Veila Mast
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@Faiza:
I wonder how come so many things are not mentioned in Quran!
Some people claim about knowledge of everything in Quran but Dr. Zakir proves it's not ture.
Secondly, could you argue if something is not mentioned in Quran then UNISLAMIC!
Which Ayah tells in Quran of such claim?
Will you help me here to understand this?
I wonder how come so many things are not mentioned in Quran!
Some people claim about knowledge of everything in Quran but Dr. Zakir proves it's not ture.
Secondly, could you argue if something is not mentioned in Quran then UNISLAMIC!
Which Ayah tells in Quran of such claim?
Will you help me here to understand this?
Taweez ( AMULETS)
The defenition of a ta'wiz is simply a written du'a from the Qur'an or ahadith, and is for the one who cannot read or has not memorized that particular du'a. It is written on a piece of paper and is worn around the neck.
We, the Ahl as-Sunna, believe that to wear a ta'wiz around the neck is permissible if the du'a' contained in it is written from the Qur'an or ahadith. Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) used to recite du'a' and then blow onto the sick person. The Companions of the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) also did this and they wrote the du'a' on a piece of paper and placed it around the neck of a person if they could not read it. Of course, the du'a's from the Qur'an and ahadith have the power to heal the sick. Some people say that if you wear the ta'wiz you are commiting shirk, but we shall prove, with the help of Allah, that it is permissible to wear a ta'wiz.
The Qur'an Has the Power of Healing
Allah Most High says in the Qur'an:
"...We send down in Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to the believers..."
[Sura Banu Isra'il, verse 82]
Qadi Shawkani writes, "If the Qur'an's du'a's are recited and blown on the sick, they will be cured. When the non-believers recite the Qur'an, their blasphemic disease will be cured" [Tafsir Fath al-Qadir, under Sura Bani Isra'il, verse 82]
Proof of Wearing the ta'wiz
Hafiz Ibn Kathir and Qadi Shawkani write:
"Amr ibn Shu'aib (may Allah be pleased with him) said that 'Rasulu'llah(may Allah bless him and grant him peace) taught my father and grandfather a du'a which we would read before going to sleep, to protect us from fear and anguish.We told our elder children to recite this du'a before going to sleep as well.But for those children who were not yet literate, we would write it and then put it around their necks"
[Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal vol.2; Abu Dawud, in 'Chapter of Medicine'; Tafsir Ibn Kathir, under Sura al-Mu'minun, verse 97; and Qadi Shawkani, Fath al-Qadir, under the same verse]
The defenition of a ta'wiz is simply a written du'a from the Qur'an or ahadith, and is for the one who cannot read or has not memorized that particular du'a. It is written on a piece of paper and is worn around the neck.
We, the Ahl as-Sunna, believe that to wear a ta'wiz around the neck is permissible if the du'a' contained in it is written from the Qur'an or ahadith. Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) used to recite du'a' and then blow onto the sick person. The Companions of the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) also did this and they wrote the du'a' on a piece of paper and placed it around the neck of a person if they could not read it. Of course, the du'a's from the Qur'an and ahadith have the power to heal the sick. Some people say that if you wear the ta'wiz you are commiting shirk, but we shall prove, with the help of Allah, that it is permissible to wear a ta'wiz.
The Qur'an Has the Power of Healing
Allah Most High says in the Qur'an:
"...We send down in Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to the believers..."
[Sura Banu Isra'il, verse 82]
Qadi Shawkani writes, "If the Qur'an's du'a's are recited and blown on the sick, they will be cured. When the non-believers recite the Qur'an, their blasphemic disease will be cured" [Tafsir Fath al-Qadir, under Sura Bani Isra'il, verse 82]
Proof of Wearing the ta'wiz
Hafiz Ibn Kathir and Qadi Shawkani write:
"Amr ibn Shu'aib (may Allah be pleased with him) said that 'Rasulu'llah(may Allah bless him and grant him peace) taught my father and grandfather a du'a which we would read before going to sleep, to protect us from fear and anguish.We told our elder children to recite this du'a before going to sleep as well.But for those children who were not yet literate, we would write it and then put it around their necks"
[Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal vol.2; Abu Dawud, in 'Chapter of Medicine'; Tafsir Ibn Kathir, under Sura al-Mu'minun, verse 97; and Qadi Shawkani, Fath al-Qadir, under the same verse]
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It is Permissible to Read Du'a and Blow Upon the Sick
Imam al-Bukhari and Imam Muslim write:
"When a person who was sick or in some distress they would go to the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) who would then place his hand on the area of pain and recite a du'a' and then blow onto him"
[Bukhari; Muslim, Chapter of Tibb]
Imam Muslim writes:
"When the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) was ill for the last time, Angel Jibril (peace be upon him) came and recited du'a' and blew on to the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace)"
[Muslim, Chapter of Tibb]
Imam Muslim writes:
" 'A'isha (may Allah be pleased with her) relates that when the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) was ill for the last time, she recited Sura al-Falaq and Sura an-Nas and then blew on to the Prophet's (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) hands. The Prophet then blew this onto his own face and body because his hands had more blessing then 'A'isha's (may Allah be pleased with her)"
[Muslim, Chapter of Tibb]
From the above narrations, it proves that to blow after reciting du'a's onto the sick is Sunna and the more pious the person is, the more healing power he has because he is blessed more than the less pious.
