Why did huors is banned?

[insaf_tiger]

Re: why did huors is banned

Horus was banned, Why?
Anyway its good to see Insaaf Tiger being himself a Fanatic by thoughts (sorry if i am wrong), raising voice for him...... Its a good change

subhanallah pa jee .. If I reject to accept violence against Bangladeshi people against waziristani against balouchi rest of pakistanies if I support asia bibi If a support the innocent of lal masjids .. I am fanatic and those who r doing it are liberal kia baat hai aap ki

 

[insaf_tiger]

Re: why did horus is banned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNuy-Azw7xI

 

[insaf_tiger]

Re: why did horus is banned

Yeh pichli jange jo hui uske mutaliq baat ho rahi hai. Isme aap doval ko kyu ghasit rahe hain. Woh ek intelligence agency ki strategy bayan kar rahe the jo ki koi rocket science to hai nahi. Ham bhi yehi kuch sochte agar hame ye zimmedari mil jati.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNuy-Azw7xI
watch it and enjoy and also ask your army chief to come in Pakistan and face questions form Pakistani nation same as our chief ..

 

[PUNJABIMUNDANO1]

Re: why did huors is banned

subhanallah pa jee .. If I reject to accept violence against Bangladeshi people against waziristani against balouchi rest of pakistanies if I support asia bibi If a support the innocent of lal masjids .. I am fanatic and those who r doing it are liberal kia baat hai aap ki

Brother....... Pakistani Army and Police have every right to enter in any Mosque or Madarasa those who opposed it are the real culprits of the victims of Lal Masjid. Pakistani state cannot let it happen otherwise there will be millions of states within Pakistan and our destiny will be that of Iraq and Syria.

Only a fanatic can support Lal Masjid Mullahs .........

Okay if a Shia Mosque or Maddrass do the same as of Lal Masjid Mullas , Will u support them?

 

[insaf_tiger]

Re: why did huors is banned

Brother....... Pakistani Army and Police have every right to enter in any Mosque or Madarasa those who opposed it are the real culprits of the victims of Lal Masjid. Pakistani state cannot let it happen otherwise there will be millions of states within Pakistan and our destiny will be that of Iraq and Syria.

Only a fanatic can support Lal Masjid Mullahs .........
no .1) not only shia any one who had stood against the corruption in society I would have supported them ......2 ) you said it was right of pak army or police to enter in mosque sorry I call it brain washing or brain washed .as fazlur rehman said voting aginst me is haram so as paksitan army use the term pointing fingures on our corruption is haram or being traitor ., I stand hell against pti for killing three poor in the name of encroachment operation in Peshawar .. I hate tahir qadri the most fraudulent person but will be standing out side with him what criminal Nawaz has done with his followers in model town .. I want to kick the grave of beighairat yahya who killed our own muslims in banglagesh for his wine and adultery .. ist of all musharaf himself was rulling Pakistan illegally he has no right to rule Pakistan .. 2ndly what were the demands of lal masjid .. remove brothels form Islamabad ..isn't it against islam and the constitution of Pakistan .were they asking some thing out of constitution no .. 2nd demand build those seven mosque which were demolished because it was troubling musharad route what if musharaf has rebuild them a bit far then route .. and then it is on record chudary shujat accepted on tv that they have successfully conducted talks with molana ghazi and every thing was settled but musharf was adding new clause at each step seems that he was decided to operate aginst them ... boss government dnst behave in this way it is state duty to carry every body along them .musharaf was an idiot who killed lal masjid kids just blaming they had some weapons where as he gave full permission to mqm to kill as many as you can on 12 may ..

 

[barca]

مندا تھیوے اوناں لوکاں دا جنا ساڈے سجن ںکھیرے
موں تے کر کے مٹھیاں گلاں جا دیندے غلط سنھیرے​

 

[PUNJABIMUNDANO1]

Re: why did huors is banned

Brother....... Pakistani Army and Police have every right to enter in any Mosque or Madarasa those who opposed it are the real culprits of the victims of Lal Masjid. Pakistani state cannot let it happen otherwise there will be millions of states within Pakistan and our destiny will be that of Iraq and Syria.

