World war 3 has started

blatant

Senator (1k+ posts)
So first of all I think we need to clarify who's speaking of what. You are referring to some conspiracy theory probably you overheard some where. While I am referring to something I have studied for at least a few years. Now if you are trying to tag me along with this group that you have designated for CONSPIRACY THEORISTS, that's your choice. I don't see it that way.

When I read excerpts from islamic eschatology, something that has come from almost 1500 yrs ago, and when that fits in perfect alignment with whats happening around nowadays and what I read about some of these secret societies (the two sources have not been CONSPIRED by a common group), I find it very hard to make any other sense out of it. Now, while you propose such harsh criticism for these conspiracies having gone through them. Do you actually defy these facts from eschatology as well ? if so , will you be kind enough to provide me with some evidence you came across against the point? I will be more then happy to shrug this whole affair off as well.

Also, as far as the mean world syndrome is concerned, Can I suggest I make an absolute distinction between phenomena such as y2k, 21/12/12 compared to these eschatological hints.

Also, would you consider then the message of Qiyamah, the end times as the mega conspiracy theory as well !!! that being the meanest of them all !! or somehow you think that's one theory where you will draw the line, maybe not in line with your conventions otherwise.

My point is, your imagination is not a vestigial function. In fact imagination had a huge role to play in where the world is today, good or bad. Its how you use it. Losing the sense altogether is actually a shortcoming you have, would have no excuse for facts otherwise. You claim to be a skeptic, yet the most glaringly inconsistent stories you tend to take on board, just because it's coming from something as credible as BBC, CNN, Fox news etc. I know I am stereo typing you here, as I don't know much of you apart from what you write here about yourself.

As far as psychology of things go, I am a practicing GP psychiatrist. So as you would imagine, I actually take a keen interest in how humans respond to situations. And I also take interest in mega denials, the defense mechanisms, both mature and immature. I have been studying history of human civilization. Monotheistic eschatologies have fancied me for some time, and no I am not basing my information on THE ARRIVALS only. In few years that I have been pursuing this subject, I have come across much more then that. If I had more time and opportunity, I could actually prove it to you with totally unrelated scientific facts and evidences as to how the monotheistic eschatology is likely to achieve fulfillment in not so distant future. And funny enough, I am still not seeing things, I am not hearing voices inside my head, and I am not paranoid :)

So, when you say you are a skeptic, you should be looking at information with skepticism, not disregard someone else's research without your own research.

As to why every depiction has to be bleak and not hopeful. Dude, look at the world around today. What good do you see around? few billion people are in absolute plight, and you are looking for a HOPEFUL situation from the perpetrators of this exact plight. Unlikely to happen isn't it?


I have never been an imaginative guy. Unless it has to do with beautiful women... but that's another topic. I am a skeptic. I question the wisdom of always trying to know the Cabal. Conspiracy theories are the abode of the hopeless. It's what gives people who have no hope otherwise some semblance of hope. Clinical psychologists say such people are usually suffering from "mean world syndrome".

What's even more interesting is that the conspiracy ALWAYS is considered Hostile in nature. Why can't there be a good conspiracy? Belief in such a cabal is a device for reassuring oneself that certain occurrences are not random, but ordered by a human intelligence. This renders such occurrences comprehensible and potentially controllable. If a cabal can be implicated in a sequence of events, there is always the hope, however tenuous, of being able to break the cabal's power – or joining it and exercising some of that power oneself. Finally, belief in the power of such a cabal is an implicit assertion of human dignity – an often unconscious but necessary affirmation that man is not totally helpless, but is responsible, at least in some measure, for his own destiny.

And for anyone who doesn't know what a Cabal is, its a group of people or states designing or promoting something.
 

ammadk

Minister (2k+ posts)
its 100% right america would do anything to protect its currency....if other start to deal in other currencies or even barter system..$ will go down boom..to put this simply the value of money depends on interest and the flow of money,if $ would not flow in the world,americans would not control the interest rates etc then IMF, World bank, american weapon industries(boeing,lockhead martin,berreta) and all the other companies only of their kind in the world would not be able to stay alive when no one would deal with them in their local currency that they have in access.....the reason of euro to go down is correct as shown in the video that oil produces were made to stop making deals in euro....(serious)(serious)
 
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lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Let's leave the discussion on the validity of conspiracy theories for a little while. Since you are a GP Psychiatrist, I am more keen to know you thoughts on the clinical analysis from a psychology standpoint on people who are very attracted to conspiracy theories.

Don't you think the clinical diagnosis is accurate on conspiracy theorists? It seems to fit on Pakistanis very well. And if you care to dwell deeper into this, you will have to look at Pakistani culture and society as whole. Now the next couple of sentences I am about to say have nothing to do with the discussion of how Pakistan is and the merits of it. Look at us. We have no Law and order, we do not have a system for anything. Pakistan is a free for all. The Pakistani man is hopeless. Some look at religion for hope. Dreams of a Khilafat. A revival of past glories (Which btw is also a symptom of depression). I always questioned this incessant need of our people to keep clinging onto such fantasies of hope.