Hafiz Ibn Taymiyya writes:
"It is permissible to [to recite du'a's and then] blow upon the sick in Islam, but the words must be from the Qur'an or ahadith. If the words are not, then it is not permissible"
[Ibn Taymiyya, At-Tawassul, Chapter on Blowing onto the Sick]
Imam al-Bukhari and Imam Muslim write:
"When a person who was sick or in some distress they would go to the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) who would then place his hand on the area of pain and recite a du'a' and then blow onto him"
[Bukhari; Muslim, Chapter of Tibb]
Imam Muslim writes:
"When the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) was ill for the last time, Angel Jibril (peace be upon him) came and recited du'a' and blew on to the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace)"
[Muslim, Chapter of Tibb]
Imam Muslim writes:
" 'A'isha (may Allah be pleased with her) relates that when the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) was ill for the last time, she recited Sura al-Falaq and Sura an-Nas and then blew on to the Prophet's (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) hands. The Prophet then blew this onto his own face and body because his hands had more blessing then 'A'isha's (may Allah be pleased with her)"
[Muslim, Chapter of Tibb]
From the above narrations, it proves that to blow after reciting du'a's onto the sick is Sunna and the more pious the person is, the more healing power he has because he is blessed more than the less pious.
Hafiz Ibn Taymiyya writes:
"It is permissible to [to recite du'a's and then] blow upon the sick in Islam, but the words must be from the Qur'an or ahadith. If the words are not, then it is not permissible"
[Ibn Taymiyya, At-Tawassul, Chapter on Blowing onto the Sick]
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Q) Some people ask, 'How is it allowed to blow dua's onto the sick when some ahadith say this is forbidden?'
A) Allama Sa'idi has written the answer to this question in great detail; he has also included the opinion of all the other great scholars, and we will present this here.
Allama Sa'idi writes:
"Imam an-Nawawi in Sharh Muslim states: 'There are two types of ahadith concerning blowing. [reciting a du'a and then blowing onto a person]. One of the types is transmitted in Bukhari: 'There will be people who will enter Paradise without any questioning, who have never been blown upon.' Imam Muslim has also recorded a hadith in support of those who do not ask to be blown upon. Imam Bukhari in the chapter on Tibb [Medicine] has written du'as that our Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) recited when doing damm [reciting a du'a and then blowing onto a person]. Imam Muslim states in 'The Chapter on Virtues of the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace)' that: "When our Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) was ill, the Angel Jibril came to him and performed the blowing." The above types of ahadith apparently seem to contradict each other but in reality there is no contradiction.
"The former type of hadith refers to the prohibition of having read something that is not from the Qur'an and Sunna [i.e.something that has pictures, diagrams or words not from the Qur'an or Sunna] and then blow upon someone. The latter types of ahadith which permit damm refer to those kalimat [words or verses] which have been taught by the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace)"
[Allama Sa'idi, Sharh Sahih Muslim, Chapter of Tibb]
In the same way as above there are two types of ahadith concerning ta'wiz. There are many narrations that forbid the use of ta'wiz and also many permitting their use.
Imam al-Qurtubi wrote in detail about both types of ahadith concerning ta'wiz:
"The ta'wiz that are forbidden are those ta'wiz from the Time of Ignorance - those which are satanic and contain an element of shirk [mantar, voodoo and magic, etc.]. The ta'wiz, which are permitted are those written with du'as evidently from Qur'an and ahadith only"
[al-Qurtubi, at-Tadhkirat, chapter on 'Ta'wiz']
Here are the narrations which show the permission for one to wear a ta'wiz around one's neck:
Allama Alusi al-Hanafi, in his Tafsir of the Qur'an, writes:
"According to Imam Malik 'It is permitted to put around the neck the ta'wiz written with the name of Allah.' Imam Baqir also stated that it is permitted to put such a ta'wiz around the neck of a child"
[Ruh al-Mani, chapter 15, under Sura al-Mu'minun, verse 97]
Allama Shami al-Hanafi writes:
"It is permitted to write a ta'wiz and put it around the neck... It would be better if a person recites the du'as taught by the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace). But if a person cannot read or is too young to recite then it is permitted for that person to put it around the neck"
[Rad al-Mukhtar, chapter on 'Qira'at'; Sa'idi, Sharh Sahih Muslim, Chapter on Tibb]
To conclude, it can be said that those verses that oppose the Qur'an, Shari'a, or the Sunna are forbidden to read and also forbidden to put around the neck.But as for the du'as and verses from the Qur'an and Sunna it is permitted to be written and put around the neck of a small child, illiterate or a sick person.
A) Allama Sa'idi has written the answer to this question in great detail; he has also included the opinion of all the other great scholars, and we will present this here.