Only a fanatic can support Lal Masjid Mullahs .........
no .1) not only shia any one who had stood against the corruption in society I would have supported them ......2 ) you said it was right of pak army or police to enter in mosque sorry I call it brain washing or brain washed .as fazlur rehman said voting aginst me is haram so as paksitan army use the term pointing fingures on our corruption is haram or being traitor ., I stand hell against pti for killing three poor in the name of encroachment operation in Peshawar .. I hate tahir qadri the most fraudulent person but will be standing out side with him what criminal Nawaz has done with his followers in model town .. I want to kick the grave of beighairat yahya who killed our own muslims in banglagesh for his wine and adultery .. ist of all musharaf himself was rulling Pakistan illegally he has no right to rule Pakistan .. 2ndly what were the demands of lal masjid .. remove brothels form Islamabad ..isn't it against islam and the constitution of Pakistan .were they asking some thing out of constitution no .. 2nd demand build those seven mosque which were demolished because it was troubling musharad route what if musharaf has rebuild them a bit far then route .. and then it is on record chudary shujat accepted on tv that they have successfully conducted talks with molana ghazi and every thing was settled but musharf was adding new clause at each step seems that he was decided to operate aginst them ... boss government dnst behave in this way it is state duty to carry every body along them .musharaf was an idiot who killed lal masjid kids just blaming they had some weapons where as he gave full permission to mqm to kill as many as you can on 12 may ..

Chaudhary Shujayat is a Politician his statement was just to save him and his family from the wrath of Mullahs... So we cannot take him seriously

Even if we accept his statement true again we cannot allow any group especially of sectarian one to roam around with guns.

I again reiterate my statement Army and Police have every right according to the constitution of this country to enter any Mosque or Madrass.

As for as Brothels are concerned I can prove u from Islamic text that they are legal in Islam, may be not in Modern form but in other versions.

About Musharraf u r right, He was a dictator and had no right to rule this country

 

[insaf_tiger]

Re: why did huors is banned

Chaudhary Shujayat is a Politician his statement was just to save him and his family from the wrath of Mullahs... So we cannot take him seriously

Even if we accept his statement true again we cannot allow any group especially of sectarian one to roam around with guns.

I again reiterate my statement Army and Police have every right according to the constitution of this country to enter any Mosque or Madrass.

As for as Brothels are concerned I can prove u from Islamic text that they are legal in Islam, may be not in Modern form but in other versions.

About Musharraf u r right, He was a dictator and had no right to rule this country

what brothel are legal in islam .. wawoo . spurb . we have every right to repond to such filthy army fake police and people like you .. this country was not made by this army . and we g f to such blood sucker army such bloody police ..and such system

 

[PUNJABIMUNDANO1]

Re: why did huors is banned

what brothel are legal in islam .. wawoo . spurb . we have every right to repond to such filthy army fake police and people like you .. this country was not made by this army . and we g f to such blood sucker army such bloody police ..and such system

Kia Islami Empire mein Salve Aurton Ki Mandi nahi Lagti thi?...........Kia slave aurton ko Kharidany aur Bachny Ka Karobar Nahi Hota tha?

Only difference is, at that time women were forced and nowadays they adopt slavery with their own will

 

[insaf_tiger]

Re: why did huors is banned

Kia Islami Empire mein Salve Aurton Ki Mandi nahi Lagti thi?...........Kia slave aurton ko Kharidany aur Bachny Ka Karobar Nahi Hota tha?

nahi lagti thi correct your record ... jin bachon ko on ki maon nay azad jana tum kon hotay ho onhain ghulam bananay walay hazrat umar bi khatab razi allah .

 

[PUNJABIMUNDANO1]

Re: why did huors is banned

nahi lagti thi correct your record ... jin bachon ko on ki maon nay azad jana tum kon hotay ho onhain ghulam bananay walay hazrat umar bi khatab razi allah .

Islam Q/A

Question...[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_light]Could you please clarify for me something that has been troubling me for a while. This concerns the right of a man to have sexual relations with slave girls. Is this so? If it is then is the man allowed to have relations with her as well his wife/wives. Also, is it true that a man can have sexual relations with any number of slave girls and with their own wife/wives also? I have read that Hazrat Ali had 17 slave girls and Hazrat Umar also had many. Surely if a man were allowed this freedom then this could lead to neglecting the wife's needs. Could you also tell clarify wether the wife has got any say in this matter.
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Answer....