So I decided to do research on this phenomenon. That's where I am coming from. I take a keen interest in not the conspiracy theory, but the person who believes in it. ;)


When I read excerpts from islamic eschatology, something that has come from almost 1500 yrs ago, and when that fits in perfect alignment with whats happening around nowadays and what I read about some of these secret societies (the two sources have not been CONSPIRED by a common group), I find it very hard to make any other sense out of it. Now, while you propose such harsh criticism for these conspiracies having gone through them. Do you actually defy these facts from eschatology as well ? if so , will you be kind enough to provide me with some evidence you came across against the point? I will be more then happy to shrug this whole affair off as well.

Also, as far as the mean world syndrome is concerned, Can I suggest I make an absolute distinction between phenomena such as y2k, 21/12/12 compared to these eschatological hints.

Also, would you consider then the message of Qiyamah, the end times as the mega conspiracy theory as well !!! that being the meanest of them all !! or somehow you think that's one theory where you will draw the line, maybe not in line with your conventions otherwise.

My point is, your imagination is not a vestigial function. In fact imagination had a huge role to play in where the world is today, good or bad. Its how you use it. Losing the sense altogether is actually a shortcoming you have, would have no excuse for facts otherwise. You claim to be a skeptic, yet the most glaringly inconsistent stories you tend to take on board, just because it's coming from something as credible as BBC, CNN, Fox news etc. I know I am stereo typing you here, as I don't know much of you apart from what you write here about yourself.

As far as psychology of things go, I am a practicing GP psychiatrist. So as you would imagine, I actually take a keen interest in how humans respond to situations. And I also take interest in mega denials, the defense mechanisms, both mature and immature. I have been studying history of human civilization. Monotheistic eschatologies have fancied me for some time, and no I am not basing my information on THE ARRIVALS only. In few years that I have been pursuing this subject, I have come across much more then that. If I had more time and opportunity, I could actually prove it to you with totally unrelated scientific facts and evidences as to how the monotheistic eschatology is likely to achieve fulfillment in not so distant future. And funny enough, I am still not seeing things, I am not hearing voices inside my head, and I am not paranoid :)

So, when you say you are a skeptic, you should be looking at information with skepticism, not disregard someone else's research without your own research.

As to why every depiction has to be bleak and not hopeful. Dude, look at the world around today. What good do you see around? few billion people are in absolute plight, and you are looking for a HOPEFUL situation from the perpetrators of this exact plight. Unlikely to happen isn't it?
 

Amer

Councller (250+ posts)
Tum ne kiya ukhar liya 'Ankhein apni khol' kar ? :lol:

I am sick of seeing Pakistani after Pakistani who is afflicted by this disease of conspiracy theories. We need Pakistanis who have a strong sense of objectiveness, not subjective conspiracies after conspiracies. Yeh kaam farigh logon ke kaam hotay hain. Galiyon mein, gatherings mein yehi discuss kerte rehte hain. Talk shows kholo, wahan bhi conspiracies ho rahi hoti hain discuss. Best past time in Pakistan. But NOTHING ever comes out of it. Just keep repeating the cycle, wash, rinse and repeat. It's like dimak lag chuki hai sab ke dimagh mein.

sir I salute your height of stupidity again. (clap)

Instead of a sane answer (something about the posted video), you branded me as a subjective conspiracy theorist. Wah
I am sick of seeing people like you who cannot think.

Please learn something about Federal Reserve Bank (or ask some forex trader) and then listen to above video again.
 

Aam_Admi

MPA (400+ posts)
سازشی نظریات ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔یقنا سازشی نظریات اس وقت تک سازشی نظریات ہی ہوتے ہیں جب تک اچانک ہی کوئی واقعہ یا شخص ان کو سچ ثابت نہیں کر دیتا۔ ہم جس دنیا میں جی رہے ہیں وہاں بنیادی طور پر ہمہ وقت سازشیں ہی برپا ہیں۔۔۔پڑوسی ملک سے لے کر اسرائیل و امریکا وغیرہ وغیرہ تک جن کے موسس و حمایتی ہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔ممبئی اٹیک پاکستان نے کرائے یہ بہت ساروں کے نزدیک حقیقت تھی اور جو کوئی یہ کہتا کہ اس کے پیچھے انڈیا کا ہاتھ ہے وہ گویا سازشی نظریات پر پلنے والا ایک احمق بنیاد پرست تھا۔۔۔۔ لیکن اب دال میں کچھ کالا سب کو دکھائی دے رہا ہے۔۔۔۔۔یہی بات انڈیا میں ہونے والے کئی واقعات سے لے کر امریکا کے پرزم منصوبے تک
لاگو ہوتی ہے۔
ابو الکلام کے بقول کہ لوگ کیچڑ پانی دیکھ کر بارش کا یقین کرتے ہیں اور میں
بہت پہلے بارش کے آثار کا اندازہ لگا لیتا ہوں۔
گو یہ ضروری نہیں کہ آپ ہر وقت ہر چیز کو شبے کی نظر سے دیکھیں کہ مگر شتر مرغ کی طرح سے ریت میں سر دے کر بیٹھ جانا بھی کسی مسئلے کا حل نہیں۔
اگرچہ ہر چیر سازش نہیں ہے مگر دنیا اتنی سادی بھی نہیں ہے اور بالخصوص اس قوم کے لیے تو نہیں جو فلسطین، کشمیر ،افغانساتان، عراق جیسے کھلے زخم اور مصر ، شام، جیسے کتنے زخم پنہاں اپنے اندر رکھتی ہو۔
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
For psychological reasons and to avoid mass panic no country would ever use the term "world war 3". Truth is that almost every country is involved in some form of conflict with a neighbour or adversary. We are probably closer to the end then beginning of WW3, the climax will be the bloodiest ever known to humanity.
 

