Brother you will know the reality when you come out of the circle of Pakistani Islam. Do you know the term " Ajhalal Jaheleel"? Both the followers of all Ahadeeth, kahani shareef and so called Quranists are blind and ignorant followers of their cults. They don't know Arabic and they choose their "haadi" according to their taste. Liberal/Moderate so called educated will resort to parvezi sort of trash while paindoos will start sat tan se Juda wali pain de seri kahaniyan..Deen is beyond the comprehension of juhalaa'
Sister saleema , JazakAllah Khair for sharing your thoughts. MashAllah, you are very knowledgeable. You raise a valid concern — there is indeed a lot of noise, extremism, and ignorance online today. But with full respect, I feel it’s important to clarify something that may not be apparent at first glance.
You mentioned that both Hadith followers and Quranists are blindly following cults. But what we are dealing with here — specifically in this thread —
is not just about two extremes yelling at each other. This is something much more calculated.
Citizen X and Wake up Pak are not just “average Muslims from different backgrounds.”
They are part of a well-known online trend — often referred to as
Quranism — which systematically:
- Rejects the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH)
- Dismisses all Hadith literature entirely
- Questions even basic Islamic rituals like Salat, Hajj, Zakat
- And does so using mockery, sarcasm, and misinterpretation of Qur'anic verses
You’ll notice a pattern: they frequently cite
fringe websites, share
misleading arguments, and speak with unwarranted authority — all while
hiding behind anonymous usernames. But perhaps more telling is how they
consistently back each other, even when their claims are clearly weak, sarcastic, or outright misleading. That’s not coincidence — that’s a
coordinated tactic.
For instance, just look at the
posting history of
Citizen X (
see here) and
Wake up Pak (
see here). You’ll see a
long trail of posts pushing Quranist narratives, YouTube links, and articles — all under the guise of “reform” and “reason.”
And you’ll often find them
defending each other and reinforcing the same ideology — sometimes even replying in tandem. This isn’t isolated — it’s recurring and strategic.
More interestingly, they
present themselves as ardent PTI supporters, likely because they’re well aware that the
owner (Adeel ) and moderators of siasat.pk are themselves PTI-aligned. This way, they
play it safe, operate freely, and avoid moderation — all under the labels of “free speech,” “intellectual honesty,” and “independent thinking.”
But make no mistake — this is not about diversity of thought. This is about
infiltrating and using a high-traffic platform frequented by people from Pakistan — a Muslim-majority country — and its global diaspora, including its youth, to push a dismantling agenda — all
while wearing the cloak of mainstream acceptability.
And this is exactly why I wrote the thread “The Quranist Playbook Exposed: How Quran-Only Claims Are Used to Strip Islam of Its Core.”
It
wasn’t written in anger or emotion. It was written to
give clarity to Muslims — especially our youth — who might be silently reading and getting confused by the way these individuals present themselves as enlightened reformers.
So when I respond to people like
Citizen X or
Wake up Pak , I’m not defending blind tradition or “kahani shareef.”
I’m defending the
legacy of the Prophet (PBUH), the consensus of the Ummah, and the structure that has preserved Islam for 1400+ years.
Let me also say this: They are not here to debate in good faith. They are here to dominate space, control the narrative, and flood platforms like this with their ideology.
Citizen X or
Wake up Pak are not just users sharing different views. They are part of an
online movement that thrives on exploiting popular forums like this — and they do it under the radar.
- They pose as enlightened thinkers
- They align with popular ideologies like PTI or nationalism to stay in the good books of admins and mods
- They never reveal real identities, credentials, or affiliations — just slogans, sarcasm, and pseudoscience
- And most importantly, they scratch each other’s backs constantly to reinforce their own arguments, no matter how baseless
That’s not healthy disagreement. That’s coordinated propaganda.
And sadly, because siasat.pk is a popular platform, they exploit its traffic to
get their anti-Sunnah content indexed in Google. It’s SEO and agenda — not sincerity or scholarship.
You’re absolutely right that the deen is deeper than cultural noise. But what these individuals are doing isn’t reform — it’s
strategic dismantling of Islam from the inside.
I hope that helps explain the context a bit better, and thank you again for raising an important voice of concern. May Allah increase us all in knowledge, sincerity, and unity.
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