When all the Muslim follow one and the same Quran then why are there so many sects and different sch

Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
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Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اللہ جھوٹ نہ بلواےَ تو ویلے کو کم و بیش چار ماہ اس فارم کا ممبر بنے ہو گےَ ہین اور زیادہ تر جن احباب سے گفت و شنید کرنے کی سعادت ملی ان مین بابا دینا صا حب اور مفتی سیاست پی کے جناب باکستان ۱۹۴۷ شامل ہین

مفتی صاحب کے متعلق کیا عرض کروں بقول ان کے ان کی حب الو طنی کی گواہی ان کا نام ہے
مفتی صاحب کے دل مین امت کا درد کوٹ کوٹ کے بھرا ہے جس کا وہ اظہار اپنی پو سٹوں مین کرتے ہین اور مسلمانوں کی زبوں حالی کا رونا روتے ہین

ان کے نزدیک امت کی اس دگرگوں حالت کی وجہ یا تو شرک ہے یا بدعت

ان کے خیا لات سے تو اب ان کے لیپ ٹوپ کے کی بورڈ بھی آگاہ ہے اور مفتی صاحب کو زحمت دیے بغیر ہی شرک و بدعت کا راگ آلاپنا شروع کر دیتا ہے

اب مجھے امید ہے میرے اس جملے پہ بھی کفر کا فتوی آئد ہو گا کیونکہ غیب کا علم صرف اللہ جانتا ہے اور کی بورڈ بیچارہ کسی کھاتے مین نھیں آتا

خیر اب ویلے پہ الزام یہ بھی آےَ گا کہ اس نے گفتگو کا رخ غیر ضروری باتو ں کی جانب کر دیا تو مزید ویلا آپ سے ایک وڈیو شیَر کرنا کی جسارت کرتا ہے جس مین آپ مفتی صاحب کے ہم مسلک عالم سے مسلمان کے علاوہ بھی اور ناموں سے
پکارے جانے کی وضا حت سماعت فرمایَن گے

آخر مین التجا ہے کہ ویلے کی گستاخیوں پہ خندہ پیشانی کا مظاہرہ کرین گے

Dear Veila,

Please do not divert the topic as usual. The title for this thread is:

"When all the Muslim follow one and the same Qur’an then why are there so many sects and different schools of thoughts"

Please do not post irrelevant videos. I respect Dr. Zakir Naik for his knowledge in comparative religions but I am not follower of Dr. Zakir Naik or Rabani, I am follower of Quraan and Sunnah pbuh (authentic Hadeeths) only.


The Glorious Qur'an says :


إِنَّ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا لَّسْتَ مِنْهُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ ۚ إِنَّمَا أَمْرُهُمْ إِلَى اللَّهِ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُم بِمَا كَانُوا يَفْعَلُونَ
Yusuf Ali 159: As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah. He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did. [Al-Qur'an 6:159]
جنہوں نے اپنے دین کو ٹکڑے ٹکڑے کر دیا اور کئی جماعتیں بن گئے تیرا ان سے کوئی تعلق نہیں اس کا کام الله ہی کے حوالے ہے پھر وہی انہیں بتلائے گا جو کچھ وہ کرتے تھے

Just think about it ... neither any of he four Imams were follower of a particular sect nor they instructed Muslims to follow any particular sect. They were actually follower of Quraan and authentic Hadeeths.
Amazingly they did not follow each other but followed the source i.e., Quraan and authentic Hadeeths.

All the four great Imams said that if any of their Fatwas or teachings contradict Allah’s word, i.e. the Qur’an, or the sayings of the Prophet (pbuh) i.e. authentic Hadith, then that particulars Fatwa of theirs should be rejected, and the Sunnah of the Prophet should be followed.

Refer:
a. Eeqaadh al-Himam, Al Fulaanee (Imam Abu Hanifa)
b. Al-Majmoo’ of an-Nawawee (1/63) (Imam Shafi)
c. Jaami ‘Bayan al-Ilm, Ibn Abdul-Barr (Imam Malik)
d. Eeqaadh al-Himam (Imam Hanbal)

 

Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
Pakistani Bhai,

If you don't mind may I ask if you could read Urdu?

Just surprised as if you haven't read my comments!

One of lines say: You would blame me to divert topic.

Same you said!

But would you issue Fatwa against me as it's Allah who knows the UNSEEN!

If not then please explain.

Please, I shall be grateful to you.

Secondly, coming back to Verse:

May I ask: When this Ayah is revealed?

Obviously not now!

Were there any sect when this Ayah revealed?

Suppose: There were no sect in Muslims when this Ayah revealed then whom that Ayah is addressing to?