blatant

Senator (1k+ posts)
Conspiracy theories can be a manifest of escapism from reality. That is quite right. This apathetic state of our society can be a decent recipe for people falling for conspiracy theories. And these conspiracy theories can actually be multi layered, ranging from stories of ******/ mehdi to likes of amir liaqat hussain and qadris who are walking conspiracy theories in themselves.

However

However, now i will get you back to the original discussion. That is simply not enough to disregard these THEORIES as conspiratorial. I think it matters who is dishing out this information with what intent.





Let's leave the discussion on the validity of conspiracy theories for a little while. Since you are a GP Psychiatrist, I am more keen to know you thoughts on the clinical analysis from a psychology standpoint on people who are very attracted to conspiracy theories.

Don't you think the clinical diagnosis is accurate on conspiracy theorists? It seems to fit on Pakistanis very well. And if you care to dwell deeper into this, you will have to look at Pakistani culture and society as whole. Now the next couple of sentences I am about to say have nothing to do with the discussion of how Pakistan is and the merits of it. Look at us. We have no Law and order, we do not have a system for anything. Pakistan is a free for all. The Pakistani man is hopeless. Some look at religion for hope. Dreams of a Khilafat. A revival of past glories (Which btw is also a symptom of depression). I always questioned this incessant need of our people to keep clinging onto such fantasies of hope.

So I decided to do research on this phenomenon. That's where I am coming from. I take a keen interest in not the conspiracy theory, but the person who believes in it. ;)
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Some conspiracy theories, even if true simply do not help us - even if we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are true. And if so, it's good to know but no help. This is where keen objectivity comes into play. Prioritizing what needs to be taken into consideration and what can be discarded because it solves nothing at present.

I'll give you a small example. Former president Asif Ali Zardari. This man is well known to be and have been embezzling millions of dollars from Pakistan. People call him all sorts of names and he is ridiculed all the time. My take on the matter is this; if you cannot catch him then all these theories are for nothing. They accomplish nothing other than setting the tone for how you perceive this man. So unlike a lot of Pakistanis I discarded his theoretical character and concentrated on the Office of the President that he occupied. That is objective thinking. I went against my nature to respect the office he commanded. While most Pakistanis would find doing this unthinkable. We need clarity of thought and organized thinking. Not Gossip, Conjecture and finding patterns in Alloos and tindays for God and other events.

Which knowledge of Conspiracy theory has actually helped us?


Conspiracy theories can be a manifest of escapism from reality. That is quite right. This apathetic state of our society can be a decent recipe for people falling for conspiracy theories. And these conspiracy theories can actually be multi layered, ranging from stories of ******/ mehdi to likes of amir liaqat hussain and qadris who are walking conspiracy theories in themselves.

However

However, now i will get you back to the original discussion. That is simply not enough to disregard these THEORIES as conspiratorial. I think it matters who is dishing out this information with what intent.
 

sangeen

Minister (2k+ posts)
Please specify which event(s)?


What America and other imperial powers doing in the world......... Wars, wars, more wars to scare the shitt out of people and crafting new reasons for them which people like you ignore pointing them as conspiracy theories.
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What America and other imperial powers doing in the world......... Wars, wars, more wars to scare the shitt out of people and crafting new reasons for them which people like you ignore pointing them as conspiracy theories.
In which time frame was there NOT any war(s)? Is it so different now? When Baghdad fell, the Abbasids fell. People thought Halagu Khan was the antichrist - The D4jjal. The People thought the prophecy was coming true. When the Ottoman's fell people thought the prophecy was coming true. It's the same story repeating over and over, throughout the course of history.

If you step back and look at the grand canvas of history you will see that most patterns always repeat themselves. The problem is most of us do not look at time as a picture that's fully made, but rather we only live in the present. This is why most of our minds are clinging so readily to conspiracy theories and ofcourse the other psychological inclinations.

I don't see anything out of the ordinary than what has been happening since the past 8000 years of human history.
 
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This thread is full of religious hate and war mongering. I request all extremist elements to stop believing in conspiracy theories. There is no 3 world war going on. Please Please do not create war panic and stay peaceful.
 

BrotherKantu

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
How monstrously stupid it is to deny it by just saying "another conspiracy theory". Did you even listened what it said ? every single word stated was a fact.

Oye ankhein kholo !!!!! (beshak karo kuch na (bigsmile))


First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
 

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