Allama Sa'idi writes:
"Imam an-Nawawi in Sharh Muslim states: 'There are two types of ahadith concerning blowing. [reciting a du'a and then blowing onto a person]. One of the types is transmitted in Bukhari: 'There will be people who will enter Paradise without any questioning, who have never been blown upon.' Imam Muslim has also recorded a hadith in support of those who do not ask to be blown upon. Imam Bukhari in the chapter on Tibb [Medicine] has written du'as that our Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) recited when doing damm [reciting a du'a and then blowing onto a person]. Imam Muslim states in 'The Chapter on Virtues of the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace)' that: "When our Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) was ill, the Angel Jibril came to him and performed the blowing." The above types of ahadith apparently seem to contradict each other but in reality there is no contradiction.
"The former type of hadith refers to the prohibition of having read something that is not from the Qur'an and Sunna [i.e.something that has pictures, diagrams or words not from the Qur'an or Sunna] and then blow upon someone. The latter types of ahadith which permit damm refer to those kalimat [words or verses] which have been taught by the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace)"
[Allama Sa'idi, Sharh Sahih Muslim, Chapter of Tibb]
In the same way as above there are two types of ahadith concerning ta'wiz. There are many narrations that forbid the use of ta'wiz and also many permitting their use.
Imam al-Qurtubi wrote in detail about both types of ahadith concerning ta'wiz:
"The ta'wiz that are forbidden are those ta'wiz from the Time of Ignorance - those which are satanic and contain an element of shirk [mantar, voodoo and magic, etc.]. The ta'wiz, which are permitted are those written with du'as evidently from Qur'an and ahadith only"
[al-Qurtubi, at-Tadhkirat, chapter on 'Ta'wiz']
Here are the narrations which show the permission for one to wear a ta'wiz around one's neck:
Allama Alusi al-Hanafi, in his Tafsir of the Qur'an, writes:
"According to Imam Malik 'It is permitted to put around the neck the ta'wiz written with the name of Allah.' Imam Baqir also stated that it is permitted to put such a ta'wiz around the neck of a child"
[Ruh al-Mani, chapter 15, under Sura al-Mu'minun, verse 97]
Allama Shami al-Hanafi writes:
"It is permitted to write a ta'wiz and put it around the neck... It would be better if a person recites the du'as taught by the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace). But if a person cannot read or is too young to recite then it is permitted for that person to put it around the neck"
[Rad al-Mukhtar, chapter on 'Qira'at'; Sa'idi, Sharh Sahih Muslim, Chapter on Tibb]
To conclude, it can be said that those verses that oppose the Qur'an, Shari'a, or the Sunna are forbidden to read and also forbidden to put around the neck.But as for the du'as and verses from the Qur'an and Sunna it is permitted to be written and put around the neck of a small child, illiterate or a sick person.
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Imam Ibn Taymiyya writes in his Fatawa: (ta'wizes).
In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,
Hanging or wearing of amulets (ta’wiz) is normally permissible for protection or healing provided certain conditions are met:
1) That they consist of the names of Allah Almighty or his attributes;
2) That they are in Arabic;
3) That they do not consist of anything that is disbelief (kufr);
4) The user does not believe the words have any affect in themselves, but are empowered to do so by Allah Most High.
It is narrated from Amr ibn Shu’ayb, from his father, from his grandfather (Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas (Allah be pleased with them all), that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to teach them (the Sahabas) for fearful situations the following words:
“I seek refuge in Allah’s perfect words from His wrath, the evil of his servants, the whispered insinuations of devils, and that they come to me”
Abd Allah ibn Amr used to teach these words to those of his sons who had reached the age of reason, and used to write them and hang them upon those who had not reached the age of reason (narrated by Abu Dawud & Tirmidhi, and Tirmidhi classed it as an authentic narration).
In the Musannaf of Imam Abu Bakr ibn Abi Shayba, the permissibility of hanging Ta’wizes is reported from many of the Companions and early Muslims (Salaf), including: Sa’id ibn al-Musayyab, Ata', Mujahid, Abd Allah ibn Amr, Ibn Sirin, Ubaydullah ibn Abd Allah ibn Umar, and others (Allah be well pleased with them all). [See: al-Musannaf, 5.439]. Due to the above, most of the scholars have declared the using of amulets (ta’wiz) permissible as long as the above conditions are met. It is similar to using medication which is permissible and not against the concept of reliance in Allah (tawakkul) or monotheism Tawhid. However, it is not permissible to regard the Ta’wiz to be effective in it self, just as it is not permissible to regard medicines to be effective in them selves.
As for that which is reported from some, including Ibn Mas’ud (Allah be pleased with him), that hanging Ta’wizes is shirk, this is understood to mean those Ta’wizes that resemble the one’s used in the days of ignorance (jahiliyya), or if used thinking that it is the ta’wiz itself that cures or protects, not Allah, or if it contains impermissible invocations or one’s whose meaning is not known.
Imam Ibn Taymiyya (Allah have mercy on him) writes in his Fatawa:
“It is permissible for an ill or troubled person, that certain verses from the Qur’an are written with pure ink, then it is washed and given to the ill to drink. Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have mentioned a certain Dua that should be written and placed close to the woman who is experiencing hard labour at the time of giving birth.