Thirdly, your comment about Aa'ima e Mujtahideen that they didn't follow each other:

One very simple question: Imam e Azam is Imam Abu Hanifa Rahmatulla Tala Alaih but:

Did Imam Shafi forbade Muslims to follow Abu Hanifa?

Did Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal forbade Muslims to follow Imam Shafi?

If yes then produce evidence I shall stop following them as well.

If not then don't you think they must had done it!

Fourthly: According to you a person who follows Imam doesn't follow Quran o Hadith!

Great Logic!

Isn't it?

May I ask: Following Rasool Allah Sal Lallah o Waslam means you are not following Allah!

In the end I would like to you ask you a very simple question:

You must be aware there are more or less 27 names related to Quran, one of them is Hadith so:

May I call Quran a book of Hadith?

If I call Quran a book of Hadith then what name should be given to sayings of Rasool Allah Sal Lallah o Wasalam?
 

Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
@ Mughal Sahab:

Sir, state clearly you have reservation about Nazriya e Wahdat ul Wajood and Wahdat ul Shahood!

Any way I have question for Mr. Javed Ahmad Ghamdi:

Namaz Main Kon Kon Sa Rukn Farz Hai?

Kon Sa Wajib Hai?

Kon Sa Sunnat Hai?

Kon Sa Nafil Hai?

Kon Sa Mustahib Hai?

Phir Aap Yah Batein Kah Farz, Wajib, Sunnat, Nafil, Mustahab Ki Categories Kab Amal Main Ayein?

Phir Yah Batein Kah Agar Farz Chotay To Kafara Kiya Hai?

Wajib Chotay To Kafara Kiya Hai?

Sunnat Chotay To Kafara Kiya Hai?

Phir........

Yah Batein Kah Aik Koi Rukn Do (2 Times, maslan kha aik rakat main 2 rako) Martaba Ada Ho To Kafara Kiya Hai?

Phir Aap In Ka Source Bhi Batein Kah Kis Ayat Ya Kis Hadith Say Aap Nay Akhaz Kiya Hai?

Agar Javed Sahab Na Milain To Aap Khud Takleef Farma Dein!

Zara Nawazi Ho Gi Aap Ki, Veilay Ap Ka Ahsan Nahi Bholay Ga In Sha Allah
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
@ Mughal Sahab:

Sir, state clearly you have reservation about Nazriya e Wahdat ul Wajood and Wahdat ul Shahood!

Any way I have question for Mr. Javed Ahmad Ghamdi:

Namaz Main Kon Kon Sa Rukn Farz Hai?

Kon Sa Wajib Hai?

Kon Sa Sunnat Hai?

Kon Sa Nafil Hai?

Kon Sa Mustahib Hai?

Phir Aap Yah Batein Kah Farz, Wajib, Sunnat, Nafil, Mustahab Ki Categories Kab Amal Main Ayein?

Phir Yah Batein Kah Agar Farz Chotay To Kafara Kiya Hai?

Wajib Chotay To Kafara Kiya Hai?

Sunnat Chotay To Kafara Kiya Hai?

Phir........

Yah Batein Kah Aik Koi Rukn Do (2 Times, maslan kha aik rakat main 2 rako) Martaba Ada Ho To Kafara Kiya Hai?

Phir Aap In Ka Source Bhi Batein Kah Kis Ayat Ya Kis Hadith Say Aap Nay Akhaz Kiya Hai?

Agar Javed Sahab Na Milain To Aap Khud Takleef Farma Dein!

Zara Nawazi Ho Gi Aap Ki, Veilay Ap Ka Ahsan Nahi Bholay Ga In Sha Allah

Dear Veila Mast, deen is only that which comes from the quran on basis of wisdom. This is a very important guiding rule for one to remember.

It means accepting whatever interpretation of the quran makes best sense and rejecting whatever does not because Allah can only and only be expected to talk sense. We should never make the mistake of attributing nonsense to Allah and rasool.

It is for this reason we should follow regarding any point whatever makes better sense no matter who says it and give up anything that is nonsense no matter who says it.

Not everything a mullah says is wrong and not everything an aalim says is right. This is why if we follow anyone other than allah and rasool then there is a real risk for us of going wrong and if we stiill stick to it as a personality cult then sectarianism is inevitable. On the other hand if we follow Allah and rasool then there is no chance for us of going wrong other than our own lack of wisdom. So we should try harder to be more wise.

I accept sunni, shia, brelavi, deobandi, ahlal hadith, wahabi, salafi and what have you on that basis. Where I know better I rather follow that than any of these. This is what islam is all about ie learn from all points of views but follow the one's that make better sense regarding any matter.

I hope this is of help with my regards and best wishes.
 
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