quran and that defy the Quran. Since the Quran is the Furqan the criterion to distinguish between what is correct and what is false, we should always seek its help in determining if a certain idea or report or story - especially as it pertains to the Prophet - is correct or false.

Or have they a ladder by which they could [ascend to ultimate truths and] listen [to what is beyond the reach of human perception]? Let, then, any of them who have listened [to it] produce a manifest proof [of his knowledge]! (Quran 52:38)
There are traditions that describe the details of the last Day and the signs that herald the coming of the last Day. However, Only God knows the coming of the hour and It will come suddenly:

They will ask thee [O Prophet] about the Last hour: When will it come to pass? Say: Verily, knowledge thereof rests with my Sustainer alone. None but He will reveal it in its time. Heavily will it weigh on the heavens and the earth; [and] it will not fall upon you otherwise than of a sudden. They will ask thee - as if thou couldst gain insight into this [mystery] by dint of persistent inquiry! Say: knowledge thereof rests with my Sustainer alone; but [of this] most people are unaware. (Quran 7:187)

Verily, with God alone rests the knowledge of when the Last hour will come: and He [it is who] sends down rain; and He [alone] knows what is in the wombs: whereas no one knows what he will reap tomorrow, and no one knows in what land he will die, Verily. God [alone] is all-knowing, all-aware. (Quran 31:34)

People will ask thee about the Last hour. Say: knowledge thereof rests with God alone; yet for all thou knowest, the Last hour may well be near! (Quran 33:63)

In none of the above verses the Prophet is made to say that yes such and such events will indicate that the Last Hour is near. It is strange that the Book of God makes no such claims on behalf of the Prophet, and yet, the traditions are full of stories of details will happen near the time of Qiamat and these traditions show contrary to the reports in the Quran that the Prophet had knowledge of all these future events.

The fact is that it was not the mission of the Prophet to forecast or predict the future, and nowhere is he shown in the Quran to ever make any such claims about the ghaib. As opposed to that he is clearly made to identify his mission in the Quran in no uncertain terms so that the people after him do not invent false stories about his mission.

The Mission of the Prophet:
"You are NOTHING but a Warner <in inta illa nazeerun>. Surely We have sent you with the truth as a bearer of GOOD NEWS and a WARNER <basheerun wa nazeerun>, and there is not a people but a Warner has gone among them."(Quran 35:23-24)

"Do they not reflect that their companion has not unsoundness in mind; he is ONLY A PLAIN WARNER <Illa Nazeerum Mubeenun>." (Quran 7:184)

"Then, it may be that you will give up part of what is revealed to you and your breast will become straitened by it because they say: Why has not a treasure been sent down upon him or an angel come with him? You are ONLY A WARNER< <innama anta nazeerun>; and it is Allah that arranges all affairs." (Quran 11:12)

And We have not sent you BUT as a giver of good news and as a warner <wama arsalnaka illa mubashirun wa nazeerun>." (Quran 25:56)

"Say: I exhort you only to ONE thing, that rise up for Allah's sake in twos and singly, then reflect: there is no madness in your companion; he is NOTHING BUT A WARNER to you <hua illa nazeerun> before a severe chastisement." (Quran 34:46)

"Say: I am ONLY a warner <innama ana munzirun>, and there is no god but Allah, the One, the Subduer (of all)." (Quran 38:65)

"ONLY this has been revealed to me: that I am to give warning plainly <in yuHaiya illaiya illa annama ana nazeerum mubeenun>."(Quran 38:70)

"Say: O people! I am ONLY A PLAIN WARNER to you <ana lakum nazeerum mubeenun>." (Quran 22:49)

I am commanded ONLY that I should serve the Lord of this city, Who has made it sacred, and His are all things; and I am commanded that I should be of these who submit; and that I should RECITE THE QUR'AN. Therefore whoever goes aright, he goes aright for his own soul, and whoever goes astray, then say: I am ONLY ONE OF THE WARNERS <inama ana minul munzareena>. (Quran 27:91-92)

"And they say: Why are not signs sent down upon him from his Lord? Say: The signs are only with Allah, and I am only a plain warner <innama ana nazeerum mubeenun>." (Quran 29:50)

"They say: When will this promise come true if you speak the truth? Say: The knowledge is with Allah only, and I am ONLY a plain warner <innama ana nazeerum mubeenun>."(Quran 67:26)

In no uncertain terms the Prophet has been made to emphasize his mission on this earth: He is only here to warn that consequences of bad actions will be bad, and to give good news that the consequences of good actions will be good. He is not here to establish Gods government or kingdom on earth (Gods government has always been on earth and will always be there whether there are Muslims in the world or not); and he is not here to make predictions of future wars.

The fact is that certain individuals are using falsehood to perpetrate war and bloodshed on earth. They promote these false ideas in the guise of Islam (Peace).These are the individuals against whom the Quran warns:

When it is said to them: Make not mischief on the earth, they say: Why, we only want to make peace! Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not. (Quran 2:11-12)

We should be aware of such people and always use the Quran the Furqan to distinguish what is right from what is wrong.


Either people are silly to such an extent or on the other hand their aim is to spread disinformation. There were many predictions Rasool (SAW) made regarding future of Muslim Ummah and Ghazwa e Hind was one of them. Stop this propaganda and better to use your energies over welfare of Pakistan. Why are we against every element who talk a little in the favor of Pakistan. How bad we treat Imran Khan in elections who well are we treating Zaid Hamid.

The nation is going towards decline because we do not recognise Heros among us and serving the wrong people who are good for nothing.

Why we always talk about controversies why cant we talk about doing something?

Why are we so ignorant to discuss and order fatwas about somebody's beliefs while he might be a much better Muslim for Allah, who knows except Allah???????

Lets stop this discussion and lets not confuse and make fun of such sensitive issues of religion.

DO NOT INTERFERE INTO ALLAH'S MATTERS OF FAITH JUDGEMENT.

Appreciate what you listen is good, appreciate if something is done good, and trust on what YOU hear!

May Allah shower His Mersey upon us!
 

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