Sayyiduna Ali (Allah be pleased with him) says: This Dua should be written and tied to the arm of the woman. We have experienced that there is nothing more amazing than this” (Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya, 19/65). Imam Ibn Taymiyya’s student Imam Ibn al-Qayyim also narrates the permissibility of using Ta’wizes from a number of salafs including the great Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (Allah have mercy on him). Thereafter Ibn al-Qayyim himself quotes various Ta’wizes (Zad al-Ma’ad, 3/180).
In view of the foregoing, it becomes clear that generally using of Ta’wizes is not something that is impermissible or Shirk. However, it is necessary that the above mentioned conditions are met.
In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,
Hanging or wearing of amulets (ta’wiz) is normally permissible for protection or healing provided certain conditions are met:
1) That they consist of the names of Allah Almighty or his attributes;
2) That they are in Arabic;
3) That they do not consist of anything that is disbelief (kufr);
4) The user does not believe the words have any affect in themselves, but are empowered to do so by Allah Most High.
It is narrated from Amr ibn Shu’ayb, from his father, from his grandfather (Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas (Allah be pleased with them all), that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to teach them (the Sahabas) for fearful situations the following words:
“I seek refuge in Allah’s perfect words from His wrath, the evil of his servants, the whispered insinuations of devils, and that they come to me”
Abd Allah ibn Amr used to teach these words to those of his sons who had reached the age of reason, and used to write them and hang them upon those who had not reached the age of reason (narrated by Abu Dawud & Tirmidhi, and Tirmidhi classed it as an authentic narration).
In the Musannaf of Imam Abu Bakr ibn Abi Shayba, the permissibility of hanging Ta’wizes is reported from many of the Companions and early Muslims (Salaf), including: Sa’id ibn al-Musayyab, Ata', Mujahid, Abd Allah ibn Amr, Ibn Sirin, Ubaydullah ibn Abd Allah ibn Umar, and others (Allah be well pleased with them all). [See: al-Musannaf, 5.439]. Due to the above, most of the scholars have declared the using of amulets (ta’wiz) permissible as long as the above conditions are met. It is similar to using medication which is permissible and not against the concept of reliance in Allah (tawakkul) or monotheism Tawhid. However, it is not permissible to regard the Ta’wiz to be effective in it self, just as it is not permissible to regard medicines to be effective in them selves.
As for that which is reported from some, including Ibn Mas’ud (Allah be pleased with him), that hanging Ta’wizes is shirk, this is understood to mean those Ta’wizes that resemble the one’s used in the days of ignorance (jahiliyya), or if used thinking that it is the ta’wiz itself that cures or protects, not Allah, or if it contains impermissible invocations or one’s whose meaning is not known.
Imam Ibn Taymiyya (Allah have mercy on him) writes in his Fatawa:
“It is permissible for an ill or troubled person, that certain verses from the Qur’an are written with pure ink, then it is washed and given to the ill to drink. Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have mentioned a certain Dua that should be written and placed close to the woman who is experiencing hard labour at the time of giving birth.
Sayyiduna Ali (Allah be pleased with him) says: This Dua should be written and tied to the arm of the woman. We have experienced that there is nothing more amazing than this” (Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya, 19/65). Imam Ibn Taymiyya’s student Imam Ibn al-Qayyim also narrates the permissibility of using Ta’wizes from a number of salafs including the great Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (Allah have mercy on him). Thereafter Ibn al-Qayyim himself quotes various Ta’wizes (Zad al-Ma’ad, 3/180).
In view of the foregoing, it becomes clear that generally using of Ta’wizes is not something that is impermissible or Shirk. However, it is necessary that the above mentioned conditions are met.
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The only supernatural being the quran talks about is Allah. Only and only Allah has supernatural power.
Those who attribute these properties to others are simply put ignorant people. Their this ignorance is then exploited to the extreme.
The quran has been mistranslated and misinterpreted out of ignorance by some and out of sense of exploitation by others and out of fear of reprisals by yet others.
There are two ways to attack this stupidity.
1)look at the root meanings of the words used in the quran and their derivatives.
2)Look at logical and rational arguments based on self evident fact against these ideas.
Once a person goes through this exercise, he gets to the bottom of all this.
The make beliefs superstition should disappear after that.
The scholars like dr zakir should know better and perhaps he does but out of fear he is may be towing the line.
If miracles and magic and jins and malaaika and other make beliefs were real as people assume them to be, would we not be living in a magical world? All these inventions that humanity has today, what would be the point of all this?
Any mullah or magician is challenged by scientist to prove his super natural claim and offered everything.
One has to look at it why FIRAON was a king of egypt instead of his mullahs and magicians?
How is it that a king or a ruler is always the most powerful man in his country? Why not a mullah or a magician?
Can anyone be more stupid than that to not be able to think this much for oneself? Why we need weapons to fight each other when we believe we have people amongst us who can do magic?
Please learn to put two and two together and stop attributing to the quran the nonsense. The quran explain how Allah makes rain fall down ie the quran explains rain cycle, what for? So that people who talk nonsense become aware of what is actually happening.
The last two surahs are antidote for superstition and not that magic is something real. They explain what these things are so that people understand just like rain cycle. Look for proper interpretations of the verses of the quran and the ahadith.
Islam is not a mumbo jumbo please open the quran and learn it properly. It is highly educational. It is full of evidence based arguments. Not a single verse in the quran is of superstitious nature.