[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_light]Praise be to Allaah. Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married.
A slave woman with whom a man has intercourse is known as a sariyyah (concubine) from the word sirr, which means marriage.
This is indicated by the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and this was done by the Prophets. Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) took Haajar as a concubine and she bore him Ismaa’eel (may peace be upon them all).
Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also did that, as did the Sahaabah, the righteous and the scholars. The scholars are unanimously agreed on that and it is not permissible for anyone to regard it as haraam or to forbid it. Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice”
[al-Nisa’ 4:3]
What is meant by “or (slaves) that your right hands possess” is slave women whom you own. And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal‑money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses — whom Allaah has given to you, and the daughters of your ‘Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ‘Ammaat (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khaal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khaalaat (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”
[al-Ahzaab 33:50]
“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).
Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.
But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]
Al-Tabari said:
Allaah says, “And those who guard their chastity” i.e., protect their private parts from doing everything that Allaah has forbidden, but they are not to blame if they do not guard their chastity from their wives or from the female slaves whom their rights hands possess.
Tafseer al-Tabari, 29/84
Ibn Katheer said:
Taking a concubine as well as a wife is permissible according to the law of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him). Ibraaheem did that with Haajar, when he took her as a concubine when he was married to Saarah.
Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/383
And Ibn Katheer also said:
The phrase “and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses — whom Allaah has given to you” [al-Ahzaab 33:50] means, it is permissible for you take concubines from among those whom you seized as war booty. He took possession of Safiyyah and Juwayriyah and he freed them and married them; he took possession of Rayhaanah bint Sham’oon al-Nadariyyah and Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah, the mother of his son Ibraaheem (peace be upon them both), and they were among his concubines, may Allaah be pleased with them both.
Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/500
The scholars are unanimously agreed that it is permissible.
Ibn Qudaamah said:
There is no dispute (among the scholars) that it is permissible to take concubines and to have intercourse with one's slave woman, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).
Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30]
Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah was the umm walad (a slave woman who bore her master a child) of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and she was the mother of Ibraaheem, the son of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), of whom he said, “Her son set her free.” Haajar, the mother of Isma’eel (peace be upon him), was the concubine of Ibraaheem the close friend (khaleel) of the Most Merciful (peace be upon him). ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) had a number of slave women who bore him children, to each of whom he left four hundred in his will. ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) had slave women who bore him children, as did many of the Sahaabah. ‘Ali ibn al-Husayn, al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad and Saalim ibn ‘Abd-Allaah were all born from slave mothers
Al-Mughni, 10/441
Al-Shaafa’i (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).
Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30]
The Book of Allaah indicates that the sexual relationships that are permitted are only of two types, either marriage or those (women slaves) whom one’s right hand possesses.
Al-Umm, 5/43.
The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them.
And Allaah knows best.
http://islamqa.info/en/10382


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[insaf_tiger]

Re: why did huors is banned

Islam Q/A

Question...[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_light]Could you please clarify for me something that has been troubling me for a while. This concerns the right of a man to have sexual relations with slave girls. Is this so? If it is then is the man allowed to have relations with her as well his wife/wives. Also, is it true that a man can have sexual relations with any number of slave girls and with their own wife/wives also? I have read that Hazrat Ali had 17 slave girls and Hazrat Umar also had many. Surely if a man were allowed this freedom then this could lead to neglecting the wife's needs. Could you also tell clarify wether the wife has got any say in this matter.
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Answer....

[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_light]Praise be to Allaah. Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married.
A slave woman with whom a man has intercourse is known as a sariyyah (concubine) from the word sirr, which means marriage.
This is indicated by the Quraan and Sunnah, and this was done by the Prophets. Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) took Haajar as a concubine and she bore him Ismaaeel (may peace be upon them all).
Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also did that, as did the Sahaabah, the righteous and the scholars. The scholars are unanimously agreed on that and it is not permissible for anyone to regard it as haraam or to forbid it. Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice
[al-Nisa 4:3]
What is meant by or (slaves) that your right hands possess is slave women whom you own. And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal‑money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses whom Allaah has given to you, and the daughters of your Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your Ammaat (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khaal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khaalaat (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful
[al-Ahzaab 33:50]
And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).
Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.
But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers
[al-Maaarij 70:29-31]
Al-Tabari said:
Allaah says, And those who guard their chastity i.e., protect their private parts from doing everything that Allaah has forbidden, but they are not to blame if they do not guard their chastity from their wives or from the female slaves whom their rights hands possess.
Tafseer al-Tabari, 29/84
Ibn Katheer said:
Taking a concubine as well as a wife is permissible according to the law of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him). Ibraaheem did that with Haajar, when he took her as a concubine when he was married to Saarah.
Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/383
And Ibn Katheer also said:
The phrase and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses whom Allaah has given to you [al-Ahzaab 33:50] means, it is permissible for you take concubines from among those whom you seized as war booty. He took possession of Safiyyah and Juwayriyah and he freed them and married them; he took possession of Rayhaanah bint Shamoon al-Nadariyyah and Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah, the mother of his son Ibraaheem (peace be upon them both), and they were among his concubines, may Allaah be pleased with them both.
Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/500
The scholars are unanimously agreed that it is permissible.
Ibn Qudaamah said:
There is no dispute (among the scholars) that it is permissible to take concubines and to have intercourse with one's slave woman, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).
Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.
[al-Maaarij 70:29-30]
Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah was the umm walad (a slave woman who bore her master a child) of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and she was the mother of Ibraaheem, the son of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), of whom he said, Her son set her free. Haajar, the mother of Ismaeel (peace be upon him), was the concubine of Ibraaheem the close friend (khaleel) of the Most Merciful (peace be upon him). Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) had a number of slave women who bore him children, to each of whom he left four hundred in his will. Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) had slave women who bore him children, as did many of the Sahaabah. Ali ibn al-Husayn, al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad and Saalim ibn Abd-Allaah were all born from slave mothers
Al-Mughni, 10/441
Al-Shaafai (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).
Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.
[al-Maaarij 70:29-30]
The Book of Allaah indicates that the sexual relationships that are permitted are only of two types, either marriage or those (women slaves) whom ones right hand possesses.
Al-Umm, 5/43.
The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them.
And Allaah knows best.
http://islamqa.info/en/10382


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ist of all the website you picked it up islamqa ansawer is not authentic ..they never provide you the quranic version .. now let me ask you a question since i didn't read all of it ..it says god says you will not asked if you do not protect your private partes from your wives of legal slave. women .. what is legal sex with slave women ?

