@Mughal,
Please define supernatural as I believe we should understand your concept.
Secondly, again you are mixing Taweez and Magic, you are mixing Taweez with Fraud.
For your attention we are here discussing principle, not it's application.
Who has told you Taweez are there to distract people from Quran?
Don't hold responsible us for your own assumptions.
Who has told you TAWEEZ are ONLY solution to EVERY LITTLE PROBLEM?
I am not here to advocate any deceit but PRINCIPLE.
Mind the difference!
Example:
Principle: Kiya Islam Main Siyasat Main Hissa Laina Jaiz Hai
Answer: Yes
Application: Khud Hee Andaza Kar Lain Aaj Kal Dhoka, Fareeb, Makari Ko Siyasat Kahtay Hain
Conclusion: Kissi Kaam Ka Ghalat Isteemal Say Us Kay Ghalat Isteemal Pah Sawal Ho Sakta Hai Magar Asal Bar Karar Rahay Gi
Dear Veila Mast, the universe in which we live exists and works. These two facts are indisputable facts. Its origin and its purpose are also two things that people dispute.
No one can dispute that universe works in a certain way ie it works according to cause and effect laws both at macro level and micro level.
Whatever humanity so far has been able to discover, it clearly proves beyond a shadow of doubt that it functions on basis of cause and effect.
Even when theists and atheists debate, theists bring in cause and effect law to try to prove that creator exists.
The only dispute between them is whether the universe exists because it was created or is it that it always existed and functioned that way.
Now if we bring in idea of God sitting there playing with universe like a kid plays with his toys then cause and effect law no longer remains valid argument, but then that is what is discovered when observation is taken into account that universe does not behave as a kid's play thing.
This is why either God exists and works according to some purpose and plan or he does not exist.
The theist at that point accept that God exists and he created things certain way to works according to a set plan to some defined end.
This is why we must accept laws of nature and law of cause and effect.
The point here is that nobody knows the universe better than people who observe it. It would make absolutely no sense to think that people who study something can be wrong but people who know absolutely nothing about the universe know it better.
It is for this reason we cannot accept what uneducated mullahs may say about things they nothing about.
The proper understanding of divine revelation depends on knowledge of the universe because it is like an instruction manual of a machine. Without having sense of machine the instruction manual will make little sense.
If Allah created the universe and and he sent the message then unless one is reasonably familiar with the both of these things one is not going to be really knowledgeable person.
To bring both sides together, we cannot discard what the scientists claim with evidence rather it is wiser to interpret the scripture in light of that and then take it from there.
We all claim there is order in the universe ie it is orderly and that negates random happenings ie accidents or chance events.
It is therefore obvious that if anything happens just anyhow without any natural cause behind it then the whole idea of understanding the universe falls apart. It becomes no a sensibly planned universe but a child's play ground.
It is because the universe is orderly that predictions are possible by way of trends. This is how the laws of nature are discovered and the same can be said about law of cause and effect.
The quran is full of arguments based on these ideas, so if we then go against all this then it also proves the quran is not right. Now if the scientists are not right and the quran is not right then who is right? Not the man in the village called mawlana sahib by the illiterate villagers, who tells them make beliefs stories to make them happy. The quran explains nature eg how Allah makes things grow from the earth. how rain cycle takes place and calls people to reason things and be rational. If we concentrate on all this, Allah is telling us very clearly that the quran is true because it is telling us things the way they are as self evident.
The quran is trying to prove its divine origin to us by using the natural universe as its evidence. How can then we turn round and say that the universe and how it works is all rubbish but the quran is true? Allah is telling us be sensible by removing mysteries for us and we are busy trying to mystify all that is clear cut self evident to us.
Allah's appealing to people to be sensible only makes sense if then we rely on our sense and that Allah proves his point by of sensible things. This is why we must not go for mumbo jumbo and claim that as true islam.
As for supernatural magical events attributed to anyone, one needs to see them in this light and then see if they make any sense. One will come to realise that they do not make any sense in light of what has been explained.
In grand scheme of things miracles attributed to prophets and saints make no sense.
What makes sense is revelation of Allah to his messengers and prophets for guidance of mankind and his inspiration of thoughts and ideas to ordinary people to motivate them and through them others.
The best thing muslims can do is study the quran critically by trying to make sense of surahs in it.
It is very bad practice amongst mullahs to read a verse then take words and phrases and run with them like headless chickens. The meanings of words are not important if one does not end up with a proper context that makes sense.
One must look at verses in a way that does not cause contradictions within the quran and that any interpretation one takes must not be against self evident facts.
I have explained these things in detail elsewhere on this forum. The moment a witness is found to contradict himself, we know he is lying. The same happens when one contradicts any self evident facts.
So long as one interprets the quran without causing such contradictions one is on the safe ground. Even if his interpretation is not exactly right it is still valid enough because it cannot be proven wrong.
So keeping the quran right is better than trying to prove our make beliefs from the quran thereby proving the quran wrong as well as ourselves.
Allah has supernatural power that is why he created the universe and he created it the way we see it and he made it work the way we observe it. This is the quranic concept of natural and supernatural as I understand it from the quran and nature of the universe.
The stories of the prophets and their people told in the quran are about guiding people for establishing divine constitution and maintaining it. They are told what constitution is, how they should establish it and maintain it for the good of mankind.
There is nothing in the quran about any prophet or his people sitting in a corner writing away taweez for each other to solve their daily life problems. This whole concept seems outside the quranic teaching. This is why all so called ahadith would seem made up that take us in that direction because they do not seem to be based on the quran.
The quran is not about playing with words but about concepts and streams of ideas based on the concept of the quran being a nation's constitution. Then if any reports follow those concepts and ideas they can be clearly seen to be based upon the quran and therefore can be valid.
Just taking any word from the quran and then getting a whole bundle of ahadith about it to try and twist it in a direction that has nothing to with the quran as a constitution of muslim ummah should ring alarm bells.
I hope this explains the issue a bit more from my point of view but please stick to what you feel comfortable with.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?50593-Javed-Ghamdi-Salman-Taseer-Asma-Jhangir-Khuda-ka-khof-karen-plz!-Nice-Column-by-Orya-Maqbool-Jan/page5
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?50607-Pakistan-religion-secularism-amp-tribalism
May Allah guide us all to his path that is right as well as good for the mankind.
regards and all the best.
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