Don't take the words of ignorant mullahs rather learn what is right and educate mullahs as well. It is stupid if you are better educated and yet you follow ignorant people. If this is how we going to use our education then we will never come out of stupidity.
Better confront fear of unknown by trying to know it. Make beliefs have ruin our great nation. How could we be so stupid? May be this is the reason we have been removed from study of the quran so that people who wanted to exploit us have free reign to do so without being questioned about it.
By giving mullahs the monopoly on islam we have cut our own hands may be.
Is there not a single good enough mullah among us who is good enough to have miraculous powers that we have stories of in books these people push in public? Why is it that none of them is good enough to be a ruler even in a single muslim country? All messengers of Allah were rulers of their people. It is because mullahs magical baby story islam is nonsense. We should wake up and not buy silly stories and sit idle doing nothing waiting for Allah to sent some body to take us out of our problems miraculously.
The quran is full of evidence based rational arguments instead of stories of miracles and magic.
It is time educated people read what isolated scholars of islam have been saying through out time. They were against the kings and their mullahs and that was the reason they were isolated. They had the proper understanding of the quran and the hadith.
If muslim continue believing in nonsense instead of finding out islam from the quran in light of reality of this world based on evidence and rationality then they are as good as not being there. In fact such muslims are abstacle in the path of islam because they are dishing out nonsense as islam in the name of islam.
It is time we were honest to ourselves and sincere to what is in the quran.
May Allah help us guide each other towards what is right and good for ourselves and the mankind.
Those who attribute these properties to others are simply put ignorant people. Their this ignorance is then exploited to the extreme.
The quran has been mistranslated and misinterpreted out of ignorance by some and out of sense of exploitation by others and out of fear of reprisals by yet others.
There are two ways to attack this stupidity.
1)look at the root meanings of the words used in the quran and their derivatives.
2)Look at logical and rational arguments based on self evident fact against these ideas.
Once a person goes through this exercise, he gets to the bottom of all this.
The make beliefs superstition should disappear after that.
The scholars like dr zakir should know better and perhaps he does but out of fear he is may be towing the line.
If miracles and magic and jins and malaaika and other make beliefs were real as people assume them to be, would we not be living in a magical world? All these inventions that humanity has today, what would be the point of all this?
Any mullah or magician is challenged by scientist to prove his super natural claim and offered everything.
One has to look at it why FIRAON was a king of egypt instead of his mullahs and magicians?
How is it that a king or a ruler is always the most powerful man in his country? Why not a mullah or a magician?
Can anyone be more stupid than that to not be able to think this much for oneself? Why we need weapons to fight each other when we believe we have people amongst us who can do magic?
Please learn to put two and two together and stop attributing to the quran the nonsense. The quran explain how Allah makes rain fall down ie the quran explains rain cycle, what for? So that people who talk nonsense become aware of what is actually happening.
The last two surahs are antidote for superstition and not that magic is something real. They explain what these things are so that people understand just like rain cycle. Look for proper interpretations of the verses of the quran and the ahadith.
Islam is not a mumbo jumbo please open the quran and learn it properly. It is highly educational. It is full of evidence based arguments. Not a single verse in the quran is of superstitious nature.
Don't take the words of ignorant mullahs rather learn what is right and educate mullahs as well. It is stupid if you are better educated and yet you follow ignorant people. If this is how we going to use our education then we will never come out of stupidity.
Better confront fear of unknown by trying to know it. Make beliefs have ruin our great nation. How could we be so stupid? May be this is the reason we have been removed from study of the quran so that people who wanted to exploit us have free reign to do so without being questioned about it.
By giving mullahs the monopoly on islam we have cut our own hands may be.
Is there not a single good enough mullah among us who is good enough to have miraculous powers that we have stories of in books these people push in public? Why is it that none of them is good enough to be a ruler even in a single muslim country? All messengers of Allah were rulers of their people. It is because mullahs magical baby story islam is nonsense. We should wake up and not buy silly stories and sit idle doing nothing waiting for Allah to sent some body to take us out of our problems miraculously.
The quran is full of evidence based rational arguments instead of stories of miracles and magic.
It is time educated people read what isolated scholars of islam have been saying through out time. They were against the kings and their mullahs and that was the reason they were isolated. They had the proper understanding of the quran and the hadith.
If muslim continue believing in nonsense instead of finding out islam from the quran in light of reality of this world based on evidence and rationality then they are as good as not being there. In fact such muslims are abstacle in the path of islam because they are dishing out nonsense as islam in the name of islam.
It is time we were honest to ourselves and sincere to what is in the quran.
May Allah help us guide each other towards what is right and good for ourselves and the mankind.
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Dear Veila Mast, Allah has given us the brain, the five senses and our life experience in the real world is the real evidence. The rest is information by a 3rd person and if it contradicts rationality then it is nonsense.
Miracles and magic and other superstitious beliefs have nothing to do with the quran and the hadith.
Islam came to bring people out of darkness of ignorance and in to light of knowledge.
regards and all the best.
Dear cheeko, the quran is sent for a purpose and that purpose is not magical cure of anything. Many people paid the price with their lives. If lives had to be sacrificed than which disease are you talking about that the quran cures?