 

[PUNJABIMUNDANO1]

Re: why did huors is banned

ist of all the website you picked it up islamqa ansawer is not authentic ..they never provide you the quranic version .. now let me ask you a question since i didn't read all of it ..it says god says you will not asked if you do not protect your private partes from your wives of legal slave. women .. what is legal sex with slave women ?

This is also my question........... Plz go and ask the same question urself on Islamic sites, Hope they will clear u about this matter

 

[Rashna]

Re: why did horus is banned

Sorry being somebody's son doesn't make anyone a subject matter expert. :)

this is so funny typical indian stereo type that I am wrong .. It just remind me when one of your anchor keep trying fail attempts on front of pervaiz musharaf when he was giving him facts .but he was keep coming up with one answer it is still debatable .. . with due respect madam yes it does give me extra edge and empowers me to put more facts and logic to phrase proven incidents internationally accepted that I am from military family .. yet I will not be surprized if you ever taunt son of your scientist abudl kalam since you r the son of Abdul kalam so for the reason you belive in fake laws of physics . or chemistry . but as I said if you can not talk about it don't even think about it . good are our politicians making public fool so as Indians .. Inida attacked Pakistan both in 65 in 71 they supported mukti bani as they are doing it today supporting ttp with Russians .. india attacked in siachin in 84 .. Pakistan only attacked loc in 99 at cargil .. this ist war 1948 where paksitan freed from gilgit tu azad Kashmir paksitan fought against india but u can not claim it Pakistan attacked india as it was not part of india and was disputed territory

 

[Sniper]

Re: why did huors is banned

faiday ki baat kar rahay ho . patwari ho kia ..

میں آپ کے ساتھ ہوں۔ یہ لوگ کسی کو جواب دینا پسند نہیں کرتے۔ اور مجھے ان سے جواب ملنے کی امید بھی نہیں۔

 

[insaf_tiger]

Re: why did huors is banned

This is also my question........... Plz go and ask the same question urself on Islamic sites, Hope they will clear u about this matter

alhamdulilah i am very clear in my thoughts i give you a simple tip boss .. when ever you feel something wrong and you think this is wrong in general that can never be right in islam ..this is a very simple tip .. or otherwise if you want i can send you details of an alim will answer you all your question .. but on general note i myself can answer you ...don't get yourself trap in tribal history of arab .. that isn't Islamic history .. islam dsnt allow to keep some one as slave .yes in early days the order can step by step to change the taboo .but that dsnt mean for taking a bit of time to make people accept that change we should pick that as example ... as it is also written in quran do not pray while drunk ..now u can not drive from it the drinking wine is halal ..my friend arab was a tribal area with insane culture women were killed when their husband die or they use to burry their girls alive . it is human psyche that they do not accept a gross change quickly .islam has encouraged to free slaves in many punishment for sins islam has provided it as an option to use to slaves in order to seek pardon . do not get yourself trapped .. in hazrat umars regime practice to keep slave was finished ..and he said how dare you can make some one slave when his mother born him a free human ..

 

[PUNJABIMUNDANO1]

Re: why did huors is banned

alhamdulilah i am very clear in my thoughts i give you a simple tip boss .. when ever you feel something wrong and you think this is wrong in general that can never be right in islam ..this is a very simple tip .. or otherwise if you want i can send you details of an alim will answer you all your question .. but on general note i myself can answer you ...don't get yourself trap in tribal history of arab .. that isn't Islamic history .. islam dsnt allow to keep some one as slave .yes in early days the order can step by step to change the taboo .but that dsnt mean for taking a bit of time to make people accept that change we should pick that as example ... as it is also written in quran do not pray while drunk ..now u can not drive from it the drinking wine is halal ..my friend arab was a tribal area with insane culture women were killed when their husband die or they use to burry their girls alive . it is human psyche that they do not accept a gross change quickly .islam has encouraged to free slaves in many punishment for sins islam has provided it as an option to use to slaves in order to seek pardon . do not get yourself trapped .. in hazrat umars regime practice to keep slave was finished ..and he said how dare you can make some one slave when his mother born him a free human ..

Hazrat Umer was not a Prophet to add or subtract any injunction of Islam.............. Anyway u r right about other things

 

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