It was disease of make beliefs and to put people into revolutionary mindset and attitude to stop exploitation of weak people by the rich and powerful.
The quran is sent to stop absolute imperialism as well as economic imperialism and reinstate moral imperialism.
This is real cure the quran and the hadith talk about. There is no miracle and magic in that but knowledge, plan and execution.
regards and all the best.
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Veila Mast
Senator (1k+ posts)
Mughal Sahab,
I couldn't make out what you really want to criticise?
You have objection about Taweez or you have objection about PEOPLE CHARGING MONEY FOR TAWEEZ?
Please Specify.
Secondly, about cure, you must be aware of fact that first Surat in Quran is Surat Fatiha which has other names as well including Shifa (Cure).
So cure of diseases is PURPOSE of Quran as elaborated by FIRST SURAT of Quran.
I hope you get my point.
On looking back at my posts I could not find a single line where I encouraged any form of black magic or superstition. Can you point it out where I said that. Certainly Quran has healing power both spiritually and mentally and physically. For example black magic was casted upon the Last Messenger peace be upon him. He recieved the orders to recite Surah Falaq and Surah Nas to cure it. Do you remember the symptoms He had due to the black magic that was casted upon Him. For that kindly update your knowledge again. There are hundreds of forms of black magic ranging from causing someone a brief mental block leading to harm upto causing a fatal disease leading to death. Now tell me doesnt the Quranic verses help in treating the diseases caused by black magic. I do hope that you dont deny that black magic is a form of satanic guided ritual and do hope that you agree that it exists. If not then let me know and I will show you that from Quran. Also if you dont believe that balck magic can cause diseases and other bodily and mental harms then I will give you some authentic information about that as well. Also if you dont believe that there is a creation called jinn who can be good and bad and the bad ones can cause mischief and evil then do let me know.
Say: I seek refuge with the Lord of the Dawn [113:1]
From the mischief of created things [113:2]
From the mischief of Darkness as it overspreads [113:3]
From the mischief of those who practise secret arts [113:4]
And from the mischief of the envious one as he practises envy [113:5]
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Dear Faiza,
I dont have any knowledge about numerology but the comparison of Arabic numerology and Kabalah was a weak attempt to prove ones point. In the video below you can see a yahoodi offering his prayers which externally resembles a Muslim namaz. Does this also mean that namaz is wrong. So again I would repeat that I dont have any knowledge about Arabic numerology but the comparison with some other religions beliefs is a weak try. Kindly watch the full video below.
I dont have any knowledge about numerology but the comparison of Arabic numerology and Kabalah was a weak attempt to prove ones point. In the video below you can see a yahoodi offering his prayers which externally resembles a Muslim namaz. Does this also mean that namaz is wrong. So again I would repeat that I dont have any knowledge about Arabic numerology but the comparison with some other religions beliefs is a weak try. Kindly watch the full video below.
Thank you dear Veila Mast for the response.
I think we are getting side tracked into wrong sense of disease and cure.
Let us go back and see what was always wrong with humanity. It is that wrong the quran is supposed to guide us put right.
This wrong is ideological, political, social, cultural and economic etc. When these thing are not right people get problems and become mentally ill as well due to worries. The cure is not going to mullahs for baseless treatments but to be strong organize and fight back to put things right so that these problem are cured.
The question is why Allah sent messengers and what the messengers do? Allah sent messengers to get people out of their stupidity and nonsense and get real. Not to go to their priests for magical solutions of their real world problems. They are told to get tough and fight if you have to, to put things right.
One needs to read the stories of the prophets in the quran critically to make sense of them.
1)Noah took his people and set up the divine order elsewhere.
2)Abraham took his people and set up the divine order elsewhere.
3)Moses took his people and set up divine order elsewhere.
4)The final divine messenger did the same thing took his people and set up divine order in madinah.
Islam is divine system that is what the quran is all about ie for removing peoples' problems by establishing the divine order.
It has nothing to do with superstition and make beliefs of people.
regards and all the best.
Dear Mughal,
There is no disagreement that Quran is a guidance for the mankind. What you are missing is that once a person is guided then he comes into the group of believers. The believers are those people who have been guided. The word for believers in Quran is Momineen. Kindly read Ayat 17:82 to understand that the word Shifa is used which means healing and the word Momineen is used for believers.
And We reveal of the Qur'an that which is a healing[Shifa] and a mercy[Rahmatun] for believers[Momineen] though it increase the evil-doers in naught save ruin [17:82]
I will repeat again that a believer is already a guided person. The above Ayat is telling us that Quran has healing and mercy for Momineen[believers]. But there is no healing or mercy for disbelievers. So it actually also points out that only believers will benefit from the healing and mercy. Its upto you to decide who is getting healed from Quran and who is a believer and who is a disbeliever.
There is no disagreement that Quran is a guidance for the mankind. What you are missing is that once a person is guided then he comes into the group of believers. The believers are those people who have been guided. The word for believers in Quran is Momineen. Kindly read Ayat 17:82 to understand that the word Shifa is used which means healing and the word Momineen is used for believers.
And We reveal of the Qur'an that which is a healing[Shifa] and a mercy[Rahmatun] for believers[Momineen] though it increase the evil-doers in naught save ruin [17:82]
I will repeat again that a believer is already a guided person. The above Ayat is telling us that Quran has healing and mercy for Momineen[believers]. But there is no healing or mercy for disbelievers. So it actually also points out that only believers will benefit from the healing and mercy. Its upto you to decide who is getting healed from Quran and who is a believer and who is a disbeliever.
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Veila Mast
Senator (1k+ posts)
Mughal Sahab,
Sir, You have opened new front now, we were talking about permissibility of Taweez.
That's it.
If you don't believe in it that's your own accord but declaring it UNISLAMIC should be supported by proper references.
Please read reply 3, I asked couple of question, help me to understand it.
Secondly, you mentioned Islam being ideological, socio, economic model where messangers were sent to get people out of stupidity.
So you mean it Taweez are stupidity, Am I right?
I mentioned Surat Fatiha in my answer to you, that time was it's name, now I want to point to its last verses.
[Fatihah 1:5] Guide us on the Straight Path.
[Fatihah 1:6] The path of those whom You have favoured -
[Fatihah 1:7] Not the path of those who earned Your anger - nor of those who are astray.
Taweez are testified by Auliya and Saliheen.
While you may debate it's expolitation by some money oriented deceit in name of muslims.
But try to understand, we are discussing principle here.
Finally, you mentioned messangers taking people elsewhere, I just want to ask:
Did Hazrat Nooh Alaih Salam come back after drying?
Did Hazrat Moosa Alaih Salam left Egypt back to Jerusulum?
Did Rasool Allah Sal Lallah o Wasalam come back to Makkah?
I hope you got my point.
Thank you dear Cheeko for responding. I do not agree that anyone ever had any supernatural power to overcome any prophet of Allah let alone the last of the divine messengers. Only and only Allah has the supernatural power and that is because he is supernatural being.
The prophets of Allah are mentally fit people and most reasonable and rational of all human beings of their time. The message they bring is absolutely rational and supernatural beyond human creation. This is their strength and what they rely upon. People may harm and kill divine prophets but they cannot overcome them by reasoning and evidence based arguments.
No prophet was ever sent to prove his divine appointment by any other means than divine message.
Word SAHR in the quran is used for deception and conspiracy. If you are aware of how world works then you will have no problem understanding what people do and how they do it or why they do it.
These verses are part of 16/98. when you recite the quran SEEK refuge in Allah from satan the rejected.
This verse does not mean before you get ready to read the quran recite this verse ie TAOOZ. It means when you read the quran you should read it for the stated purpose. And what is that purpose?
It is to seek knowledge from the quran which protects against harm. Look at 16/98 and see the context. Allah tells what is wickedness and then comes seek refuge verse.
Likewise the QULs are not about magic but conspiracies and secret plots people make against each other for political, social, cultural or economic etc reason.
The quran is telling us these thing people do so take care that you are not harmed by their these plots. All prophet were opposed by wicked leadership of their time. The quran mentions chiefs of people of noah, as well as chiefs of people of egypt and so are mentions chiefs of makkah etc. These people wanted to bring down prophets and their followers so Allah warned his people to be careful.
One needs to look at situations and circumstances the prophets and their people faced and what their enemies were busy doing. If one understands this then quran will make perfect sense.
The quran is discussing power game between people to control land and resources. It condemns absolute imperialism whereby one enslaves all others. It likewise condemns economic imperialism whereby some people enslave others.
It offer alternative moral or islamic imperialism where all rules are same for everyone and people are told to live like a single family searching, exploring, creating, sharing and caring etc.
There is no verse in the quran that say anyone has any supernatural power other than Allah or that Allah has given anyone any supernatural power.
The context of the quran is clear if one could see why the quran was revealed. The reason is same why the other books were sent by Allah to his other messengers.
Islam is not a personality cult but a rational explanation of universe in sense of its origin, how it was brought about and why.
regards and all the best.
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Dear Mughal,
I am amazed at your notion of not believing in miracles. Can you explain me the following incident told in Quran.
Go, take this shirt, and do you cast it on my father’s face, and he shall recover his sight; then bring me your family altogether [12: 93]
Another point of yours which is puzzling is that you dont believe in black magic. Is it true or am I getting it wrong.
They followed what the evil ones gave out (falsely) against the power of Solomon: the blasphemers Were, not Solomon, but the evil ones, teaching men Magic, and such things as came down at babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone (Such things) without saying: "We are only for trial; so do not blaspheme." They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife. But they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's permission. And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew [2:102]
I was explaining you about the spiritual healing from Quran and it has also been proven scientifically.
It is medically asserted that tension and worries lead to a deficiency in the immunity of human body in the face of all diseases. The more the psychological and nervous condition of man is not stable, the more the chances to face the invasion of diseases. Hence, the explanation becomes crystal clear- the Quran is a healing for bodies as it is a healing for the souls and spirits. The Quran regains the balance of nervous and psychological systems for the believer who constantly recites and listens to it, and contemplates its meaning, thus leading to increase his bodily immunity and safeguard his internal defenses. Man becomes in constant safety against the penetration of diseases. With the Quranic prevailing luminous powers, all microbes and germs attacking the body in consecutive waves are resisted.
I am amazed at your notion of not believing in miracles. Can you explain me the following incident told in Quran.
Go, take this shirt, and do you cast it on my father’s face, and he shall recover his sight; then bring me your family altogether [12: 93]
Another point of yours which is puzzling is that you dont believe in black magic. Is it true or am I getting it wrong.
They followed what the evil ones gave out (falsely) against the power of Solomon: the blasphemers Were, not Solomon, but the evil ones, teaching men Magic, and such things as came down at babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone (Such things) without saying: "We are only for trial; so do not blaspheme." They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife. But they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's permission. And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew [2:102]
I was explaining you about the spiritual healing from Quran and it has also been proven scientifically.
It is medically asserted that tension and worries lead to a deficiency in the immunity of human body in the face of all diseases. The more the psychological and nervous condition of man is not stable, the more the chances to face the invasion of diseases. Hence, the explanation becomes crystal clear- the Quran is a healing for bodies as it is a healing for the souls and spirits. The Quran regains the balance of nervous and psychological systems for the believer who constantly recites and listens to it, and contemplates its meaning, thus leading to increase his bodily immunity and safeguard his internal defenses. Man becomes in constant safety against the penetration of diseases. With the Quranic prevailing luminous powers, all microbes and germs attacking the body in consecutive waves are resisted.
Dr. Ahmed El Kadi conducted a research in USA on three groups of Americans who do not speak or understand Arabic. He connected them to instruments for measuring biomedical functions such as blood pressure, heart pulses, EEG, myography, and sweat test. He recited some Quranic verses for the first group, and ordinary sentences of everyday Arabic for the second group while the third group was a control group resting in a state of relaxation. He found that the physiological changes for the first group listening to Quran recitation have more significantly improved than the other two groups (These results were announced by the Islamic Organization for Medical Science).
.......وَلَوْ أَنَّ قُرْآنًا سُيِّرَتْ بِهِ الْجِبَالُ أَوْ قُطِّعَتْ بِهِ الْأَرْضُ أَوْ كُلِّمَ بِهِ الْمَوْتَىٰ ۗ بَلْ لِلَّهِ الْأَمْرُ جَمِيعًا. ۗ
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Had it been possible for a Lecture to cause the mountains to move,
or the earth to be torn asunder, or the dead to speak,
(this Qur'an would have done so). Nay, but Allah's is the whole command.[/SIZE]
.......
Therefore whole concept of Taweez shatters down.
If Allah wishes to give you some good, none can withhold it and if
He wishes to afflict you with something, there is no one who can stop it.
It is just matter of conviction and faith.
This Taweez is just commercial business.
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(13:31
Had it been possible for a Lecture to cause the mountains to move,
or the earth to be torn asunder, or the dead to speak,
(this Qur'an would have done so). Nay, but Allah's is the whole command.[/SIZE]
.......
Therefore whole concept of Taweez shatters down.
If Allah wishes to give you some good, none can withhold it and if
He wishes to afflict you with something, there is no one who can stop it.
It is just matter of conviction and faith.
This Taweez is just commercial business.
Thank you dear Cheeko for bringing up the verse 17/82 for discussion.
This verse has exactly the same overall context in the quran as already explained.
The process of revelation its understanding and implementation involves various stages till the whole thing completes. So first the prophet receives the message, then he tells it to people, then some accept the message, then it is time to come together and form a group. After that it is time to organize people and start a movement, then spread the movement for more and more support and then when you have strength create your own set up. Once set up is complete then it is time to maintain it and improve upon it so that it does not end up destroyed.
So as you can see the work of acceptors of islam does not end at accepting islam but continues in various forms. The ultimate objective is to give people peace and security thereby.
The quran is SHAFAA in this context for all muslims and nonmuslims but only muslims could benefit because nonmuslims are not going to implement it and therefore they will remain in painful suffering due to the system they have in place.
This verse is not about shifaa in the sense you are trying to tell me. If by an accident my hand is chopped off it cannot be cured by reading the quran and blowing on my hand.
According to the quran if I want my hand cured then for that I must have knowledge as to how biological organism work and if there is a way may be a way could be discovered whereby my hand could be put back together again.
Genetic engineering and biomechanical engineering and tissue or membrane or organ growth could have the answer. The quran is guiding us to ways that are real not make beliefs.
Books written by many people are just to make money or to have power over minds of people.
Don't get me wrong I am all for peeri mureedi but not against the quran and the authentic ahadith.
I believe in divine miracles and karamaat but not the way most mullahs and peers and mureed believe them. That I think is nonsense and anti islam and anti quran and hadith.
In fact many go as far as may be committing kufar but that is for Allah to be their judge not for me to declare anyone kaafir.
It is better that we read whole of the quran and each surah in its own context before we read any ahadith. If we are sure as regard the quran as to what its message is then we can turn to ahadith for any further information that we may need.
Ulema and saints can only be those who are well verses both in the message of the quran and the knowledge about the universe as to its origin, evolution and purpose. All other are just message carrier and we should not be calling them with very long list of ALQAAB.
I hope this explains my stand point on the issue.
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